---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/31/07: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:54 AM - Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (icrashrc) 2. 04:58 AM - Re: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (rap@isp.com) 3. 06:00 AM - Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? (knowvne@AOL.COM) 4. 06:03 AM - Re: Winter flying (need skis) (olendorf) 5. 07:24 AM - Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? (Herb Gayheart) 6. 07:45 AM - Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? (Herb Gayheart) 7. 07:55 AM - Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? (David Lehman) 8. 08:34 AM - Re: Winter flying (need skis) (jim) 9. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (Vic Peters) 10. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 11. 09:39 AM - Re: Speaking of fabric (R. Hankins) 12. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (David Lehman) 13. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (knowvne@aol.com) 14. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (J.D. Stewart) 15. 11:49 AM - Re: La Jolla/glider port (GeoR38@aol.com) 16. 12:03 PM - Re: Kolb Road (David Kulp) 17. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (Jim Dunn) 18. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (John Hauck) 19. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (David Lehman) 20. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (J.D. Stewart) 21. 03:26 PM - Re: Fish Scales....Floor pan first....Then? (planecrazzzy) 22. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Fish Scales....Floor pan first....Then? (David Lehman) 23. 05:05 PM - q (Russ Kinne) 24. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 25. 05:30 PM - Re: q (Larry Bourne) 26. 05:35 PM - Re: q (david@davidlehman.net) 27. 05:39 PM - engine turning (Bob Noyer) 28. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Winter flying (need skis) (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 29. 06:05 PM - Re: q (Richard Girard) 30. 08:33 PM - Ultralight flying (Mike Welch) 31. 08:49 PM - Fabric weight (Mike Welch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:48 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs From: "icrashrc" No mention of changing the wing incidence on my plane either. -------- Scott do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91771#91771 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs From: rap@isp.com > --> I got the paper work with my steel gear legs that recomended changing the wing incidence. I did not do it. I will see how it flys fist. I got my call back from the FAA for the inspection end of FEB. Will have two inspectors they will be using it as a training leason for the new guy. Kolb-List message posted by: "icrashrc" > > No mention of changing the wing incidence on my plane either. > > -------- > Scott > > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91771#91771 > > ----------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? From: knowvne@AOL.COM My best guess is he placed tanks in the wings or maybe uses some sort of seat tank ... Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: Flycrazy8@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? Well that sure messed with the old CG didn't it HAHAHAHAHA Mark Vaughn Yes....lol.....Where is the Gas tank you suppose ?? Stephen Baxley Kolb Firefly Do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:24 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) From: "olendorf" It looks like you'll need a taller windshield before you'll need skiis. That must be COLD. :o -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91790#91790 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? From: Herb Gayheart Re: Tractor KOlb Talked to the fellow who built it some days ago.. St. Louis Area... He started with a wrecked Kolb MkII . I thought it could have been an Ultra Star? Herb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? From: Herb Gayheart guys Bill Bronson is his name..Wrote a vw col. for Experimenter mag as I recall.. I think you are correct.. seat tank? He also sells his version of half vw plans . That is a half vw on the nose.. There is a half vw on a Kolb Firefly in east tenn. Haven't talked with the fellow for a few months..His initial flights were very promising.. Likely waiting out the winter before taking to the air again..? Engine wt will likely be a bit less than a 447. 94 mm nickasil jugs. I have some ideas for a plane that I will call the "Ultra Fly" . Will use a half vw.. Parts from an Ultra Star and a Firefly.. High boom and training wheel.. :-) Herb do not archive On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:59:33 -0500 knowvne@aol.com writes: > > My best guess is he placed tanks in the wings or maybe uses some > sort > of seat tank ... > Mark Vaughn ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:13 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? Pictures here: http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-tractors/ David On 1/31/07, Herb Gayheart wrote: > > > guys > > Bill Bronson is his name..Wrote a vw col. for Experimenter mag as I > recall.. > > I think you are correct.. seat tank? He also sells his version of half > vw plans . That is a half vw on the nose.. > > There is a half vw on a Kolb Firefly in east tenn. Haven't talked > with the fellow for a few months..His initial flights were very > promising.. Likely waiting out the winter before taking to the air > again..? Engine wt will likely be a bit less than a 447. 94 mm nickasil > jugs. > > I have some ideas for a plane that I will call the "Ultra Fly" . > Will use a half vw.. Parts from an Ultra Star and a Firefly.. High > boom and training wheel.. :-) Herb > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) From: "jim" It hasn't been too cold but I haven't gone UL flying in < 20 deg F. It's no worse than snowmobiling. The hardest part is getting everything prepared. Once your sitting in the cockpit the hard part is over and the fun begins. But I definitelly need a full enclosure! Why is Ellery? How do I contact him re skis? Thanks, Jim -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91852#91852 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:17 AM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) ElleryWeld@aol.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:58 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) Jim I am the Real Ellery You need skis? what kind do you need straight skis or wheel penetrating skis? I make both and for two place and single place Planes tell me your needs Ellery do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Speaking of fabric From: "R. Hankins" Use chalk line. Snap a line to glue up to, and snap and trim the edge that you are going to be gluing down. Leave yourself enough slack that the ribs won't scallop the edge. I learned this while helping Larry Cottrell cover his firestar. When I built my firestar, I thought I was doing a better job by pulling all the slack out of the fabric as I glued. When it came time to shrink, I was unable to use much heat on the ailerons and tail surfaces without bending the tubes. We left more slack on Larrys and it came out nice- tight fabric, straight tubes. After you snap your trim line, paint a thin strip of poly tack over the chalk line. This way all of the threads will stay in place after cutting and you will have a nice clean seam. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91874#91874 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:49 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) Jim... I did my first ultralight flying in '82, North of Spokane... I bought a brand new Robertson B1-RD and flew all through that first Winter... We would make a short flight, land and stand around a 55 gal. burn barrel, take another short flight, land and stand by the fire in the barrel and keep repeating the process... The guy who owned the strip kept it plowed so we could fly off the packed snow until the Spring thaw and there was too much slush/mud... Now I'm flying my Firestar with a full enclosure, wearing a snowsuit and think 32 degrees is cold... DVD do not archive On 1/31/07, jim wrote: > > > It hasn't been too cold but I haven't gone UL flying in < 20 deg F. It's > no worse than snowmobiling. The hardest part is getting everything > prepared. Once your sitting in the cockpit the hard part is over and the > fun begins. But I definitelly need a full enclosure! > > Why is Ellery? How do I contact him re skis? > > Thanks, > Jim > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) From: knowvne@aol.com REALLY! Jim How about for Trike? We fly off frozen LAKES in Northern NH... Can you send some Photos of what you've done? Thanks Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) Jim I am the Real Ellery You need skis? what kind do you need straight skis or wheel penetrating skis? I make both and for two place and single place Planes tell me your needs Ellery do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:21 AM PST US From: "J.D. Stewart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) David, I bet that's the same field I was flying out of in '85~86. I think it was about 5~8 miles North of Spokane. There were around 8 ultralights at the time, with most being tarped and parked under the trees. The runway went E-W. I also flew a B1-RD out of there (#315, blue and white). J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger e-mail list http://challenger.inebraska.com Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ Jim... I did my first ultralight flying in '82, North of Spokane... I bought a brand new Robertson B1-RD and flew all through that first Winter... We would make a short flight, land and stand around a 55 gal. burn barrel, take another short flight, land and stand by the fire in the barrel and keep repeating the process... The guy who owned the strip kept it plowed so we could fly off the packed snow until the Spring thaw and there was too much slush/mud... Now I'm flying my Firestar with a full enclosure, wearing a snowsuit and think 32 degrees is cold... DVD do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:54 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: La Jolla/glider port In a message dated 1/24/2007 12:08:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rp3420@freescale.com writes: George/Gang, I grew up in North San Diego county in a little town called Rancho Bernardo/Poway area during the 70's and 80's. Back then "Blacks Beach" was the nude bathing beach for the San Diego area. As a surfing youth, inexplicably the rip tides would suddenly and forcefully push us over to the Black Beach surf. I think I spent more time on the beach and surf then I did up on the cliffs flying RC gliders. George, one could appreciate the challenge mother nature there........I know I did......and I'm not talking about the surf, or soaring either. ;O) Tim FSII which reminds me when my wife barb and I went there 20 years or so ago, I was utterly amazed at the wonder of the winds and high altitude of the cliffs off of which people such as myself.... I considered myself as normal people then..... were willfully jumping off the cliffs seemingly into the pacific ocean. Of course they were immediately lifted before our eyes up as soon as they launched themselves, above the lip of the cliff in an august ascension that defied earthly description. It was from this joyous scene that my pioneering spirit caused me to meander to an area of the cliff that was cordoned off in fear that the cliff would take whatever was on it and deposit it abruptly 500 feet down into the ocean. My wife called out in fear that I might disappear forever before the death certificate was properly filled out, that I was on unhallowed ground, and that my life was in danger. I peered over the cliff to the ground and yelled back to her that I thought that I saw a nude man walking down the beach in a black hat only. Before I had pronounced "black hat" I felt her brushing my arm, with neck craned, asking expectantly ....."where is he?" I guess she showed her pioneering spirit too. This happened before I purchased my Kolb Firestar KX......long ago. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:39 PM PST US From: "David Kulp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Road Dennis, Tucson's pretty far from the canyon, but do you know if Kolb Rd. has anything to do with the Kolb brothers who explored the Grand Canyon and then wrote books and set up a photographer's shop virtually on the canyon wall? I have a couple of their works and a DVD about them. They were a couple of crazy guys!!! I first learned of them from a movie at the Imax Theatre on the South Rim on a 'cycle trip out there. If you haven't seen it and it's still playing, there's some incredible footage re-creating their early 20th century excursion down the Colorado River through the Canyon (before the dams); an adventure that a couple of members who didn't do well with the extreme risk, quit to try to return to civilization and were never heard from again. An ultralight was used for a lot of the film making (but I don't know if was a Kolb). The Kolb's studio is still in use as a shop and, I think, a museum. Thanks a bunch for the local insight, Dennis. Cuz says there are airplanes almost as far as you can see. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:00 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) From: "Jim Dunn" Are you guys talking about Mead, WA (70S). It's just N of Spokane WA, but the rwy goes N/S. http://www.airnav.com/airport/70S > David, I bet that's the same field I was flying out of in '85~86. I > think it was about 5~8 miles North of Spokane. There were around 8 > ultralights at the time, with most being tarped and parked under the > trees. > The runway went E-W. I also flew a B1-RD out of there (#315, blue and > white). > J.D. Stewart > UltraFun AirSports, LLC > http://www.ultrafunairsports.com > Challenger e-mail list > http://challenger.inebraska.com > Titan e-mail list > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > > > Jim... > > I did my first ultralight flying in '82, North of Spokane... I bought a > brand new Robertson B1-RD and flew all through that first Winter... We > would make a short flight, land and stand around a 55 gal. burn barrel, > take > another short flight, land and stand by the fire in the barrel and keep > repeating the process... The guy who owned the strip kept it plowed so we > could fly off the packed snow until the Spring thaw and there was too much > slush/mud... > > Now I'm flying my Firestar with a full enclosure, wearing a snowsuit and > think 32 degrees is cold... > > DVD > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:56 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) | David, I bet that's the same field I was flying out of in '85~86. I | think it was about 5~8 miles North of Spokane. | J.D. Stewart JD: That wasn't Deer Park, was it? I went through there on my 1994 flight. john h m kIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:53 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) The strip we were operating off from is now houses... It was owned by Jimmy Stanton and he kept his original design ultralight and Cessna 180 there... The strip was off from Highway 395 where it curves from North to Northwest between Spokane and Deer Park... The last time I flew in that area with my old Cessna 185, it was all homes and there wasn't any evidence of the old runway... Sorry this isn't more Kolb related... DVD do not archive On 1/31/07, Jim Dunn wrote: > > > Are you guys talking about Mead, WA (70S). It's just N of Spokane WA, but > the rwy goes N/S. > > http://www.airnav.com/airport/70S > > > > David, I bet that's the same field I was flying out of in '85~86. I > > think it was about 5~8 miles North of Spokane. There were around 8 > > ultralights at the time, with most being tarped and parked under the > > trees. > > The runway went E-W. I also flew a B1-RD out of there (#315, blue and > > white). > > J.D. Stewart > > UltraFun AirSports, LLC > > http://www.ultrafunairsports.com > > Challenger e-mail list > > http://challenger.inebraska.com > > Titan e-mail list > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > > > > > > Jim... > > > > I did my first ultralight flying in '82, North of Spokane... I bought a > > brand new Robertson B1-RD and flew all through that first Winter... We > > would make a short flight, land and stand around a 55 gal. burn barrel, > > take > > another short flight, land and stand by the fire in the barrel and keep > > repeating the process... The guy who owned the strip kept it plowed so > we > > could fly off the packed snow until the Spring thaw and there was too > much > > slush/mud... > > > > Now I'm flying my Firestar with a full enclosure, wearing a snowsuit and > > think 32 degrees is cold... > > > > DVD > > > > do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:12 PM PST US From: "J.D. Stewart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) Looking at a sectional, I would say it's LEE, a private strip near Chattaroy. J.D. > > Are you guys talking about Mead, WA (70S). It's just N of > Spokane WA, but the rwy goes N/S. > > http://www.airnav.com/airport/70S > > > David, I bet that's the same field I was flying out of > in '85~86. > > I think it was about 5~8 miles North of Spokane. There > were around 8 > > ultralights at the time, with most being tarped and parked > under the > > trees. > > The runway went E-W. I also flew a B1-RD out of there > (#315, blue and > > white). > > J.D. Stewart > > UltraFun AirSports, LLC > > http://www.ultrafunairsports.com > > Challenger e-mail list > > http://challenger.inebraska.com > > Titan e-mail list > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > > > > > > Jim... > > > > I did my first ultralight flying in '82, North of > Spokane... I bought > > a brand new Robertson B1-RD and flew all through that first > Winter... > > We would make a short flight, land and stand around a 55 gal. burn > > barrel, take another short flight, land and stand by the > fire in the > > barrel and keep repeating the process... The guy who owned > the strip > > kept it plowed so we could fly off the packed snow until the Spring > > thaw and there was too much slush/mud... > > > > Now I'm flying my Firestar with a full enclosure, wearing a > snowsuit > > and think 32 degrees is cold... > > > > DVD > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fish Scales....Floor pan first....Then? From: "planecrazzzy" Well, After looking at my Lift Struts....I've tried to polish them .... But they have to be handled so much , they get scratched up.... What hides scratches..... These things weren't easy to do because of the curve that I'm trying to go around... http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5291#5291 Gotta Fly... Mike in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91946#91946 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fish_scales__lift_struts_006_168.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fish_scales__lift_struts_008_105.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fish_scales__lift_struts_009_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:05 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fish Scales....Floor pan first....Then? Geez Mike, you must be really getting "cabin fever"!... Jaz is probobly keeping his/her distance so he/she doesn't end up "fish-scaled"... ;-) DVD do not archive On 1/31/07, planecrazzzy wrote: > > > Well, > After looking at my Lift Struts....I've tried to polish them .... > But they have to be handled so much , they get scratched up.... > > What hides scratches..... > > These things weren't easy to do because of the curve that I'm trying to go > around... > > http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5291#5291 > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:32 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Kolb-List: q About 'fish scales' -- I always heard this finishing technique called "engine turning' -- as on the cowl of the SPIRIT OF ST LOUIS and some other aircraft of that era. Anyone else remember that far back? It was a common term when I was learning machine-shop work -- do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:46 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) I have a real Full inclosure and with my heater system its really nice to go flying in the fridgid temps the only thing I dont like is pulling the plane out of the trailer and riging it up in the real cold temps, but its nice after you have made a few trips to the heater in the truck to warm up and I always let the plane get making heat before I go flying , I can wear jeans and a light coat and sometimes I wish I had taken the coat off before take off but I can controll the heat in flight so I dont mind having the coat on Ellery in Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:37 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q Yah, that's the proper term, but we know what he means and it's pretty descriptive.......prob'ly more appropriate, even. Are you back at home now, or still in my old stomping grounds ?? Turns out that Marty Montez, the "Native American Artist" who was on the List for a while a couple of years back, was in Palm Springs a couple of weeks ago, too. Nice fella. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Kinne" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: q > > About 'fish scales' -- I always heard this finishing technique called > "engine turning' -- as on the cowl of the SPIRIT OF ST LOUIS and some > other aircraft of that era. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:51 PM PST US From: david@davidlehman.net Subject: RE: Kolb-List: q Ditto... DVD Do not archive Sent from my SDA phone... -----Original Message----- From: "Russ Kinne" Sent: 1/31/2007 5:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: q About 'fish scales' -- I always heard this finishing technique called "engine turning' -- as on the cowl of the SPIRIT OF ST LOUIS and some other aircraft of that era. Anyone else remember that far back? It was a common term when I was learning machine-shop work -- do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:02 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Kolb-List: engine turning Went to a laboratory school K-12 where both boys and girls had home ec (cooking, baking, sewing!) and wood and machine shop/ foundry, as well usual college prep. And yes, it was called engine turning, and we learned and did it...think it was 11th grade for machine shop. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:34 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Winter flying (need skis) I only slide the wheels on to make it easier to drag the firestar into the trailer If anyone on the list wants measurements and or -Details email me off list I would gladly get that info to you so you can do some winter flying also Rear View of right ski with wheel Front view of left ski with wheel Left view with wheels on Left side view without wheels Pleas archive Ellery ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:10 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q Russ, Yep that's the term I've known it as. If you want to be truly arcane, it's also known as demascening. Might come in handy if you find yourself on Jeopardy. Rick On 1/31/07, Russ Kinne wrote: > > > About 'fish scales' -- I always heard this finishing technique called > "engine turning' -- as on the cowl of the SPIRIT OF ST LOUIS and some > other aircraft of that era. > Anyone else remember that far back? It was a common term when I was > learning machine-shop work -- > > do not archive > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:15 PM PST US From: "Mike Welch" Subject: Kolb-List: Ultralight flying The field you guys are referring to is Deer Park Airport. This is where I trained back in 1995 with Dan Nixon, in his Quicksilver MXII. He kept it at Andy Knapp's farm, just off Argonne Rd, north of the eastern edge of Spokane. Once in awhile we would drop in to Mead Airstrip (which wouldn't surprise me a bit if it's a housing area now). But mostly, we did touch and goes, etc. at Deer Park. They had TWO runways. The North/South runway was for regular airplanes, and the (Closed) runway that was East/West was used by the U/L crowd. Mike in Utah, formerly from N. Idaho. _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:26 PM PST US From: "Mike Welch" Subject: Kolb-List: Fabric weight The weight the Kolb's use is the 2.7 oz. "medium weight" polyfiber. 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