---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/06/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: painting (John Cooley) 2. 05:30 AM - Re: Re: Most economical cruse speed (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Most economical cruse speed (John Hauck) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: Most economical cruse speed (Ralph) 5. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: painting (J.D. Stewart) 6. 07:08 AM - Monument Valley in winter (Craig Nelson) 7. 07:11 AM - Re: such a fine day for flying (David Lehman) 8. 07:45 AM - Re: such a fine day for flying (Larry Cottrell) 9. 09:02 AM - Re: Monument Valley in winter (knowvne@aol.com) 10. 11:56 AM - Firefly project on ebay (Bob Pongracz) 11. 03:01 PM - Re: Most economical cruse speed (planecrazzzy) 12. 08:25 PM - E-LSA deadline (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:52 AM PST US From: "John Cooley" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: painting Paul, Below is a description of the process and the gentleman's thoughts on the covering systems. I'm not trying to steer anyone one way or the other, but if I have to spend a few more bucks to save a lot of time in the covering process, I think that is good trade off. The Slingshot mentioned was covered with the poly fiber process and was a Oshkosh grand champion. I'm sure he won many other awards with it too so he can make a good comparison between the two systems. I also am attaching a couple of pictures that he sent me of the Decathlon completed with the Airtech system. Another thing that is a problem here in the south is the humidity. Supposedly the Airtech system is fairly immune to blushing etc. so you don't have to add special agents to the paint to reduce blushing. Take care, John Cooley Quote: [I've covered numerous planes since the SlingShot and have tried different processes. The one I've chosen for now is the Airtech System. You cover the structure same as stits but you don't brush on the poly brush. You simply spray on two coats of their primer, let set overnight and sand, spray one more coat, let set for a couple of days then spray your color. Much less steps than stits with as good or better results. Only downside is it's a little more expensive but you trade time for money. My Decathlon came out beautiful, I flew it to Evergreen as soon as I finished it to get it judged but there was no class to enter it in. Contemporary was the newest class and it only went to 1967 year model. Mine was a 1975 model. All the judges were overwhelmed so they gave me an award anyway, It was called a "Chick Torbett Workmanship Award" which was supposed to come out of the classes judged. I think they ruffled a few feathers but all agreed to give me the award. I was pretty proud after all that work. I seen John H. down there but Mrs P'fer was down in the tail. He seem pretty impressed with my bird. Go to Airtechcoatings.com and read about it. We've done several Stearman's with it and had good results.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: painting John C, Do other systems you have looked at have a way around the silver? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93042#93042 -- 9:58 PM -- 4:48 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:12 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Most economical cruse speed Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? steve ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:05 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Most economical cruse speed | Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that | you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be | increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? | | steve | Morning Steve: I have, but the majority of the Kolb List wants to make JD tractors out of them. Something about wearing them out sooner if you turn more rpm, even though the engine was designed to cruise at 5,800 rpm and above. It is a continuous duty engine that does much better at or above 5,800 rpm. Without going back to look it up, the engine is capable of 6,500 rpm max continuous. Lots of folks feel the same way about the 912 series engines that are 5,500 rpm max continuous. In my case, if I don't turn at least 5,000 rpm, I can not keep the engine oil and CHT up to minimum temps. Wonder if we could put my 1936 JD D engine on a Firestar. It gets its max hp at 900 rpm. john h mkIII 25F and sunny ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:49 AM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Most economical cruse speed John and others, I am flying my Firestar with a 5100 RPM cruise every time I fly. I have over 450 hours on the 447. I'm a believer that less RPM's equates to less wear. So far, so good. Ralph Burlingame Original Firestar/447 20 years flying it -- "John Hauck" wrote: | Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that | you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be | increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? | | steve | Morning Steve: I have, but the majority of the Kolb List wants to make JD tractors out of them. Something about wearing them out sooner if you turn more rpm, even though the engine was designed to cruise at 5,800 rpm and above. It is a continuous duty engine that does much better at or above 5,800 rpm. Without going back to look it up, the engine is capable of 6,500 rpm max continuous. Lots of folks feel the same way about the 912 series engines that are 5,500 rpm max continuous. In my case, if I don't turn at least 5,000 rpm, I can not keep the engine oil and CHT up to minimum temps. Wonder if we could put my 1936 JD D engine on a Firestar. It gets its max hp at 900 rpm. john h mkIII 25F and sunny ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:48 AM PST US From: "J.D. Stewart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: painting I'm extremely pleased to read about a Chick Torbett award. Chick was meticulous building his Challenger, and always generous with his time and advice. I was sorry to lose such a friend to cancer in '04. I still keep his page up on the FlyChallenger site: http://challenger.inebraska.com/chick.htm J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Do Not Archive All the judges were overwhelmed so they gave me an > award anyway, It was called a "Chick Torbett Workmanship > Award" which was supposed to come out of the classes judged. > I think they ruffled a few feathers but all agreed to give me > the award. I was pretty proud after all that work. I seen > John H. down there but Mrs P'fer was down in the tail. He > seem pretty impressed with my bird. Go to Airtechcoatings.com > and read about it. We've done several Stearman's with it and > had good results.] ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley in winter From: "Craig Nelson" <> <> <> Hi all I've heard a lot about how the weather is slowing some of you in the deep freeze of our great country. Also there has been talk about MV, here are a few shots to get you thinking about May Uncle craig Do not archive _________________________________________________________________________ _____________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Ifyou receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:51 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: such a fine day for flying Larry... Did you see any floating Tomahawks?... ******************************************************************************** ** Report created 2/6/2007 Record 11 ** ******************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 9670T Make/Model: PA38 Description: PA-38 Tomahawk Date: 02/04/2007 Time: 2140 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Substantial LOCATION City: OWYHEE CORNERS State: OR Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT FAILED TO CLIMB ON TAKEOFF CRASHED INTO OWYHEE RESERVOIR, OWYHEE CORNERS, OR INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: BOI WX 2140Z 36004 10SM CLR 12/MO2 A3042 OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BOISE, ID (NM11) Entry date: 02/05/2007 DVD do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:35 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: such a fine day for flying No, I didn't even see an Indian bullet, but then I came in from the south and departed the same way. There have been a lot of mishaps at that strip over the years. One fellow that I knew from Klamath Falls managed to ground loop his Maule there, but duct taped it back together and flew it home. I somehow don't see a Tomahawk as a back country flyer, especially with two people. I did a Google search for Owyhee corners and came up with a spot 10 to 15 miles away from the reservoir. There is an airstrip at that location, but the strip in the middle of the lake is named "Owyhee State". Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lehman To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: such a fine day for flying Larry... Did you see any floating Tomahawks?... ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 2/6/2007 Record 11 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 9670T Make/Model: PA38 Description: PA-38 Tomahawk Date: 02/04/2007 Time: 2140 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Substantial LOCATION City: OWYHEE CORNERS State: OR Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT FAILED TO CLIMB ON TAKEOFF CRASHED INTO OWYHEE RESERVOIR, OWYHEE CORNERS, OR ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley in winter From: knowvne@aol.com Nice Captures... I especially like the middle one... The color could be bumped a bit but a nice shots just the same.... Sorry its the Professional in me speaking 8-) But it sure makes me want to strap on some Skis and fly WEST.... 8-) Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com To: Kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley in winter <> <> <> Hi all I've heard a lot about how the weather is slowing some of you in the deep freeze of our great country. Also there has been talk about MV, here are a few shots to get you thinking about May Uncle craig Do not archive _________________________________________________________________________ _____________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Ifyou receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. [Image Removed] [Image Removed] [Image Removed] ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly project on ebay From: "Bob Pongracz" FYI - My Firefly project is for sale on Ebay (see http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29296-2357-0?uid=413290571&site=0&ver=LCA080805&item=140082591487&lk=URL ) Pics & a description of parts avaialble can be seen there. Included is a low time 447, EIS and 3-blade Ivo prop. There is very little left to finish the plane. The reason for selling is to put the money into a conventional plane that my wife & I can both enjoy. The plane is in SE PA. If anyone has any questions, you can email me direct at pongoflyer@myway.com Bob PongraczTopton, PA(do not archive) _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Most economical cruse speed From: "planecrazzzy" Hi Jim, Just like a Detroit Diesel, I keep'r scream'n Mostly around 5900 - 6000 I don't really get good GPH .... But sometimes when I see the Fuel flow at 6 plus GPH , I back it down....Some of that is during climb But even at cruise I see 5 gph sometimes If I try for 3.5 gph like they say it's suppose to get , My RPM's would be way too low.... With a slight headwind I can almost go 100 miles on 8 gals , That's a 2 gal reserve ( doesn't mean 1 gal in each tank - uneven ) .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. jim wrote: > So Mike, what are the numbers? > > > > > I have a Fuel Flow meter / Fuel gauge , I switch over to see the fuel > > flow alot....I'm suprised how high it can get....When I'm cruising I check > > to see if I'm pushing it too much....Backing off the throttle "just a > > little" can really save the fuel > > > > > -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93317#93317 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:50 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Kolb-List: E-LSA deadline One more registration to go. Wouldn't you know it would be the Mk 3's that will be last, the only one I'm truly hot for. In the latest to arrive, FAA included a note to remind me of the 1-31-2008 deadline. If you have your packet into your local FSDO, MIDO or your E-LSA DAR by Nov. 30, FAA WILL GUARANTEE you will get your airworthiness certificate before the deadline. Obviously you have to do your part of the program correctly so there are no hang ups. After 11-30 there's no guarantee. Tick tick tick. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.