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Wed 02/07/07


Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:19 AM - Re: Most economical cruse speed (icrashrc)
     2. 04:05 AM - Fighting user fees ()
     3. 08:04 AM - Re: Fighting user fees (John Williamson)
     4. 08:55 AM - Re: Most economical cruse speed (jimhefner)
     5. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Most economical cruse speed (Ralph)
     6. 09:37 AM - Re: Fighting user fees (JetPilot)
     7. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Most economical cruse speed (Richard Pike)
     8. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Most economical cruse speed (Terry)
     9. 12:32 PM - plane crash at Owyhee State (Larry Cottrell)
    10. 02:48 PM - Re: float plans (planecrazzzy)
    11. 03:01 PM - Re: Re:float plans  (Duffney)
    12. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: float plans (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
    13. 03:10 PM - Re: Re:float plans  (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
    14. 03:27 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re:float plans  (Gary Knapp)
    15. 04:12 PM - Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller (John H Murphy)
    16. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: float plans (Bob Noyer)
    17. 05:46 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller (R. Hankins)
    18. 05:55 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller (R. Hankins)
    19. 06:42 PM - Best Prop around (Mike Welch)
    20. 07:28 PM - Re: Best Prop around (Southern Reflections)
    21. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: float plans (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
    22. 07:43 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
    23. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: float plans (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
    24. 08:24 PM - Re: plane crash at Owyhee State (TheWanderingWench)
    25. 09:59 PM - Re: Most economical cruse speed (jimhefner)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:19:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
    From: "icrashrc" <icrashrc@aol.com>
    Wonder if we could put my 1936 JD D engine on a Firestar. It gets its max hp at 900 rpm. john h ___________________________________________________________ If you're aiming for economy you should run the JD closer to max torque. I would aim for about 500rpm on the 'D'. Might wanna add a few pounds of air to the Firestars tires as well! :-) -------- Scott do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93395#93395


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    Time: 04:05:57 AM PST US
    From: <kfackler@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Fighting user fees
    Please go to this link where you can tell your congressman that you are against aviation user fees. It's easy and takes only a minute or two to complete the form which will then be emailed to your two senators and the representative of your district. http://web.nbaa.org/public/govt/action/?ISSUE=nbaa0005 do not archive


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    Time: 08:04:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fighting user fees
    From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1@comcast.net>
    It is hard to fight something that the specificies of have not been released yet. This excerpt is from the EAA website: The budget proposal includes the framework to establish a user-fee program for various aviation services; a nearly four-fold increase in the fuel tax paid by general aviation operators (avgas and autogas); and a series of fees for access to the nation's busiest airports. "The budget proposal calls for increased and or the establishment of fees for aircraft certification and registration, as well as appointment and designation of designees such as those used to certificate amateur-built aircraft and light sport aircraft, and airman medical certificates." Other than the "nearly four-fold increase in the fuel tax paid by general aviation operators (avgas and autogas)", I don't see any real big problem with paying my fair share. Fees for the paperwork are a common fact of life and impacts everyone evenly. I am just saying, know what you are objecting to before you you sign up. The NBAA is not the group that helps to protect us from ourselves. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93433#93433


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    Time: 08:55:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
    From: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
    Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? steve Steve, I don't know about your 447 or your setup but I know based on a couple hundred hours of experience that this was not a problem. As power was reduced on approach I had to avoid the 4200-4400rpm range, where the exhaust tuning is a problem, causing EGT's to go up sharply, but other than that, there was no problem. The 447 has plenty of power so even though at lower rpm settings it is not up on the high end of the power curve , there is plenty of power for a comfortable cruise speed. The engine was not laboring a bit... more like purring like a kitten. I used 100:1 synthetic so there was no carbon build-up and looking at the rings through the exhaust port, they were clean and free.... not a slap mark on either piston after more than 200 hrs.... looked new inside! A friend once looked into my exhaust ports and couldn't believe how clean and new it looked. My EGT's were 1050 and CHT was 225.... I don't think there was much wear going on there. I know there are always debates on this topic and everyone has a right to their own views and you all can run your engines at 5800 or above at cruise all you want, just sharing my experience with the list for those that might want to try something similar. I always burned a little under 3 gal/hr using that approach and setup.... a 447 shouldn't be burning much more than 3 gph or something is not right with the setup in my opinion. Steve, what are your numbers? (GPH, EGT/CHT, cruise speed, static rpm) -------- Jim Hefner Kolbless in Tucson :( Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93447#93447


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    Time: 09:17:48 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
    Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
    I'm in 100% agreement with Jim on this topic. 5000-5100 RPM is where the best economy is for the 447 on the Firestar or Firefly at about 2.5 to 2.7 gallons per hour. Ralph Burlingame Original Firestar w/447 20 years flying it -- "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com> wrote: Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? steve Steve, I don't know about your 447 or your setup but I know based on a couple hundred hours of experience that this was not a problem. As power was reduced on approach I had to avoid the 4200-4400rpm range, where the exhaust tuning is a problem, causing EGT's to go up sharply, but other than that, there was no problem. The 447 has plenty of power so even though at lower rpm settings it is not up on the high end of the power curve , there is plenty of power for a comfortable cruise speed. The engine was not laboring a bit... more like purring like a kitten. I used 100:1 synthetic so there was no carbon build-up and looking at the rings through the exhaust port, they were clean and free.... not a slap mark on either piston after more than 200 hrs.... looked new inside! A friend once looked into my exhaust ports and couldn't believe how clean and new it looked. My EGT's were 1050 and CHT was 225.... I don't think there was much wear going on there. I know there are always debates on this topic and everyone has a right to their own views and you all can run your engines at 5800 or above at cruise all you want, just sharing my experience with the list for those that might want to try something similar. I always burned a little under 3 gal/hr using that approach and setup.... a 447 shouldn't be burning much more than 3 gph or something is not right with the setup in my opinion. Steve, what are your numbers? (GPH, EGT/CHT, cruise speed, static rpm) -------- Jim Hefner Kolbless in Tucson :( Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93447#93447 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24


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    Time: 09:37:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fighting user fees
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    User Fees = A way for the government to collect more taxes, and more regulation for general aviation. Lets me think about this one, those of us that fly paying much higher taxes than everyone else, more regulation, and an even bigger government breauacracy... Whats not to like about it [Wink] Michael A. Bigelow -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93456#93456


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    Time: 11:25:21 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
    The Rotax 532 had a noticable "on the pipe/off the pipe" range that fell in the lower 5000 rpm range, and years ago I used to fly a Quicksilver MX with a 377 that had a very noticable range where it was either on or off the pipe. It is easy to tell engines affected in this manner because they will not hold a constant rpm, but will gain or lose rpm within certain rpm ranges. The 90 series 582 I am using does not do that that I have ever noticed, and I understand that the blue head is even better about it. So being on/falling off the pipe is not a factor. Last annual, rings were clean & free, top of piston was very lightly carboned, underside of head had a couple carbon patches about as big as a fingernail, a couple small streaks of carbon buildup in the exhaust manifold. Left it all alone, put it back together. Using Phillups Injex, normally cruise around 5100-5300 solo, 5500-5600 with a passenger. Quiet and comfortable at around 63 mph. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Most economical cruse speed Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? steve


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    Time: 11:29:27 AM PST US
    From: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
    Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
    Ralph wrote: > >I'm in 100% agreement with Jim on this topic. 5000-5100 RPM is where >the best economy is for the 447 on the Firestar or Firefly at about >2.5 to 2.7 gallons per hour. > >Ralph Burlingame >Original Firestar w/447 >20 years flying it > > >-- "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com> wrote: > >Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 >that you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you >may be increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? > >steve > >Steve, I don't know about your 447 or your setup but I know based on >a couple hundred hours of experience that this was not a problem. As >power was reduced on approach I had to avoid the 4200-4400rpm range, >where the exhaust tuning is a problem, causing EGT's to go up >sharply, but other than that, there was no problem. The 447 has >plenty of power so even though at lower rpm settings it is not up on >the high end of the power curve , there is plenty of power for a >comfortable cruise speed. The engine was not laboring a bit... more >like purring like a kitten. I used 100:1 synthetic so there was no >carbon build-up and looking at the rings through the exhaust port, >they were clean and free.... not a slap mark on either piston after >more than 200 hrs.... looked new inside! A friend once looked into >my exhaust ports and couldn't believe how clean and new it looked. >My EGT's were 1050 and CHT was 225.... I don't think there was much >wear going on there. > >I know there are always debates on this topic and everyone has a >right to their own views and you all can run your engines at 5800 or >above at cruise all you want, just sharing my experience with the >list for those that might want to try something similar. I always >burned a little under 3 gal/hr using that approach and setup.... a >447 shouldn't be burning much more than 3 gph or something is not >right with the setup in my opinion. > >Steve, what are your numbers? (GPH, EGT/CHT, cruise speed, static >rpm) > >-------- >Jim Hefner >Kolbless in Tucson :( >Do Not Archive > > > Jim, Steve, I guess that was what I was trying to get across earlier in my reply to Ed with his FireFly. Seems nobody want's to believe 2 or 2.25 gal/hr. on a 447. Flying at 5,000 to 5,200 rpm in front of a Tennessee wood prop for 620 hr's. Terry - Firefly #95


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    Time: 12:32:09 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: plane crash at Owyhee State
    We finally got the paper today and you were right, but the report was not very accurate that you read. Since the area that it was reported was about 15 to 20 miles from the resevoir. I copied the article and have it here for further explanation. I was a bit surprised to find that the area is so heavily used. The altitude is not very high and the density should have actually been near or below what the actual altitude is. Like I say the tomahawk is not a back country plane. Do not archive Larry, Oregon _________________________________________________________________________ ________ Plane crash traps duo Andy Gates | Argus Observer ONTARIO A light aircraft carrying two people crashed into the Owyhee Reservoir Sunday afternoon following an unsuccessful takeoff from the short, dirt runway of Owyhee Reservoir State Airport on the Pelican Point Peninsula, 45 miles south of Ontario. The pair freed themselves from their sinking plane and swam through icy waters until they were pulled to shore by witnesses to the crash, Malheur County Undersheriff Brian Wolfe said. Deputies received a call from Boise Air Traffic Control around 2:56 p.m., Wolfe said, and a rescue boat and aircraft were deployed to the area. Wolfe said the MCSO moved quickly to the scene. "We scrambled," Wolfe said. The two people in the aircraft freed themselves from the sinking plane, and were reported to be 70 to 80 feet off-shore. By the time deputies arrived, though, the aircraft was submerged in shallow waters, Wolfe said. The pilot and passenger swam through chilly waters until reaching ice 40 feet off-shore, Wolfe said. They were pulled in with a stick by a witness, then warmed by fire and flown to Nampa, Wolfe said. "This could have been very tragic," Wolfe said. "It's fortunate no one died." According to the Federal Aviation Administration's Web site, the Piper Tomahawk "failed to climb on takeoff and crashed into Owyhee Reservoir" during activity classified as "pleasure." Beyond that information, the exact cause of the crash has not yet been posted on the FAA Web site, and Wolfe said Monday he did not know why the plane crashed. The Oregon Department of Aviation owns and operates 28 airports, and of these, nine are designated as "warning airports" for dimensional standards and conditions that require specific pilot knowledge, according to the Oregon Department of Aviation Web site. The Owyhee Reservoir State Airport is not accessible by ground and is designated as one of nine Warning Airports in the state - 10 or more aircraft can be found there during a busy holiday weekend, according to the Oregon Department of Aviation Web site. The runway, which is "only" 1,840 feet long, is dirt, and sits across the Pelican Point Peninsula, where reservoir waters normally come right up to the airfield edge, according to the Oregon Department of Aviation Web site. The plane will need to be removed from the reservoir, Wolfe said, and deputies were scheduled to photograph the scene Monday. The damage to the fixed wing, single engine Piper Tomahawk is "substantial," according to the FAA Web site, but there were no serious injuries, the Web site shows. The aircraft is registered to William O. Dodd Jr., Nampa, according to the plane's identification number indexed on the FAA online registry. Dodd did not return a call Monday for comment.


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    Time: 02:48:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: float plans
    From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    Well, There wasn't any reply , but I thought I'd give you the formula for comverting the Metric numbers into something you might be able to work with.... To convert Metric to Inches : MM X .03937 = Inches Or MM divided by 25.4 = Inches ( I just realized my keyboard Doesn't have the symbol for division) Anyway...Gotta Fly... Mike in MN planecrazzzy wrote: > Hi, > So the plans aren't just Floats , their Amphibious right ? > > Do you have to "snail mail" or can you e-mail ...? > > I'd like to look at the plans.... > > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- . . . . . Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93505#93505


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    Time: 03:01:35 PM PST US
    From: "Duffney" <tnt1@rangebroadband.com>
    Subject: Re:float plans
    Malcolm, I would be interested in a set. Let me know what you want for a copy$. My address is 1716 E. 41 st. Hibbing MN. 55746. Thanks, Tim Duffney ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans any body want a set of float plans??? they are not that expensive to build andthey are less than $500 each you can pay as you go . malcolm. michigan. old kolb flyer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 05/19/2006


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    Time: 03:06:54 PM PST US
    From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
    Subject: Re: float plans
    PLane crazy you are OK I am glad to here Jaz is a women. I worked on the floats today and sent a set to elery Weld also on the list I realy would like somewon to take thes plans and run with them.noone on the kitfox or seaplane forem wants toand I realy dont know whear to start malcolm


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    Time: 03:10:12 PM PST US
    From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
    Subject: Re:float plans
    About $19 would cover printing a binder and shiping I will try to send them out thursday. malcolm


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    Time: 03:27:42 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Knapp" <gary56@sover.net>
    Subject: Re:float plans
    I'd be interested also! 92 Firestar 447 Gary Knapp 2627 Weatherhead Hollow Rd. Guilford Vt. 05301 Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Duffney To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans Malcolm, I would be interested in a set. Let me know what you want for a copy$. My address is 1716 E. 41 st. Hibbing MN. 55746. Thanks, Tim Duffney ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans any body want a set of float plans??? they are not that expensive to build andthey are less than $500 each you can pay as you go . malcolm. michigan. old kolb flyer href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 05/19/2006


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    Time: 04:12:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller
    From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812@yahoo.com>
    I've got a wooden propeller (probably the original prop). It looks like I'm going to have to replace this. Any recommendations as to a good replacement? Is Spruce the place to buy one? Thx. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93522#93522


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    Time: 04:22:40 PM PST US
    From: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: float plans
    Symbol for division / as in 2/3 i.e. two thirds regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive


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    Time: 05:46:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller
    From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
    Mr. Murphy: What engine/gearbox are you running? I put my firestar KXP thru its paces this last weekend using my new WAAS enabled GPS. Top speed 86mph@4000msl. Climbed 1110ft in one minute at 50mph. My 503 has a 66" two-blade IVO on a 2.58 "B" box. It is a smooth, efficient prop. I have never mounted anything else on my plane so 386hrs is the limit of my IVO experience. Surprisingly, Spruce has not given me good customer service of late. They sent me screw top B8ES plugs and haven't replied to my e-mails. The order before that they substituted a completely different fuel filter than was shown online and in the catalog. Twice bitten, thrice shy..... -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93539#93539


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    Time: 05:55:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller
    From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
    Mr. Murphy: What engine/gearbox are you running? I put my firestar KXP thru its paces this last weekend using my new WAAS enabled GPS. Top speed 86mph@4000msl. Climbed 1110ft in one minute at 50mph. My 503 has a 66" two-blade IVO on a 2.58 "B" box. It is a smooth, efficient prop. I have never mounted anything else on my plane so 386hrs is the limit of my IVO experience. Surprisingly, Spruce has not given me good customer service of late. They sent me screw top B8ES plugs and haven't replied to my e-mails. The order before that they substituted a completely different fuel filter than was shown online and in the catalog. Twice bitten, thrice shy..... -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93543#93543


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    Time: 06:42:53 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Best Prop around
    John, I think Ivo is probably one of the finest props around. Although there are a couple of other quality brands, the Ivo's quick adjust (by turning one simple screw), the ability to convert easily to "electric in-flight adjustable", and their excellent factory support.....certainly puts them at the upper range of a good-buy. I recently sent my 3 blades in for service to Ivo Prop. I accidently broke a blade with my Backhoe bucket!!!!!!! Moron!!! Oops! Anyway, they serviced the two good ones, (new leading edge tape), and made me a new third blade, for $200 . I felt like that was a pretty good deal, and now I keep the tractor on the other side of my house!! Mike in Utah _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know


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    Time: 07:28:33 PM PST US
    From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Best Prop around
    john, was it the tractor , or the pilot??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Best Prop around > > > John, > I think Ivo is probably one of the finest props around. Although there > are a couple of other quality brands, the Ivo's quick adjust (by turning > one simple screw), the ability to convert easily to "electric in-flight > adjustable", and their excellent factory support.....certainly puts them > at the upper range of > a good-buy. > I recently sent my 3 blades in for service to Ivo Prop. I accidently > broke a blade with my Backhoe > bucket!!!!!!! Moron!!! Oops! Anyway, they serviced the two good > ones, (new leading edge tape), and made me a new third blade, for $200 > . I felt like that was a pretty good deal, and now I keep the > tractor on the other side of my house!! Mike in Utah > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people > you know > > >


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    Time: 07:40:45 PM PST US
    From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
    Subject: Re: float plans
    I plan on getting started as soon as I see the Plans and what I am in for Ellery do not archive


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    Time: 07:43:12 PM PST US
    From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller
    Go with the 2 blade IVO I like mine real well I bought a 3 blade but after using it for a while on a 447 I like it a 2 blade better Just my opinion Ellery in Maine do not archive


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    Time: 08:24:02 PM PST US
    From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
    Subject: Re: float plans
    ellery how maney projects do you have gooing now mal


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    Time: 08:24:26 PM PST US
    From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: plane crash at Owyhee State
    I flew into Pelican Point in my Drifter in 2005. There were over a dozen GA planes tied down; it's a favorite weekend fly-in camping spot. Both the approach and the departure are over water - any problems at take-off and you can be in real trouble. I was nervous since there were several planes in the pattern without radios - and some who were just fooling around and not sticking to the pattern. But for "ultralight-type" aircraft the runway is plenty long, as there are no obstructions at either end. Arty Sandy, Oregon --- Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote: > We finally got the paper today and you were right, > but the report was not very accurate that you read. > Since the area that it was reported was about 15 to > 20 miles from the resevoir. I copied the article and > have it here for further explanation. I was a bit > surprised to find that the area is so heavily used. > The altitude is not very high and the density should > have actually been near or below what the actual > altitude is. Like I say the tomahawk is not a back > country plane. > Do not archive > Larry, Oregon > > > > Plane crash traps duo > > > Andy Gates | Argus Observer > > ONTARIO > > > > > > > > A light aircraft carrying two people crashed into > the Owyhee Reservoir Sunday afternoon following an > unsuccessful takeoff from the short, dirt runway of > Owyhee Reservoir State Airport on the Pelican Point > Peninsula, 45 miles south of Ontario. > > The pair freed themselves from their sinking plane > and swam through icy waters until they were pulled > to shore by witnesses to the crash, Malheur County > Undersheriff Brian Wolfe said. > > Deputies received a call from Boise Air Traffic > Control around 2:56 p.m., Wolfe said, and a rescue > boat and aircraft were deployed to the area. > > Wolfe said the MCSO moved quickly to the scene. > > "We scrambled," Wolfe said. > > The two people in the aircraft freed themselves from > the sinking plane, and were reported to be 70 to 80 > feet off-shore. > > By the time deputies arrived, though, the aircraft > was submerged in shallow waters, Wolfe said. > > The pilot and passenger swam through chilly waters > until reaching ice 40 feet off-shore, Wolfe said. > > They were pulled in with a stick by a witness, then > warmed by fire and flown to Nampa, Wolfe said. > > "This could have been very tragic," Wolfe said. > "It's fortunate no one died." > > According to the Federal Aviation Administration's > Web site, the Piper Tomahawk "failed to climb on > takeoff and crashed into Owyhee Reservoir" during > activity classified as "pleasure." > > Beyond that information, the exact cause of the > crash has not yet been posted on the FAA Web site, > and Wolfe said Monday he did not know why the plane > crashed. > > The Oregon Department of Aviation owns and operates > 28 airports, and of these, nine are designated as > "warning airports" for dimensional standards and > conditions that require specific pilot knowledge, > according to the Oregon Department of Aviation Web > site. > > The Owyhee Reservoir State Airport is not accessible > by ground and is designated as one of nine Warning > Airports in the state - 10 or more aircraft can be > found there during a busy holiday weekend, according > to the Oregon Department of Aviation Web site. > > The runway, which is "only" 1,840 feet long, is > dirt, and sits across the Pelican Point Peninsula, > where reservoir waters normally come right up to the > airfield edge, according to the Oregon Department of > Aviation Web site. > > The plane will need to be removed from the > reservoir, Wolfe said, and deputies were scheduled > to photograph the scene Monday. > > The damage to the fixed wing, single engine Piper > Tomahawk is "substantial," according to the FAA Web > site, but there were no serious injuries, the Web > site shows. > > The aircraft is registered to William O. Dodd Jr., > Nampa, according to the plane's identification > number indexed on the FAA online registry. > > Dodd did not return a call Monday for comment. > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."


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    Time: 09:59:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
    From: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
    Terry, if you are only burning 2- 2.25 gph, you are doing better than I ever did. I averaged around 2.75 with the 66" IVO on the FF. Sounds like you have a good thing going, so don't change anything. How long is your Tennessee prop? -------- Jim Hefner Kolbless in Tucson :( Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93584#93584




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