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1. 05:42 AM - Going EAB after the ELSA deadline (Richard Girard)
2. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: fitting needed (Rick Pearce)
3. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac (pat ladd)
4. 08:33 AM - Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac (planecrazzzy)
5. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac (John Hauck)
6. 10:39 AM - Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly (Jack B. Hart)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly (John Hauck)
8. 11:32 AM - Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly (JR)
9. 11:43 AM - Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly (John Hauck)
10. 02:05 PM - Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac (planecrazzzy)
11. 02:38 PM - Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly (planecrazzzy)
12. 03:16 PM - Back Copy (John Hauck)
13. 03:22 PM - Re: Back Copy (John Hauck)
14. 03:30 PM - Re: Back Copy (planecrazzzy)
15. 03:36 PM - Re: Back Copy (Bob Noyer)
16. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Back Copy (Russ Kinne)
17. 04:10 PM - Re: BRS DEPLOYMENT VIDEO (Arizona Man)
18. 04:13 PM - Re: Back Copy (planecrazzzy)
19. 05:37 PM - Re: BRS DEPLOYMENT VIDEO (planecrazzzy)
20. 06:15 PM - Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly (Richard Pike)
21. 06:22 PM - Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly (Jack B. Hart)
22. 06:50 PM - malcolm (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
23. 07:08 PM - Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly (John Hauck)
24. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: BRS DEPLOYMENT VIDEO (Dana Hague)
25. 10:47 PM - Re: Re: BRS DEPLOYMENT VIDEO (Arizona Man)
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| Subject: | Going EAB after the ELSA deadline |
Folks, A question was asked off forum about going experimental amateur built
after the Jan 31, 2008 deadline for ELSA registration expires.
One of the things that FAA did to keep from a paperwork nightmare was create
form 8050-88A, Affidavit of Ownership. This is different in that you can
check a series of boxes that allow you to say, in effect, I have no
paperwork of any kind to prove I own this aircraft, have it notarized, and
FAA will accept this. This form, too, goes away Jan 31, 2008. Unless you get
a DAR willing to take your word that you built it from materials all other
options on form 8050-88, the form used for Experimental Amatuer Built
aircraft, require a receipt be attached (and this form specifically states,
does not include light sport). I don't think FAA is going to allow any back
door way into EAB as they have with ELSA. That's the word I got from a DAR,
but that's all I have on that subject. You might want to give the Light
Sport branch a call at (405) 944-3668 and get the word from the horse's
mouth. If they give you an okay, I'd contact my DAR and make sure he's going
to play along as he might have his own interpretation.
Rick
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: fitting needed |
Paul: CPS has a 90 deg fitting for around 20$
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fitting needed
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> Never mind!
>
> Travis tha man hooked me up! This brings up an interesting subject tho....
John H John W. and Mark G. all have the same set up. They all needed 3 90's
to make the oil cooler work on the back of the fuselage. Rotax sends the
engenis out with the straight fittings for the oil pump and cooler. The 90's
are an option you have to buy at 70 bucks per 2. My question is who has
bought 2 pairs and what did you do with the other 90? May could get together
on this and pair up the extra fittings and make some gas money if you guys
can find them...or at least help out a fellow builder. On another note
travis sent me a few photos of the routing of a plane bryan built that used
the straight fittings. And the Rotax hose.
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> I think he said it was MikeB not sure
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> I would like to see more photos of your oil hose routing and type hose
used. Im going with areoquip FC-332
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> Paul Petty
> Kolbra #12
> Ms Dixie
> painting and reassembly
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac |
outside control zone of class"C" without a radio or transponder.>>
This is another one that ther authorities here are trying to load on us.
They are proposing that Everyone, but EVERYONE, should have a transponder.
Naturally there is an outcry, thousands of letters were sent to the CAA and
the authorities are looking at it again. The ultrlight community is of couse
arguing against the cost and the weight. Don`t hold your breath. Once Big
Brother gets an idea it is hard to stop.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac |
The CHEAPEST I could get mine for ( new ) was around $1,500 for the Transponder
& Alt encoder....
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http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/LSXXIX.html
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I have to have one if I don't want to drive 30 miles away to fly my plane
I'm right on top of class "B" airspace....But with Elec Start....You need a Transponder
to Fly within the "Mode C" ring....( beyond "B" )
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" warmin up in MN , it's 20
degrees
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> outside control zone of class"C" without a radio or transponder.>>
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> The ultrlight community is of couse
> arguing against the cost and the weight. Don`t hold your breath. Once Big
> Brother gets an idea it is hard to stop.
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> Cheers
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> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac |
Transponder & Alt encoder....
| Mike &
Mike:
Couldn't afford to have all that equipment on board.
Somehow I have been able to fly all over CONUS, Canada, and Alaska,
with the aid of the cheapest ICOM handheld, the A3, and a Garmin 196
GPS. Sometimes that can be too much stuff to take care of. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly |
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
Due to snow and cold, I am house bound. January passed and it was the first
month the FireFly has not flown since its first flight. It has given me
some time to reflect and so I made some calculations using simple drag and
horsepower equations to approximate FireFly performance.
Basically, it you want to stay up longer, fly further and reduce cost cruise
slower. For minimum time between two points, you have to consider refueling
time. Sometimes cruising slower gets you where you want to go in less time
and at lower cost. In general, the faster cruise eats up hp at a higher rate
than the increase in speed, so cost per mile increase dramatically.
If you would like to see the calculations, they can be seen at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly130.html
More snow is expected later on today and tomorrow. Not as bad as western
New York. Sanding and finishing wood Wright Flyer wing ribs. The EAA
Chapter 373 is building a spare wing for Wilber Wright Museum.
Do not archive
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly |
Sometimes cruising slower gets you where you want to go in less time
| and at lower cost.
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| Jack B. Hart
Jack:
How about explaining the above statement. Think my mind is cruising
too slow to grasp.
Many times, faster cruise will get you there sooner and at less cost,
based on speed and time in flight.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly |
stupid me.... it the removal of the 11-Man ballot sorry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly
>
> Sometimes cruising slower gets you where you want to go in less time
>
>
> Jack:
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> How about explaining the above statement. Think my mind is cruising
> too slow to grasp.
>
> Many times, faster cruise will get you there sooner and at less cost,
> based on speed and time in flight.
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> john h
> mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly |
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| stupid me.... it the removal of the 11-Man ballot sorry
HUH???
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac |
Hi John,
Well , you know how it is...I've got just too much money and
The more my plane weighs , the more stable it feels... He he he...
Take care...
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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John Hauck wrote:
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> Mike:
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> Couldn't afford to have all that equipment on board.
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> john h
> mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly |
You know John....The 11th man ballot...
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Gotta Fly...
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Mike:
Honestly, WTF is the above?
Never heard of it and google hasn't either.
john h
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| john h
Well..................so much for back copy. ;-)
jrh
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I Really don't have a clue either...
I just thought it was a funny reply....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN w/ Do not archive as a "signiture"
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Think he's referring to the crowd noises supporting a football
team...but whadda I know? Zero interest in watching 2x11 big pcs of
meat crashing together like combination of demolition derby and horny
rams.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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I'm in the dark too -- lettuce know!
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On Feb 11, 2007, at 6:30 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:
> <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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> I Really don't have a clue either...
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> I just thought it was a funny reply....
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN w/ Do not archive as a "signiture"
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| Subject: | Re: BRS DEPLOYMENT VIDEO |
Dude after watching this video I am gonna reverse my decision not to buy a BRS.
Yah never know when some yahoo gonna run into me. I have to say I am impressed
with that chute. (Y)
Ron (Arizona)
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---- Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
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Hi gang
This may interest you....
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>Watch this one first
>>>http://www.turbopilot.com/copa/image3/brs.wmv
>>
>>Here's what appears to be the full cockpit video from collision to
>>touchdown:
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>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_JAg1ZedGo
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FS2
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Hi Bob,
That would be 12th man...
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a58r(at)verizon.net wrote:
> Think he's referring to the crowd noises supporting a football
> team...but whadda I know? Zero interest in watching 2x11 big pcs of
> meat crashing together like combination of demolition derby and horny
> rams.
> regards,
> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: BRS DEPLOYMENT VIDEO |
Hey Captain Ron,
We don't hear from you much...
How bout some picture "updates"...
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When "I" watched the video..... Afterwards , I noticed his plane looked
"Flyable" ...Did he just Panic , and pull it too soon ?
Did anybody notice that ?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly |
Neat work Jack, got a question:
Does the math still work the same if you use different horsepower numbers,
and different airspeeds? At least within the low speed spectrum that most of
us fly at? For instance, could I plug in 65 horsepower and the math still
work? Or change the airspeed up or down 10 or 20 mph?
I am slow at math, so pardon me if this is a dumb question.
Thanks.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:49 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly
>
> FireFlyers & Kolbers,
>
> Due to snow and cold, I am house bound. January passed and it was the
> first
> month the FireFly has not flown since its first flight. It has given me
> some time to reflect and so I made some calculations using simple drag and
> horsepower equations to approximate FireFly performance.
>
> Basically, it you want to stay up longer, fly further and reduce cost
> cruise
> slower. For minimum time between two points, you have to consider
> refueling
> time. Sometimes cruising slower gets you where you want to go in less
> time
> and at lower cost. In general, the faster cruise eats up hp at a higher
> rate
> than the increase in speed, so cost per mile increase dramatically.
>
> If you would like to see the calculations, they can be seen at:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly130.html
>
> More snow is expected later on today and tomorrow. Not as bad as western
> New York. Sanding and finishing wood Wright Flyer wing ribs. The EAA
> Chapter 373 is building a spare wing for Wilber Wright Museum.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly |
At 01:02 PM 2/11/07 -0600, you wrote:
> Sometimes cruising slower gets you where you want to go in less time
>| and at lower cost.
John,
To keep things in context:
"Basically, it you want to stay up longer, fly further and reduce cost cruise
slower. For minimum time between two points, you have to consider refueling
time. Sometimes cruising slower gets you where you want to go in less time
and at lower cost. In general, the faster cruise eats up hp at a higher rate
than the increase in speed, so cost per mile increase dramatically."
As taken from the web page and modified:
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If you like to fly one hundred mile legs. Calculating flight times at
various speeds will give the following results.
trip time total fuel
.mph.................hr:min used (gal)
..40..................2:30 2.6
..45..................2:13 3.3
..50..................2:00 4.0
..55....1:49 + 0:30 = 2:19 4.7 (must refuel before or at 93 miles)
..60....1:40 + 0:30 = 2:10 5.8 (must refuel before or at 78 miles)
..65....1:32 + 0:30 = 2:02 6.7 (must refuel before or at 67 miles)
On the last three flights, one would have to stop for fuel and so 30 minutes
was added to accommodate refueling. Assuming no head wind, this indicates a
50 mph cruise would give the quickest time point to point.
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By not refueling and cruising at 50 mph, the 100 miles in two hours will
burn 4 gallons of fuel. The next best time is cruising at 65 mph with a
fuel burn of 6.7 gallons. From ferrying the FireFly from south east
Missouri to Indiana, I discovered that it was very difficult to refuel and
get back on the way in one half an hour. People are drawn to the FireFly,
and I had to ask them to get out of the way so I could start up and taxi
away.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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For those of you interested in Aerocet 1100 floats; Jim Fahey the current
owner of the molds, jigs, parts, paperwork, etc. is interested in selling all
that he has to another person(s) that might be interested in making the
floats. He no longer has the time or interest to do so. Jim can be reached by
phone 608-835-7984, or by email jimfahey55@yahoo.com .
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| Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed for a FireFly |
Thanks for your explanation Jack.
Glad I carry that extra 20 gals of fuel. Not so much to save time as
to have it when the situation dictates that I need it to survive.
John W got me into the habit of topping off the tank every time I
land, when flying cross country. Never fails, when I don't do that,
that the weather/wind changes drastically, gets nasty, and makes me
wish I had all the fuel I could hold to handle the situation.
Refuel delays caused by strap hangers is a frequent happening.
Normally, I enjoy it when folks take a sincere interest in my bird,
where we have been, and where we are going.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: BRS DEPLOYMENT VIDEO |
At 08:36 PM 2/11/2007, planecrazzzy wrote:
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> When "I" watched the video..... Afterwards , I noticed his plane looked
> "Flyable" ...Did he just Panic , and pull it too soon ?
> Did anybody notice that ?
Hard to day in this case, there didn't seem to be any major structural
damage but there could have been control failure... although my impression
is that most of the BRS deployments I've heard of seem to be the pilot
panicking after an engine failure. When my engine gets quiet (and it has,
more than once) I'm gonna fly it down if I still have control (though I've
never had a BRS on any plane I've owned). Once you pull that handle you
surrender all control.
In the pilot's defense though, he didn't have a lot of time to analyze the
situation before he got too low to deploy the chute. OTOH, it looked like
he was holding the camera in his hand... possibly paying attention to the
filming and not what was happening outside his airplane. Certainly it
looked like the pilot of the tow plane was taking evasive action before he did.
-Dana
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: BRS DEPLOYMENT VIDEO |
:-)
Well couple of reasons, real busy and just now started using Web Access here. Not
much to update yet. I am doing a lot of work on the Beech Sierra that I use
for charters when I am home. I was contracted to fly cargo (bank checks) with
the Sierra and it looks like every part needed to be OH after about 3 months
of that. So the Kolb is sitting in a corner waiting for its turn.
Sure would like to finish it if only to get everybody at the airport to stop asking
me if I am going to finish it, or when!
Ron Arizona
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---- planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hey Captain Ron,
We don't hear from you much...
How bout some picture "updates"...
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When "I" watched the video..... Afterwards , I noticed his plane looked
"Flyable" ...Did he just Panic , and pull it too soon ?
Did anybody notice that ?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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