---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/16/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:05 AM - Re: Ultralight Callsign (Thom Riddle) 2. 06:19 AM - Re: Ultralight Callsign (John Hauck) 3. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Ultralight Callsign aka C-54 (knowvne@aol.com) 4. 10:48 AM - pictures (boyd) 5. 10:48 AM - Gas Tank Study (boyd) 6. 11:15 AM - Re: Ultralight Callsign (Bob Noyer) 7. 12:49 PM - Re: Ultralight Callsigns (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 8. 03:27 PM - Re: Gas Tank Study (Paul Petty) 9. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Ultralight Callsigns (John Hauck) 10. 03:53 PM - Re: Gas Tank Study (John Hauck) 11. 09:02 PM - Follow-up on Gas Tank Study (JRatcli256@aol.com) 12. 09:27 PM - Poly fiber (Arizona Man) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:23 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultralight Callsign ....It's "duck & cover" time. They are fast and grey and hard to see..... Possums, Circa summer of 1967. There was a notice in the FBO shack at Gunn Airfield about 5 miles south of Stone Mountain, GA, to be on the lookout for large aircraft spraying for Fire Ants. I was taking off in an old straight tail C-150 and was perhaps as high as 300 feet AGL at the departure end of the runway when a B-17 converted for spraying Fire Ants flew directly beneath me just off the end of the runway at 90 degrees to my path. See and avoid is hard to do sometimes, and failing to do so or not being lucky can be catastrophic. BTW, if you are wondering why I capitalized Fire Ants, then clearly you have never had a too close encounter with them. do not archive Thom in Buffalo (no Fire Ants here) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:52 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultralight Callsign you | have never had a too close encounter with them. Thom: Rebels are intimately familiar with FIRE ANTS! Seems to be part of our heritage. john h mkIII hauck's holler, alabama 25F DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ultralight Callsign aka C-54 From: knowvne@aol.com Hi Bob 1945 Pratt & Whitney R4360 - 3800 hp 28-cylinder radial. (AKA the Corncob ) 8-) The Pratt and Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major was a large radial piston aircraft engine designed and built during WWII. It was the last of the Wasp family and the culmination of its makers piston engine technology, but the war was over before it could power airplanes into combat. It did, however, power the last generation of large, piston-engined planes before the jet engine and turboprop took over. This engine was commonly nicknamed "the Corncob". I stand corrected: The C-54 used the P&W R-2000-2SD-13G Twin Wasp Radial.. I guess thats 1/2 a Corncob 8-) Maybe I was thinking of the C-124.... It had to use the Corcob as fat as it was 8-) hahahaha Ya have to understand I was a whopping 4 years old back when those things were in use... I just assumed all Large P/W Radial that were Stacked like that were refered to as Corncobs.. 8-) BTW I understand they ran through Oil like a 2 stroke 8-) hahahahahaha Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: a58r@verizon.net To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ultralight Callsign aka C-54 The engines on the C-54 were not the Corn Cobs... They were P&W 4360-9 28 cyl, 4 rows of 7 cyls. Abt 3000hp. Tried on late F4U Corsairs, WWII. Been there. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive (or do we still do that?) ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. =0 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:27 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: pictures I just wish more of the group would post recent photos of their Kolb's and where they are flying! Aerial photography work on the 2006 tour de cure bike ride for the American diabetic's association. Boyd ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:27 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: Gas Tank Study I don't know if it would help or not.... when I ordered the 16 gal alum fuel tank from the old kolb company,, it came fitted right behind the seat. In doing W&B on the fuel tank I found it to be almost centered on the rear cg. When flying solo in the mkIII C I fly near the rear cg. So from full to empty on the fuel level does not change the cg enough to matter ( going from memory less than 1 / 4 inch. When I have two on board the cg of the plane is further forward, causing a fuel burn to move the cg more to the front as the fuel burns off. If anyone is interested let me know. Boyd Young MkIII C ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:20 AM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultralight Callsign Thom, if you see/have any Far Ants, pls send fastest way to me...need driveway's 6" solid (enuf to walk on) ice&snow melted. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ultralight Callsigns From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" John W: "When others don't know the rules/regs/recommended practices, (aka idiots), we can't stoop to their level. If you have to educate the unknowing, by all means do so." Jim D: "If they think you're an Ultralight they might expect you to get out of their way. I would stick with "Experimental xyz" or Experimental Kolb xyz". R Pike: "Don't give in." ===================================== Gentlemen, I appreciate your encouraging words! (triumphant patriotic music in the background ...) With this renewed shot of self-assurance, I will from now on go forth and fly boldly and with confidence, and proudly identify myself as "Kolb niner three delta, Experimental," and educate the unwashed masses! (At least the ones at MY airport.) Gosh, I love this List! Dennis Kirby do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gas Tank Study From: "Paul Petty" Rex, That is interesting. How does the aileron torque tubes exit the fabric? Are there any other photos of a finished mark3X that have that extenion? I am also wondering how that will affect the flaps and mounting of the oil cooler. What engine are you planning to use? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-586#95586 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:11 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ultralight Callsigns identify myself as "Kolb | niner three delta, Experimental," and educate the unwashed masses! (At | least the ones at MY airport.) | | Gosh, I love this List! | | Dennis Kirby Hi Denis: IIRC, John W briefed me that make and N number were all that was required except when making initial contact with the tower or other controller. At an untowered airport, Kolb 101AB. Towered airport, Kolb 101AB Experimental. If I am wrong, I am sure I will get corrected. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:43 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gas Tank Study From: "John Hauck" > How does the aileron torque tubes exit the fabric? Paul P: Put a dollar patch where the torque tube will come through. Cut a nice snug hole in the patch. When everything is finished, cut a nice leather patch with pinking shears to finish it off. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-591#95591 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:12 PM PST US From: JRatcli256@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Follow-up on Gas Tank Study Hi Gang, Thanks to all for the responses. Although I didn't say so in my initial post - I did an archive search on gas tanks and concluded that an aluminum tank similar to Johns, Rex , etc., was the preferred method and design. Single tank, fuel sender, more fuel, bottom pickup with gascolator. Looking at the pictures - you guys sure do some nice work. Richard P. - You must really know your fiberglass. Really smooth job. John B. - Great job. Noticed the windshield frame tubes are missing. Is that a Mark 3 classic frame? Being somewhat over my initial budget and still wanting the moon, I came across some gas cans that can be used in the Mark 3x that I plan to use. For three @ $8.00 each (allowing 19.5 gal. total fuel) and no removal of the side tubes on the cage to make them fit, I feel the price is right in comparison to $200 - 300 or more for an aluminum tank. Can't weld or bend aluminum and fiberglass a bit expensive also. The tanks I found are 6.5 gal. each. Three to five can be installed in the cage depending on how they are arranged. All can be installed or removed thru the side of the cage very easily when empty (and three when full if your strong enough, which I'm not). They weigh about 40# each when full and you are bent down under the wing. My son brought that up as I was proudly showing him my accomplishment. Funny how kids seem to get smarter as they get older / and I get dumber. What I'm trying to determine is - at what angle fore and aft and side to side to mount them to get the most useable fuel in any anticipated flight regime (max. angles of climb, approach with flaps, and banks left/right. After a week, I think I've worked it out (again), but trying to anticipate before I fabricate. Any additional input would be appreciated. For those interested: The tanks are manufactured by "Blitz" and in my area, available only at Home Depot. They are called 6+ Gas Cans and are the same thickness as the TNK original tanks. But Red in color - not clear. And hold 6.5 gal. each. You can see what they look like at http://www.blitzusa.com/fuelcanda.htm Physical size is 8.5 x 14.25 x 18.5 inches. They can be installed/removed thru the side or behind the passenger seat. The fore & aft structural tube supporting the center back of the cockpit (3/8 x .035) and the fuel tank bracketing tubes (1/4 x .035) have to be removed, and new tubes installed to support the new tanks. Especially the 3/8 x .035 center back support tube. I plan on leaving mine in the plane and fueling from outside per John H. hose, with the option available to remove the tanks if absolutely necessary in the field. Disadvantages are same as original tanks and not clear (Can't see fuel quantity). Although far from perfect I plan on using the Fuelman flow meter and keeping track of flight time on EIS. Still playing with ideas on easier fueling locations/options. I'm in the 2.5 gal lifting category John H. spoke of. Any Ideas along that line would be appreciated also. Have been thinking about a fuel fill manifold with a single fill location somewhere accessible with the wing unfolded. Maybe I'm just dreaming. Still wanting the moon on a beer budget. Will post pictures when I have everything worked out. Thanks again all. John Ratcliffe ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:06 PM PST US From: Arizona Man Subject: Kolb-List: Poly fiber I am starting to think ahead a bit and wondering which fabric weight most people are using. I am wondering if there are any pluses to going with the heavier fabric. 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