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1. 03:10 AM - Re: Gas Tank Study (icrashrc)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Ultralight Callsign (Thom Riddle)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: Poly fiber (planecrazzzy)
4. 06:59 AM - Re: Ultralight Callsign (John Hauck)
5. 07:31 AM - HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC (Chuck Stonex)
6. 08:15 AM - Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC (David Key)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Poly fiber (Arizona Man)
8. 10:26 AM - Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC (Chuck Stonex)
9. 10:53 AM - Re: Poly fiber (planecrazzzy)
10. 11:00 AM - Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC (planecrazzzy)
11. 11:09 AM - Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC (knowvne@aol.com)
12. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC (Chuck Stonex)
13. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC (snuffy@usol.com)
14. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC (knowvne@aol.com)
15. 01:09 PM - Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane (Herb Gayheart)
16. 01:34 PM - Alot of "V" speed info (planecrazzzy)
17. 03:49 PM - Re: Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane (Richard Girard)
18. 03:54 PM - Re: Alot of "V" speed info (Thom Riddle)
19. 04:28 PM - Re: Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane (Herb Gayheart)
20. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Gas Tank Study (Larry Bourne)
21. 05:34 PM - Re: Alot of "V" speed info (planecrazzzy)
22. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Alot of "V" speed info (Bob Noyer)
23. 06:30 PM - Pictures (Steven Green)
24. 06:57 PM - 23 gal tank (Craig Nelson)
25. 07:47 PM - October in Alabama (John Hauck)
26. 08:57 PM - Re: Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane (Richard Pike)
27. 09:49 PM - Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000 (Jack Carillon)
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tank Study |
I would be interested in pictures, dimensions, plans, drawings, ect. of the 16
gallon tank from Kolb. Feel free to send what you have back channel if you don't
think it all belongs on the list.
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight Callsign |
... if you see/have any Far Ants, pls send....
Bob,
As I said, no FAR ANTS around here, but if they were good for clearing
snow and ice, they would be worth their weight in gold this time of
year.
So far this month we've not had a single day in which the high
temperature was anywhere near thawing. Y'all down south refer to 32
degrees F as the freezing temperature, up here we call it the thawing
temperature.
Thom in Buffalo
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Hey Ron,
You know the next plane I'm building will cruise around
200 mph....it has fabric on the fuselage and tail....They use 2.7 oz
On my Firestar I have 1.7 oz....but I'm 3 times slower
Seems to me that 1.7 oz is plenty strong after the poly soaks into it...
although , in this picture you can see how it stretches and bows between
the ribs...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight Callsign |
Y'all down south refer to 32
| degrees F as the freezing temperature, up here we call it the
thawing
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| Thom in Buffalo
Thom:
Buffalo is in another country, north of the Arctic Circle, is it not?
We bumped 19F last night. Coldest temp this year. Hopefully, it will
be the last. I got stuff to do outside and freezing temps and me do
not get along. ;-)
john h
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| Subject: | HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC |
This is off topic but I know it will get to a lot of readers. Yesterday my
daughter had to put her dog to sleep because he was turning aggressive
towards her and other animals in the house. It was very difficult for her to
do. He was an eight year old catahula male that she raised from a pup.
She is looking for a good quality 13 inch beagle male under 12 weeks old. We
live in Des Moines and have not had much luck finding one here from a
breeder who knows what he is talking about or that sounds trustworthy. If
any one knows of anybody who has a litter available, please let me know off
list. My email is cstonex@msn.com.
Thanks guys.
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| Subject: | HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC |
This would be considered SPAM
>From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>To: FlyChallenger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC
>Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:31:07 -0600
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>This is off topic but I know it will get to a lot of readers. Yesterday my
>daughter had to put her dog to sleep because he was turning aggressive
>towards her and other animals in the house. It was very difficult for her
>to do. He was an eight year old catahula male that she raised from a pup.
>She is looking for a good quality 13 inch beagle male under 12 weeks old.
>We live in Des Moines and have not had much luck finding one here from a
>breeder who knows what he is talking about or that sounds trustworthy. If
>any one knows of anybody who has a litter available, please let me know off
>list. My email is cstonex@msn.com.
>Thanks guys.
>Chuck S
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>_________________________________________________________________
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---- planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hey Ron,
You know the next plane I'm building will cruise around
200 mph....it has fabric on the fuselage and tail....They use 2.7 oz
On my Firestar I have 1.7 oz....but I'm 3 times slower
Seems to me that 1.7 oz is plenty strong after the poly soaks into it...
although , in this picture you can see how it stretches and bows between
the ribs...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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I started wondering about it after I checked the Aircraft Spruce site for coverings.
I know the convention is with lighter grade, but you know how it is, you
get to thinking hey how much more weight can it be total for the aircraft? Not
that I care all that much, I figure I got enough HP for the extra weight. Maybe
a combo of heavy stuff on high wear areas and light stuff on the wings.
I just ordered 1/4 inch alum angle to fabricate the engine mounts. I ain't cutting
that fuselage till I have the mounts on the engine and I know exactly where
I need to weld the new parallel bars on the cage. also need to finish up the
muffler, and then the engine is done. I completely rebuilt that Suzuki 1.3 liter
even with stainless steel valves and such. So far all I have invested in that
motor is about $1K, the drive is going to be almost 2K and some other accessories
I figure total price will be about 4K. Still lots of money but the alternatives
some of which are clearly inferior are more.
What are building next (sounds like a Stagger Wing)?
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| Subject: | HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC |
David Key
this is not spam ...this is a genuine request for assistance .... If you
don't know the answer then ignore it. That is what a caring person would do.
This would be considered SPAM
>From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>To: FlyChallenger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC
>Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:31:07 -0600
>
>
>This is off topic but I know it will get to a lot of readers. Yesterday my
>daughter had to put her dog to sleep because he was turning aggressive
>towards her and other animals in the house. It was very difficult for her
>to do. He was an eight year old catahula male that she raised from a pup.
>She is looking for a good quality 13 inch beagle male under 12 weeks old.
>We live in Des Moines and have not had much luck finding one here from a
>breeder who knows what he is talking about or that sounds trustworthy. If
>any one knows of anybody who has a litter available, please let me know off
>list. My email is cstonex@msn.com.
>Thanks guys.
>Chuck S
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Huh ???
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| Subject: | Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC |
Looks like donkey is the one who Spammed the list , not you chuck...
I don't get it...?
He's always ready with a flame....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN ( could use a good flame ...Brrr)
PS look online fer your dog...I'm sure you'll find one.( google ? )
(Amashound.com....He he he )
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| Subject: | Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC |
In deed... Chuck Just ignore the man behind the curtain... 8-/
Mark Vaughn
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From: cstonex@msn.com
Sent: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC
David Key
this is not spam ...this is a genuine request for assistance .... If
you don't know the answer then ignore it. That is what a caring person
would do.
This would be considered SPAM
>From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>To: FlyChallenger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC
>Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:31:07 -0600
>
>
>This is off topic but I know it will get to a lot of readers.
Yesterday my >daughter had to put her dog to sleep because he was
turning aggressive >towards her and other animals in the house. It was
very difficult for her >to do. He was an eight year old catahula male
that she raised from a pup.
>She is looking for a good quality 13 inch beagle male under 12 weeks
old. >We live in Des Moines and have not had much luck finding one here
from a >breeder who knows what he is talking about or that sounds
trustworthy. If >any one knows of anybody who has a litter available,
please let me know off >list. My email is cstonex@msn.com.
>Thanks guys.
>Chuck S
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>_________________________________________________________________
>Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a
month. >Intro*Terms http://www.NexTag.com
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| Subject: | Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC |
Thanks Mike .... were doing what ever we can to try to find one. Too cold to
fly here ..... 22.8deg now at 1.22pm. It was 4 degrees yesterday. Warmer
days are coming
Chuck
Looks like donkey is the one who Spammed the list , not you chuck...
I don't get it...?
He's always ready with a flame....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN ( could use a good flame ...Brrr)
PS look online fer your dog...I'm sure you'll find one.( google ? )
(Amashound.com....He he he )
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My favorite beagle was a pilot in WWI he shot down the Bloody Red
Baron numerous times........I think from a
Kolbra.......
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RUFF way to go 8-) hahaha
Mark Vaughn
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: HELP NEEDED IN IOWA/ Off TOPIC
My favorite beagle was a pilot in WWI he shot down the Bloody Red
Baron numerous times........I think from a
Kolbra.......
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| Subject: | Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane |
Guys
One of the things that seems not to be known by anyone that I have
talked to over the years, is the composition and technology behind the
covering and finishing systems that we use on fabric planes..
Surely someone on the net can tell us how to make our own paints?
I think we have seen most products go up 10 to 20 percent this year..
Seems like a good time to try to circumvent the Aircraft coating
companies.. 200 dollars a gal seems absurd to me..
Here is a little blurb..
Herb
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| Subject: | Alot of "V" speed info |
Hey guys,
Here's some good reading on V-speeds....
http://whitts.alioth.net/Pageb11About%20Aircraft%20Speeds.htm#V_S_
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane |
Herb, One of the biggest problems with the alternative coating systems,
whether urethane, latex, or whatever is how to make a repair should you get
a tear or a bad case of hangar rash. Another is UV protection of the fabric.
Yet another is selling your creation to a repairman or an A & P when your
next annual is due. If you look down the road a piece, the price of knowing
that the covering job on which you lavished your time and attention is going
to give you the service you deserve is pretty cheap, really.
Remember, all that stuff about lift and drag is a sham. Airplanes fly on
money, usually in large quantities. :-)
Rick
On 2/17/07, Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com> wrote:
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> Guys
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> One of the things that seems not to be known by anyone that I have
> talked to over the years, is the composition and technology behind the
> covering and finishing systems that we use on fabric planes..
>
> Surely someone on the net can tell us how to make our own paints?
>
> I think we have seen most products go up 10 to 20 percent this year..
> Seems like a good time to try to circumvent the Aircraft coating
> companies.. 200 dollars a gal seems absurd to me..
>
> Here is a little blurb..
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> Herb
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"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Alot of "V" speed info |
....alioth.net/Pageb11About%20Aircraft%20Speeds.htm#V_S_
That sure was a lot of words about V speeds etc. Unfortunately some of it is self-contradictory,
much of it hard to follow and contains a lot of absolutes, some
of which are just not correct. That is not to say that it does not contain
some good info, but I believe there are other sources for this sort of information
that are easier to understand. Two such sources are listed below.
http://www.auf.asn.au/groundschool/contents.html
http://www.av8n.com/how/
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| Subject: | Re: Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane |
Hi Ed
Just trying to know more about paints and coatings.. I have used Poly
Tone three times.. my mini Max came to me with an auto base coat/clear
coat finish and it looked super.. Sherwin Williams Ultra 2000. It was
expensive also..
I do not want to get into the aircraft paint business.. too old for
that... Just want to have the knowledge to make informed decisions..
When I am asked to grab my ankles... just want to know that the
benefits out weight the disadvantages.. :-)
Herb
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:49:21 -0600 "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
writes:
Herb, One of the biggest problems with the alternative coating systems,
whether urethane, latex, or whatever is how to make a repair should you
get a tear or a bad case of hangar rash. Another is UV protection of the
fabric. Yet another is selling your creation to a repairman or an A & P
when your next annual is due. If you look down the road a piece, the
price of knowing that the covering job on which you lavished your time
and attention is going to give you the service you deserve is pretty
cheap, really.
Remember, all that stuff about lift and drag is a sham. Airplanes fly on
money, usually in large quantities. :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tank Study |
Here's dimensions of the stock Kolb (TOK) 16 gal tank.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:10 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gas Tank Study
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> I would be interested in pictures, dimensions, plans, drawings, ect. of
> the 16 gallon tank from Kolb. Feel free to send what you have back channel
> if you don't think it all belongs on the list.
>
> icrashrc@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Alot of "V" speed info |
Hey , Thanks Thom....I bookmarked those...alot of interesting stuff there.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Alot of "V" speed info |
Both of these URLs contain the old "suction on top of the wing makes
lift" canard...to make a nice pun. Maybe 16%. Let's get Newton back!
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Pictures:
Fuel tank holds 20 gal. which gives 3 hrs. with 1 hr reserve.
Hiwassee river between Benton and Starr Mountains in October 2005.
Steven Green
MKIII 912S
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| Subject: | October in Alabama |
Hi Gang:
James Tripp cruising his FSII at 6,000 feet over Alabama. Shot from
Miss P'fer.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane |
Years ago I decide my Hummer's factory sails were no longer airworthy, and
recovered it with generic dacron, purchased from Aircraft Spruce for about a
third the cost of Stits fabric. Painted it with Sears Latex Gloss Black for
U/V protection, based on the premise that it would be staying in a hangar,
and the original sail had lasted for ten years, and (according to Mike
Fischer - Fischer Flying Products, the black makes a good U/V barrier) and
then I trimmed it out in high gloss yellow, from Sherwin-Williams. Had about
$300 in the whole affair. The best Latex you can buy is only about $25 a
gallon.
Latex is super easy to do, works well, not too glossy, just don't lay two
Latex painted surfaces together, they will adhere to each other, and when
you separate them, something bad will happen.
Attached the fabric to the structure with Rand-O-Bond. Stits Poly-Tak would
probably be as good.
If price is the main consideration, go with Latex. If you want it
airplaney - go with something else. (spend money)
I don't plan to ever do another airplane, but if I did, I think I would try
using Classic Coatings dope (Aircraft Spruce). Dope is like lacquer, gives a
pretty finish, is cheaper than Stits, and I have always found dope easy to
work with.
Swimming upstream here - Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Gayheart" <herbgh@juno.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ole Paint! Not the horse! Polyurethane
> Guys
>
> One of the things that seems not to be known by anyone that I have
> talked to over the years, is the composition and technology behind the
> covering and finishing systems that we use on fabric planes..
>
> Surely someone on the net can tell us how to make our own paints?
>
> I think we have seen most products go up 10 to 20 percent this year..
> Seems like a good time to try to circumvent the Aircraft coating
> companies.. 200 dollars a gal seems absurd to me..
>
> Here is a little blurb..
>
>
> Herb
>
>
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| Subject: | Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000 |
I've been reading the list everyday for many years and really enjoy the
info and seeing the pictures you guys send. Here are some pixs I shot
from the back seat of my 1994 Firestar II In Nov. of 2000 with my son
Bob flying a straight in approach to my friend Leonard's 600 foot strip
where i kept my Kolb at the time. Temp that day was about 25 degrees.
His strip starts at the edge of the snow.
In the last pix you can just see the nose of a Kolb in the hanger to
the right, this is the one Ralph Hoover(Ohio Ralph) ended up with after
it was sold 2 or 3 times.
Jack Carillon Akron , Oh.
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