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1. 02:46 AM - Re: Gas Tank Study (icrashrc)
2. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Alot of (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Gas Tank Study (Larry Bourne)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Gas Tank Study (John Hauck)
5. 07:23 AM - Re: Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000 (Bill Vincent)
6. 07:35 AM - Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying (Bill Vincent)
7. 07:48 AM - Kolb Flying (Bill Vincent)
8. 07:51 AM - Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying (David Lehman)
9. 08:09 AM - Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying (Bill Vincent)
10. 08:27 AM - Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying (planecrazzzy)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying (David Lehman)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000 (Arizona Man)
13. 11:49 AM - Re: Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000 (Ralph Hoover)
14. 12:00 PM - Re: October in Alabama (Ralph Hoover)
15. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: October in Alabama (John Hauck)
16. 03:52 PM - Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying (Larry Bourne)
17. 04:09 PM - Fuel Tank material (Arizona Man)
18. 04:19 PM - Identify this plane ? early Kolb? (planecrazzzy)
19. 04:23 PM - Re: Fuel Tank material (planecrazzzy)
20. 04:35 PM - Re: Fuel Tank material (John Hauck)
21. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank material (Arizona Man)
22. 04:55 PM - Re: Identify this plane ? early Kolb? (Arizona Man)
23. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank material (Charlie England)
24. 05:48 PM - Whats in a name? (Ralph Hoover)
25. 06:00 PM - Re: Identify this plane ? early Kolb? (Bob Noyer)
26. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank material (John Hauck)
27. 06:18 PM - Re: Whats in a name? (John Hauck)
28. 06:24 PM - Re: Whats in a name? (planecrazzzy)
29. 07:19 PM - Re: Fuel tank Material (JRatcli256@aol.com)
30. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank Material (Charlie England)
31. 08:03 PM - Rotax Class (Roger Lee)
32. 08:30 PM - Re: Whats in a name? (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tank Study |
Thanks for the picture with dimensions added. Seems like they went to a lot of
trouble just to drop the tank floor a few inches below the boom tube. Did this
tank fit thru the cage or did you have to cut and replace a tube or two?
thanks,
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.... Let's get Newton back!....
Bob,
If you read through them both, all the way, you'll find that Bernoulli
is not the leading actor in the play, but as you stated, only a bit
player. They also bust some other myths. Good reading for a snowy
winter day.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tank Study |
The cage came from the factory with 2 removable tubes behind the seats, and
the tank - just - slid right in. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
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From: "icrashrc" <icrashrc@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:46 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gas Tank Study
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> Thanks for the picture with dimensions added. Seems like they went to a
> lot of trouble just to drop the tank floor a few inches below the boom
> tube. Did this tank fit thru the cage or did you have to cut and replace a
> tube or two?
> thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tank Study |
Morning Gang:
I knew I wanted a big fuel tank when I built my mkIII. Experience
gained from flying the Ultrastar and Firestar dictated lots of fuel.
The Firestar was built with the normal 5 gal plastic tank and a Ken
Brock seat tank. Advertised as 10 gal, it held 8 gal useable. I was
able to make some pretty long cross country flights summer 1988 with
this configuration. Problem with this set up was size of the seat.
Took up most of my cockpit space. That winter we overhauled the FS
from cage out. Stuck an 18 gal alum tank up top behind the bulkhead,
which opened up the bottom for cargo. Summer 1989 I was able to cross
country with all my stuff inside the airplane. The year before I had
to sling load the sleeping bag under the belly.
Built the mkIII 16 years ago, along with a 25 gal fuel tank. It is
mounted in the normally open area behind my head, opening up the
bottom area for cargo. This tank has given good service with no
leaks, thanks to fuel tank slosh and seal.
The photo of fuselage shows the fuel site gauge on the bulkhead behind
the left seat. Man, I wish the old gal still shined like it did when
this photo was taken. Course, it had not flown yet either.
The two primary changes folks want as soon as they fly their new Kolbs
is fuel and cargo space. Best build it in before you fly.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000 |
Hi Jack Carillon and John Hauck
Thanks for the great pics.
I'll see if I can dig up some pics of my Upper Michigan flying.
Bill
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From: "Jack Carillon" <pcarillonsr@neo.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000
> I've been reading the list everyday for many years and really enjoy the
> info and seeing the pictures you guys send. Here are some pixs I shot
> from the back seat of my 1994 Firestar II In Nov. of 2000 with my son
> Bob flying a straight in approach to my friend Leonard's 600 foot strip
> where i kept my Kolb at the time. Temp that day was about 25 degrees.
> His strip starts at the edge of the snow.
> In the last pix you can just see the nose of a Kolb in the hanger to
> the right, this is the one Ralph Hoover(Ohio Ralph) ended up with after
> it was sold 2 or 3 times.
>
> Jack Carillon Akron , Oh.
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| Subject: | Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying |
Hi Gang
This is the runway where I store my plane. It is a great runway except
for when the deer jump out of the woods, they wait until I just about
land then jump out onto the runway ... I think they do that just to see
if my heart is still strong. :-)
Bill Vincent
FS II
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Hi Gang
I took this rear view picture while flying my plane over the Upper
Peninsula of Michgan. You can see the redish blur of my red IVO Prop.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying |
Bill...
Just wondering, why not cut the trees clear to the water?...
DVD
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On 2/18/07, Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> Hi Gang
> This is the runway where I store my plane. It is a great runway except for
> when the deer jump out of the woods, they wait until I just about land then
> jump out onto the runway ... I think they do that just to see if my heart is
> still strong. :-)
> Bill Vincent
> FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying |
Hi Dave
Sure would like to cut the trees ... but that land is owned by a
Utility Company ....
Bill
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From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying
Bill...
Just wondering, why not cut the trees clear to the water?...
DVD
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On 2/18/07, Bill Vincent < emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
Hi Gang
This is the runway where I store my plane. It is a great runway
except for when the deer jump out of the woods, they wait until I just
about land then jump out onto the runway ... I think they do that just
to see if my heart is still strong. :-)
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying |
In da Minne-sota Land....Even if you own the land...You better make sure you could
cut those trees down...
They have some kind of law that protects the river banks 50 to 100 ft from the
rivers edge....
I know a guy out here that got "FINED" for pulling WEEDS out of HIS lake
What a crock....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in Minne-sota Land
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying |
Makes sense Bill, guess it's the seaplane pilot in me that sees a great
opportunity for a seaplane base as well as clearer approach for the
runway...
David
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On 2/18/07, Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> Hi Dave
> Sure would like to cut the trees ... but that land is owned by a Utility
> Company ....
> Bill
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> *From:* David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:51 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying
> Bill...
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> Just wondering, why not cut the trees clear to the water?...
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> DVD
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> On 2/18/07, Bill Vincent < emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> > Hi Gang
> > This is the runway where I store my plane. It is a great runway except
> > for when the deer jump out of the woods, they wait until I just about land
> > then jump out onto the runway ... I think they do that just to see if my
> > heart is still strong. :-)
> > Bill Vincent
> > FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000 |
Neat pics, always nice to see the movement of the airplane.
Ron (Arizona)
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---- Jack Carillon <pcarillonsr@neo.rr.com> wrote:
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I've been reading the list everyday for many years and really enjoy the
info and seeing the pictures you guys send. Here are some pixs I shot
from the back seat of my 1994 Firestar II In Nov. of 2000 with my son
Bob flying a straight in approach to my friend Leonard's 600 foot strip
where i kept my Kolb at the time. Temp that day was about 25 degrees.
His strip starts at the edge of the snow.
In the last pix you can just see the nose of a Kolb in the hanger to
the right, this is the one Ralph Hoover(Ohio Ralph) ended up with after
it was sold 2 or 3 times.
Jack Carillon Akron , Oh.
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures of winter flying Dec. 2000 |
Jack, looks as nice now as it did then. Only difference is, its many additional
"testimonies"!
Thanks again for your assistance in locate it's history.
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: October in Alabama |
John, I hope you and James don't mind my using that picture as a backdrop on my
screen saver. The detail of the planes and the ground at 5,800 feet is fantastic.
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| Subject: | Re: October in Alabama |
backdrop on my screen saver. The detail of the planes and the ground
at 5,800 feet is fantastic.
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| Ohio Ralph
Ralph:
Be my guest. If you want a larger file, up to 1.6mb, let me know and
I will send it to you.
That is Jones Bluff Reservoir on the Alabama River between Selma and
Montgomery, Alabama.
Took it two years ago as we flew home from the Shane Smith Memorial
Flyin, Lucedale, MS. The reason we were flying at that altitude was
to make the best use of the wind and get out of turbulence.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying |
Sure looks nice from here.
Finally settled into my new apt in Santa Fe. Pheee-eeeeewww.....! ! !
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
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From: Bill Vincent
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:27 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Upper Peninsula of Mich. Kolb Flying
Hi Gang
This is the runway where I store my plane. It is a great runway except
for when the deer jump out of the woods, they wait until I just about
land then jump out onto the runway ... I think they do that just to see
if my heart is still strong. :-)
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank material |
While I am waiting on the .25 angle alum engine mounts I started looking at where
to install the fuel tank. I looked at JOHN fuel tank and knowing that I am
not going to fly the distances he does decided on a smaller tanks. I am thinking
of two tanks along the tail boom. I already snipped off the two little tubes
who I guess are there for fabric covering. I am not sure how many gallons I
will end up carrying at full load. But I am guessing 18 or so. I have not settled
on exact dimensions so I can't yet even attempt a math solution.
I can't remember from the old threads and sure don't know how to look them up,
what kind of aluminum we used. I have some memory that it should be 5000 series
but ain't sure. Any of you fabricators out there let me know what you used.
I think either 6061 or 5000 are used for welding reasons.
anyone has constructed the tanks the way I am thinking of doing it?
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| Subject: | Identify this plane ? early Kolb? |
Maybe some of you old timers can Identify this aircraft....
Gotta Fly...
Weeeeeee
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank material |
Look in the ACS&S catolog....They explain it there...it's in the front part by
the Aluminum stock.....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank material |
| I can't remember from the old threads and sure don't know how to
look them up, what kind of aluminum we used. I have some memory that
it should be 5000 series but ain't sure. Ron Mason
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Ron:
5052 is the preferred material for fuel tanks, both aviation and
marine.
Very easy to use the archives. This url is at the bottom of all posts
to the Kolb List:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator/?Kolb-List
When you arrive there, go down the list to see what you want to do.
Archives search engine will help me find those posts that are relative
to what I am looking for if the author used a good subject. This is
why it is important to keep a good subject line. Archives search
engine is here:
http://www.matronics.com/search/
On that page is says select search engine at the top of the page.
Open the drop down menu and click on Kolb, or which list you want to
search.
Three lines down it says: Search String. Simply put in there what
you are looking for. If you want to see what you have sent to the
Kolb List, put your name in there. If you want to see what I sent to
the List, put Hauck in there. If you want to pull up as much info as
you can on fuel tanks, put fuel tank in the space.
Then hit begin search, and you are on your way. Simple as pie.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank material |
Thanks saw it there. next thing is the filler tube ain't seen it there. I need
something like a car tube so I can get the gas into it. I swear last time I went
through this I saw some outfit up in PHX that makes the whole thing for a reasonable
price. Can't find them now. It would be nice to send the plans to someone
and have the tanks come back ready to install. My Tig machine doesn't have
AC so I can't weld aluminum.
Ron (Arizona)
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Look in the ACS&S catolog....They explain it there...it's in the front part by
the Aluminum stock.....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Identify this plane ? early Kolb? |
---- planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Maybe some of you old timers can Identify this aircraft....
Gotta Fly...
Weeeeeee
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You gotta be kidding looks like a back injury in progress, I feel the pain by just
looking.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank material |
Arizona Man wrote:
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> Thanks saw it there. next thing is the filler tube ain't seen it there.
> I need something like a car tube so I can get the gas into it. I swear
> last time I went through this I saw some outfit up in PHX that makes the
> whole thing for a reasonable price. Can't find them now. It would be
> nice to send the plans to someone and have the tanks come back ready to
> install. My Tig machine doesn't have AC so I can't weld aluminum.
>
> Ron (Arizona)
snipped
If you can fold up the AL to make a proper fitting box, you can pop
rivet it & 'proseal' it shut. A 5 sided box with flanges for the 6th
side makes it easy to rivet the box 'dry' & seal the seams/rivets, then
put the last side on 'wet'. Closed end pop rivets are available but
wouldn't be needed with proper technique.
Most of the sealant makers make a sealant that is resistant to all the
current auto fuel additives.
BTW, someone mentioned 'sloshing compound'. Be very sure the entire tank
is perfectly clean if you use it. Many homebuilders have had slosh
begin to peal off in the tank, risking fuel pickup blockage. Experts
think that this is caused when the slosh can't stick well to the
not-perfectly-clean metal.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Whats in a name? |
After continuing to see "Miss P'fer" as the name to John's Hauck's plane, I got
to thinking. And that always becomes dangerous to a mind like mine. But the weather,
being as it is here in Ohio, I thought It would be a fun thing to name
your planes , as John has done. (We used to name our Harleys).
John, I have no idea what is behind the name Miss Pfer, but it no doubt would be
an interesting story. If you have, Not since I have been a reader of thsi site,
so please bore the oldtimers and enlighten us newer drivers!
And since I am waiting for a response, here are the names I have donned for others
on this site, for their plane, based on their messages, locations, habits
or what have you. And guys! Its all in fun.
For John Houck, I would name his plane Plow-boy, Richard Pike would have his named
Second Coming, Bob N. as Profound, Bill Vincent - Chill-Out, David Lehman
Water-boy, Biglar -Get-er-done, Jack Carillon (not referring to size, but location)
Blimp, Thom Riddle - Slide Rule and last but not least..........MIKE in
MN......................Weldrod! And that dog of his......Oxcy.!
Now come and beat me up!
Oh-Hi -O Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Identify this plane ? early Kolb? |
It's a mark 6 7/8 Kerr-Splatt, expertly piloted by I.M.A. Stupe-Noggle,
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank material |
tank
| is perfectly clean if you use it.
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| Charlie
Charlie:
I cleaned my 25 gal aluminum tank with a gal of mek. Sloshed it real
good with the MEK before I sloshed it four times, once a day for four
days. I used Randolph Avn/Auto Slosh and Seal, which is no longer
available. It worked great for me, and after 15 years is still leak
free.
Fuel tank slosh sealer is very prominently used in my other hobby,
antique tractors. These old fuel tanks are not nearly as easy to work
with as nice clean aluminum. There are many brands out there that
work well. We haven't had a tractor fall out of the sky and crash
lately. ;-)
A few important components of fuel system are:
1-a finger strainer fitting in the tank outlet.
2-a good tank vent on top of the tank, run out the bottom of the
fuselage.
3-a sealed fuel filler cap.
4-Fitting top and bottom to connect a fuel sight gauge. If you mount
the fuel tank up top behind the bulkhead, you can use a fuel sight
gauge and not be bothered by electric gauges which are noted to
malfunction. My old sight gauge is still operational.
john h
mkIII
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Oh-Hi -O Ralph
Ralph:
Had a friend who had a pet turtle named T'fer, T fer turtle.
Later on down the road, I found a tree frog, put him in a terrarium on
the kitchen counter for my little boys to observe. His name was
F'fer, F fer frog.
When I built my my Ultrastar, it was named P'fer, P fer plane.
The Firestar was named Cousin P'fer, because I watched an old
aerobatic Stearman at Lakeland fly. Its name was Cousin Smoky, IIRC.
When I built the mkIII, this airplane was more sophisticated than any
of the other two. She was appropriately named Miss P'fer. She has
been called all kinds of names. Mostly Miss Pifer. ;-)
She is Miss P'fer, P fer plane.
That is the end of my story. If I build another airplane I will name
it Ernie after my last big old black male Bassett Hound. Why? Cause
I liked Ernie a lot.
john h
mkIII
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Hi Ralph,
My plane already has a name...She's "Miss Lucky Stars"
Because every time I'm Flying ...I'm Thanking my "Lucky Stars"
But "Jaz" liked her nick name...she said grrrrr ...eat
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Charlie and all,
Hadn't thought about riveting an aluminum tank and not welding. Then sealing
compound.
What's the consensus on this? May have to reconsider.
John Ratcliffe
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JRatcli256@aol.com wrote:
> Charlie and all,
>
> Hadn't thought about riveting an aluminum tank and not welding. Then
> sealing compound.
>
> What's the consensus on this? May have to reconsider.
>
> John Ratcliffe
Works well for just about every all-metal homebuilt that uses leading
edge wing tanks (also Boeing & various other commercial/military mfgrs).
Charlie
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Hi All,
Just got back from a Rotax repairman course. I would highly recommend taking the
class. It puts facts and Myths into perspective and may keep someone from spending
big bucks in the future from bad advise or poor repairs. There is lots
of good information. You strip an engine down and reassemble it. They supply the
books and cover all of the 912's systems.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Whats in a name? |
:-) New plans in the works. Honest. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Whats in a name?
> <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
>
> After continuing to see "Miss P'fer" as the name to John's Hauck's plane,
> I got to thinking. And that always becomes dangerous to a mind like mine.
> But the weather, being as it is here in Ohio, I thought It would be a fun
> thing to name your planes , as John has done. (We used to name our
> Harleys).
>
> John, I have no idea what is behind the name ?oMiss P?Tfer?, but it no
> doubt would be an interesting story. If you have, Not since I have been a
> reader of thsi site, so please bore the oldtimers and enlighten us newer
> drivers!
>
> And since I am waiting for a response, here are the names I have donned
> for others on this site, for their plane, based on their messages,
> locations, habits or what have you. And guys! Its all in fun.
>
> For John Houck, I would name his plane ?oPlow-boy?, Richard Pike would
> have his named ?oSecond Coming?, Bob N. as ?oProfound?, Bill
> Vincent - ?oChill-Out?, David Lehman ?oWater-boy?,
> Biglar -?Get-er-done?, Jack Carillon (not referring to size, but
> location) ?oBlimp?, Thom Riddle - ?oSlide Rule? and last but not
> least..........MIKE in MN......................Weldrod! And that dog of
> his......Oxcy.!
>
> Now come and beat me up!
>
> Oh-Hi -O Ralph
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-920#95920
>
>
>
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