Kolb-List Digest Archive

Tue 02/20/07


Total Messages Posted: 29



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:23 AM - You listening Luray? :-) (Denny Rowe)
     2. 05:00 AM - Re: Rotax Class (Thom Riddle)
     3. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: Whats in a name? (N27SB@aol.com)
     4. 05:17 AM - Re: Rotax Class (Thom Riddle)
     5. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Whats in a name? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
     6. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Rotax Class (John Hauck)
     7. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Rotax Class (George Thompson)
     8. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Rotax Class (hillstw)
     9. 01:32 PM - Re: Whats in a name? (planecrazzzy)
    10. 02:18 PM - Re: Rotax Class (Roger Lee)
    11. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Class (N27SB@aol.com)
    12. 02:36 PM - Limited Range  (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
    13. 03:08 PM - Re: Limited Range (Jim Dunn)
    14. 03:28 PM - Re: Limited Range (David Key)
    15. 04:09 PM - Re: Whats in a name? (David Lehman)
    16. 05:09 PM - Re: Limited Range (planecrazzzy)
    17. 05:15 PM - Re: Whats in a name? (Ralph Hoover)
    18. 05:27 PM - Re: Kolb Shadow (Ralph Hoover)
    19. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Class (John Hauck)
    20. 06:28 PM - Update on AZ Dave (John Hauck)
    21. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Class (N27SB@aol.com)
    22. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Whats in a name? Ralph H. (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
    23. 07:57 PM - Re: Limited Range (kfackler)
    24. 08:14 PM - Re: Limited Range  (WillUribe@aol.com)
    25. 08:26 PM - Re: Rotax Class (Roger Lee)
    26. 08:32 PM - Re: Limited Range (Roger Lee)
    27. 08:32 PM - Re: Limited Range (John Hauck)
    28. 09:25 PM - Re: Limited Range (WillUribe@aol.com)
    29. 09:45 PM - Re: Limited Range  (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:23:06 AM PST US
    From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny@windstream.net>
    Subject: You listening Luray? :-)
    > > > > Hi Dana: > > Did you know that Kolbs are not like any other aircraft? Kolbs are in > a class by themselves. They are special. They fly better, and > satisfy my every aviating desire. That is why I fly them. > > When I see PPG, I think of Pittsburg Plate Glass. > > PPG's are those little things at Sun and Fun and Oshkosh that eat up > the best flying time during the day, while the ULs and light planes > sit on the ground. > > Guess if I didn't want to do anything but try and keep my suspension > lines straight and out of the prop, and make it nearly all the away > around the UL traffic pattern at Lakeland and OSH, I'd be chomping at > the bit to be a PPG guy. > > The neatest thing about a Kolb is the amount of time, effort, and > money, we put into our projects. Then the years of great flying that > our little airplanes provide us for all that work we put into them. > > My old bird is 15 years old now, but she flies like she did when she > was a baby. She takes me where I want to go. The airport perimeter > is only the beginning. She has carried me and my gear for as long as > 48 days, all over CONUS, Canada, and Alaska. She has nothing in > common with a PPG, glass or parachute. > > I, personally, have nothing against PPG's and powered parachutes, > other than eating up good flight time at the two biggest airshows in > the world. They just do not appeal to me and my style flying. > > Kolbs do it! > > john h > mkIII > > DO NOT ARCHIVE >


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    Time: 05:00:31 AM PST US
    From: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    ... Bottom line for the ethanol/methanol is don't worry about it.... Roger, If alcohol is not an issue with Rotax engines, then why does Bing sell an optional seal, float, etc kit for Bing 64 carburetors used on 912 series engines? Thom in Buffalo


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    Time: 05:10:41 AM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Whats in a name?
    In a message dated 2/19/2007 9:38:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: Hi Dana: Did you know that Kolbs are not like any other aircraft? Kolbs are in a class by themselves. They are special. They fly better, and satisfy my every aviating desire. That is why I fly them. Hi John, I agree, My Firefly on floats is unlike anything I has seen. It is a joy to fly and can be folded in minutes and transported to distant locations if you do not feel like flying that far. I can't think of anything that could replace it. BTW, his name is Puddle Buster. Named after Bryan Melborn's Poodle. Puddle Buster Steve


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    Time: 05:17:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
    John H, The current TBO for the newer 912 series engine is already 1,500 hours, beginning with 4,404,718 on UL engines. Not sure which serial number on the ULS engines is the first w/ 1500 hour TBO. I think it will indeed be increased again sometime. We have only about 470 hours on our 912UL s/n 4,405,916 built in 2003 and it shows no signs of aging at all. GREAT engine but sure is expensive and getting more so with the US$ continuing to tank. Thom in Buffalo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'234#96234


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    Time: 05:54:58 AM PST US
    From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Whats in a name?
    Well said John same thoughts from where I sit also Ellery do not archive


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    Time: 06:20:30 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    hours, beginning with 4,404,718 on UL engines. | Thom in Buffalo Morning Thom: You are absolutely correct. My mistake. Yes, they are very expensive, but they perform and are the most reliable engine available. I'd rather spend the money and feel comfortable to enjoy my sport, than the alternative. john h mkIII


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    Time: 09:04:19 AM PST US
    From: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    Hi to John and all other Kolbers who were friends of Az. Dave as Dave Pelletier was known. I talked with Dave's wife, Eve just the other day. She told me that the NTSB had finished the inspection of Dave's plane and found NO mechanical faults with it. I am sure we all knew this would be the result, but it is good to know the official results. The remains will come back up to Prescott to the Embry Riddle Aeronautical University for further inspections and tests. They have an aircraft "Accident" investigation course that recognized as world class. I am going to try to make MV again this year. Hope to see all of you there. The Az. Bald Eagle (George Thompson) From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:20 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax Class > > > hours, beginning with 4,404,718 on UL engines. | Thom in Buffalo > > > Morning Thom: > > You are absolutely correct. My mistake. > > Yes, they are very expensive, but they perform and are the most > reliable engine available. I'd rather spend the money and feel > comfortable to enjoy my sport, than the alternative. > > john h > mkIII > > > -- > 1:44 PM > >


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    Time: 10:58:51 AM PST US
    From: "hillstw" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    Speaking of Rotax classes; who knows when and where upcoming 912 classes will be? Jimmy 912S ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax Class > > Hi to John and all other Kolbers who were friends of Az. Dave as Dave > Pelletier was known. > I talked with Dave's wife, Eve just the other day. She told me that > the NTSB had finished the inspection of Dave's plane and found NO > mechanical faults with it. I am sure we all knew this would be the result, > but it is good to know the official results. The remains will come back up > to Prescott to the Embry Riddle Aeronautical University for further > inspections and tests. They have an aircraft "Accident" investigation > course that recognized as world class. > I am going to try to make MV again this year. Hope to see all of you > there. > The Az. Bald Eagle (George Thompson) > > > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:20 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax Class > > >> >> >> | The current TBO for the newer 912 series engine is already 1,500 >> hours, beginning with 4,404,718 on UL engines. | Thom in Buffalo >> >> >> Morning Thom: >> >> You are absolutely correct. My mistake. >> >> Yes, they are very expensive, but they perform and are the most >> reliable engine available. I'd rather spend the money and feel >> comfortable to enjoy my sport, than the alternative. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 1:44 PM >> >> > > > -- > 1:44 PM > >


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    Time: 01:32:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Whats in a name?
    From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    Hey Ralph, After your plane found that corn field...I guess you could call her "Corn Dart" , can't call her "Miss" corn Dart.... because you didn't miss.... Errr pass the corn on the Kolb....please.... He he he..... . . . Warmin up....gonna have ta git back out in the Garage... . Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN . . . Ralph Hoover wrote: > > > Now come and beat me up! > > Oh-Hi -O Ralph -------- . . . . . Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'340#96340


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    Time: 02:18:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    Hi All, Eric Tucker mentioned that they were looking at the 1800 TBO. Hi Thom, I don't know about Bing, but only what Eric Tucker stated. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'351#96351


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    Time: 02:19:32 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    ATI PLANS ROTAX TRAINING CLASSES AT SUN 'N FUN Aero Technical Institute (ATI) will offer several Rotax engine training classes at the Sun 'n Fun Fly-in at Lakeland Florida in mid-April. A 4-stroke class will be held on April 17-18, and if that fills up, another will be offered April 22-23. A 2-stroke class will be held April 19-20. Also offered is a one-day class on 4-strokes on April 21. All classes are from 8 a.m.-5 p.m. at the Lockwood display in the new Sun 'n Fun Light Plane area (formerly Paradise City/Ultralight Area). Cost is $445 for advance registration and $545 if you register at the event. The one-day class is $295 before March 15, 2007, or $325 afterwards. To register, call 863-655-5100. For more information, visit _www.AeroTechnicalInstitute.com_ (http://www.AeroTechnicalInstitute.com) . steve <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more.


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    Time: 02:36:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Limited Range
    From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
    Kolb Friends - All the recent discussion on bigger fuel tanks for our Kolbs has just hit home for me. In flight planning for my first REAL cross-country trip, I am currently making plans for the upcoming Monument Valley trip in May. The cold, hard truth has suddenly become clear: ten gallons of fuel is proving to be quite limiting for me, especially in northwest New Mexico and the four-corners region, where we are hard-pressed to find airports within 200 miles of each other! Up to now, the stock 10 gallons of fuel in my Mark-III was adequate for local flying, and the occasional round-robin flights (usually under 100 miles) that always begin and end at my home airport. But now I'm finding that it's gonna take some real planning to hopscotch my way to Goulding's without running dry en route. At this point, I'm considering bringing an extra 5 gal gas can with me (full, of course) as emergency backup. In case I encounter unforcast headwinds that would cause me to burn up all my gas before reaching my destination, I'm thinking it would be better to land on a lonely dirt road and refill rather than land on that dirt road and be out of gas! John H is right - I'm already thinking about options for more fuel capacity. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, and only 200 miles of range, in Cedar Crest, NM


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    Time: 03:08:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Limited Range
    From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
    Can you land on a lonely dirt road next to a gas station? Jim N. Idaho > <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> > > . . .I'm thinking it would be better to land on a lonely dirt > road and refill rather than land on that dirt road and be out of gas!


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    Time: 03:28:56 PM PST US
    From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
    Subject: Limited Range
    Dennis, These look neat. I haven't used one or talked with anyone who has but I'm trying to figure out a good excuse to try one. http://www.imtra.com/downloadtypes/nauta_brochure.pdf Maybe someone knows something about these.


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    Time: 04:09:00 PM PST US
    From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
    Subject: Re: Whats in a name?
    Ralph... I already named mine... Across the nose, forward of the windshield is written "El Chingadero"... I just liked the way it sounded, now my Hispanic Mother-In-Law tells me it's Mexican slang for Little "F"er... Maybe it's Little P'fer... DVD absolutely, unequivocally, do not archive... On 2/18/07, Ralph Hoover <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > After continuing to see "Miss P'fer" as the name to John's Hauck's plane, > I got to thinking. And that always becomes dangerous to a mind like mine. > But the weather, being as it is here in Ohio, I thought It would be a fun > thing to name your planes , as John has done. (We used to name our Harleys). > > John, I have no idea what is behind the name "Miss P'fer", but it no doubt > would be an interesting story. If you have, Not since I have been a reader > of thsi site, so please bore the oldtimers and enlighten us newer drivers! > > And since I am waiting for a response, here are the names I have donned > for others on this site, for their plane, based on their messages, > locations, habits or what have you. And guys! Its all in fun. > > For John Houck, I would name his plane "Plow-boy", Richard Pike would have > his named "Second Coming", Bob N. as "Profound", Bill Vincent - "Chill-Out", > David Lehman "Water-boy", Biglar -"Get-er-done", Jack Carillon (not > referring to size, but location) "Blimp", Thom Riddle - "Slide Rule" and > last but not least..........MIKE in MN......................Weldrod! And > that dog of his......Oxcy.! > > Now come and beat me up! > > Oh-Hi -O Ralph >


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    Time: 05:09:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Limited Range
    From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    Hey Dennis, A cheap facet pump would transfer the fuel "in Flight" But then you have to figure if you need it in both tanks or one... ( I don't know your fuel system ) Gotta Fly... Mike in MN ...FSII / N381PM ( needs more fuel too ) . . . Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland. wrote: > I'm thinking it would be better to land on a lonely dirt > road and refill rather than land on that dirt road and be out of gas! > > > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-III, 912ul, and only 200 miles of range, in > Cedar Crest, NM -------- . . . . . Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'391#96391


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    Time: 05:15:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Whats in a name?
    From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
    Planecrazzzy, said: Hey Ralph, After your plane found that corn field...I guess you could call her "Corn Dart" , can't call her "Miss" corn Dart.... because you didn't miss.... Errr pass the corn on the Kolb....please.... He he he..... " Gotcha son, it was a "Soy Field"! He, He! If it was corn at that time it would have been inverted atop the corn stalks reading an additional 6 feet on the ALT. And the wings would have definitely had stalk rash. The soy bent over and accepted the authority of the mighty fine Kolb aircraft, bowing somewhat respectfully as they should. Therefore, since I was relaxed throughout the whole landing, confident that the Kolb was all that "The Man" made it to be, my Firestar is named "At Ease", although it might have been more aptly named "Fall-In"! Now get down and you and your dog, give me twenty-five! do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'392#96392


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    Time: 05:27:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb Shadow
    From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
    Bill, that is a great picture with tremendous detail. Detail like the "STILL" installed in the out building 30 feet aft of centerline of the wings shadow. I gotta tell you this military software really lets one get great detail. The apparent "cloths line" in your next door neighbors yard (to the right) is really a S.E.T.I. Antenna. Now we know where you live and Agents are on their way over! He He! Ohio Ralph do not archive! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'395#96395


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    Time: 05:36:22 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    Steve: Who is going to teach the 912 class? Eric Tucker? I, personally, would rather attend his classes based on his experience with the two stroke and the 912. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 06:28:43 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Update on AZ Dave
    George T: Thanks for the update on AZ Dave. Glad it was not a mechanical problem, and wish it had not been a piloting problem. Glad to hear you are going to MV. See you there. Three months and counting. johnh mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 06:36:17 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    Who is going to teach the 912 class? Eric Tucker? I, personally, would rather attend his classes based on his experience with the two stroke and the 912. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE John, Do not know, I saw that notice on the regular EAA update I get. Someone will have to call. Steve <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more.


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    Time: 06:58:54 PM PST US
    From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
    Subject: Re: Whats in a name? Ralph H.
    Ralph Hoover wrote: > If it was corn at that time it would have been inverted atop the corn stalks reading an additional 6 feet on the ALT. And the wings would have definitely had stalk rash. The soy bent over and accepted the authority of the mighty fine Kolb aircraft, bowing somewhat respectfully as they should. Therefore, since I was relaxed throughout the whole landing, confident that the Kolb was all that "The Man" made it to be, my Firestar is named "At Ease", although it might have been more aptly named "Fall-In"! > > Now get down and you and your dog, give me twenty-five! > > do not archive > Ralph, I thought that you sold the kolb. Or did that deal fall through?? ~ Earl Z.


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    Time: 07:57:56 PM PST US
    From: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Re: Limited Range
    > Can you land on a lonely dirt road next to a gas station? Let me share a story about that, if I may. I wasn't flying a Kolb at the time, but anyone who flies anything might learn from this. I found myself running short of fuel and happened to spot just what you described, a gas station on a lonely road. And it had a large open area right next to it. I mean, it looked so good that I could practically taxi to the gas pump from that area, so down I went. What I couldn't tell from altitude (and was too green a pilot to analyze) was that this spot was an access point for heavy trucks going into and out of a construction area nearby. There had been some rain a few days previously and these big trucks had rutted the area badly. And I mean HUGE. The landing nearly beat me to pieces, not fun. But I got down okay, got my gas, and got ready to leave. By now, as is usual with these birds, I'd drawn quite a crowd. After dispensing with the usual questions (how fast, how high, do you need a license) I managed to get my bird cranked and turned to depart. This is when I made the biggest mistake of all up to this point. I failed to walk the spanI planned to takeoff from. The ruts were unbelievable and I was actually bounced into the air, VERY hard, before the plane was quite ready to fly. I managed to get the nose down and caught it before smashing back down and established my climb. After a few minutes of letting the nerves settle, I thought, "Man, that was one rough landing and takeoff. I sure hope this bird is holding together." So I began a visual scan. Wings okay, tail okay, right main okay. Left main? Left main? Gone! Yeah, that last bump literally ripped the main gear and gear leg off the airplane. I had the 'pleasure' then of completing the flight to my home field wondering just how badly I was going to be mauled when I crashed this thing on two wheels. I'd actually seen a two wheel landing done once, when a guy's wheel just fell off as he rolled down the runway. (Rushed his pre-flight it turned out and forgot the safety pin.) So I knew the technique, which is to land real soft, wait for the wing on the damaged side to start to drop, then give it all the opposite inputs you've got. I had to buzz the runway several times to get the attention of my buddies (no radios in use back then) and they cleared all the parked airplanes out of my way. I got it down with no additional damage other than to my already frazzled nerves, but it was probably way more luck than skill. I was even able to drive back to the gas station and retrieve the gear assembly and later put it back on the plane. Again, dumb (and I mean dumb) luck. But the lesson is, I hope, all too obvious. Landing where you don't know the ground truth is risky. And always walk your takeoff run at a strange location. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / N722KM Rochester MI


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    Time: 08:14:19 PM PST US
    From: WillUribe@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Limited Range
    <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> Up to now, the stock 10 gallons of fuel in my Mark-III was adequate for local flying, and the occasional round-robin flights (usually under 100 miles) that always begin and end at my home airport. But now I'm finding that it's gonna take some real planning to hopscotch my way to Goulding's without running dry en route. Hi Dennis, This is how I would do it. Take Albuquerque to Milan Grants airport following I-40 79.7 miles. Milan Grants airport to Gallup 58.9 miles following I-40 Gallup west over I-40 to Chambers 36.8 miles then north via 191 to Chinle 83.1 miles. Fuel up at Chinle with the 5 gal tank I carry in the jump seat and head on into MV. Simple Will Uribe El Paso, TX but working in Arlington, TX FireStar II N4GU _http://www.members.aol.com/willuribe/mv/_ (http://www.members.aol.com/willuribe/mv/) <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more.


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    Time: 08:26:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax Class
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    Hi Guys, If you have the choice take the 3 day class. There is way too much stuff to cover in one day. It took all three days. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'434#96434


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    Time: 08:32:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Limited Range
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    I tried a 5 gal. can in the other seat with a facet pump. It was in the way and could not carry passengers or luggage. The Imtra 6 gal. fuel bladder works very well. I had a seperate facet pump and fuel shut off to it and it pumped into my main tanks so I could read the level on my EIS. I mounted it jsut behind the main fuel tanks. I was very happy with it and I had 3.5 hours of run time. It wa easy to fill with airport fuel trucks, also. Some of the guys saw it last year at MV. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'435#96435


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    Time: 08:32:30 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Limited Range
    and | head on into MV. | | Simple | Will Uribe Gang: Will knows how to do that, even with an extreme headwind, like last year. Are you planning on flying the FS this year, Will? john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:25:40 PM PST US
    From: WillUribe@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Limited Range
    In a message dated 2/20/2007 9:33:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | Fuel up at Chinle with the 5 gal tank I carry in the jump seat and | head on into MV. | | Simple | Will Uribe Gang: Will knows how to do that, even with an extreme headwind, like last year. Are you planning on flying the FS this year, Will? john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE That is the plan, God willing and my work schedule permits it. Only this year I plan to talk some Challenger, Rans and X-Air drivers into flying with me. The problem is the Challenger driver keeps breaking his plane, the Rans may not be finished in time and the X-Air driver doesn't fly much. If we can coordinate it, The Wondering Winch and Larry will also fly with us when they return from their odyssey to San Antonio. Dave Rains will be flying his Cessna 175 and our EAA chapter president will be flying his Piper Tripacer to take the Navajo Young Eagles for a ride. Regards, Will Uribe BTW; For those of you who know Dave Rains, his mother passed away last week, may she RIP. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more.


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    Time: 09:45:03 PM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Limited Range
    Dennis I have a aux fuel system that has served me well for a number of years in my MKIIIc. I bought a cheap 6.5 gallon gas can that I attached a faucet pump to. The pump has a cigarette lighter style plug wired to it. I have a self sealing quick connect plug on the output line from the pump that I connect to its mate which fills my two five gallon tanks when flying cross country. When I get a few gallons down on my 5 gallon tanks I plug in the pump and transfer fuel. I like to keep my main tanks near full so if there are any problems with the fuel transfer process I can adjust my flight plan while I still have fuel. So far no problems other than over filling and venting fuel once or twice. This set up gives me almost four hours flying time with half hour reserve. Most of my flying is close to home so the aux system works best for me. If I had a larger main tank I would be carrying allot of extra fuel and weight that I wouldn't use or would have to worry about condensation from running with a half empty tank most of the time. Someone mentioned that they couldn't put luggage in the passenger seat with their set up but that hasn't been a problem for me. I pack a tent, cot, folding chair, sleeping bag, tie downs, brief case sized flight bag and a few other items in the passenger seat with my tank. The tent, cot, tie downs, and the chair go behind the tank and then are all seat belted into place. Again the information is worth what you paid for it. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Limited Range > <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> > > > Kolb Friends - > > All the recent discussion on bigger fuel tanks for our Kolbs has just > hit home for me. In flight planning for my first REAL cross-country > trip, I am currently making plans for the upcoming Monument Valley trip > in May. > > The cold, hard truth has suddenly become clear: ten gallons of fuel is > proving to be quite limiting for me, especially in northwest New Mexico > and the four-corners region, where we are hard-pressed to find airports > within 200 miles of each other! > > Up to now, the stock 10 gallons of fuel in my Mark-III was adequate for > local flying, and the occasional round-robin flights (usually under 100 > miles) that always begin and end at my home airport. But now I'm > finding that it's gonna take some real planning to hopscotch my way to > Goulding's without running dry en route. > > At this point, I'm considering bringing an extra 5 gal gas can with me > (full, of course) as emergency backup. In case I encounter unforcast > headwinds that would cause me to burn up all my gas before reaching my > destination, I'm thinking it would be better to land on a lonely dirt > road and refill rather than land on that dirt road and be out of gas! > > John H is right - I'm already thinking about options for more fuel > capacity. > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-III, 912ul, and only 200 miles of range, in > Cedar Crest, NM > > >




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