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1. 02:38 AM - crash (pat ladd)
2. 03:15 AM - Re: JOHN WILLIAMSONS PICTURES (pat ladd)
3. 03:34 AM - Re: crash (Mike Schnabel)
4. 03:36 AM - Re: crash (George Alexander)
5. 05:43 AM - Re: Number of hours on engine before overhaul (Ralph)
6. 06:12 AM - Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove rhaul (olendorf)
7. 07:03 AM - Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove rhaul (Beauford T)
8. 07:30 AM - Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove rhaul (olendorf)
9. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove rhaul (knowvne@aol.com)
10. 09:30 AM - Who has had an engine out in flight? (John H Murphy)
11. 09:46 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (David Lehman)
12. 09:50 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (Dana Hague)
13. 10:06 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (olendorf)
14. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine (Mark Shimei)
15. 10:26 AM - Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine (olendorf)
16. 10:46 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (blackbird)
17. 11:06 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (Jim Dunn)
18. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (Richard Girard)
19. 11:12 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (Jim Dunn)
20. 11:30 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (knowvne@aol.com)
21. 11:34 AM - Re: crash (pat ladd)
22. 11:37 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (knowvne@aol.com)
23. 11:44 AM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (David Lehman)
24. 12:00 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (knowvne@aol.com)
25. 12:38 PM - Mark 3 Xtra seats (icrashrc)
26. 12:47 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (Jack B. Hart)
27. 12:58 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (John Jung)
28. 01:23 PM - Re: Mark 3 Xtra seats (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
29. 01:43 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (olendorf)
30. 02:01 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (russ kinne)
31. 02:08 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (jim)
32. 02:10 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (GeoR38@aol.com)
33. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (Jack B. Hart)
34. 02:51 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (Richard Girard)
35. 04:18 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III Xtra Wings & fuselage for sale (Paul Petty)
36. 04:47 PM - prop hub extentions (Paul Petty)
37. 04:56 PM - Re: prop hub extentions (Paul Petty)
38. 05:25 PM - Re: prop hub extentions (Paul Petty)
39. 05:31 PM - Hello from a brand new Kolber... (rbhowell)
40. 06:26 PM - Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... (Richard Girard)
41. 06:48 PM - Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... (Bob Noyer)
42. 07:29 PM - Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
43. 07:33 PM - Kolber newbie; crying out from the darkness... :) (rbhowell)
44. 07:56 PM - Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... (Larry Bourne)
45. 08:18 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (Dana Hague)
46. 08:31 PM - Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... (rbhowell)
47. 08:53 PM - Re: Powered Parachute (Larry Bourne)
48. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... (Larry Bourne)
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<< they pulled an Ultra-lite and its pilot out of a tree near us last
week. Plane was shot but the pilot was saved. Makes running into a
barn look better!>>
Hi All,
my mate who lives in Raleigh. NC sent me this last night. Anyone know
any details?
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: JOHN WILLIAMSONS PICTURES |
It's neat to see a Kolb flying at night. >>
Hi all,
is this another freedom that you have that we don`t ?. Its illegal here to
fly after sunset.
I have flown in the dark once in my old Thruster. I was cuaght out by a
bank of cloud which covered the west. The sun went behind it and never
came out again and it got dark about an hour before time.
I picked my way along a road, following car lights, getting lower and lower
to try to hang on to the ground. Pinpointed my position at a motorway
intersection and then launched across a valley with no road, towns or lights
guided only by the lights of Bath University on a hill 5 miles away and Bath
itself about 7 miles away to my right. It was great. Like being Dracula out
for a night trip.
I picked up a couple of car headlights under me as they drove up a hill
through woods and then saw a light patch of earth which I remembered had
just been harvested. I dropped into the field, swinging violently around a
large tree which I could only see as I got low enough to catch it against
the skyline.
I sat in the plane getting my breath back and a figure loomed out of the
darkness. "Why didn`t you land in thic girt field over thur?. I didnt` like
to say `Because I couldn`t see it `
The farmer gave me a lift home, and the next afternoon with a mate and a
couple of farm hands we lifted the Thruster over a barbed wire fence into
the large field from which I took off and flew back to my home field about 3
miles away.
Very exciting. By the way `thic girt` means `that large` in my home dialect
of Wiltshire.
Cheers
Pat
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Appears to have been a Powered Parachute...
http://www.newsobserver.com/158/story/544888.html
pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
<< they pulled an Ultra-lite and its pilot out of a tree near us last
week. Plane was shot but the pilot was saved. Makes running into a barn look
better!>>
Hi All,
my mate who lives in Raleigh. NC sent me this last night. Anyone know any details?
Cheers
Pat
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Pat et al:
Might be this one. Occurred on 19 Feb.
http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=255196
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| Subject: | Re: Number of hours on engine before overhaul |
Klotz KL216 50:1 mix.
Ralph
-- knowvne@aol.com wrote:
And that SYNTHETIC OIL would Be???? 8-)
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: ul15rhb@juno.com
Sent: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine
before ove rhaul
Scott, I've got about 460 hours on my 447 and it's never been
overhauled. I've looked at the pistons and cylinder walls through the
exhaust port and it's very clean with no carbon. I attribute that to
the synthetic oil I use. My first engine had about the same hours and
it looked just as good. I don't plan on doing anything for at least
another 200 hours. Of course I fly at 5000 RPM which should be prime
for carboning up.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar, 447
20 years flying it
-- "olendorf" <olendorf@gmail.com> wrote:
I had 147 hours on the 447 and it had a good amount of carbon. I'm
glad I decided to decarbon it. The rings were free and It would have
been OK for a while longer. I run Pennsoil for air cooled engines at
50:1 premix.
After I had decarboned it I noticed some oil dripping from the front
of the engine and I had to remove the engine and replace the oil
seals. I did this at about 160 hours.
Here is how it looked before I did any decarboning. Looking at the
rings from the exhaust port always looks good. If it looks bad then
it is probably really, really, bad.
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Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove rhaul |
Yeah I wish mine didn't carbon up. I'm very comfortable with the Pennzoil so I'll
stick with it. I can get it locally so that makes it easy. I don't mind taking
the engine apart every so often and looking around. Gives me a chance to
inspect everything, clean and paint where necessary. I would have had to pull
it off to replace the oil seals even if I decided not to decarbon. Once it's
off you might as well decarbon it. Maybe if I had to send my engine off and
pay $500 I would think differently.
Everyone has to determine what is best for them for the oil they use and how they
run the engine. As long as the decision isn't "I don't know what to do or
how to do it so I'll do nothing and assume it is ok because someone else got 600
hours on their engine"
There is a guy near me that has had trouble with a 503 and all he knew how to do
was change spark plugs so he changed them twice in one week because of hard
starting. Turns out the engine needed a decarbon bad. He had about 280 hours
on it. Sold the engine, bought a 582 because it was easier for him than taking
the engine apart and decarboning it. $80 in gaskets vs. $4000-5000 and without
a plane for 6 months while installing a new engine. I'll go the $80 route.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove rhaul |
Brother Olendorf...
Carbon encrusted 447's have a special place in my life.... I still awaken
abruptly in the middle of the night, drenched in a cold sweat, having
dreampt of a glacier-like flow of the stuff oozing up from under my Simmons
to silently overtake and smother me and my VISA card in our sleep...
Short version... I have a 447... it ran fine for 88 hours...clean as a
whistle... than it began to produce carbon... slowly at first, then with
increasing speed... There ensued an endless cycle of decarbonings,
fiddling with carbueration, etc... which ultimately ended in ring seizure
from the excess carbon and a number of out-of-wallet experiences over at
Castle Lockwood with new pistons installed...
The goons wearing the black hoods and a light coat of oil over there
eventually diagnosed the problem which brought me to ruin... it was the
gradual deterioration of the rubber seat at the base of the choke (or
enrichment circuit for you purists out there) piston in the Bing 54. Over
time this condition permitted the flow of increasing amounts of raw gas onto
the Rotax...much as if the choke were gradually being applied, more with
each passing hour. The result was carbon... cubic yards of carbon....
And the insidious part of this is that the choke piston appears to be fully
seated while this process is taking place. The only way to detect it is to
remove the part and carefully examine the rubber seal installed up under the
base of the piston to see if it has shrunk up and is no longer capable of
sealing the choke metering seat.
Midway in the process, my piston crowns had developed carbon which precisely
matches what your photo shows... Heinrich, the Chief Rotaxman at the
Castle, assured me that there was absolutely no reason for a normal 447 to
make that much carbon on the pistons if the fuels were being mixed to 50:1
specification and the Pennzoil air cooled was being used.
I would suggest that you take the time to check the condition of your choke
piston before pursuing other, more arcane theories about where the carbon is
originating....
Worth what ye paid fer it....
Beauford of Brandon
FF #076
(still waiting for the stinking BRS...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "olendorf" <olendorf@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove
rhaul
>
> Yeah I wish mine didn't carbon up. I'm very comfortable with the Pennzoil
> so I'll stick with it. I can get it locally so that makes it easy. I
> don't mind taking the engine apart every so often and looking around.
> Gives me a chance to inspect everything, clean and paint where necessary.
> I would have had to pull it off to replace the oil seals even if I decided
> not to decarbon. Once it's off you might as well decarbon it. Maybe if I
> had to send my engine off and pay $500 I would think differently.
>
> Everyone has to determine what is best for them for the oil they use and
> how they run the engine. As long as the decision isn't "I don't know what
> to do or how to do it so I'll do nothing and assume it is ok because
> someone else got 600 hours on their engine"
>
> There is a guy near me that has had trouble with a 503 and all he knew how
> to do was change spark plugs so he changed them twice in one week because
> of hard starting. Turns out the engine needed a decarbon bad. He had
> about 280 hours on it. Sold the engine, bought a 582 because it was
> easier for him than taking the engine apart and decarboning it. $80 in
> gaskets vs. $4000-5000 and without a plane for 6 months while installing a
> new engine. I'll go the $80 route.
>
> --------
> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> Schenectady, NY
> http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'841#96841
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove rhaul |
Now that's some good info beauford, brother, or maybe even dad [Shocked]
Maybe I have the same condition. I did recently have the plunger out while changing
the grommet and it looked ok at that point but I wasn't inspecting it, per
say.
Maybe I'm just running too rich. I actually try to run it as lean as a can. At
5800 rpm I shoot for 1150 egt. You never really know with these things. I
check the plugs every 20 hours and they seem fine.
I'll just keep an eye on it. I wasn't actually worried about it. I just wanted
folks to see what things could look like after 150 hours. In my opinion at
150 hours the heads should at least be pulled off to look. This isn't that hard
to do. Leave the intake and exhaust manifolds on, pull the heads off, admire
your clean pistons, flip the head gaskets over and torque the heads down.
It usually boils down to people not wanting to do anything then looking for lots
of reassurance that it will be ok to ignore.
Like with cars, it really burns my britches when people have a Check Engine light
come on in their cars. They ALWAYS ask "how do I turn that light off?" That
light is on to tell you something is WRONG and they don't want to fix it they
just want the damn light off. ARRRRRG.
I wonder if these same people get serious anal bleeding and think OH MY GOD, how
am I going to get these stains out?
Ha, I crack myself up. Oh well you picked a bad day to prompt me to respond.
[Twisted Evil]
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine before ove |
rhaul
GREAT! TIP
Well worth the price 8-)
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: beauford@tampabay.rr.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine
before ove rhaul
<beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Olendorf...
Carbon encrusted 447's have a special place in my life.... I still
awaken abruptly in the middle of the night, drenched in a cold sweat,
having dreampt of a glacier-like flow of the stuff oozing up from under
my Simmons to silently overtake and smother me and my VISA card in our
sleep...
Short version... I have a 447... it ran fine for 88 hours...clean as a
whistle... than it began to produce carbon... slowly at first, then
with increasing speed... There ensued an endless cycle of decarbonings,
fiddling with carbueration, etc... which ultimately ended in ring
seizure from the excess carbon and a number of out-of-wallet
experiences over at Castle Lockwood with new pistons installed...
The goons wearing the black hoods and a light coat of oil over there
eventually diagnosed the problem which brought me to ruin... it was the
gradual deterioration of the rubber seat at the base of the choke (or
enrichment circuit for you purists out there) piston in the Bing 54.
Over time this condition permitted the flow of increasing amounts of
raw gas onto the Rotax...much as if the choke were gradually being
applied, more with each passing hour. The result was carbon... cubic
yards of carbon.... And the insidious part of this is that the choke
piston appears to be fully seated while this process is taking place.
The only way to detect it is to remove the part and carefully examine
the rubber seal installed up under the base of the piston to see if it
has shrunk up and is no longer capable of sealing the choke metering
seat.
Midway in the process, my piston crowns had developed carbon which
precisely matches what your photo shows... Heinrich, the Chief Rotaxman
at the Castle, assured me that there was absolutely no reason for a
normal 447 to make that much carbon on the pistons if the fuels were
being mixed to 50:1 specification and the Pennzoil air cooled was being
used.
I would suggest that you take the time to check the condition of your
choke piston before pursuing other, more arcane theories about where
the carbon is originating....
Worth what ye paid fer it....
Beauford of Brandon
FF #076
(still waiting for the stinking BRS...)
----- Original Message ----- From: "olendorf" <olendorf@gmail.com>
To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine
before ove rhaul
>
> Yeah I wish mine didn't carbon up. I'm very comfortable with the
Pennzoil > so I'll stick with it. I can get it locally so that makes it
easy. I > don't mind taking the engine apart every so often and looking
around. > Gives me a chance to inspect everything, clean and paint
where necessary. > I would have had to pull it off to replace the oil
seals even if I decided > not to decarbon. Once it's off you might as
well decarbon it. Maybe if I > had to send my engine off and pay $500 I
would think differently.
>
> Everyone has to determine what is best for them for the oil they use
and > how they run the engine. As long as the decision isn't "I don't
know what > to do or how to do it so I'll do nothing and assume it is
ok because > someone else got 600 hours on their engine"
>
> There is a guy near me that has had trouble with a 503 and all he
knew how > to do was change spark plugs so he changed them twice in one
week because > of hard starting. Turns out the engine needed a decarbon
bad. He had > about 280 hours on it. Sold the engine, bought a 582
because it was > easier for him than taking the engine apart and
decarboning it. $80 in > gaskets vs. $4000-5000 and without a plane for
6 months while installing a > new engine. I'll go the $80 route.
>
> --------
> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> Schenectady, NY
> http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'841#96841
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Who has had an engine out in flight? |
Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
I have twice...
First time there was a piece of something in the carb. bowl on my 503 and it
blocked my fuel flow, landed in a field...
Second time, my belt drive shaft broke and the prop fell off, landed in a
field... Oops, guess that really isn't an engine out, more like a prop
out...
DVD
On 2/23/07, John H Murphy <jhm9812@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
At 12:29 PM 2/23/2007, John H Murphy wrote:
>
>Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
Twice in my Taylorcraft (one total, valve seat came loose, one partial,
contaminated fuel)... got down OK both times. We won't count the number of
times in the PPG where it's generally a non event. The previous owner of
my Ultrastar had one, when the diaphragm in a replacement fuel pump was bad
from the start... he put it down on the runway but broke a landing gear leg.
-Dana
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But, Officer, a broadsword is hardly a concealed weapon!
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
3 engine outs for me. The first two was a loose wire attached to the coil on my
377. The 377 had been converted to CDI.
The third was on my brand spanking new 447. With 4 hours on the engine I was flying
the pattern and the engine just stopped. It was a bad CDI unit. The unit
passed all diagnostic tests using an OHM meter but it didn't work.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine |
My friend has a Firefly with 525 hours on a 447, Never
de-carboned,starts
after a few revs,and uses about 2.5 GPH just cruising around.He bought
the
engine new and flew this time in 3 =BD yrs.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax engine - Number of hours on engine |
mshimei(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> My friend has a Firefly with 525 hours on a 447, Never de-carboned,starts after
a few revs,and uses about 2.5 GPH just cruising around.He bought the engine
new and flew this time in 3 ? yrs.
>
> Mark
>
525 hours in 3 years. [Shocked] That's a serious Kolber. Get him on the forum!!
Do not archive
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
I have had 5 engine outs in the last 10 years of flying Rotax engines....all were
on a 532 with all of the mods....including aftermarket CDI....but single ignition..
Kolbra will have DUAL ignition...
All were due to the CDI unit failing.......Never tore the aircraft up....but....IT
certainly gives a new meaning to situational awareness....
Pickup coil failed.....Internal wire on the winding broke.....I'm one of them who
would take the time to literally unwind it....LOL
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
My engine quit 5 minutes into a 130 mile XC flight (not in a Kolb) and I
landed safely at a theme park. It turns out corrosion had been shaving
material off the plastic follower on the points until it quit. Replaced
parts and took off 4 hours later and completed the XC.
I sorta had one in my Kolb (self-induced). I ground-adjusted the prop to
reduce max RPM and did not tighten down the center hub enough. It went to
low rpm and would only get to 3000 rpm (not nearly enough for SAL).
Fortunately I was in the pattern and had just turned downwind after taking
off so made a landing in the opposite direction that I had just taken off.
I have also had several power losses all within 5 miles of my home field.
In each case I was able to limp back to the field. I finally figured out
the problem.
It appears engine failures are quite common in ultralights. Of the 4 of
us that fly ULs at my home field, we had 5 engines quite cold in a 30-day
period at the end of last Summer. So far, we only know what caused 3 of
them.
>
> Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
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Only one so far when the valve in the primer bulb decided it was time to
break loose. Fortunately it chose four feet off the runway and it was all a
non event although at the time it was exciting. Had it occured the day
before when I was cruising down the Arkansas River at 100 feet it would
have been a different story. The 582 was undamaged and continues on.
Rick
On 2/23/07, blackbird <blackbird754@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>
> I have had 5 engine outs in the last 10 years of flying Rotax
> engines....all were on a 532 with all of the mods....including aftermarket
> CDI....but single ignition..
>
> Kolbra will have DUAL ignition...
>
> All were due to the CDI unit failing.......Never tore the aircraft
> up....but....IT certainly gives a new meaning to situational awareness....
>
> Pickup coil failed.....Internal wire on the winding broke.....I'm one of
> them who would take the time to literally unwind it....LOL
>
>
> Wayne McCullough
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'898#96898
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
I forgot about the one in my Experimental. Engine quite < 300' AGL due to
fuel starvation after my first T&G in the CompAir-4HP I had just
purchased. I lowered the nose and turned back towards the field and the
engine restarted (lucky for me, because I had no where to go except into
trees). Corrected the fuel & vent design modifications the builder made
and it runs great now.
> My engine quit 5 minutes into a 130 mile XC flight (not in a Kolb) and I
> landed safely at a theme park. It turns out corrosion had been shaving
> material off the plastic follower on the points until it quit. Replaced
> parts and took off 4 hours later and completed the XC.
>
> I sorta had one in my Kolb (self-induced). I ground-adjusted the prop to
> reduce max RPM and did not tighten down the center hub enough. It went to
> low rpm and would only get to 3000 rpm (not nearly enough for SAL).
> Fortunately I was in the pattern and had just turned downwind after taking
> off so made a landing in the opposite direction that I had just taken off.
>
> I have also had several power losses all within 5 miles of my home field.
> In each case I was able to limp back to the field. I finally figured out
> the problem.
>
> It appears engine failures are quite common in ultralights. Of the 4 of
> us that fly ULs at my home field, we had 5 engines quite cold in a 30-day
> period at the end of last Summer. So far, we only know what caused 3 of
> them.
>
>>
>> Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
>
>
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We won't count the number of times in the PPG where it's generally a
non event.
Non event provided your not down wind of your LZ 8-)
It's 6:1 glide don't get ya real far in a head wind ...8-(
And them down wind landings when a Thermal pops cant be too healthy
either....
The only real thing ya got going for you is your Very Portable and
carry along a
Huge Hanky every time you fly.....
It's used to wipe up the mess you leave when your Canopy Collapses too
close to the deck..... 8-(
Dana
Flying a wing that's prone to collapse is Not for the Birds... 8-)
HAHAHAHAHA
20 years in the soaring sports makes one appreciate a wing with
bones...
Flying fish not Jelly fish 8-)
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thanks Mike
Pat
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You guys need to take up GOLF 8-) hahahha
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: jim@tru-cast.com
Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:04:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Who has had an engine out in flight?
My engine quit 5 minutes into a 130 mile XC flight (not in a Kolb) and I
landed safely at a theme park. It turns out corrosion had been shaving
material off the plastic follower on the points until it quit. Replaced
parts and took off 4 hours later and completed the XC.
I sorta had one in my Kolb (self-induced). I ground-adjusted the prop
to
reduce max RPM and did not tighten down the center hub enough. It went
to
low rpm and would only get to 3000 rpm (not nearly enough for SAL).
Fortunately I was in the pattern and had just turned downwind after
taking
off so made a landing in the opposite direction that I had just taken
off.
I have also had several power losses all within 5 miles of my home
field.
In each case I was able to limp back to the field. I finally figured
out
the problem.
It appears engine failures are quite common in ultralights. Of the 4 of
us that fly ULs at my home field, we had 5 engines quite cold in a
30-day
period at the end of last Summer. So far, we only know what caused 3 of
them.
>
> Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
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I would, but I don't have the balls for it...
DVD
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>
> You guys need to take up GOLF 8-) hahahha
>
> Mark Vaughn
>
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HAHAHAHAA
Mark Vaughn
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Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Who has had an engine out in flight?
I would, but I don't have the balls for it...
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You guys need to take up GOLF 8-) hahahha
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| Subject: | Mark 3 Xtra seats |
My wife has decided she would like to make the seat cushions for my plane[M3X].
We have a bunch of 'memory foam' that she plans on using for stuffing. Does anyone
have patterns, drawings, etc., of what they used? Comments and suggestions
also appreciated. Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
At 09:29 AM 2/23/07 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
>
>
John,
One engine out on the 447. From my flight log:
"June 25, 2001 Flight 144 - 3 minutes, 57:36 tt. Tried the aluminum foil
and acrylic glue on the axles and it seemed to work. Pulled it out and went
flying. Took off to the south on the center taxiway. Climbed at 6400 rpm
at 50 mphi. Just about 1500 agl the engine rpm dropped 200, and I jiggled
the throttle and it quit. Banked 180 and headed for the airport at 40 mphi.
I jigged a little to see if there was something under me that I could land
on, but it was all tall corn and beans. I made it to with in 100 yards of
the airport and landed in a bean field with the rows where the beans were
about six inches high. Took off all my gear and put it in the storage
compartment so I would not get too hot. Pulled on the rope and it started.
Got in and taxied to the end of the bean field next to the airport but had
to turn east to avoid a drainage ditch. There was a another smaller ditch
next to the main runway, so I shut down the engine and pushed the mains into
the ditch, and then grabbed the tail boom and swung the tail across the
ditch and pulled the main gear up on the edge of the main runway. Started
it and taxied it back to the hanger. Tied the tail to the pickup with my
tie down ropes and started it up. Got in and ran it up to 5600 rpm for
several minutes and it never missed a beat. Shut it down and put it in the
hangar."
Found scuffed piston. Had to replace one piston and ring set. Caused by
excessive carbon build up underneath the piston rings.
Two carburetor ice problems on 447. From my flight log:
"October 29, 2001 - Flight 196 - 20 minutes - 1 gallon - 70:01 tt. Wanted
to do some slow flight testing but while I was at 2000 agl running the
engine at 4500 rpm, the carburetor iced up. I was in cool moist air that is
sliding up from the south along a stationary front. It was hazy, and I
should have known better. I had to do a lot of jigging on the throttle to
keep it running and to get the engine running at power. Cruised back to the
airport at 5000 rpm and 200 fpm down. Had to make three right hand spirals
to get down to pattern altitude and land on the center taxiway. No problems
in the warmer air with closing the throttle."
This was a little more exciting than indicate above. I was five miles south
of the airport over the Mississippi River bottoms. No one lives there
although there all kinds of roads to land on, so it was important to point
the FireFly north and nurse it back toward home. I found I could not get
the engine to pick up if I opened the trottle in the mormal manner. By
jigging it back and forth I got it to pick up a little.
"February 17, 2002 - Flights 219, 220, and 221 - 6.75 gallons of fuel - 112
minutes - 79:00 tt. Flew down to Painton for the EAA meeting, 56 minutes -
2.75 gallons. I had a good tail wind. Took off to return to Perryville
airport and at about 200 feet the engine started to droop. Made a 180 and
landed down wind, taxied to the end of the runway and tried it again. I may
have had a little ice in the carburetor. The second time it climbed out
just fine and I flew on to Perryville."
I warmed the engine up for an extended peroid of time as I was getting in my
flight gear and talking to other EAA'ers before heading back. There had
been a heavy rain the night before so everything was wet and the humidity
was very high.
Disconnected throttle cable to the Victor 1+. From my flight log:
"April 23, 2006 - Flight 590 - 5 minutes, (estimated) - 200:45 tt, Victor 1+
120:45 - Nice wind right down runway 25. FireFly levitated. Climbed to 500
feet agl and reduced engine speed to 5,000 rpm. I was having trouble
finding a thermal to keep the climb positive. Added throttle to get on up
to 1,000 feet, and the engine dropped to an idle. I was too far and low to
spin it around and do a downwind on 7, so turned south to find a place as
close to Greenville Pike as I could. Found a green strip that looked like a
property line, but as I got closer, it looked very rough so I elected to
land in a corn stalk field with the rows. Did not seem to land all that
hard but I bent the right landing gear leg. I was less than 300 feet from a
house along the Pike. I walked over and banged on the door but no one was
home. I walked next door and found the same. As I was walking away the
owners came home and loaned me a cell phone so I could call Louise. I got
the recording. At that time two other fellows showed up. They had been
working in a woods not far a way and saw me go down. They gave me a ride
back to the airport.
I took the pick up home to get some rugs, padding, etc. Rory was brush
hogging. I waved to him and he went home and got his pickup. Louise went
back with me. We took the wings off the FireFly and placed them on top of
the pickup boxes with rug padding. Held them on with straps, and took them
to the hangar. Then we went back and to get the fuselage. I folded the
tail and placed in the pickup bed with the tailgate down. Used two straps
to the front corners of the box to pull the FireFly by the tail wheel
assembly. Then one strap as hooked back at the bumper hitch hole and
brought forward over the tailgate and hooked to the same location as the
first two straps. All were made tight, and the FireFly was towed four miles
back to the airport. It trailed very well.
The throttle linkage came loose at the spit connector. I had re-lubricated
the forward cable and it looks like the oil wicked up the cable and into the
connector. The connectors has very fine threads, so I never thought to
safety it. Bad Move!!!!
Now I will have to remove the left landing gear leg and get it straightened.
The leg is bent up and back. It was the up wind leg and it hit the ground
first. I do not remember hitting hard. I consider myself lucky in that
there was no damage caused to the tail by the corn stalks."
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
I have been flying Kolbs for the last 11 years with a 377 and then a 503. No engine
outs. In the 8 years before that, I had two engine outs. Both with engines
that someone else had rebuilt. I prefer engines that are either new, or that
I have seen the inside of.
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Surprise, AZ
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Scott
this is what I came up with for a Kolb seat and it has memory foam inside as
well
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
Jack, your logs are great. such detail. You should put them all online. I would
spend all day reading them.
Mine are more like: "saw hot air ballon." "Very smooth air."
I want to know more about this:
"June 25, 2001 Flight 144 - 3 minutes, 57:36 tt. Tried the aluminum foil
and acrylic glue on the axles and it seemed to work"
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
At least with certificated US made engines, it's a VERY rare
occurrence . I've had two, in 4800 hours -- a Continental
0-300 that was 40 years old, swallowed a valve. Apparently the LL
fuel can cause this. Got to an airport.
Second was a very low-time Lycoming 0-380 A1A, an engine with a
bulletproof reputation. Oil leak we couldn't duplicate on the ground.
Make it to a nursery (trees, not kids)
Any engine can quit. Do everything you can to avoid this (how obvious
is that??) by following the manufacturer's instructions & using only
best quality fluids. IMHO
On Feb 23, 2007, at 12:29 PM, John H Murphy wrote:
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> Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
Clyde Poser runs an Authorized Rotax repair station near Puyallup WA (he is also
a DAR for trike/fixed wing LSA). He told me he has seen lots of used Rotaxes
that the new owner was told were in great condition prior to purchase. The
new owner buys them and they crap out shortly thereafter. If you can't buy new,
his recommendation is to by a runout engine and have it rebuilt. That way
you know what you have.
John Jung wrote:
> I have been flying Kolbs for the last 11 years with a 377 and then a 503. No
engine outs. In the 8 years before that, I had two engine outs. Both with engines
that someone else had rebuilt. I prefer engines that are either new, or that
I have seen the inside of.
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N. Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
In a message dated 2/23/2007 5:02:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kinnepix@earthlink.net writes:
At least with certificated US made engines, it's a VERY rare occurrence .
I've had two, in 4800 hours -- a Continental
0-300 that was 40 years old, swallowed a valve. Apparently the LL fuel can
cause this. Got to an airport.
Second was a very low-time Lycoming 0-380 A1A, an engine with a bulletproof
reputation. Oil leak we couldn't duplicate on the ground. Make it to a
nursery (trees, not kids)
Any engine can quit. Do everything you can to avoid this (how obvious is
that??) by following the manufacturer's instructions & using only best quality
fluids. IMHO
On Feb 23, 2007, at 12:29 PM, John H Murphy wrote:
(mailto:jhm9812@yahoo.com) >
Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
I ost my 447 when a spark plug wire came off and I made a nonevent our of
gliding back to the field.
George
Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages fl
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At 01:42 PM 2/23/07 -0800, you wrote:
>I want to know more about this:
>"June 25, 2001 Flight 144 - 3 minutes, 57:36 tt. Tried the aluminum foil
>and acrylic glue on the axles and it seemed to work"
Scott,
The wheel bearings that came with my FireFly kit were very low grade
bearings. The bearing ID was much greater than the axle OD. This let the
wheels kind of flop around. In an attempt to reduce this clearance I cut
strips of aluminum foil and wrapped the axles at the bearing locations. It
helped but was not a good solution.
I found some bearings at:
Wheel Bearing - Boca Bearing, RF1222-14PP, precision bearing with seals,
$13.95 each, 1-800-332-3256, 7040 W. Palmetto Park Rd., Suite 2304, Boca
Raton, FL 33433, bearing@gate.net, http://www.bocabearings.com
I replaced the original bearing with those listed above and I have had no
further problems. These bearings have been in service since June 21, 2001
and have about 500 flights on them. The price listed above is the 2001
price.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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It wasn't until this afternoon when I found an old picture of the Kasperwing
that I remembered two more. The little Zenoah G-25 blew out the plug that
replaced the compression release. I was on base leg at the time and the
landing was uneventful. Screwed a spark plug into the hole and continued
flying until dark.
Second time I was coming back to Arlington from a short cross country to
Island Crossing and the fuel valve vibrated shut. Pulled the starter once to
no effect and set up a landing to a very muddy farm field. Darn near had a
shoe sucked off by the muck, but managed to pull the plane to a packed mud
access road. Found the problem and used the nylon tie I just happen to have
with me to tie the valve open. Now you have to picture an airplane that has
no floor but a nice supine harness for a seat. I couldn't sit down or the
wheels would begin to sink in the muck. I stood up inside the frame, rammed
the throttle to the stop and waddled a few steps until the Kwing seemed
determined to roll and fell into the harness. Fortunately that big wing
liked to fly slow and we got out of the field with no troubles. Added "tie
the fuel valve open" to the preflight check list.
Rick
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>
> In a message dated 2/23/2007 5:02:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> kinnepix@earthlink.net writes:
>
> At least with certificated US made engines, it's a VERY rare occurrence .
> I've had two, in 4800 hours -- a Continental 0-300 that was 40 years old,
> swallowed a valve. Apparently the LL fuel can cause this. Got to an airport.
> Second was a very low-time Lycoming 0-380 A1A, an engine with a
> bulletproof reputation. Oil leak we couldn't duplicate on the ground. Make
> it to a nursery (trees, not kids)
> Any engine can quit. Do everything you can to avoid this (how obvious is
> that??) by following the manufacturer's instructions & using only best
> quality fluids. IMHO
>
> On Feb 23, 2007, at 12:29 PM, John H Murphy wrote:
>
>
> Who has had an engine out in flight? Is it common or rare experience?
>
> I ost my 447 when a spark plug wire came off and I made a nonevent our of
> gliding back to the field.
>
> George
> Randolph
> Firestar driver from The Villages fl
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III Xtra Wings & fuselage for sale |
wow Jack thats cheap! Someone surely will snap that up. Did you see the mark3 classic
listed for 45K?
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | prop hub extentions |
Hey gang,
I seldom look at barnstormers but did today and noticed this photo of a prop hub
extention. It is the same type I bought 3 of before learning that it's not the
one of choice. It is tapered and uses the 1/2" bolts into the gearbox flange.
and has no lugs on the prop side. After many phone calls and my good friend
at TNK sending me the latest hub extentions they are selling, we wound up making
our own. It uses the 912 lugs on the gearbox flange and the prop side and
the 8mm bolts. I also learned that the tapered extention was used on earlier 2
cycle engines and 2 blade props. I have one of those if anyone needs one. The
extention that TNK is sending out as of late is good with one exception. on the
prop side the 912 lugs fit lose in the holes. Meaning that you would have to
hold the back of the lug with vice grips or pliers. We made ours so it is the
same press fit as the prop flange on the engine. Worked out real nice. We can
offer the aboved extention if anyone wants one for $300.00 labor is 200.00 for
machine work material is about 40 bucks.
Is anyone running one of these tapered hubs without the lugs and have the warp
hub mounted backwards useing the smaller bolt circle? If so do you think it is
safe? Darryl at warp said he would rather not see the 68"+ 3 blade used in this
configueration .
for what is worth.....
ps. I didnt try and use spell check or attach the photo to this post, the last
time the bbs vaporized my message! so what you see is what you get sorry!
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | Re: prop hub extentions |
here is the hub in question
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | Re: prop hub extentions |
here is the one i found on barn stormers
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | Hello from a brand new Kolber... |
Hi all. I bought a '95 Firestar II (7 ribs) and got it a few weeks ago. I was
practicing taxi and had moved up to crow hops when a gust lifted my left wing
and forced me to "firewall the throttle".
Well, I had to remember all I was told and to 'fly the plane to the runway'. Another
thing... banking in a turn with only a lap belt is a sobering experience.
I should mention here that I am severly handicapped as I am a Private Pilot
;) . Well I landed in a cross wind with out much incident ... the same with
6 other subsequent flights. However, that 7th flight...
I was wearing Nike tennis shoes with a slightly concave heel. Well, on my last
landing, my left foot got caught on the sheet metal and there I was with full
left rudder deflection just as the plane settled on the runway during landing....
My first ground loop :( .
Well, the damage is rather light. No structural but I damaged the windshield when
I was trying to free my foot. The end of my aileron had fabric abrased (needs
repair) and the tailwheel has has slid a bit off its axel.
Has anybody else come across this type of problem? I plan to rivet a sheet metal
piece to extend the floor. Is this a good idea?
My kindest regards to all,
Boatner
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| Subject: | Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... |
Boatner, I have size 15 feet and the footwell of a Mk3 is, well,
challenging. On my first flights I managed to get caught up in the
instrument wiring and pull it loose from it's mounting on the back of the
panel. I would never have thought it possible, but I did it somehow.
Fortunately it was only a brief panic, I recovered to prang the main gear
and had a nice visit with Mr. Press later that evening. For those of us who
buy our Kolbs, rather than building, the process of learning and adapting to
the plane and vice versa is just part of the little planes charm.
Rick
On 2/23/07, rbhowell <bhowell@teamft.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. I bought a '95 Firestar II (7 ribs) and got it a few weeks
> ago. I was practicing taxi and had moved up to crow hops when a gust lifted
> my left wing and forced me to "firewall the throttle".
>
> Well, I had to remember all I was told and to 'fly the plane to the
> runway'. Another thing... banking in a turn with only a lap belt is a
> sobering experience. I should mention here that I am severly handicapped as
> I am a Private Pilot ;) . Well I landed in a cross wind with out much
> incident ... the same with 6 other subsequent flights. However, that 7th
> flight...
>
> I was wearing Nike tennis shoes with a slightly concave heel. Well, on my
> last landing, my left foot got caught on the sheet metal and there I was
> with full left rudder deflection just as the plane settled on the runway
> during landing.... My first ground loop :( .
>
> Well, the damage is rather light. No structural but I damaged the
> windshield when I was trying to free my foot. The end of my aileron had
> fabric abrased (needs repair) and the tailwheel has has slid a bit off its
> axel.
>
> Has anybody else come across this type of problem? I plan to rivet a
> sheet metal piece to extend the floor. Is this a good idea?
>
> My kindest regards to all,
>
> Boatner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'973#96973
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... |
I have 9 1/2 EEEEEEs...and I have to fly kinda toe-in on landings
else I squash the heel brakes on FireFly.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... |
In a message dated 2/23/2007 8:31:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bhowell@teamft.com writes:
I plan to rivet a sheet metal piece to extend the floor. Is this a good
idea?
Boatner,
Yes, that is a good idea. I did it to my FireStar. Makes for smoother
sliding of the shoe heel.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Kolber newbie; crying out from the darkness... :) |
Kolbers,
I admit it, I am a newbie... I have a few questions which beg your experience...
The seat belt which came with my Firestar II is inadequate. I am looking at Microflight
Restraining System's setup for the Firestar II. Price at aircraftspruce
is $129.95 with 4 point harness. Is this good?
Secondly, I am concerned about weight and balance. Currently I am at 267 lbs (and
still dropping) I am 6"4". I am also considering the Ruggles Aircraft Scale
system for tail-dragger for 275.00; any comment?
Finally, I need to replace my short windshield. Can I go by Regal Plastics and
buy the appropriate thickness of sheet Lexan and cut it using my existing windshield
as a template? Is this smart? Can anybody recommend another place?
Thanks,
Boatner
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| Subject: | Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... |
Wow ! ! ! Shows one thing for sure - you guys sure have good
under-standing. :-) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Noyer
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hello from a brand new Kolber...
I have 9 1/2 EEEEEEs...and I have to fly kinda toe-in on landings else
I squash the heel brakes on FireFly.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
At 02:29 PM 2/23/2007, knowvne@aol.com wrote:
>
>Non event provided your not down wind of your LZ 8-)
>
>It's 6:1 glide don't get ya real far in a head wind ...8-(
When you can land on a postage stamp you generally don't have to glide too far.
> The only real thing ya got going for you is your Very Portable...
I dunno, there's something to be said for being able to cruise along 10'
high and 20mph, knowing that you can land anywhere, anytime...
A bunch of the local GA and ultralight pilots in my area have now taken up
PPG... in addition to, not instead of, their airplanes.
Still can't wait to fly my Kolb, though! Spring's coming...
-Dana
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It took me a while but I finally got it Larry.... I really laughed out loud. By
the way, my feet are size 13 so, yes, I believe I also have good "under-standing".
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| Subject: | Re: Powered Parachute |
I've given long and serious thought to a PPC, but even tho' I could land
almost anywhere in the event of an engine out, it'd be a helluva hike out in
this country. The thought of buzzing along at 20 mph at low altitude in
this canyon country sure is appealing, tho'. Gots another project to
finish 1st, too............. :-) Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Who has had an engine out in flight?
>
> At 02:29 PM 2/23/2007, knowvne@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>Non event provided your not down wind of your LZ 8-)
>>
>>It's 6:1 glide don't get ya real far in a head wind ...8-(
>
> When you can land on a postage stamp you generally don't have to glide too
> far.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber... |
:-) Sizes 15, 9EEEEEEEEEEE's, 13's..........my size 12's are humbled in
you'alls company. Sighhhh........... Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbhowell" <bhowell@teamft.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hello from a brand new Kolber...
>
> It took me a while but I finally got it Larry.... I really laughed out
> loud. By the way, my feet are size 13 so, yes, I believe I also have good
> "under-standing".
>
>
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