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1. 02:34 AM - Fw: Looks Exciting (thumb)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: Bulb bypass (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: New website (David Lucas)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Re: Bulb bypass (knowvne@aol.com)
5. 06:56 AM - Re: Snow Skis (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Snow Skis (pat ladd)
7. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Bulb bypass (pat ladd)
8. 07:26 AM - Re: Kolbs in the Wind (pat ladd)
9. 08:17 AM - Need trailer ideas for transporting a Kolb Mark III (Flyboy7)
10. 08:17 AM - Re: Snow Skis (knowvne@aol.com)
11. 08:25 AM - Re: Snow Skis (knowvne@aol.com)
12. 08:47 AM - Kolb on skis (Kirk Smith)
13. 09:49 AM - Re: Minnesota skis - Part 1 (Ralph)
14. 11:11 AM - Re: Minnesota skis - Part 1 (David Lehman)
15. 02:06 PM - Re: New website (icrashrc)
16. 02:49 PM - Bulb Bypass (frank & margie)
17. 02:49 PM - Hose Clamps (frank & margie)
18. 02:49 PM - Primer vs Choke (frank & margie)
19. 03:15 PM - FSII 12 gallon fuel tank mod (Richard Pike)
20. 03:25 PM - Re: Hose Clamps (Dana Hague)
21. 04:10 PM - Re: Kolb on skis (John Hauck)
22. 04:47 PM - Re: New website (JetPilot)
23. 05:07 PM - Re: Kolb on skis (snuffy@usol.com)
24. 05:39 PM - Re: Hose Clamps (Charlie England)
25. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Recommended Prop for my Firstar aka Argued Topics (Larry Bourne)
26. 05:48 PM - Re: Lexan door latch - how to make/where to buy (Larry Bourne)
27. 06:07 PM - Emailing: cowling flight 163, cowling flight 164, cowling flight 166, cowling flight 167, cowling flight 162 (Craig Nelson)
28. 06:09 PM - Enrichers Vs Primers (John Hauck)
29. 06:29 PM - Two Stroke Coils and Wire Attachment (John Hauck)
30. 06:32 PM - Re: Emailing: cowling flight 163, cowling flight 164, cowling flight 166, cowling flight 167, cowling flight 162 (John Hauck)
31. 06:35 PM - Re: Kolb on skis (Bill Vincent)
32. 06:42 PM - Re: Emailing: cowling flight 163, cowling flight 164, cowling flight 166, cowling flight 167, cowling flight 162 (Craig Nelson)
33. 06:49 PM - Picture of snow skis (Bill Vincent)
34. 06:53 PM - Re: Kolb on skis (John Hauck)
35. 06:53 PM - Re: Two Stroke Coils and Wire Attachment (Beauford T)
36. 06:58 PM - Re: Picture of snow skis (David Lehman)
37. 07:26 PM - Kolb crash (olendorf)
38. 07:52 PM - Re: Kolb on skis (Bob Noyer)
39. 08:04 PM - Re: Kolb crash (David Lehman)
40. 08:08 PM - Re: Hose Clamps, copper wire (Bob Noyer)
41. 11:31 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
42. 11:33 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Fw: Looks Exciting |
Not exactly Kolb related but I just thought some of you will find
this interesting. You that have dial-up it may take a few minutes to
down load. I am familiar with the type of engines he is using. They are
truly model jet engines and produce about 50 to 60lbs of thrust each.
And they burn jet fuel just like the big guys.
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From: JARED AND ANGIE SERFF
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:17 PM
Subject: Fw: Looks Exciting
Bill, I know you love flying . You should try this! -Angie
Click here: http://jet-man.com/playervideo.swf?video=jetman2007.flv
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Pat,
It is called OSHA over here. Occupational Safety and Health Administration or somesuch
nonsense. Are backup horns required on trucks and tractors in the UK?
Every time a truck or tractor is put into reverse gear here, an incredibly loud
and irritating claxon beeps until it is out of reverse gear. Of course, exposure
to that requires ear protectors which muffle the sound so much you can't
hear the guy on the ground trying to tell you something like, "You just ran over
a deaf child, please stop so we can see if he is dead."
Over here, we call braces suspenders... just so you know :-).
Thom in Buffalo
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Hey, I like that stylised outline of the Mklllxtra on your web page !
Do you sell any 'T' shirts [Wink] ?
David.
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Mark Vaughn
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From: jtriddle@adelphia.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bulb bypass
Pat,
It is called OSHA over here. Occupational Safety and Health
Administration or
somesuch nonsense. Are backup horns required on trucks and tractors in
the UK?
Thom
A buddy of mines wife just got a new Artic Cat Snowmobile and even it
has a back up alarm...
Un real...
Ya know when you think about it all vehicles should have a Forward
Alarm...
Isn't that when most accidents happen ? 8-)
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You didnt look very hard or in the right place here is the place to see the
pictures
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I started looked at some Skis on snowmobile and thought they might be just
the ticket>>
Hi
a friend of mine used the bumpers (fenders?) from an old car and flew all
one winter with them. There was a girl that he reely reely needed to visit.
Anything will do in a pinch. Incidentally he tied them on with binder twine.
Cheers
Pat
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Are backup horns required on trucks and tractors in the UK?>>
Yes they are but there was this guy justifying his job by lecturing a crowd
of roughnecks who had been repairing roads since before he was born.
Great Day in the Morning! How do these guys sleep at night knowing that
their job could be dispensed with tomorrow and no one would be a bit worse
off.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbs in the Wind |
more than once I've made flights without ever turning >>
Hi Dana
I have done it in a glider. Winch launch to around 1100 feet and then just
drop the cable and sit there and drift gently backwards. Get back beyond the
launch point and then put the nose down and land at the take off point. Fun.
Done it once in an autogyro too. We flew slower and slower until the ground
began to move forward. Strange feeling. Then the pilot said `I expect you
are wondering what would happen if the engine stopped now` and cut the
switch. We dropped the nose and autorotated straight down and landed gently
on the numbers. Quite exciting.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Need trailer ideas for transporting a Kolb Mark III |
Hi Kolbers,
I'm new to the forum and to Kolbs. I will be buying a Mark III this spring and
want to keep it at home. My issue is how to trailer. I've got mixed emotions
about open trailering for longer distances due to wind buffeting and road hazards,
but feel that an enclosed trailer is too costly and cumbersome. I'm looking
for ideas on what others are doing. Does anyone have photos of their trailers
or a web site to look at? Thanks for your help
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guess not I was looking for an attachment... Sorry
Mark Vaughn
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From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Snow Skis
You didnt look very hard or in the right place here is the place to
see the pictures
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Ahhhhhhhh NO ............
Experimental YES - Suicidal NO HAHAHAHAHA
The short water ski or Snowmobile ski approach seems to be our most
viable
options at the moment..... Their are some really creative ideas out
there...
Thanks to all who cared enough to share....
Mark Vaughn
Hi
a friend of mine used the bumpers (fenders?) from an old car and flew
all one winter with them. There was a girl that he reely reely needed
to visit. Anything will do in a pinch. Incidentally he tied them on
with binder twine.
Cheers
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| Subject: | Re: Minnesota skis - Part 1 |
Not to confuse anyone about the skis, but the carriage bolts were
used with standard nuts on top and the blind nuts were used on the
bottom front and rear with an "eye" bolt for the rigging.
Ralph
-- "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote:
-- knowvne@aol.com wrote:
HI Ralph
I saw your images on the KOLB Web site...
20 years WOW looks like they do the trick just fine...
Are they Wood a Polymer What?
Did you use Carriage Bolts on the bottom to hold
your axial assembly??
Thanks
Mark Vaughn
Mark, they are a composite material for water skis. I don't know what
material it is, but it's like hard rubber. You might contact the
Cascade water ski company and ask them. Be careful when drilling out
the holes in the skis as they have a steel rod running down the
sides.
Find them with a stud detector.
I used 5/16" carriage bolts and blind nuts (hardware store). If you
save the plans to your computer, they are clearer so you can see
everything. I made these plans about 9 years ago.
The skis slide onto the axle through the hole and are held on with
spacers and washers. They were made for the Original Firestar axle
which was 3/4". The new axle is 5/8" and I have to use an aluminum
tube which I slide over the the axle. It works great. Of course, if
they were constructed new, drill out for 5/8" w/o the tubes, but
still
need the washers.
I wax the bottoms with ordinary jelly paraffin wax purchased from a
grocery store. Take the wax and rub it on. No heat needed.
I bought the skis new from "Play-it-Again-Sports" store. They were
$75. These are cheap skis and they work well in heavy snow because of
the ski area. They are low drag too. They tailwheel rod has a
triangular oak block attached with long hose clamps to help protect
the tailwheel. The block has another purpose in offsetting the extra
weight due to winter flying clothing.
Ralph Burlingame
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From: ul15rhb@juno.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:01 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Minnesota skis - Part 1
Here are the skis I've been flying with for 20 years (see attached).
They are composite water skis with the water hardware removed.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
Minnesota
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| Subject: | Re: Minnesota skis - Part 1 |
Ralph...
Where did you get the streamline struts?...
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On 2/28/07, Ralph <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote:
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> Here are the skis I've been flying with for 20 years (see attached).
> They are composite water skis with the water hardware removed.
>
> Ralph Burlingame
> Original Firestar
> Minnesota
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We have that logo on hats, polo shirts, and coveralls but just for our own use.
The artwork is original but I don't know how happy Kolb would be with me if
i was selling a likeness of thier plane for profit. :-)
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Scott
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Ref;
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Bulb bypass
the bypass tees before and after the squeeze bulb>>
Hi all,
do you have a history of bulbs fouling over there? Bypasses seems to be
yet another complication and another flouting of the KISS priciple. I
have never noticed anyone here with a bulb bypass set up and I have
never heard of there being a problem.
Is this yet another example of the `it might happen` attitude beloved by
insurers without looking at the actual failure rate?
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I've had a bulb fail-----check valve stuck closed (fortunately on the
ground). I won't use one without a bypass anymore.
As a mattter of fact, I recently installed a Facet electronic pump, in
series, per recent discussions on this forum. (Facet #40105, low
pressure) Only problem was a leaking primer, now that it had pressure
behind it---flooded the engine when I was checking the new installation
for leaks (Pump on, engine not running) A new primer solved that.
Frank Clyma
Orange Park, FL
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REF:
From: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer versus Choke?
Re: safety hose clamps. I've used soft copper instead of
steel...won't cut fuel line, and easier to use on smaller lines. Fire
away, gridleak.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
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Bob,
Please tell us more about your copper clamps. Do you mean copper
wire vs steel, or an Ideal-type screw clamp, or? Where do you get them?
Ref the other current posts on the subject; I've had safety wire
(per Richard Pike) cut the tubing. I probably overtightened it, but
just knowing it could cut into the fuel line has scared me off. I agree
tie wraps don't seal all 360 degrees----but I sometimes still use them
where the nipple length and diameter are probably sufficient to hold the
tube without any clamp, like on the carbs. I've used small tie wraps on
the primer nipples, for 1/8 fuel line----not totally comfortable with
this, but space between the 2 nipples limits what will fit (especially
with the "out" hose being rubber automotive hose).
I've gone to rubber hose for most of my installation. Still use
clear Tygothane from carbs to pulse pump, and from carb primer ports to
where they're T'd into the 1/8 rubber hose----this allows viewing the
fuel flow to confirm the electronic pump and the primer are working.
And have 1/8 clear fuel line from the T in the main fuel line, to the in
port on the primer, due to space limitations.
I'm using Corbin clamps on most connections, rubber and Tygothane.
Use small, narrow, Ideal-type screw clamps in a few
places----particularly on the pulse pump in port; the nipple there is
small dia and short, and an air leak there could really slow down the
pulse pump action (or leak fuel onto a hot engine now that I have the
electronic pump). Also use screw clamps on the pulse line. I've
learned the hard way that screw clamps can be overtightened too, and I
don't like to use them on plastic nipples, as on fuel filters or T & Y
fittings.
This subject has seen quite a bit of discussion B4, but I'm still
looking for better answers in an area that I think bears close watching.
Frank Clyma
Orange Park, FL
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REF:
I used to have my primer ..."T'd" in my fuel line....
Just thought that was a bad idea....So it has it's own pick up tube from
the fuel
tank now.....
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
...
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...
blackbird wrote:
> Ok,
>
> The primer "t" goes after the squeeze bulb.......CPS says it must be
mounted
in the horizontal position.....New issue..
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My "T" is vertical, and seems to work fine. I kind of like Mike's idea
of a seperate pick up, however, eliminating the T altogether----the 1/8
part of the plastic T sorta seems a little flimsy, makes me wonder if it
might break-----
Frank Clyma
Orange Park, FL
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| Subject: | FSII 12 gallon fuel tank mod |
Took some pictures of the tank mods for the FSII yesterday, got the web
page done a bit ago.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSIITankMods.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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I don't like the tywraps for holding tubing; they leave one square corner
unclamped and thus prone to leakage. Worm screw clamps have the same
problem in smaller size, which is why you never see them on new cars. You
*can* buy tywraps made for round tubing:
( http://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/113/gfx/large/6705kp2l.gif ) but I've
never used them, preferring to use safety wire.
For tubing I've been using either the yellow Tygon tubing (made for fuel
and oil) or the blue stuff Aircraft Spruce sells. Over on the Quicksilver
list people don't like the blue stuff but could never give a good reason
why, only saying, "it sucks".
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb on skis |
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Snuffy/Bill V:
I remember seeing this video last year, but do not remember him coming
in hot and doing a go around. Question, how does he stop it on that
strip.?
john h
mkIII
PS: Drove through multiple cells, from Tallahassee, FL, to hauck's
holler, AL, this afternoon. When I went through Ozark, the town was
without power and the wind was howling. I did not know that
Enterprise, AL, had already been hit by a tornado. 8 dead. It
demoslished the high school. Troy, AL, rained so hard I could not
see. Just south of MGM hit another big cell of frog stragling rain.
When I got home, it had rained, but no damage. Still waiting to see
what happens before thsi big system moves through our area.
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If everyone in America had a shirt with that design on it, Kolb would be selling
a LOT of planes :) I think its a great idea, shirts, hats, coveralls, Kolb
would benefit as much as you would.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb on skis |
Question, how does he stop it on that
> strip.?
>
> john h
Don't know how he stopped. Only experience I had with skis was with
a C-120 on Federal 1500's and the places I flew in and out of
stopping was a non issue. Like on Saginaw bay. It's a good idea to
know how far yer plane will slide after touchdown and give yerself
plenty of room. You can sometimes steer into a few snow drifts as
long as there ain't no fences or stuff buried in them. I had deeper
unpacked snow on the north edge of my runway I could steer into to
slow her down quicker if needed. I stayed away from ice with no snow
on it. Also I always carried 2 short 2x4's to put under the front of
the skis so they wouldn't freeze down when I parked her.
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frank & margie wrote:
> *REF*:
> From: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer versus Choke?
>
>
> Re: safety hose clamps. I've used soft copper instead of
> steel...won't cut fuel line, and easier to use on smaller lines. Fire
> away, gridleak.
> regards,
> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Bob,
> Please tell us more about your copper clamps. Do you mean copper
> wire vs steel, or an Ideal-type screw clamp, or? Where do you get them?
>
> Ref the other current posts on the subject; I've had safety wire
> (per Richard Pike) cut the tubing. I probably overtightened it, but
> just knowing it could cut into the fuel line has scared me off. I agree
> tie wraps don't seal all 360 degrees----but I sometimes still use them
> where the nipple length and diameter are probably sufficient to hold the
> tube without any clamp, like on the carbs. I've used small tie wraps on
> the primer nipples, for 1/8 fuel line----not totally comfortable with
> this, but space between the 2 nipples limits what will fit (especially
> with the "out" hose being rubber automotive hose).
>
> I've gone to rubber hose for most of my installation. Still use
> clear Tygothane from carbs to pulse pump, and from carb primer ports to
> where they're T'd into the 1/8 rubber hose----this allows viewing the
> fuel flow to confirm the electronic pump and the primer are working.
> And have 1/8 clear fuel line from the T in the main fuel line, to the in
> port on the primer, due to space limitations.
>
> I'm using Corbin clamps on most connections, rubber and Tygothane.
> Use small, narrow, Ideal-type screw clamps in a few
> places----particularly on the pulse pump in port; the nipple there is
> small dia and short, and an air leak there could really slow down the
> pulse pump action (or leak fuel onto a hot engine now that I have the
> electronic pump). Also use screw clamps on the pulse line. I've
> learned the hard way that screw clamps can be overtightened too, and I
> don't like to use them on plastic nipples, as on fuel filters or T & Y
> fittings.
>
> This subject has seen quite a bit of discussion B4, but I'm
> still looking for better answers in an area that I think bears close
> watching.
>
> Frank Clyma
> Orange Park, FL
>
There's a relatively new 'clamp' for silicone hose that's basically a
ring of heat shrink tubing. I think that it's made by Gates. A friend
has been flying with it on his radiator hoses (alternative engine
homebuilt) for years.
I'll try to find a link if you want it.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Prop for my Firstar aka Argued Topics |
Ahhhhh, Bob. You beat me to it, on both of 'um.
Lar. Do not Archive.
On 2/27/07, Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net> wrote:
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>
> Don't forget: Crow Hopping, and Downwind Turns!
> regards,
> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Lexan door latch - how to make/where to buy |
If you want locking doors, take a look at "gullwing doors" and "left hand
throttle" in "single pictures" on my website. I made them with pickup
canopy latches. Lar.
On 2/28/07, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>
>
> Here is the latch on our Firestar II.
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Latch.html
> If you want more detailed pictures, let me know, I'll post some .jpg's on
> the forum.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812@yahoo.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:16 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Lexan door latch - how to make/where to buy
>
>
> >
> > My "summer doors" for my Firestar have just been installed. They lack
> any
> > type of latch or locking mechanism to keep them closed in flight. Any
> > ideas as to hardware to buy or to how to make would be appreciated.
> These
> > doors are hinged much like the Kolb Mark III...with the same tube steel
> > from the gap cover to the nose piece.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97795#97795
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Emailing: cowling flight 163, cowling flight 164, cowling flight |
166, cowling flight 167, cowling flight 162
<<cowling flight 163.jpg>> <<cowling flight 164.jpg>> G <<cowling
flight 166.jpg>> re <<cowling flight 167.jpg>> at <<cowling flight
162.jpg>> day for a taxi test in arizona.I checked my air speed with the
gps and it is definatly off. The winds were calm and I was indicating
100 at 5200. the gps showed 87 still no dors or windows
Uncle craig
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| Subject: | Enrichers Vs Primers |
Hi Gang:
Been reading with interest the discussions on primers and their
assorted plumbing and hardware.
I have been using what came with the engines since day one. That
includes my 912 engines, as well as Rotax two strokes. They always
work for me in all temps, low and high. The secret is to use the
prescribed procedure for starting as described in the operators
manual.
1-Throttle closed.
2-Enricher full open.
3-Hit the starter.
The enricher dumps a load of fuel initially, then continues to operate
on a larger idle jet and more air to increase rpm.
I also experienced leaking enricher on the old 447. When I discovered
what it was, put a new part in it and drove on.
The 912 carb does not use the same valve as the two stroke. It is a
rotating valve with "O" rings that seems to work better and last
longer.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Two Stroke Coils and Wire Attachment |
Buford T:
Sorry about the misinformation, reference attachment of plug wires on
your engine. Understand the newer ignitions do not use the threaded
studs, but cement the wires into the ignition modules.
The 912 uses ignition modules and also uses coils which use the same
attachment as my old 447, threaded studs.
20,000 xin loi,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: cowling flight 163, cowling flight 164, cowling |
flight 166, cowling flight 167, cowling flight 162
gps and it is definatly off. The winds were calm and I was indicating
100 at 5200. the gps showed 87 still no dors or windows
Uncle craig
Craig:
Is that a loop antenna of some sort under the nose of your Xtra?
I don't have one of those on my mkIII. ;-)
But..............if it makes you fly faster, I'll see about putting
one on the old gal.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb on skis |
Hi John
I just saw on TV that there is some really bad weather in your area, we hope
all is well.
No problem stopping on Aaron's strip with skis because we are coming in
lower and slower; also the tail wheel make a good break in certain types of
snow. My old T-Bird was so heavy in the rear that I had to have a tail wheel
ski on it. (I don't miss that plane)
Bill Vincent
FS II
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb on skis
>
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22765
>
>
> Snuffy/Bill V:
>
> I remember seeing this video last year, but do not remember him coming
> in hot and doing a go around. Question, how does he stop it on that
> strip.?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> PS: Drove through multiple cells, from Tallahassee, FL, to hauck's
> holler, AL, this afternoon. When I went through Ozark, the town was
> without power and the wind was howling. I did not know that
> Enterprise, AL, had already been hit by a tornado. 8 dead. It
> demoslished the high school. Troy, AL, rained so hard I could not
> see. Just south of MGM hit another big cell of frog stragling rain.
> When I got home, it had rained, but no damage. Still waiting to see
> what happens before thsi big system moves through our area.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Emailing: cowling flight 163, cowling flight 164, cowling |
flight 166, cowling flight 167, cowling flight 162
John it's a nose over hoop from kolb I don't think your old gal will
ever need one of those with your gear. You sit mighty nice with
Uncle craig--- ps this is winter flying in PHX it's a dry cold
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emailing: cowling flight 163, cowling flight
164, cowling flight 166, cowling flight 167, cowling flight 162
gps and it is definatly off. The winds were calm and I was indicating
100 at 5200. the gps showed 87 still no dors or windows
Uncle craig
Craig:
Is that a loop antenna of some sort under the nose of your Xtra?
I don't have one of those on my mkIII. ;-)
But..............if it makes you fly faster, I'll see about putting
one on the old gal.
john h
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| Subject: | Picture of snow skis |
Hi Gang
These are the skis I made for my Kolb. I made them out of old water skis
that I had bought at a rummage sale for $10.00. I do not recommend
making skis with metal bottoms because they will freeze to the ground.
I also put a stainless steel 3/8 inch rod down the middle of the bottom
of the ski, this keeps it from sliding side ways. I made it so that the
axel is the same height as the wheel. I find that flying with skis is
easier than with wheels, except when the snow is too sticky. Sometimes
when I am taking off I have to bounce the skis back onto the runway to
knock the snow off of the top of the skis.
Bill Vincent
FS II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
P.S. Included is a picture of Scott Trask which is Mark III on skis.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb on skis |
Thanks Bill V:
All is well at hauck's holler, but the folks down in Enterprise, AL,
did not fare so well. Last report I got was 9 dead. Tornado hit the
high school.
Seems the little kolb tail wheel would make a good brake. Just haul
back on the stick once the plane quits flying.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Two Stroke Coils and Wire Attachment |
John: ....no sweat, G.I....and certainly no xin lois req'd... I'm gonna
just go at it from the other end... I KNOW those caps screw off... It would
sure help if those nazi bastards would put something about it into the
manuals.. I spent almost 2 hours chasing that on Google and in my
documentation... never did find anything...
Really bad about what happened in Enterprise this evening... I feel for
those poor parents. Wonder if Mother Rucker got any of it...? Did you
get any at your place? Heard Wetumpka mentioned on Fox a couple of times
today...
b.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Two Stroke Coils and Wire Attachment
>
> Buford T:
>
> Sorry about the misinformation, reference attachment of plug wires on
> your engine. Understand the newer ignitions do not use the threaded
> studs, but cement the wires into the ignition modules.
>
> The 912 uses ignition modules and also uses coils which use the same
> attachment as my old 447, threaded studs.
>
> 20,000 xin loi,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Picture of snow skis |
Bill...
Like your idea of using rollers for a ramp, never thought of that... Would
probably work for floats too...
DVD
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On 3/1/07, Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Gang
> These are the skis I made for my Kolb. I made them out of old water skis
> that I had bought at a rummage sale for $10.00. I do not recommend making
> skis with metal bottoms because they will freeze to the ground.
> I also put a stainless steel 3/8 inch rod down the middle of the bottom o
f
> the ski, this keeps it from sliding side ways. I made it so that the axel
is
> the same height as the wheel. I find that flying with skis is easier than
> with wheels, except when the snow is too sticky. Sometimes when I am taki
ng
> off I have to bounce the skis back onto the runway to knock the snow off
of
> the top of the skis.
> Bill Vincent
> FS II
> Upper Peninsula of Michigan
> P.S. Included is a picture of Scott Trask which is Mark III on skis.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
--
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty thi
ngs"...
~Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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>From Orlando, FL. Orlando Sentinel :
SANDY CREEK -- The bodies of two men were discovered in the wreckage of an ultralight
aircraft Wednesday, a day after the plane was reported missing, authorities
said.
A fellow pilot spotted the wreckage of the Kolb Mark III ultralight shortly before
8 a.m. and alerted authorities, according to the Bay County Sheriff's Office.
The Bay County Sheriff's Office Search and Rescue Unit located the bodies soon
after the pilot's report, authorities said.
The bodies of the pilot, Joseph Peter Lagerloef, 69, of Panama City, and his passenger,
Claude Frank Phillips, 63, of Lynn Haven, were recovered, reports said.
The men took off from Sandy Creek Airstrip about 10 a.m. Tuesday and were reported
missing that evening, sheriff's officials said.
A flight plan had not been filed.
It was not clear where the men intended to fly.
The Federal Aviation Administration was investigating the crash.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98236#98236
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb on skis |
Not Kolb related. Yesterday 6-8 Kiowa (sp?) helos flopped down here
at Winchester VA regional, enroute Ft Rucker, from Iraq for overhaul.
They surely looked beat, the helos AND the crews. Supposed to TO at
first light today..hope they either didn't, or stopped before AL.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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May they rest in peace...
This was this morning's FAA prelim...
***************************************************************************
*****
** Report created 3/1/2007 Record 1
**
***************************************************************************
*****
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: UNREG Make/Model: ULTR Description: UNREGISTERED
ULTRALIGHT
Date: 02/28/2007 Time: 1600
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: PANAMA CITY State: FL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
UNREGISTERED ULTRALIGHT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE TWO
PERSONS ON BOARD WERE FATALLY INJURED, BAY COUNTY, PANAMA CITY, FL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2
# Crew: 2 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk
:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk
:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk
:
WEATHER: NOT REPORTED
OTHER DATA
Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: OTHER
Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: BIRMINGHAM, AL (SO09) Entry date: 03/01/2007
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On 3/1/07, olendorf <olendorf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >From Orlando, FL. Orlando Sentinel :
>
> SANDY CREEK -- The bodies of two men were discovered in the wreckage of a
n
> ultralight aircraft Wednesday, a day after the plane was reported missing
,
> authorities said.
>
> A fellow pilot spotted the wreckage of the Kolb Mark III ultralight
> shortly before 8 a.m. and alerted authorities, according to the Bay Count
y
> Sheriff's Office.
>
> The Bay County Sheriff's Office Search and Rescue Unit located the bodies
> soon after the pilot's report, authorities said.
>
> The bodies of the pilot, Joseph Peter Lagerloef, 69, of Panama City, and
> his passenger, Claude Frank Phillips, 63, of Lynn Haven, were recovered,
> reports said.
>
> The men took off from Sandy Creek Airstrip about 10 a.m. Tuesday and were
> reported missing that evening, sheriff's officials said.
>
> A flight plan had not been filed.
>
> It was not clear where the men intended to fly.
>
> The Federal Aviation Administration was investigating the crash.
>
> --------
> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> Schenectady, NY
> http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
>
>
--
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty thi
ngs"...
~Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Hose Clamps, copper wire |
I'll try to get to arpt tomorrow if Niagara Falls (local rain!) will
stop. I'll look for name on copper wire spool.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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