---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/18/07: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:44 AM - Red Bull air race (Icrashrc@aol.com) 2. 04:15 AM - Re: HKS engine install (Paul Petty) 3. 05:52 AM - Eagle Lake Hanger Update (N27SB@aol.com) 4. 06:12 AM - Re: HKS engine install (Thom Riddle) 5. 06:22 AM - Re: Eagle Lake Hanger Update (Larry Bourne) 6. 06:24 AM - Re: Red Bull air race (Larry Bourne) 7. 06:48 AM - Portable hangar? (John H Murphy) 8. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: HKS engine install (Richard Girard) 9. 07:18 AM - Re: HKS engine install (Richard Girard) 10. 07:30 AM - HKS Kitplanes Article and correct email address (Mike Welch) 11. 08:12 AM - Re: HKS Engine Report (JetPilot) 12. 08:28 AM - Re: Portable hangar? (Mike Welch) 13. 08:44 AM - Re: Portable hangar? (Ron) 14. 08:46 AM - Re: Portable hangar? (John H Murphy) 15. 09:50 AM - HKS Kitplanes Article... Here is the scanned document (JetPilot) 16. 09:51 AM - Re: HKS Kitplanes Article... Here is the scanned document (JetPilot) 17. 10:51 AM - Re: HKS engine install (John Hauck) 18. 11:03 AM - Re: Red Bull air race (John Hauck) 19. 11:11 AM - GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates (Jack B. Hart) 20. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: HKS engine install (John Hauck) 21. 03:21 PM - Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates (JetPilot) 22. 04:14 PM - Re: Red Bull air race (Larry Bourne) 23. 04:57 PM - Re: Red Bull air race/Monument Valley Kolb Flyin 2007 (John Hauck) 24. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates (Steven Green) 25. 06:06 PM - Re: Red Bull air race/Monument Valley Kolb Flyin 2007 (Larry Bourne) 26. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates (Dana Hague) 27. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates (Jack B. Hart) 28. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates (Dana Hague) 29. 08:30 PM - Brake report (R. Hankins) 30. 08:36 PM - Belatedly (Bob Noyer) 31. 10:52 PM - Re: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:12 AM PST US From: Icrashrc@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Red Bull air race The dates for this years Red Bull air races are now online @ Red Bull Air Race 2007 . There is a race scheduled for Monument Valley on May 12. I'm not sure of the date you folks had planned for the Kolb fly-in out there but thought I would pass this on. Scott ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: HKS engine install From: "Paul Petty" The principle difference between the two engines oiling systems is that the Rotax is a wet sump engine and the HKS is a dry sump i.e. Rotax pressure feeds oil to the engine after which it drains into the sump where it is picked up by the oil pump and the circulation begins again. The HKS has a second scavenging pump that picks up the oil from the sump and sends it to the oil tank, hence "dry" sump. ?????? Rick, Rotax 912's/914's are dry sump engines. They have a 3qt remote tank that the oil is returned to by crankcase pressure. Are you sure the HKS has a second oil pump that "sends it to the oil tank"???? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101352#101352 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:14 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Eagle Lake Hanger Update To All, I just saw the plans from my Builder for the new hanger. It will be 30 deep by 50' wide with a 40' x 11' one piece Hydroswing door. I could be well into construction by SnF. I hope my Firefly fits :-) steve do not archive ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:13 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine install ... the Rotax is a wet sump engine... Rick, You must not be talking about the 912 series engines if you are talking wet sump, though throughout this thread I thought the comparison was to the 912 series not the 582. Maybe I misunderstood. By the way, we installed an external oil thermostat on our 912UL last winter to help warm up the engine faster and it works well, but still have to cover the oil cooler inlet a bit to get the temps up to normal in the winters here. Thom in Buffalo do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:30 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Eagle Lake Hanger Update Dunno. You might hafta fold the wings......... :-) Lar. Do not Archive. On 3/18/07, N27SB@aol.com wrote: > > To All, > > I just saw the plans from my Builder for the new hanger. It will be 30 > deep by 50' wide with a 40' x 11' one piece Hydroswing door. I could be well > into construction by SnF. I hope my Firefly fits > > :-) > > > steve do not archive > > > ------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* . > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:19 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Red Bull air race Thanks, Scott. We're scheduled for the following weekend. Lar. Do not Archive. On 3/18/07, Icrashrc@aol.com wrote: > > The dates for this years Red Bull air races are now online @ Red Bull Air > Race 2007 . > There is a race scheduled for Monument Valley on May 12. I'm not sure of > the date you folks had planned for the Kolb fly-in out there but thought I > would pass this on. > > Scott > ill-EagleAviation.com > > > do not archive > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Portable hangar? From: "John H Murphy" Any ideas for an inexpensive hangar that I could use? I hate the idea of spending 5 to 6 thousand on a trailer that sits at the airport. Are there any portable hangars available at low cost out there? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101377#101377 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:36 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: HKS engine install Paul, Yes, it's much like the system that Harley Davidson uses. Consider that an oil pump is only two gears in a close fitting housing with a hole on either side of the gear set. When the gears turn oil is drawn in one hole and pushed out the other. To add a second pump all that must be done is add a second housing and gear set, but they can share the same drive shaft. See: http://www.hpower-ltd.com/pdf%20files/IManual_Eng.pdf page 11 Rick On 3/18/07, Paul Petty wrote: > > > The principle difference between the two engines oiling systems is that > the Rotax is a wet sump engine and the HKS is a dry sump i.e. Rotax > pressure feeds oil to the engine after which it drains into the sump where > it is picked up by the oil pump and the circulation begins again. The HKS > has a second scavenging pump that picks up the oil from the sump and sends > it to the oil tank, hence "dry" sump. > ?????? > > Rick, > > Rotax 912's/914's are dry sump engines. They have a 3qt remote tank that > the oil is returned to by crankcase pressure. Are you sure the HKS has a > second oil pump that "sends it to the oil tank"???? > > -------- > Paul Petty > Kolbra #12 > Ms Dixie > Final assembly! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101352#101352 > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:28 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine install Thom, My bad here, as the kids say. :-) I was having virtually the same discussion at the local EAA meeting last night, only comparing Lycosaurus type engines to the HKS system. I shouldn't be allowed near a computer after midnight, my brain just doesn't function. Harry's question as I understood it was about differences between cooling of the HKS and the 912 since he is nearing overhaul or replacement of the 582. Rick On 3/18/07, Thom Riddle wrote: > > > ... the Rotax is a wet sump engine... > > Rick, > > You must not be talking about the 912 series engines if you are talking > wet sump, though throughout this thread I thought the comparison was to > the 912 series not the 582. Maybe I misunderstood. > > By the way, we installed an external oil thermostat on our 912UL last > winter to help warm up the engine faster and it works well, but still > have to cover the oil cooler inlet a bit to get the temps up to normal > in the winters here. > > Thom in Buffalo > do not archive > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:25 AM PST US From: "Mike Welch" Subject: Kolb-List: HKS Kitplanes Article and correct email address Hello All, I am having a helluva time getting this HKS engine report scanned and posted. I have managed to scan it in TIF Files. Easy to read, nice and clear. But my emails keep getting rejected by Matronics. So then I scanned and sent them as JPG Files.........too large. Separated the pages and sent one at a time. Still too large! Arrg!!! Back to my original offer then. If anyone would like the complete engine report, from Kitplane's latest edition, email me and I will send the easy to read version (TIF Files) to you. Also, for those of you that have already asked and found out my email address was wrong...sorry. THIS is the correct one.....mdnanwelch7@yahoo.com. Double checking...double checking....yep, that's the right one!! Mike in 90 degree SW Utah _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: HKS Engine Report From: "JetPilot" Harry, I would not fly ANY single engine airplane over water, especailly cold water. Engines do quit, and much more often in experimental - ultralight aircraft. Many times the engine is not the problem, it is fuel system, an error in installation, etc. etc. It makes little difference why the engine quit if you end up in 40 degree seawater that will kill you in a few minutes. I have a Rotax 912 here in Florida and will not fly over water. There have been a couple cases in the last 2 years in our small club of Ultralights having to ditch in the water here due to engine fialure. As far as the air cooling of the HKS, there is nothing wrong with or unreliable about air cooling. The most reliable certified aircraft engines are all air cooled, that should not worry you. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101392#101392 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:45 AM PST US From: "Mike Welch" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Portable hangar? John, Regarding an inexpensive hangar, are you allowed to put up a "fabric type hangar? Home Depot sells a 30 X 50 waterproof tarp for about $100 or less. You could buy some 2" PVC fittings and pipe, and construct a frame. Maybe run you $300. Orient the tarp using the 50' for the width (8' up each side, 34' for the roof) I built one of these a few years ago, and the tarp lasted for 3 years. Sorry if I'm describing a hill-billy hut, and you did say "inexpensive". They probably sell this as a ready-made kit this size(motor home covers) I don't know. They work pretty good. I have other ideas, too, I just need to know your budget. Mike in SW Utah yee-haw!! _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglinemarch07 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:44 AM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Portable hangar? ---- John H Murphy wrote: ============ Any ideas for an inexpensive hangar that I could use? I hate the idea of spending 5 to 6 thousand on a trailer that sits at the airport. Are there any portable hangars available at low cost out there? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101377#101377 I got curious about that and Google for it. there are lots to choose from. Just enter Portable hangars into Google. Ron (Arizona) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Portable hangar? From: "John H Murphy" Would gladly spend under $1000. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101400#101400 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: HKS Kitplanes Article... Here is the scanned document From: "JetPilot" Mike Sent me the the scanned kitplanes article on the HKS engine, and I was able to make it small enough to post here, enjoy. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101411#101411 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hksreportpage1_158.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: HKS Kitplanes Article... Here is the scanned document From: "JetPilot" PAGE 2 -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101413#101413 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hksreportpage2_128.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:32 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine install principle | difference between the two engines oiling systems is that the Rotax is a wet | sump engine and the HKS is a dry sump i.e. Rotax pressure feeds oil to the | engine after which it drains into the sump where it is picked up by the oil | pump and the circulation begins again. The HKS has a second scavenging pump | that picks up the oil from the sump and sends it to the oil tank, hence | "dry" sump. | | Rick Rick: This may come as a big surprise to you. The 912 series engines are primarly oil cooled. Cylinders are aircooled and heads are oil and water cooled. The reason Rotax went with water cooling of the heads was the heat generated by the 912 would require very large cooling fins to cool the heads and require a much larger package. Water cooling helped make the 912 a nice tidy package. Also, the 912 is a dry sump engine that uses crank case pressure created by blow by to push the oil from the sump up to the oil tank with 3 to 5 psi. It has one pump for circulation and does not use a pump for oil return to tank. I can not speak for the HKS, but bet you that the HKS also uses blow by pressure for oil return. I may be wrong, but it will not be the first time. Take care, john h mkIII/912ULS (zero time) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Red Bull air race | | Scott Thanks Scott, I may get there a week early to watch the Red Bull Race. Never seen one before and may never get another chance to see one. Looks like the Red Bull will not interfere with our get together. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:57 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates Old Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: HKS Engine Report At 08:12 AM 3/18/07 -0700, you wrote: ...................... >Engines do quit, and much more often in experimental - ultralight aircraft. ........................... Mike, & Kolbers, I checked the FAA Accident Database & Synopses and I ran a few queries where the incident or accident was caused by "engine failure". I found that for the time period between 1/1/2002 to 3/18/2007 the following: For experimental aircraft there 24 reports with three accidents causing the death of 4 people. For general aviation there were 263 reports with 78 accidents causing the death of 156 people. >From the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, I found that the latest data available is 2004. Under the General Aviation category there were 146,613 single engine piston engine aircraft. Under the Amateur Built category there were listed 19,165 aircraft. So assuming all things equal there where 7.65 times more GA single engine piston powered general aviation aircraft registered than amateur built aircraft. But in the sweep of FAA accident Database indicates GA aircraft were involved in accidents/incidents at rate eleven times greater that amateur built aircraft. In those cases were death took place the GA rate was 26 times higher that amateur built. And for numbers killed GA was 39 times greater than amateur built. To be fair, most GA aircraft fly faster and carry more passengers than amateur built aircraft so one can expect a GA aircraft engine failure to produce greater consequences. Also one can say that GA aircraft fly more hours per year than do amateur aircraft. But, based on the available data, it is a stretch to say that amateur aircraft engine failure is more likely to happen than with GA aircraft. I could find no reliable data for ultra light vehicle engine failure. The data sources are listed below: http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_01_13.html http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:25 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: HKS engine install To add a second pump all that must be done is add | a second housing and gear set, but they can share the same drive shaft. See: | | | http://www.hpower-ltd.com/pdf%20files/IManual_Eng.pdf RickG: I looked through the entire installation manual, then went back to pg 11 and still see nothing about a return oil pump. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates From: "JetPilot" Jack, Your analysis of the figures is correct, but I totally disagree with your conclusion. You did not take into account that almost all General Aviation engine fialures are are reported, while most ultralight - experimental engine failure go unreported. Just looking at the NTSB numbers of REPORTED accidents with injurys is useless. Anyone that thinks exprimental - ultralight engine failures is lower than certified General Aviation is very misinformed about the nature of the machines we are flying. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101488#101488 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:34 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Red Bull air race John, if you're going to be there that long, you might want to check with Lorenz Tours, up behind the campground. The reservations desk can give you his phone #, and you might enjoy the ATV tour that my cousin and I went on last year. Lorenz gave a good value, but make sure you take your own water and snacks. Lar. Do not Archive. On 3/18/07, John Hauck wrote: > > > > Thanks Scott, > > I may get there a week early to watch the Red Bull Race. Never seen > one before and may never get another chance to see one. > > Looks like the Red Bull will not interfere with our get together. > > john h > mkIII > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:07 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Red Bull air race/Monument Valley Kolb Flyin 2007 | John, if you're going to be there that long, you might want to check with | Lorenz Tours, Larry: Thanks, sounds like a good idea. I have never done the MV tour either. Would be a good way to burn up a day. That leaves about two days until folks start showing up. Usually, we get there about Thursday afternoon. I'm sure, after a few days, I will be looking for stuff to do to stay occupied, besides eating Navajo Taco Salad. ;-) Will do some serious study, then make a decision on getting there early. Course, I can always sight see. There are a lot of places to fly to in the close proximity of MV. The 2007 Unorganized/Unplanned Kolb Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah, will be 18, 19, 20 May 2007. If you have never attended, you need to make an effort to go. It is a great get together of a bunch of Kolb folks. They are there because they love Kolb airplanes and to have a chance to meet up with Kolb friends we only get to see once a year at MV. I might add, a lot of us met for the first time at one of the Kolb flyins at MV. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:45 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates while most ultralight - experimental engine failure go unreported. Mike, If I read Jack's study correctly, He only used "engine failures" that resulted in a fatality and only compared GA to experimental. I doubt there are many fatal accidents in experimentals that go unreported. Steven do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:08 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Red Bull air race/Monument Valley Kolb Flyin 2007 Take a look at my webpage on that day with Lorenz last year, in MV 2006. It was a great ride. Lar. Do not Archive. On 3/18/07, John Hauck wrote: > > > > with > > > Larry: > > Thanks, sounds like a good idea. > > I have never done the MV tour either. Would be a good way to burn up > a day. That leaves about two days until folks start showing up. > Usually, we get there about Thursday afternoon. > > I'm sure, after a few days, I will be looking for stuff to do to stay > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:03 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates At 08:52 PM 3/18/2007, Steven Green wrote: > >If I read Jack's study correctly, He only used "engine failures" that >resulted in a fatality and only compared GA to experimental. I doubt there >are many fatal accidents in experimentals that go unreported. Yes, but you have to compare apples to apples. GA planes on the average almost certainly fly more hours than experimentals. Many of these hours are IFR, which increases the likelihood of a bat outcome from an engine failure. Most GA planes are larger and faster than the average experimental, so an engine failure that puts a Kolb down in a pasture might be much in, say, a Bonanza. And, of course, ultralight accidents aren't tracked at all by the NTSB any more (unless it's a high profile case like the Walmart heir and/or if they decide it's an "unregistered aircraft" rather than an "ultralight vehicle". -Dana -- -- The citizens of the United States are getting the government they deserve. The problem is that I'm also getting the government they deserve. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:08 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates At 03:20 PM 3/18/07 -0700, you wrote: ................................... > > You did not take into account that almost all General Aviation engine fialures are are reported, while most ultralight - experimental engine failure go unreported. > >Just looking at the NTSB numbers of REPORTED accidents with injurys is useless. ................................... Steve, I agree that it is possible that many ultra light vehicle and undocumented experimental aircraft incidents are unreported. But if it is an N-numbered aircraft, it seems to me that it would be difficult to under report an engine failure and a fatality. I did not query the data base for injuries or fatalities. I queried the data base for "engine failure". The number of fatalities was listed for each query match and I totaled them up. The point is that people who fly in N-numbered amateur aircraft appear to have a better chance of surviving an engine failure than those who fly in single engine piston engine GA aircraft. Where will you find better data than the NTSB database? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:03 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates At 10:46 PM 3/18/2007, Jack B. Hart wrote: >I agree that it is possible that many ultra light vehicle and undocumented >experimental aircraft incidents are unreported. But if it is an N-numbered >aircraft, it seems to me that it would be difficult to under report an >engine failure and a fatality... Fatalities for sure will get reported. But many times the pilot of an experimental (or antique) will put his bird down in a pasture for whatever reason, and just deal with the problem and get it back out of there as fast as possible... especially if he's not squeaky clean legal. And usually he CAN get it back out... a Kolb (or a Cub for that matter) will handle a rough field landing far better than, say, a Cessna 172 or a Cherokee. -Dana do not archive -- -- The citizens of the United States are getting the government they deserve. The problem is that I'm also getting the government they deserve. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Brake report From: "R. Hankins" Hello all, I finally saved enough money to put brakes on my Firestar. I chose the Back Max BX-1000 brakes made by Free Bird Innovations (FBI) in Minnesota. Steve Boetto of this list said they looked good, and I got a good feeling talking to the owner Kieth LeCleir. I also took a look at the installation manual they have on their web site and liked the simplicity of the design. I spent most of the day yesterday putting on new axle fittings and getting them aligned. The brakes mounted easily on the axles and running the brake lines took less than an hour. Getting the grip style master cylinder mounted on the stick was more challenging, but I won't bore you with the details. Bottom line is that I am very satisfied. I tested the brakes today at two paved, one gravel and one sod field with great results. They slowed me down quickly with no tendency to grab or pull to one side. I turned off on the first taxiway for the first time in my Kolb career. On the ramp, I can add throttle til the tail comes up with the stick all the way back and the brakes don't slip. As a bonus, the new brake, tire, wheel system weighs five pounds less than my original Kolb brakeless wheels and tires. At $389 for tires, wheels, axles, and brakes, it would be hard to find a better brake system deal for a Firestar. I flew 391 hrs without brakes, and now have 3 hours with them. I don't think I'll fly without them again. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101546#101546 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:32 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Kolb-List: Belatedly To all my friends in Old Blighty, a belated Mothering Sunday. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:17 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: GA & Amateur Built Aircraft Engine Failure Rates At 08:52 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: >while most ultralight - experimental engine failure go unreported. > >If I read Jack's study correctly, He only used "engine failures" that >resulted in a fatality and only compared GA to experimental. I doubt there >are many fatal accidents in experimentals that go unreported. > >Steven > >do not archive I agree with that, but I disagree that "any and all" utralight incidents go unreported. In fact I get reported every 5 or 10 years in the local paper. 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