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1. 03:07 AM - Re: Re: joke (pat ladd)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: Re: joke (Robert Laird)
3. 04:27 AM - Fuel meter (tc1917)
4. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: joke (pat ladd)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Firestar bowling Clique (pat ladd)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: Firestar bowling Clique (pat ladd)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump complication (Herb Gayheart)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: Fuel pump complication (Paul Petty)
9. 08:52 AM - Re: Fuel meter (TheWanderingWench)
10. 09:22 AM - Re: Fuel pump complication (Ron)
11. 09:24 AM - Re: Fuel pump complication (Michael Sharp)
12. 10:09 AM - Plans and Build Instructions - Tail Wheel Strut Removal (summersg)
13. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump complication (Ron)
14. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump complication (Ron)
15. 10:46 AM - Re: Plans and Build Instructions - Tail Wheel Strut Removal (Larry Cottrell)
16. 11:06 AM - Re: Plans and Build Instructions - Tail Wheel Strut Removal (Larry Cottrell)
17. 11:07 AM - Re: UL: Re:DAR needed (Bob Noyer)
18. 02:58 PM - Re: Fuel pump complication (Dana Hague)
19. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: Firestar bowling (Dana Hague)
20. 03:51 PM - Re: Firestar bowling (JetPilot)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pump complication (Larry Bourne)
22. 05:40 PM - Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (Dave Bigelow)
23. 05:51 PM - Re: Fuel pump complication (Ron)
24. 05:56 PM - Photo from a Kolb (Bill Vincent)
25. 06:03 PM - 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb (Bill Vincent)
26. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (John Hauck)
27. 06:22 PM - Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb (John Hauck)
28. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Firestar bowling (Charlie England)
29. 06:32 PM - Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb (John Williamson)
30. 07:04 PM - Re: Photo from a Kolb (Larry Bourne)
31. 07:35 PM - Re: Photo from a Kolb (R. Hankins)
32. 07:49 PM - Kolbra vs MarkIII STOL performance (R. Hankins)
33. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Firestar bowling (possums)
34. 08:24 PM - Leading edge deformation (Mike Welch)
35. 08:27 PM - Re: Kolbra vs MarkIII STOL performance (John Hauck)
36. 08:33 PM - Re: Leading edge deformation (John Hauck)
37. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (possums)
38. 08:39 PM - Re: Photo from a Kolb (Chuck Stonex)
39. 08:59 PM - Re: Leading edge deformation (possums)
40. 09:00 PM - Re: Kolbra vs MarkIII STOL performance (John Williamson)
41. 09:22 PM - Re: Photo from a Kolb (Ron)
42. 09:25 PM - Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
43. 10:00 PM - Photo taken of my Kolb (The BaronVonEvil)
44. 10:30 PM - Re: Photo taken of my Kolb (possums)
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I first started reading Pat's joke, I recognized it>>
Hi Chuck, it is a given that there is no such thing as a `new` joke. Only
variations.
We tell jokes against the Irish. You tell them against Polacks etc. I asked
a visiting African if they did the same and if so, who was the butt?
"The Ibo`s" he replied. Apparently they are a small tribe up in the
headwaters of the local river. "Same jokes"? I asked. "Just the same" was
the answer.
Though how you translate a joke about the Irish Everest Climbing Team
failing because the scaffolding fell down into Ibo I
really do not know .
Cheers
Pat
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On 3/22/07, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
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> Though how you translate a joke about the Irish Everest Climbing Team
> failing because the scaffolding fell down into Ibo I
> really do not know .
Ok, well, THAT was funny, AND I think it was new, so, you just proved
yourself wrong! ;-)
-- Robert
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Just want to tell all that our local marine supplier has one more Navman
fuel flow meter. It is the same as the one we have been talking about that
costs over three hundred bucks from aircraft spruce or where-ever. He got
me one for my sling shot and it works great. He went ahead and got all they
had, and they came from a long way away. Last two in existence I think for
that price. Anyway, if you are interested, call him at 1-334-298-1313. It
is Randall Marine, Phenix City, Alabama. He is a swell fellow and will ship
it to you. The price -- $157.95 + shipping. If you are thinking of one,
this is the one you should have. Has all the bells and whistles. Navman
2000 I think is the label. It will not be in his shop long, I guarantee.
Get it now and resell it later. Ted Cowan, Alabama.
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AND I think it was new, >>
only to you Bob. Thats how comedians work. There is always someone who
hasn`t heard it.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling Clique |
Messerschmitt 163, the rocket-propelled single-seat whizzbang took off on
a wheeled dolly, which was dropped, and
landed on a skid>>
Hi Russ,
we had an exGerman glider, a Kranich, on my gliding field. That had the
same arrangement. Care was exercised.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling Clique |
Part of the fun was going out to find and reclaim the ball, if possible.>>
Hi Ed,
thats reminds me. In 1948/9 I was posted to an artillery testing range which
fired solid shot across the mud of the Thames Estuary. Finding the shot
entailed crossing and wading through liquid mud. We soon found that even
swim suits were a bit of a drag, literally, so we often did it
,unofficially, in the nude. As we also female members of the team it was
quite a popular job.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
Scott
The ones I have had apart are totally flooded by the fuel.. brushes
and all.. The pump would not be cooled otherwise if the tank was low on
fuel.. '
Herb
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:24:31 -0700 "icrashrc" <icrashrc@aol.com> writes:
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> use the surrounding liquid as coolant. You'll have to fing out what
> fuel pressure the injection system needs to operate correctly if you
> plan on using a aftermarket external pump.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
Ron,
I will see if we offer an external pump that puts out 50-60 psi for you once you
find out the requirements. Here is something to think about tho. High pressure
fuel injection systems in cars/trucks have some sort of inertia switch in the
eletrical circut to the pump. This is a saftey item in the event the fuel line
is severd in a crash.These pumps move ALOT of fuel when not restricted! Ford
has a frame mounted high pressure pump that is pretty light weight.
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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For fuel flow meters - I strongly recommend the
Stratomaster Maxi Single FF-3 fuel computer from MGL
Avionics - $139 + shipping. I and my friends have
been using this and find it very accurate. You set up
the amount of fuel in your tank/s and your estimated
cruising speed. Then your in-flight read-out shows
gas, miles and hours remaining as you fly.
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
--- tc1917 <tc1917@hughes.net> wrote:
> <tc1917@hughes.net>
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> Just want to tell all that our local marine supplier
> has one more Navman
> fuel flow meter. It is the same as the one we have
> been talking about that
> costs over three hundred bucks from aircraft spruce
> or where-ever. He got
> me one for my sling shot and it works great. He
> went ahead and got all they
> had, and they came from a long way away. Last two
> in existence I think for
> that price. Anyway, if you are interested, call him
> at 1-334-298-1313. It
> is Randall Marine, Phenix City, Alabama. He is a
> swell fellow and will ship
> it to you. The price -- $157.95 + shipping. If you
> are thinking of one,
> this is the one you should have. Has all the bells
> and whistles. Navman
> 2000 I think is the label. It will not be in his
> shop long, I guarantee.
> Get it now and resell it later. Ted Cowan, Alabama.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
Yes exactly, I found an after market pump that does about 41 PSI, but now I need
to get the working pressure for the Suzi FI.
Ron
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---- icrashrc <icrashrc@aol.com> wrote:
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Most fuel pumps that are installed inside the tank are designed to use the surrounding
liquid as coolant. You'll have to fing out what fuel pressure the injection
system needs to operate correctly if you plan on using a aftermarket external
pump.
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Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
Ron,
I'm converting a 1.3L Zuki also. I'm using a Holley Fuel Pump. P/N 512-105.
You could also use P/N 12-920 or 12-927
I think those are the correct part no's.
If you look at Summit Racing summitracing.com they have other external pumps that
meet our requirements.
Keep in touch, Good Luck
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--It is the same the angels breathe.
Mark Twain,
Roughing it' 1886
Mike
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| Subject: | Plans and Build Instructions - Tail Wheel Strut Removal |
I recently bought a 1995 Kolb Firestar with a bent tail wheel strut. Is
there a simple way to remove the strut and rotate it? The seller had
neither the plans nor instructions for building the Firestar. Is it
worthwhile to get a copy of one or both from TNK for future projects?
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
Hi Paul
A fellow name Jeron from Raven Redrives just answered my question. He essntially
said that the engine needs around 30 psi at the FI rail and that the pump in
the link provided would work, and so would also an E-2000 fuel pump which is
what he is uses on his conversions.
Ron
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"Factory pump in tank is 60PSI if I remember correctly. Excess flow just
returns back to tank via pressure regulator over flow port. Fuel rail runs
at about 30PSI. Pump shown in link should work fine- price is OK about the
same as the E2000 we get at Autozone stores which is the one shown in our
manual. Jeron "
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---- Paul Petty <paulpetty@myway.com> wrote:
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Ron,
I will see if we offer an external pump that puts out 50-60 psi for you once you
find out the requirements. Here is something to think about tho. High pressure
fuel injection systems in cars/trucks have some sort of inertia switch in the
eletrical circut to the pump. This is a saftey item in the event the fuel line
is severd in a crash.These pumps move ALOT of fuel when not restricted! Ford
has a frame mounted high pressure pump that is pretty light weight.
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
See my post to Paul P.
Jeron says that the one in the link is good.
Ron
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---- Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com> wrote:
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Ron,
I'm converting a 1.3L Zuki also. I'm using a Holley Fuel Pump. P/N 512-105.
You could also use P/N 12-920 or 12-927
I think those are the correct part no's.
If you look at Summit Racing summitracing.com they have other external pumps that
meet our requirements.
Keep in touch, Good Luck
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The air up there in the clouds is very pure and fine...And why shouldn't it be?-
--It is the same the angels breathe.
Mark Twain,
Roughing it' 1886
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Plans and Build Instructions - Tail Wheel Strut Removal |
----- Original Message -----
From: summersg
To: Kolb-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Plans and Build Instructions - Tail Wheel Strut
Removal
I recently bought a 1995 Kolb Firestar with a bent tail wheel strut.
Is there a simple way to remove the strut and rotate it? The seller had
neither the plans nor instructions for building the Firestar. Is it
worthwhile to get a copy of one or both from TNK for future projects?
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Plans and Build Instructions - Tail Wheel Strut Removal |
Why don't you take a picture of the bent part, reduce it to about 175
kb's and post it so we can see better where and what you are dealing
with. From the description, if it were mine I would only have to take
out a bolt, pull it out and replace it.
Larry, Oregon
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----- Original Message -----
From: summersg
To: Kolb-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Plans and Build Instructions - Tail Wheel Strut
Removal
I recently bought a 1995 Kolb Firestar with a bent tail wheel strut.
Is there a simple way to remove the strut and rotate it? The seller had
neither the plans nor instructions for building the Firestar. Is it
worthwhile to get a copy of one or both from TNK for future projects?
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: UL: Re:DAR needed |
ref: http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/
designees_delegations/media/DAR-LightSport.pdf
Please note that the above chart still shows Jim Willess,
Chesterfield VA. He is still missing and presumed deceased.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
At 09:50 PM 3/21/2007, Ron wrote:
>...the fuel pump on the Suzuki is inside the fuel tank, and just to
>increase the problem it needs to be in there for the fuel to cool it off
>during its operation. How much of it is factual I am not sure...
It's correct. Furthermore you have to be careful on cars with in-tank
pumps to be careful not to run out of gas as that's a good way to fry the
pump (don't ask me how I know, but the fuel tank on a Fiero is a BITCH to
R&R). Another reason for the in-tank pump is that it prevents vapor lock
problems on the suction side, since the fuel in the lines is always under
positive pressure. Something to think about... is it impossible to put the
pump in the tank?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling |
At 12:08 AM 3/22/2007, R. Hankins wrote:
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>Now, if I could just get my hands on a watermellon.......
My home airport just closed (the usual, housing development :( ). There
was a lady who lived across the river who hated airplanes of any kind. If
you were a bit low or close on downwind, she was on the phone to the
airport manager to complain before you turned final. One day I was flying
a Quicksilver and she took and emailed pictures of me to "prove" that I was
directly over her house (I wasn't, as the pictures clearly showed). A
local PPC pilot always said he was going to bring a watermelon up on the
last day of the airport with her chimney a target. Fortunately he wasn't
as crazy as he talked...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling |
Man that looks like fun :) I need to find a supply of cheap bowling balls,
I am dreaming up all sorts of stuff... What would it look like if it hit concrete,
water, a old car, etc. etc. How high would I need to drop to get it to
terminal velocity ? Even set up a video camera at the drop. The possiblities
are endless !!!
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
I use a pair of Walbro pumps on Vamoose, in conjunction with a fuel pressure
regulator. These are designed to run outside of the tank, and are much
simpler to install. They'll put out whatever pressure you need, but need to
be exercised once in a while. I've had a couple of them gum up from sitting
so long while I fiddled with the reduction drive. Lar.
On 3/22/07, Paul Petty <paulpetty@myway.com> wrote:
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> Ron,
>
> I will see if we offer an external pump that puts out 50-60 psi for you
> once you find out the requirements. Here is something to think about tho.
> High pressure fuel injection systems in cars/trucks have some sort of
> inertia switch in the eletrical circut to the pump. This is a saftey item in
> the event the fuel line is severd in a crash.These pumps move ALOT of fuel
> when not restricted! Ford has a frame mounted high pressure pump that is
> pretty light weight.
>
> --------
> Paul Petty
> Kolbra #12
> Ms Dixie
> Final assembly!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102297#102297
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
I flew my HKS powered Firestar II this morning. Its been pretty windy here on
the Big Island for the past several days, and this was the first opportunity this
week. I wanted to put some time on the engine, so decided to bundle up and
see how high I could climb.
This morning was clear with around 100 miles visibility and calm winds on the ground
where I live at the 4,000 foot level on the west slope of Mauna Kea. Wind
over the 13,976 foot summit was 30-40 mph from the ENE.
I have the high altitude compensating manual (HACman) kit made by Jerry Olenick
at Greensky Adventures installed on the carbs. Its simple, and is fail-safe
to the normal mixture settings of the carbs. This was a good chance to test how
the system works during a long climb.
I took off and set the throttle at 5,800 RPM, the maximum continuous setting for
the engine. Climb was pretty robust up to 10,000 feet (20 minutes from 4,000
feet), but then the RPM stared falling off. I progressively leaned the mixture
using the EGT as a guide, and had to keep advancing the throttle to maintain
5,800 RPM. I cheated a bit and found an area where weak mountain wave lift
was working. It took about 45 minutes from 10,000 feet to top out at 17,200
feet. I still had a slight rate of climb, but was getting cold and hypoxic, so
decided to quit. Maximum RPM obtainable at the top was 5,500 RPM, and EGT was
1200 degrees F with the HACman fully opened to the lean position.
The engine never missed a beat. I started with 9 gallons of gas, and finished
with 2.5 gallons and 2:30 minutes of flying time. Ill probably hardly ever go
above 10,000 feet, but it is nice to know the engine can do it.
--------
Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump complication |
I suppose if I knew about that little piece of data before I had those tanks built
I would have it installed, or designed an access cover and the plumbing for
the pump inside. Now I can still do it but truth is its too much trouble and
its just as easy to keep the fuel pump outside the tank and at a low point below
the tank. There are some advantages for it to be outside the tank one of them
is easy access and easy inspection. So after considering all the things that
have been said here, I just as well keep the pump outside.
There are some other things I need to deal with now, as I understand standard fuel
lines are 1/8 or so and all my fittings are 5/8 so, now gotta do reductions.
If I wasn't really wanting to get this machine up and flying sometime in this
life time I guess I'd be screwing around with it to get it perfect, alas life
is too short.
Ron (Arizona)
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---- Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
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At 09:50 PM 3/21/2007, Ron wrote:
>...the fuel pump on the Suzuki is inside the fuel tank, and just to
>increase the problem it needs to be in there for the fuel to cool it off
>during its operation. How much of it is factual I am not sure...
It's correct. Furthermore you have to be careful on cars with in-tank
pumps to be careful not to run out of gas as that's a good way to fry the
pump (don't ask me how I know, but the fuel tank on a Fiero is a BITCH to
R&R). Another reason for the in-tank pump is that it prevents vapor lock
problems on the suction side, since the fuel in the lines is always under
positive pressure. Something to think about... is it impossible to put the
pump in the tank?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Photo from a Kolb |
Hi Gang
I took this picture last summer, early in the morning, it is near my
home town in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb |
Hi Gang
This is a picture I took of my friend Scott Trask's runway, it is
located near my home town.
A few years ago, John Hauck, John Williamson, and Richard Neilson landed
there on their way to Oshkosh.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
and finished with 2.5 gallons and 2:30 minutes of flying time. I?Tll
probably hardly ever go above 10,000 feet, but it is nice to know the
engine can do it.
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| Dave Bigelow
Dave:
Great performance.
Glad to hear the engine is doing good.
There are a lot of people out there that are waiting on a good 4
stroke replacement for the 2 strokes. This may be the one.
Before I made the big jump to an HKS though, I'd get a greater
sampling than from one engine and airframe, and one pilot.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb |
This is a picture I took of my friend Scott Trask's runway, it is
located near my home town.
Bill Vincent
Bill:
Nice shot.
That was a very intimidating airstrip the first time I landed there.
John W had a little more problem with it than I did. The Kolbra did
not have the benefit from full flaps and good brakes. Since then,
John updated his brakes. ;-)
Brings back fond memories.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling |
R. Hankins wrote:
>
> Now, if I could just get my hands on a watermellon.......
>
> --------
There's a story & video out in the wild somewhere about some
homebuilders disposing of a farmer's excess pumpkins. After various runs
they heard a call on the radio from a B-25. Imagine a 'stick' of
pumpkins leaving the bomb bay...
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb |
I would use the terms "on the edge memories" instead of "fond memories".
The Kolbra can flat use up some runway. Sure glad I had an "escape route" after
the first attempt.
Scott was a great host.
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Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Photo from a Kolb |
Pretty as a picture, Bill. Very nice. Lar.
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P.S. Did my post about the fuel pumps come thru ?? Didn't see it
here.
On 3/22/07, Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
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>
> Hi Gang
> I took this picture last summer, early in the morning, it is near my home
> town in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
> Bill Vincent
> FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Photo from a Kolb |
Very nice shot. Looks like fishing country.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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| Subject: | Kolbra vs MarkIII STOL performance |
John H & John W.
The Trask runway pictures and stories bring up a good question. How do the Kolbra
and MarkIII compare on STOL performance. It sounds like the Hauck MarkIII
handled this field somewhat easier. If this is the case, is it due to horsepower
differences, setup differences between the two craft, flaps or non-flaps?
Is the difference between these two planes designed in, or a result of the modifications
of the builders?
I have been contemplating which two seat Kolb I would like to build when I graduate
from the Firestar. I love the looks, centerline seating and cruise of the
Kolbra, but don't want to give up short field ability.
Looking forward to the Alvord,
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1992 KXP 503
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling |
At 02:58 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote:
>
>At 12:08 AM 3/22/2007, R. Hankins wrote:
>>
>>Now, if I could just get my hands on a watermellon.......
>
>My home airport just closed (the usual, housing development :( ).
>Fortunately he wasn't as crazy as he talked...
>
>-Dana
Oh!...... come on, you guys can't tell me that at least some of you
haven't done watermelon drops before.
I don't mean on houses near the airport - but at your flyins at least??
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| Subject: | Leading edge deformation |
To All,
About a month ago, someone posted a photo of their leading edge of the
wing. It appeared to have a significant amount of depression due to
on-coming air. That strikes me as a big no-no!!
Ok, here's the question. Since I haven't covered my wings yet, is
there a way to help overcome this situation? I have an idea or two, and I
want to run it past those who know something on the subject.
Idea #1 Run another line of 3/8" tubing 10" back from and parallel to
the leading edge (or whatever distance looks like it would do the most
good. (This certainly would keep the fabric from depressing as much)
Idea #2 Double up the fabric on the front upper 18". By adding an
extra layer along the most affected area, I would think this also would do
quite a bit of good.
I know neither of these methods would add more than a few ounces to the
weight of the plane, so I know weight isn't a really big issue. Is any of
this worthwhile, or am I just wasting my worries on a non-event?? (In
other words, was the photo taken of the leading edge deformation doing 110
mph???
Mike in SW Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra vs MarkIII STOL performance |
How do the Kolbra and MarkIII compare on STOL performance.
|
| Looking forward to the Alvord,
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| --------
| Roger in Oregon
Roger:
I don't think you can beat either the Kolbra or the mkIII. I am not
talking about the mkIII xtra because I don't have enough experience
flying it to make any pertinent, accurate comments.
With the same power plants, both aircraft are great stol birds. My
mkIII has a landing advantage with 40 degrees of flaps. I am
patiently waiting to fly Paul Petty's new Kolbra which will be
equipped with full flaps. I do not know how many degrees he will be
able to droop them.
Both tandem and side by side aircraft have their on advantages and
disadvantages. I like the increased cruise the Kolbra has over the
mkIII, but I also like the way my mkIII is configured better with more
cargo room, and a left seat to use for a flight desk.
I always said if I ever built another airplane, it would be a Kolbra.
However, I don't see a new airplane in my future. I have to wear out
the one I have first, and I am about to mount a new engine and finish
up several updates that will keep the old bird flying for many more
years.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
PS: I am ready for the Alvord myself.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
edge of the
| wing. It appeared to have a significant amount of depression due to
| on-coming air. That strikes me as a big no-no!!
| Mike in SW
Utah
Mike:
Where do you guys come up with these questions of procedures we have
been doing for years with great success.
If you cover and shrink the fabric correctly, you will not have a
problem with funky leading edge fabric. Those depressions of the
fabric serve a purpose. that is why Homer did not put a metal or wood
leading edge on the wing.
Mine has depressions and flies pretty good.
john h
mkIII With depressed fabric
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
At 08:40 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote:
>
>I flew my HKS powered Firestar II this morning, so decided to bundle
>up and see how high I could climb.
>I took off and set the throttle at 5,800 RPM, the maximum continuous
>setting for the engine. Climb was pretty robust up to 10,000 feet
>(20 minutes from 4,000 feet), but then the RPM stared falling
>off. I progressively leaned the mixture using the EGT as a guide,
>and had to keep advancing the throttle to maintain 5,800 RPM. I
>cheated a bit and found an area where weak mountain wave lift was
>working. It took about 45 minutes from 10,000 feet to top out at 17,200 feet.
>
>--------
>Dave Bigelow
I think that has to be close to a record for a FireStar. I've been to 13+
& I know that Will has been close to 16 or 17? I also know that it's
friggin cold up there even if
it's 80%F on the ground. I don't really think you have the time up to
experience the oxygen
deportation - what ever - lack of oxygen, you know what I mean.
We have a "Girl" that I'm ashamed to say is the "president" of our
club (sorry about that Beauford).
She also has had a HKS on her machine for about 3 years now. It
actually seems to work after a
few minor start up problems.
Whatever you do, don't let your wife read this.
http://www.maine2keys.com/
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Gotta be a couple of lunker bass in there some where!!!!!!!!!!
Chuck
From: emailbill@chartermi.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Kolb-List:
Photo from a KolbDate: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:55:23 -0500
Hi Gang
I took this picture last summer, early in the morning, it is near my home t
own in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
At 11:33 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote:
>
> | About a month ago, someone posted a photo of their leading
>edge of the
>| wing. It appeared to have a significant amount of depression due to
>| on-coming air. That strikes me as a big no-no!!
>Mine has depressions and flies pretty good.
>
>john h
>mkIII With depressed fabric
no no !! ..we have discussed this several times before. Even if you put
metal on the leading edges back 6 or 7 inches, it doesn't make any difference.
I think Dennis has some info on that in the archives. Kind of like
the dimples on
a golf ball. Things that are smooth don't always fly better. Kind of like why
shark skin is "rough" like sand paper. Kind of like "Vortex Generators".
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra vs MarkIII STOL performance |
Hi Roger and all,
When I went into Scott's airstrip, I had the Jabiru 2200 engine on the Kolbra with
a 58", 2 blade Warp Drive prop. That combination made for a very shallow approach
path when compared to the 912 ULS with a 68", 3 blade Warp Drive prop.
With my upgraded brakes, 912 ULS and 3 blade prop, Scott's strip would be no problem.
On our concrete runway, with just me and fuel on the Kolbra (964 lbs) I can get
it in the air (no wind) in 200 feet. From touchdown to full stop takes me about
400 feet (the tail is up most of the process because I'm heavy on the brakes).
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Photo from a Kolb |
Hi Lar
yes I read your post on the pumps. I saved it for later reference.
thanks
Ron (Arizona)
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---- Larry Bourne <biglar@gogittum.com> wrote:
============
Pretty as a picture, Bill. Very nice. Lar.
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P.S. Did my post about the fuel pumps come thru ?? Didn't see it
here.
On 3/22/07, Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hi Gang
>I took this picture last summer, early in the morning, it is near my home
>town in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
>Bill Vincent
>FS II
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb |
Bill
Great photos! I have much better memories of Scott's strip as I look at
the widened strip in this photo. Back when John W. John H. and I landed
there it was quite a bit more narrow at the halfway point. When I 1st
landed there I just lined up and went for it. After I taxied back thru
the narrow section I was surprised just how close the trees were to my
wing tips. Bill, Scott and the rest of the gang thought I was over
reacting but from the cockpit it looked like the wing tips were touching
the trees on both sides. Those U.P. boys hone their landing skills very
well.
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Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Vincent
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:02 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb
Hi Gang
This is a picture I took of my friend Scott Trask's runway, it is
located near my home town.
A few years ago, John Hauck, John Williamson, and Richard Neilson
landed there on their way to Oshkosh.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Photo taken of my Kolb |
Hi All
Here is a photo taken of my Firestar II making a low pass at a friend's flying
field here in southeastern Washington State.
Guys just want to have fun too! :D
Carlos G.
AKA
BaronVonEvil
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| Subject: | Re: Photo taken of my Kolb |
At 01:00 AM 3/23/2007, you wrote:
>
>Hi All
>Here is a photo taken of my Firestar II making a low pass at a
>friend's flying field here in southeastern Washington State.
>
>Guys just want to have fun too! :D
You da Man !
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