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1. 02:04 AM - Re: Leading edge deformation (John Cooley)
2. 03:40 AM - Re: Leading edge deformation (Denny Rowe)
3. 03:42 AM - Re: Leading edge deformation (Denny Rowe)
4. 05:36 AM - Oxygen deprivation (Richard Girard)
5. 05:42 AM - Re: Leading edge deformation (Richard Girard)
6. 06:00 AM - Re: Photo taken of my Kolb (knowvne@aol.com)
7. 06:29 AM - Re: Leading edge deformation (Vic Peters)
8. 07:06 AM - Re: Kolbra vs MarkIII STOL performance (Paul Petty)
9. 07:15 AM - Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb (Paul Petty)
10. 08:00 AM - Re: Leading edge deformation (R. Hankins)
11. 08:11 AM - Re: Photo taken of my Kolb (The BaronVonEvil)
12. 08:21 AM - Re: Leading edge deformation (icrashrc)
13. 08:47 AM - Re: Photo taken of my Kolb (John Williamson)
14. 08:57 AM - Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer (John H Murphy)
15. 09:06 AM - Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective (Thom Riddle)
16. 09:10 AM - Re: Oxygen deprivation (JetPilot)
17. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb (John Hauck)
18. 09:46 AM - Learning from others (Mike Welch)
19. 09:58 AM - Re: Learning from others (John Hauck)
20. 10:08 AM - Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer (Beauford T)
21. 10:31 AM - Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer (Beauford T)
22. 10:42 AM - Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer (Larry Cottrell)
23. 10:57 AM - Fly-in (Terry)
24. 11:40 AM - Old guys vs new guys (Mike Welch)
25. 11:40 AM - Re: Fly-in (John Hauck)
26. 11:47 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?EAA_PROVIDING_SUPPORT_TO_FAA_FOR_E-LSA_REGISTRATIONS_AT_SU?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?N_'N_FUN? (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
27. 12:20 PM - Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective (WillUribe@aol.com)
28. 01:10 PM - Re: Oxygen deprivation (Bob Noyer)
29. 01:15 PM - Re: Photo taken of my Kolb (The BaronVonEvil)
30. 01:25 PM - Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective (russ kinne)
31. 02:19 PM - Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective (JetPilot)
32. 02:40 PM - Re: Leading edge deformation (planecrazzzy)
33. 03:28 PM - Re: EAA PROVIDING SUPPORT TO FAA FOR E-LSA REGISTRATIONS AT SUN 'N FUN (Richard Girard)
34. 03:56 PM - HKS oil system clarification (Richard Girard)
35. 04:17 PM - Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (David Kulp)
36. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge deformation (Mike Welch)
37. 05:12 PM - Re: HKS oil system clarification (Herb Gayheart)
38. 05:45 PM - Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (Bob Noyer)
39. 06:08 PM - Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective (John Williamson)
40. 06:12 PM - Re: HKS oil system clarification (Richard Girard)
41. 06:16 PM - Picture 3 taken from a Kolb (Bill Vincent)
42. 06:23 PM - Re: HKS oil system clarification (Herb Gayheart)
43. 06:26 PM - Picture 4 taken from a Kolb (Bill Vincent)
44. 06:31 PM - Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (Beauford T)
45. 06:39 PM - Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (Dana Hague)
46. 06:46 PM - Re: Picture 4 taken from a Kolb (knowvne@aol.com)
47. 06:50 PM - Re: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb (knowvne@aol.com)
48. 07:12 PM - Re: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb (Bill Vincent)
49. 07:21 PM - Re: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb (Bill Vincent)
50. 07:25 PM - Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (Dave Bigelow)
51. 07:32 PM - Re: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb (knowvne@aol.com)
52. 07:43 PM - Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (Richard Pike)
53. 08:05 PM - Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (jhauck@elmore.rr.com)
54. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective (Bob Noyer)
55. 10:34 PM - Re: HKS oil system clarification (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Leading edge deformation |
To All,
About a month ago, someone posted a photo of their leading edge of the
wing. It appeared to have a significant amount of depression due to
on-coming air. That strikes me as a big no-no!!
Hi Gang,
Mike: You can minimize the scalloping by using the right ironing technique
and the fabric will be very tight between the nose ribs. It's been a while
for me, but you basically iron between the nose ribs before ironing the rest
of the wing. Give Jim and Dondi Miller a call at Aircraft Tech Support for
detailed info(Polyfiber dealers). They are a great asset when it comes to
covering and painting.
Good luck.
Later,
John Cooley
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7:44 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
Also follow Jim and Dondi Millers instructions when shrinking the wing
fabric to minimize leading edge scalloping between the ribs.
If I recall correctly you iron the leading edge fabric first concentrating
between the ribs and false ribs.
D Rowe, Mk-3
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
Whoops, I should have learned by now to read all my mail before replying,
well said John C, you beat me to the punch.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cooley" <jcooley380@hughes.net>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:03 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Leading edge deformation
>
>
> To All,
>
> About a month ago, someone posted a photo of their leading edge of
> the
>
> wing. It appeared to have a significant amount of depression due to
> on-coming air. That strikes me as a big no-no!!
>
>
> Hi Gang,
> Mike: You can minimize the scalloping by using the right ironing technique
> and the fabric will be very tight between the nose ribs. It's been a while
> for me, but you basically iron between the nose ribs before ironing the
> rest
> of the wing. Give Jim and Dondi Miller a call at Aircraft Tech Support for
> detailed info(Polyfiber dealers). They are a great asset when it comes to
> covering and painting.
> Good luck.
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
>
> --
> 7:44 AM
>
>
> --
> 7:44 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Oxygen deprivation |
>From FAR 91.211
(a) *General. *No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry=97
(1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including
14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with
and uses supplemental oxygen for that part of the flight at those altitudes
that is of more than 30 minutes duration;
During a flight around Mt. St. Helens a few years ago, I discovered the
rationale for this limitation first hand. I was taking a friend up to take
some pictures of the mountain and because of winds aloft we had to make the
flight at 13,500'. As we passed through 12,000 feet I started a stop watch.
We were 20 minutes into it and my friend had just moved back into the front
seat (we were in a C182). As I was busy keeping a close watch for other
traffic, I didn't notice immediately that she was bent over with her head
between her knees. When I asked if she was all right, she said she was fine
except she couldn't see. I began a descent as soon as I was sure we were
clear of any other traffic. I monitored her condition on the way down and
her vision gradually returned. We landed at a small airport west of the
mountain as planned for a picnic lunch. While eating lunch, I heard an
airplane in the distance and looked up. I could not distinguish the aircraf
t
from all the other objects that seemed to be there. It was almost two hour
s
before my vision cleared.
When I asked my doctor about it later, he said it was my reaction to oxygen
deprivation. I asked if it was normal to have such a reaction so much later
and after returning to sea level, he said it apparently is for me.
My friend is 5' 1" and barely 100 lb. I am 6' 1" and 210 lb. Both of us are
in fairly good shape. We both had a reaction, based upon our individual
tolerance to lack of sufficient oxygen. Your reaction may be different,
still, but it will be individual to you. If you don't know what that
reaction might be, you might want to consider taking along a portable oxyge
n
system. Finding myself blind at the controls of an airplane is not where I
would ever want to be.
Rick
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
NACA did wind tunnel tests in the 30's to see if the shrinkage between ribs
had any effect on the lift or drag of the wing. They found it was
negligible.
Do your best work, per plans, and relax.
Rick
On 3/23/07, Denny Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> Whoops, I should have learned by now to read all my mail before replying,
> well said John C, you beat me to the punch.
> Denny Rowe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Cooley" <jcooley380@hughes.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:03 AM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Leading edge deformation
>
>
> >
> >
> > To All,
> >
> > About a month ago, someone posted a photo of their leading edge of
> > the
> >
> > wing. It appeared to have a significant amount of depression due to
> > on-coming air. That strikes me as a big no-no!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Gang,
> > Mike: You can minimize the scalloping by using the right ironing
> technique
> > and the fabric will be very tight between the nose ribs. It's been a
> while
> > for me, but you basically iron between the nose ribs before ironing the
> > rest
> > of the wing. Give Jim and Dondi Miller a call at Aircraft Tech Support
> for
> > detailed info(Polyfiber dealers). They are a great asset when it comes
> to
> > covering and painting.
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Later,
> > John Cooley
> >
> > --
> > 7:44 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 7:44 AM
> >
> >
>
>
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Photo taken of my Kolb |
Carlos
Have you ever tangled with any of those infamous East Washington Dust
devils ? 8-)
I haven't personally but no pilots who have..... Chelan WA is an
Awesome area for
XC Hang Gliding . Lots of open places to land and lots of Ripping
Thermals to climb in....
Friends have reported 1,500 to 2,000 fpm Climb rates... YAHOO 8-)
Now where did i put that chute handle 8-)
BTW on May 1 - 5th there will be a Speed Gliding Comp. their in
Chelan... The event is essentially A
Race course set up on the Mt side... Course is full of control gates
pilots must fly through in their Hang Gliders......
This is one of the longest running Events in the US and Speeds of 80+
mph are reached in the race to the bottom...
Makes quite the show if you standing at any of the control gates...
Pilots will be diving past you just feet off the deck.....
A Pilot meeting is set for 7:30 AM, May 1, at Lakeside Park, Chelan,
Washington. if interested...
Here is a site with some details...=
ww.cloudbase.org ( click Events )
Mark Vaughn
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From: grageda@innw.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Photo taken of my Kolb
Hi All
Here is a photo taken of my Firestar II making a low pass at a
friend's flying
field here in southeastern Washington State.
Guys just want to have fun too! :D
Carlos G.
AKA
BaronVonEvil
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
Funny you should ask Mike.
I just read somewhere, sorry don't know for sure where.
The depressions between ribs seem to have no effect on performance but a
ridge does. Kolbs don't have that ridge. If you add a lateral piece of
tubing you may do more harm than good.
If I can find the source I will pass it along.
Vic
912 UL Extra
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra vs MarkIII STOL performance |
Roger,
You should have seen John W land at our strip! He stopped long before most everyone
even starts to think about touching down. When he got out Charley said "heck
man the runway starts over there!"
Take Care
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb |
John,
"That was a very intimidating airstrip the first time I landed there."
Was it as intimidating as Harris hollow?
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
Mike:
I think where you went astray is the assumption that the depression between ribs
is due to "oncoming air". If this were true, it would be a no-no. The depressions
are a natural result of shrinking the fabric over the Kolb wing. Take
a good look at the on ground and in-flight pictures posted on this site and others
and you will see that the depressions do not change from "oncoming-air".
I did a quick search of my pictures and found these two shots that might help
prove my point.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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| Subject: | Re: Photo taken of my Kolb |
Hi Mark, Possums,
Thanks for "You da Man" Possums. Mark, So far so good as to avoiding those nasty
dust devils. I usually stay well clear of those nasties.
If I get a chance I will try and make it up to Chelan for the race. It sounds
like it could be fun to watch! :)
Best Regards
Carlos G
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
Idea #1 Run another line of 3/8" tubing 10" back from and parallel to
the leading edge (or whatever distance looks like it would do the most
good. (This certainly would keep the fabric from depressing as much)
Please do not do this. You will drastically change the airfoil characteristics,
and almost certainly not for the better.
--------
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Photo taken of my Kolb |
Hey Carlos,
Where in southeastern Washington State were you at?
Where do you fly out of?
You need to think about going down to the Alvord desert in May to join a group
of 4 or more Kolbs planning a Gathering after Monument Valley.
For the record, Chelan is not in southeastern Washington State. I grew up in eastern
Washington and northern Idaho, I'm now in Texas. The scenery is much nicer
in the Northwest!
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer |
I'm trying to figure out how to secure my aircraft while in an enclosed trailer.
Has anybody used "e-tack"? E-tack I understand is used to secure race cars in
trailers. On a similiar note what areas of the aircraft best suited to securing
the aircraft to the trailer? I'm guessing the wheels would be a prime area
to keep from moving.
Someone mentioned the idea of welding an "I" bolt to the underside of the cockpit
to help keep the aircraft fixed in place.
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| Subject: | Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective |
This is NOT KOLB related other than to say that flying a Kolb or other LSA is a
lot more fun than what these guys had to endure on this flight. I'm sure our
resident ex-airline pilot, John W, will appreciate this story.
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2007/03/23/askthepilot225/
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen deprivation |
That shows an incredibly low tolerance to altitude, you must not be in as good
a shape as you think... I have flown up to 18,000 feet with zero effects, and
have gone up 15,000 feet on my motorcycle. I have done heavy excercise and
spent the night above 12,000, all with zero ill effects. If you are in poor
shape, smoke, etc. etc. you need to be careful for that, but just because it
happens to you does not mean it will happen to others.
I know lots of guys that go to high altitude from sea level, and I never heard
anything as severe as what you are talking about. I would be worried if I were
you, that is really not normal for someone that does not smoke and is in reasonable
health.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Photo taken from a Kolb |
Paul:
I landed at Scott Trask airstrip first.
That probably took some of the intimidation out of landing at Harris
Hollow. Another contributing factor was very early in the morning and
flying without the benefit of coffee. I knew there was coffee on the
ground and nothing was going to stand in the way of that first,
second, and third cup.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Learning from others |
To All,
Thanks for feedback re: leading edge deformation. Not knowing whether
this is an area of concern or not, I wanted to get some advice. I generally
fly a Cessna and I know darn well that its wing's leading edges don't do
that same thing. Also, being fairly new to the group, there was no way I
knew this was ever discussed in the past.
However, I have taken the advice quite well, and I will be sure to cover
exactly as the book says!!
Thanks for setting me straight.
Mike in SW Uath
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| Subject: | Re: Learning from others |
I generally
| fly a Cessna and I know darn well that its wing's leading edges
don't do
| that same thing. |
| Mike in SW Uath
Mike:
I believe the Cessna wing is a different animal with harder wings.
Hopefully, the Cessna wing will not look like a Kolb wing in flight.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer |
Brother Murphy:
Suggest you go to George Alexander's excellent website and look there under
"TRAILERING A KOLB"...
You might get some ideas from what is available there...
Worth what ye paid fer it....
Beauford
FF# 076
Brandon, FL
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>
> I'm trying to figure out how to secure my aircraft while in an enclosed
> trailer. >
>>
>
> ==============
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer |
...and that website can be found at:
http://gtalexander.home.att.net/
Beauford.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford T" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer
>
> Brother Murphy:
>
> Suggest you go to George Alexander's excellent website and look there
> under
> "TRAILERING A KOLB"...
> You might get some ideas from what is available there...
>
> Worth what ye paid fer it....
>
> Beauford
> FF# 076
> Brandon, FL
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out how to secure my aircraft while in an enclosed
>> trailer. >
>>>
>>
>> ==============
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer |
----- Original Message -----
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to secure my aircraft while in an enclosed
> trailer. Has anybody used "e-tack"?
Hi,
What I did was to bolt a block to the floor of the trailer to act as a
stop for the rear side of the wheels, since my biggest fear was the tail
jamming into the front of the trailer. I then welded hooks at the front and
back of the trailer at a point in front and behind the wheels, then used
ratchet straps (big ones) to cross secure the plane, using the legs for
holding points. I hauled the plane from Lincoln Neb. to Oregon, then to MV
with no problem.
As Beauford says check Georges's site to get other ideas for the trailer.
Larry
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Gentlemen,
Homer Kolb has decided to host a Fly-in again this year at his Farm on
Saturday, June 16th., Fathers Day Weekend. He and Clara have enjoyed
the other fly-in's we had there and they are looking forward to seeing
flying friends and their aircraft again!
For those of you that do not know, Homer's farm is just outside of
Spring City, PA near the Schuylkill River, NE of Philadelphia, PA.
I hope you can put this on your calendar and make the flight.
I guarantee you will enjoy your time there.
Coordinates are: N 40- 09-36.36
W 075-32-46.68"
That same weekend there is a fly-in at Shreveport North in York
County which is near Wellsville, PA, from Friday through Sunday.
It is a major Ultralight event each year. They have lodging and
food available and some have used it as a stop over on the way to/or
from Homer's in the past. Look it up at: footlightranch.com
Some of us camp out over there.
Come back to where it all began for us Kolb flyers!
Terry - FireFly #95
P's. Pray for good weather!
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| Subject: | Old guys vs new guys |
To All, (and especially John H and Rick)
As I said "thanks for setting me straight". I do realize there are
those that have been on this site, and around Kolbs in general, for a long
time. Personally, I have a very thick skin. Your comments were well taken
and you didn't hurt me none!!
I know there are some new guys that are a little wet behind the ears (me
included),when it comes to what you can or can't do, to make that Kolb your
own special bird. I would like to think
most of us new types are fairly resilient and aren't so sensitive that we
run and hide when someone with a lot more experienced in these matters gets
a little harsh or impatient.
If I ask a stupid question, tell me "that's a stupid question". But if I
never ask, how am I going to build a plane as nice as John's, or Rick's, or
Paul's, etc. etc.
Besides, if I wanted to know the meaning of brash, my wife would tell
me to look in the dictionary, and I would find a picture of me. : )
Best to all, Thick
skinned in SW Utah
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| Saturday, June 16th., Fathers Day Weekend.
| Terry - FireFly #95
Terry:
I have missed the others, but will try to fly up for this one.
Be sure and give us a reminder as time draws nearer.
Thanks,
john h
mkIII
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?N_'N_FUN?
I'm not sure exactly what this will do for you but I just got this
announcement from the EAA. It appears that they are providing a short
cut to getting your plane registered as a E-LSA at Sun N Fun for the
first 50 people that apply. See the attached web site
http://www.sportpilot.org:80/news/070322_registrations.html
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective |
Greetings,
Been there done that. In the thirteen years flying the friendly skys I have
been delayed for more then 24 hours or stuck in an MD80 for 3 hours on the
ground at DFW because a thunderstorm took out the electricity and couldn't move
the jet-ways. I have also rented cars when a flight was diverted due to
weather.
Next month I will be working at John Deere in Horicon, Wisconsin for two
weeks.
Are there any Kolb pilots in the area, is this a place worth spending a
weekend? I'm trying to figure out if it's easier to fly into Madison or
Milwaukee.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
_http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/_ (http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective
This is NOT KOLB related other than to say that flying a Kolb or other LSA
is a lot more fun than what these guys had to endure on this flight. I'm sure
our resident ex-airline pilot, John W, will appreciate this story.
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2007/03/23/askthepilot225/
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen deprivation |
Some 41 yrs ago, when I was 41 yrs younger, on one ferry trip from
VNY to Washington DC area, I was tired of previous trips via PSP and
ABQ, so decided to use the high route on the old com'l exam: Alamosa
CO to Walsenburg CO, filing for 13K eastbound IFR. Taxiing by an
airline Convair 340 at Alamosa, the pilot, who had hear me on radio,
sneered "You gonna get that toy over the humps?" My only discomfort
at 13k was that my cigar kept going out unless I kinda breathed in
almost continually thru the soggy thing. Later I had to go to 15 to
avoid some rotors. No more cigars.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Photo taken of my Kolb |
Hi John W,
I live in Walla Walla,WA.. I have a hangar and fly out of Martin airfield (S95)
in College Place, WA. The photo was taken at a Friend's R/C model strip in
Louden, WA.
I have often thought of making the pilgrimage to the Alvord Fly-In but, it is at
a busy time of year for me. Hopefully sometime soon I'll manage to get away
from the dirty four letter word called "Work" and have a little fun at Alvord.
8)
Best Regards
Carlos G
AKA
BaronVonEvil
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective |
Will
I sympathize with your commercial-flight delays -- but if there are
TRWs around I wanna be on the ground anyway.
Last Sat I had a flite cancelled; was offered a TUESDAY nite flite;
no thanx. Rented a car & drove 16 hrs. It happens!
I've toyed with lousy wx quite enough, scared myself silly, don't
need any more.
Grounded Russ
On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:20 PM, WillUribe@aol.com wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Been there done that. In the thirteen years flying the friendly
> skys I have been delayed for more then 24 hours or stuck in an MD80
> for 3 hours on the ground at DFW because a thunderstorm took out
> the electricity and couldn't move the jet-ways. I have also rented
> cars when a flight was diverted due to weather.
>
> Next month I will be working at John Deere in Horicon, Wisconsin
> for two weeks.
> Are there any Kolb pilots in the area, is this a place worth
> spending a weekend? I'm trying to figure out if it's easier to fly
> into Madison or Milwaukee.
>
> Regards,
> Will Uribe
> FireStar II N4GU
> El Paso, TX
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:06 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective
>
> <thomriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> This is NOT KOLB related other than to say that flying a Kolb or
> other LSA is a lot more fun than what these guys had to endure on
> this flight. I'm sure our resident ex-airline pilot, John W, will
> appreciate this story.
>
> http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2007/03/23/askthepilot225/
>
> Thom in Buffalo
> do not archive
>
>
> AOL.com.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective |
I am always happy to be stuck on the ground when there are thunderstorms around
also. Its when it looks bad and they go anyways is what makes me unconfortable.
As far as sitting in the plane, the plane is usually more confortable than those
rock hard, small seats in the terminal. People dont realize, with so much air
traffic these days, delays are going to happen. Its kind of like it rains
and you are driving, if you are the only car on the road, you can deal with it
and it will not slow you down much... But if it rains in the middle of rush
hour, the traffic jams can be horrific and cost you a lot of time.
Flying into major airports these days is like rush hour most of the time, delays
will happen when the weather gets even a little bad.
Mike Bigelow
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
Was this the picture ???
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: EAA PROVIDING SUPPORT TO FAA FOR E-LSA REGISTRATIONS AT |
SUN 'N FUN
Rick et al, Guys you have to read this announcement very carefully. The FAA
is only offering to help get your registration. If you started immediately
after reading this e-mail, you could have that part of the process done and
the registration in your hand BEFORE Sun n Fun even starts. The real trick
is getting your airworthiness certificate and operating limitations and the
sooner you start the easier that becomes.
Rick
On 3/23/07, Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure exactly what this will do for you but I just got this
> announcement from the EAA. It appears that they are providing a short cut to
> getting your plane registered as a E-LSA at Sun N Fun for the first 50
> people that apply. See the attached web site
>
> http://www.sportpilot.org:80/news/070322_registrations.html
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
> *
>
>
> *
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>
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"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | HKS oil system clarification |
John, You were right, the HKS doesn't have two oil pumps.
I got the HKS service manual in the mail today along with an extra set of
spark plugs. Once I made sure the spark plugs were the correct ones, I
opened the manual and the section detailing the disassambly of the oil pump
was the first place I headed with great curiosity.
Looking at the oil system diagram in the installation manual and looking at
the engine castings, I could have sworn that it had two pumps. The
arrangement of the oil lines just didn't make sense unless there was a
second pump. Why would the engineers spend the time and effort to use three
castings to make the oil pump if there weren't two pumps?
When you're wrong, well, you're just wrong. There shouldn't be any beating
around the bush, or hemming and hawing. Just admit you're wrong and get it
over with.
So John, guys, I was wrong. I'm sorry if I led any of you astray. The HKS
engine doesn't have two oil pumps.
It has three.
Do I get half credit? :-)
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
Hi to all the crazies who get a kick out of watching things smoosh from
a great height,
I've been reading a lot of the posts about Firestar Bowling,
watermelons, etc., and I haven't seen any reference to a fun contest
that's kind of similar. Have any of you unrolled a roll of toilet paper
from a pre-determined AGL and then chased it down, seeing who can cut
through it the most times?
Dave Kulp
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge deformation |
To Mike and Jaz,
Wow!! Yes, that is the picture I was referring to. Boy, it sure
doesn't look near as bad as I remember. Plus, the shadowing excetuates the
depressions, making them look a little worse than they obviously are. (Which
aren't that bad after all.)
Thanks, Mike, for doing the research and helping me see that this
situation really isn't an issue, at all. Livin' and learnin'
....... Thanks for you guy's help! Mike in SW Utah
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>From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge deformation
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:40:20 -0700
>
>
>Was this the picture ???
>
>Gotta Fly...
>Mike & "Jaz" in MN
>
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>.
>.
>.
>.
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| Subject: | Re: HKS oil system clarification |
Rick
Sneaky post..:-) now---why three?? Herb
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:56:02 -0500 "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
writes:
John, You were right, the HKS doesn't have two oil pumps.
I got the HKS service manual in the mail today along with an extra set of
spark plugs. Once I made sure the spark plugs were the correct ones, I
opened the manual and the section detailing the disassambly of the oil
pump was the first place I headed with great curiosity.
Looking at the oil system diagram in the installation manual and looking
at the engine castings, I could have sworn that it had two pumps. The
arrangement of the oil lines just didn't make sense unless there was a
second pump. Why would the engineers spend the time and effort to use
three castings to make the oil pump if there weren't two pumps?
When you're wrong, well, you're just wrong. There shouldn't be any
beating around the bush, or hemming and hawing. Just admit you're wrong
and get it over with.
So John, guys, I was wrong. I'm sorry if I led any of you astray. The HKS
engine doesn't have two oil pumps.
It has three.
Do I get half credit? :-)
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
And don't forget the Arkansas chicken/turkey? drop.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective |
Hi All,
If you got time to spare, go by air.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: HKS oil system clarification |
Herb, I couldn't resist.
One pump, the bottom one in the stack is called the feed pump, the other two
are just called inner pumps, so I surmise they are the scavenge pumps. There
are two lines going from the pump housings to the oil tank, so my guess is
that one of the scavenge pumps picks up the pressure line and sends the oil
to the tank through the oil cooler, the other scavenge pump picks up all oil
drained into the crankcase and sends it directly to the tank. At least
that's how I'd do it. This would account for the low oil temperatures seen
by Dave Bigelow and me. The oil temp sensor is at the bottom of the tank
next to the line going to the feed pump. The only way to know for sure is to
tear it down and physically trace the internal oil passages. With any luck
at all I'm 998 hours from doing that.
Rick
On 3/23/07, Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Rick
>
> Sneaky post..:-) now---why three?? Herb
>
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:56:02 -0500 "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
> writes:
>
> John, You were right, the HKS doesn't have two oil pumps.
> I got the HKS service manual in the mail today along with an extra set of
> spark plugs. Once I made sure the spark plugs were the correct ones, I
> opened the manual and the section detailing the disassambly of the oil pump
> was the first place I headed with great curiosity.
> Looking at the oil system diagram in the installation manual and looking
> at the engine castings, I could have sworn that it had two pumps. The
> arrangement of the oil lines just didn't make sense unless there was a
> second pump. Why would the engineers spend the time and effort to use three
> castings to make the oil pump if there weren't two pumps?
> When you're wrong, well, you're just wrong. There shouldn't be any beating
> around the bush, or hemming and hawing. Just admit you're wrong and get it
> over with.
> So John, guys, I was wrong. I'm sorry if I led any of you astray. The HKS
> engine doesn't have two oil pumps.
> It has three.
> Do I get half credit? :-)
>
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
>
> *
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listmatronics.com
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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"Ya'll drop on in"
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when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Picture 3 taken from a Kolb |
Hi Gang
In answer to the fishing questions...Yes, the fishing is good in our
area...but not great; at this time there is 30 inches of ice on the
lakes, and lots of ice fishing all winter long.
This is a picture of my friend Bob's runway, I found that the wheels
have to be on the ground just past the driveway or there is no
stopping....but the stop is worth it because he always has the coffee
on!
Bill Vincent
FS II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: HKS oil system clarification |
Rick
Wondering why one pump would not work..with the oil gravity feeding
back to the tank. Herb
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:12:24 -0500 "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
writes:
Herb, I couldn't resist.
One pump, the bottom one in the stack is called the feed pump, the other
two are just called inner pumps, so I surmise they are the scavenge
pumps. There are two lines going from the pump housings to the oil tank,
so my guess is that one of the scavenge pumps picks up the pressure line
and sends the oil to the tank through the oil cooler, the other scavenge
pump picks up all oil drained into the crankcase and sends it directly to
the tank. At least that's how I'd do it. This would account for the low
oil temperatures seen by Dave Bigelow and me. The oil temp sensor is at
the bottom of the tank next to the line going to the feed pump. The only
way to know for sure is to tear it down and physically trace the internal
oil passages. With any luck at all I'm 998 hours from doing that.
Rick
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| Subject: | Picture 4 taken from a Kolb |
Hi Gang
This is my friend Joe's runway.
He rents the land and the owner refuses to let him cut the 2 big trees
from the sides of the runway, it make it is a "tight" squeeze.
I find that it is worse taking off from there than it is landing. ( I
call it threading the needle ) :-)
Bill Vincent
FS II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
Done that, Sir.... Science experiment.... One of Ma's White Leghorns
out of a 7AC Champ @ 6K feet over 12 Mile Island in the Ohio, just
northeast of Louisville....was 1957.... Results were inconclusive....
Despite immediate split-S and "pull", never visually reacquired the
test partner following her hotly contested departure from the
aircraft....No vapor trail, no burning feathers, no nothing... Can only
assume she was capable of substantially more than the 129 IAS limit on
the Champ....
...they do this in Arkansas...?
Beauford
FF #076
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Noyer
And don't forget the Arkansas chicken/turkey? drop.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
At 07:17 PM 3/23/2007, David Kulp wrote:
>Hi to all the crazies who get a kick out of watching things smoosh from a
>great height,
>
>I've been reading a lot of the posts about Firestar Bowling, watermelons,
>etc., and I haven't seen any reference to a fun contest that's kind of
>similar. Have any of you unrolled a roll of toilet paper from a
>pre-determined AGL and then chased it down, seeing who can cut through it
>the most times?
Used to do it all the time in my T-Craft. Always wanted to get one of
those industrial TP rolls that are about 2' diameter. In the PPG's we drop
balloons and try to catch them again (not as easy as it looks).
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Picture 4 taken from a Kolb |
Hey do the have Beavers in Michigan ? hahahahahhahah 8-)
Mark Vaughn
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From: emailbill@chartermi.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Picture 4 taken from a Kolb
Hi Gang
This is my friend Joe's runway.
He rents the land and the owner refuses to let him cut the 2 big trees
from the sides of the runway, it make it is a "tight" squeeze.
I find that itis worse taking off from there than it is landing. (
I call it threading the needle ) :-)
Bill Vincent
FS II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb |
Ah ya want to move the Trailer off the threshold. 8-) Nice spot 8-)
Mark Vaughn
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From: emailbill@chartermi.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb
Hi Gang
In answer to the fishing questions...Yes, the fishing is good in our
area...but not great; at this time there is 30 inches of ice on the
lakes, and lots of ice fishing all winter long.
This is a picture of my friend Bob's runway, I found that the wheels
have to be on the ground just past the driveway or there is no
stopping....but the stop is worth it because he always has the coffee
on!
Bill Vincent
FS II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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From: <knowvne@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb
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> Ah ya want to move the Trailer off the threshold. 8-) Nice spot 8-)
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> Mark Vaughn
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: emailbill@chartermi.net
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 9:16 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb
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> Hi Gang
> In answer to the fishing questions...Yes, the fishing is good in our
> area...but not great; at this time there is 30 inches of ice on the
> lakes, and lots of ice fishing all winter long.
> This is a picture of my friend Bob's runway, I found that the wheels
> have to be on the ground just past the driveway or there is no
> stopping....but the stop is worth it because he always has the coffee
> on!
> Bill Vincent
> FS II
> Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb |
Hi Mark
Actually the trailer belonged to Bob's friend and it originally was
parked at the end of the runway, but when he saw me circling his field
he moved it to where you see it in the picture. :-)
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
Flew the HKS Firestar again this morning. This time, I went down to the coast
and did some whale watching and buzzed some outrigger canoe paddlers. The engine
is running great, and is a real performer at 1,000 feet density altitude.
When I returned home, I did some landings and take offs at my home strip for
the camera.
Im not doing too well keeping the oil temperature in the optimum operating range
because of the wide range of altitudes and temperatures I operate in here on
the Big Island. I am going to install a thermostat in the oil system when I
do the first oil change.
John Hauck is right about operating experience with this engine/airframe combo
being needed before making a final judgment. Ill periodically update this thread
as I get more time on the engine. I highly recommend that anyone who decides
to do the conversion contact Jerry Olenick of GreenSky Adventures for the
mounting kit he is going to produce. Hes a great guy, and has been available
for help during every step of the project.
The whole conversion was done without cutting or drilling a single part of the
Firestar frame. Its a bolt-on conversion.
http://www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/home.htm
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Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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| Subject: | Re: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb |
Now THATS a FBO hahahaha 8-)
Mark Vaughn
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From: emailbill@chartermi.net
Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Picture 3 taken from a Kolb
Hi Mark
Actually the trailer belonged to Bob's friend and it originally was
parked at the end of the runway, but when he saw me circling his field
he moved it to where you see it in the picture. :-)
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
Back in 1966 I was a line boy at MAC in Opa-Locka when they were the 2nd
busiest airport in the world (flight schools) and another idiot lineboy
took a C150 out to the practice area and threw out a roll of TP, slicing
it up on the way down. One problem - the fluttering paper sort of
leveled out, and he hit it end on, and stuffed about 50' of it into the
cowl, where it collected atop the cylinders. The engine got hot, and he
barely made it back in. He wanted me to help him fish out all the shards
of paper, but I told him to do it himself. He was scared to death he had
cooked the engine and would have to pay for it, so he blistered his arms
up pretty good fishing out all that mess.
A Kolb would not have that problem. Being flown by an idiot, that is...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: David Kulp
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 7:17 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity
Hi to all the crazies who get a kick out of watching things smoosh
from a great height,
I've been reading a lot of the posts about Firestar Bowling,
watermelons, etc., and I haven't seen any reference to a fun contest
that's kind of similar. Have any of you unrolled a roll of toilet paper
from a pre-determined AGL and then chased it down, seeing who can cut
through it the most times?
Dave Kulp
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
One problem - the
> fluttering paper sort of leveled out, and he hit it end on,
> Richard Pike
Richard:
The best toilet paper for cutting is Scott Commercial. The primary
reason is the tube is glued to the end of the roll. It acts as a
weight to get the roll unrolled, and it keeps the paper vertical. Cut
cases of it back in the good old days of the mid 80's with the
Firestar.
We also had baloon popping contest with helium baloons at the Flight
Farm, Monterey, NY, when I attended 1988 and 89. Very difficult to
pop a baloon with a Kolb because of the pusher prop. Had to aim for
the baloon to skim the side of the fuselage to get sucked into the
prop.
Paper was a decending drill and baloons was a climbing drill.
Both were fun and good training for flying and feeling the Kolb,
especially staying well ahead of the aircraft.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective |
Time to spare, go by air. More time yet, go by jet.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: HKS oil system clarification |
Herb, I have no idea. Radial engines use a dry sump system because there's
no place to put a sump and any drain back would be into the lower cylinders.
Harley uses it because there's no way, no reasonable way, anyway, to get the
tank below the engine. Nascar uses it partly for that reason and partly
because it allows them to carry much more oil than a wet sump would. Perhaps
this engine started life fitting into a different application and a dry sump
was required for it. Interesting to try and reverse engineer it, though.
Rick
On 3/23/07, Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Rick
>
> Wondering why one pump would not work..with the oil gravity feeding back
> to the tank. Herb
>
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:12:24 -0500 "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
> writes:
>
> Herb, I couldn't resist.
> One pump, the bottom one in the stack is called the feed pump, the other
> two are just called inner pumps, so I surmise they are the scavenge pumps.
> There are two lines going from the pump housings to the oil tank, so my
> guess is that one of the scavenge pumps picks up the pressure line and sends
> the oil to the tank through the oil cooler, the other scavenge pump picks up
> all oil drained into the crankcase and sends it directly to the tank. At
> least that's how I'd do it. This would account for the low oil temperatures
> seen by Dave Bigelow and me. The oil temp sensor is at the bottom of the
> tank next to the line going to the feed pump. The only way to know for sure
> is to tear it down and physically trace the internal oil passages. With any
> luck at all I'm 998 hours from doing that.
>
> Rick
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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