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1. 03:46 AM - Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (N27SB@aol.com)
2. 06:08 AM - newbie (joe)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Oxygen deprivation (Thom Riddle)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: newbie (Bob Dalton)
5. 07:17 AM - Re: newbie (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 10:12 AM - Re: newbie (JetPilot)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: newbie (Bob Noyer)
8. 11:07 AM - Re: newbie (Paul Petty)
9. 11:53 AM - Re: Fly-in (Ron)
10. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective (Ron)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: newbie (knowvne@aol.com)
12. 01:06 PM - Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (possums)
13. 01:40 PM - Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity (Bob Noyer)
14. 02:17 PM - Re: Fly-in (Eugene Zimmerman)
15. 02:27 PM - Re: newbie (JetPilot)
16. 03:08 PM - Learning to fly...whatever!!! (Mike Welch)
17. 05:24 PM - Re: Fly-in (Ron)
18. 05:45 PM - Re: Fly-in (possums)
19. 05:49 PM - Planning a flight Oregon to Texas and on to MV (TheWanderingWench)
20. 05:56 PM - Fantastic Kolb websites (Mike Welch)
21. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: newbie (Dana Hague)
22. 06:28 PM - Web address (Jimmy)
23. 06:43 PM - Re: Learning to fly...whatever!!! (JetPilot)
24. 06:48 PM - Re: Planning a flight Oregon to Texas and on to MV (Mike Welch)
25. 06:49 PM - Re: Web address (Eugene Zimmerman)
26. 07:09 PM - heading in the right direction (Mike Welch)
27. 07:17 PM - Re: Fantastic Kolb websites (planecrazzzy)
28. 07:28 PM - flight path: Oregon to Texas and on to MV (jam-n)
29. 07:37 PM - flight plan: Oregon to Texas and on to MV (jam-n)
30. 08:01 PM - Monument Valley - when in May? (John H Murphy)
31. 08:02 PM - Re: Web address (Larry Cottrell)
32. 08:04 PM - Re: Web address (Bob Noyer)
33. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: Firestar bowling (Rick Pearce)
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
I seem to remember someone a few years ago admitting that they dropped a
roll on takeoff, only to have it bounce into the prop. Let the games begin
steve b
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Hello,
I've been reading here for a couple of weeks. Brand new to flying. Barely started
hang gliding in 1980 and the new wife got pregnant, maybe I had a little
something to do with that, but she stopped it, "not going to raise this child
alone." Now three grown boys later, I am ready to go at it again, she still doesn't
like the idea, but will relent I'm sure. I went in ppcs for half a dozen
flights and tried to get into that, but found it boring. I think I want to
fly ultra lights. I joined the local ultralight club, but it has been so windy
no one brings thier plane to the monthly meeting. Knowing that I know nothing,
I'm just looking to get some rides and start learning. Then decide what
I want. After looking around on the internet I think I want to end up with a
Kolb, though again, "I know nothing."
I don't want to make this too long, just want to say hi and try to learn from you.
Plan on asking some stupid questions, hope you don't mind.
Joe Klerekoper
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen deprivation |
Rick - Thanks for the personal story. I never new that sight loss was a symptom
of oxygen deprivation. I've flown to as high as 12,500 for less than 30 minutes
due to the regulation and fortunately had no problem, either then or afterwards.
I've been tempted to see how high our Allegro will go since it has a claimed
service ceiling of about 18,000 feet. But since I don't have an oxy system
I've not tried it but been tempted to. Your story convinces me not to try it
without oxy.
Several years ago I took my 91 year old father up Pikes Peak which is abit over
14,000 feet and he started feeling faint so we headed down and he was fine by
the time we got down to the tree line. When I was in my early 30s I went to the
top of Pikes, and walked around with no ill effects but on this trip with my
father, when I was in my early 50s walking was a lot more tiring. I have never
smoked and have outstanding lung capacity and a bit overweight but otherwise
in good shape.
As is the norm for government regulations, the 12,500 for more than 30 minutes
rule is set on the conservative side for the most vulnerable-to-oxygen-deprivation
among the pilot population. Others may not need it until much higher, but
as Rick stated, some do. BTW it is not merely a function of physical conditioning
that determines the oxygen level that is tolerated by any individual. Unless
the FARs have changed, airliners are required to maintain cabin pressure
of no more than 8,000 feet.
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Thom in Buffalo
Have you noticed since everyone has a camcorder these days no one talks about
seeing UFOs like they used to?
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Joe,
You are in the right place and have found the right "Aircraft". Everyone
here is terrific and very knowledgeable, welcome! Where are you located?
Bob D.
Manteca, CA
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Craig Nelson's Kolb(Ariz.) - "Beautiful"
Bob Dalton
wiserguy@comcast.net
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: newbie
Hello,
I've been reading here for a couple of weeks. Brand new to flying. Barely
started hang gliding in 1980 and the new wife got pregnant, maybe I had a
little something to do with that, but she stopped it, "not going to raise
this child alone." Now three grown boys later, I am ready to go at it
again, she still doesn't like the idea, but will relent I'm sure. I went in
ppcs for half a dozen flights and tried to get into that, but found it
boring. I think I want to fly ultra lights. I joined the local ultralight
club, but it has been so windy no one brings thier plane to the monthly
meeting. Knowing that I know nothing, I'm just looking to get some rides
and start learning. Then decide what I want. After looking around on the
internet I think I want to end up with a Kolb, though again, "I know
nothing."
I don't want to make this too long, just want to say hi and try to learn
from you. Plan on asking some stupid questions, hope you don't mind.
Joe Klerekoper
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In a message dated 3/24/2007 9:09:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
okjoek2000@yahoo.com writes:
I think I want to fly ultra lights. I joined the local ultralight club, but
it has been so windy no one brings thier plane to the monthly meeting.
Knowing that I know nothing, I'm just looking to get some rides and start
learning. Then decide what I want. After looking around on the internet I think
I
want to end up with a Kolb, though again, "I know nothing."
I don't want to make this too long, just want to say hi and try to learn
from you. Plan on asking some stupid questions, hope you don't mind.
Joe Klerekoper
Welcome Joe,
The only true ultralight that Kolb currently produces is the Firefly. It is
a joy to fly and has features such as easy wing folding. You can find used
ones, build one or even have one built for you. If on the other hand you are
looking for a "Looks like an Ultralight" but is a real airplane, Kolb still
comes in at the top of the hill. I am sure you will get a lot of help here.
Good Luck
Steve Boetto
Firefly 007 on Floats
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Hi Joe,
Ultralights are pretty safe IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Its the guys that
get an ultralight, that know nothing about aviation and flying that get themselves
killed on a regular basis. It will take dedication, and a willingness and
ability to learn a lot on your part to do this safely. It will take knowlege
as well as having the judgement and coordination to fly safely. Not everyone
can learn to fly, there are those that just dont have what it takes. Buying
an Ultralight is not like going out and buying a motorcycle and learning to
ride it, it is orders of magnatude more difficult. It is also a lot more fun
:) Just make sure you are willing to put the effort, time and dedicatoin into
this before you decide to do this.
Your wife was right, Hang Gliders are very dangerous, for a lot of reasons that
I dont have the time to go into here. Kolbs are a great airplane and very safe
if you know what you are doing, but you will have a very big building project
on your hands, unless you buy one already used. If you get a Kolb, at least
get the quick build option, its well worth the money. In my opinion, flying
ultralights is more fun than anything else you can do on this planet... You
will love this ! Just make sure you are prepared to put the work, dedication,
and time into learning how to fly safely.
Mike Bigelow
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Joe,
I'm sending you (to your email add) some pages on UL flying that may
be of interest. Other newcomers (dislike "newbies") have liked
them....they are reprints, including a piece on the legal ultralight
Kolb FireFly.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Joe,
Welcome aboard! I was once where you are and also landed on a Kolb aircraft. 1.
was the fine folks on this list,2 was the fine folks at the factory but most
important was the design of the kolb. As John Hauck once told me in the beginning,
"Building is a major part of the whole experiance" Those words ring in my
head almost every time I work on my Kolbra. Feel free to ask any of us anything
and call the new kolb aircraft company. Great folks up there in those Kentucky
hills. They have been really good to me over the past 3 years. I am just weeks
away from first taxi test and first flight. I could not have made it this
far without this list and it's members or the support of TNK.
Regards
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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If My M3X would be ready I'd be there.
Ron (Arizona)
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---- Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net> wrote:
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Gentlemen,
Homer Kolb has decided to host a Fly-in again this year at his Farm on
Saturday, June 16th., Fathers Day Weekend. He and Clara have enjoyed
the other fly-in's we had there and they are looking forward to seeing
flying friends and their aircraft again!
For those of you that do not know, Homer's farm is just outside of
Spring City, PA near the Schuylkill River, NE of Philadelphia, PA.
I hope you can put this on your calendar and make the flight.
I guarantee you will enjoy your time there.
Coordinates are: N 40- 09-36.36
W 075-32-46.68"
That same weekend there is a fly-in at Shreveport North in York
County which is near Wellsville, PA, from Friday through Sunday.
It is a major Ultralight event each year. They have lodging and
food available and some have used it as a stop over on the way to/or
from Homer's in the past. Look it up at: footlightranch.com
Some of us camp out over there.
Come back to where it all began for us Kolb flyers!
Terry - FireFly #95
P's. Pray for good weather!
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Delays from a pilot's perspective |
Ok all this bemoaning about weather, is striking home real good. Had a charter
yesterday PHX to FHU and back again on Sunday. Been sitting around all week waiting
for that Charter, business is slow down here. Guess what, bad weather moved
in Thursday CB's and just no good and did not clear till today, called the
pax and told him no go. Didn't get to be a young old man by screwing around with
bad weather. No money but sure had fun with the lady friend instead yesterday.
Some things work out even when you are against the flow. B-)
Ron (Arizona)
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---- JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
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I am always happy to be stuck on the ground when there are thunderstorms around
also. Its when it looks bad and they go anyways is what makes me unconfortable.
As far as sitting in the plane, the plane is usually more confortable than those
rock hard, small seats in the terminal. People dont realize, with so much air
traffic these days, delays are going to happen. Its kind of like it rains and
you are driving, if you are the only car on the road, you can deal with it and
it will not slow you down much... But if it rains in the middle of rush hour,
the traffic jams can be horrific and cost you a lot of time.
Flying into major airports these days is like rush hour most of the time, delays
will happen when the weather gets even a little bad.
Mike Bigelow
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Mike Bigelow Writes:
Your wife was right, Hang Gliders are very dangerous, for a lot of
reasons that
I dont have the time to go into here.
Kolbs are a great airplane and very safe if you know what you are
doing,
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Mike
Todays HangGliders are no more dangerous than the KOLB you fly...
In fact I could very easily argue they are safer than any powered form
of flight....
Like ANY aircraft they require the same amount of dedication to learn
and fly them safely..
They like your Kolb as you put it --- "are very safe if you know what
you are doing"---
And are a lot cheaper and less disturbing to any of the Local
residents that may be
living below you......
I came from a GA back ground ( flew GA 5 yrs) but once I learned to
fly a HangGlider I
never looked back...
In my 5 years of GA I had a Tire blow on landing, Got caught on top
VFR.
Had a landing light go on a Night XC. AND about starved the Motor due
to a leaking Fuel Tank...
Also Keep in mind Hangglider Pilots are taught from day one to fly the
craft with a Dead Stick
mentality.... Were you? My guess is yes but do you??? my guess is
no....
With a Hangglider its not required but IS a very good idea to always
stay with in Glide
of an LZ ..... Tree extractions are very survivable BUT are a real
pain in the Ass 8-)
Once the PIlot understands the Soaring Environment he can often go
places that have few if
any places to land but feel confident he will find lift based on the
Days conditions...
This of course is a Leaned skill in the sport Of SOARING...
HangGliders weigh on average 65 lbs A Kolb weighs What, about 300 to
400lbs??
Seems to me that 350lbs @ 40 mph is going to mess up Christmas 8-( if
you hit something.
HGs are stressed for the same G loading as a KOLB Firestar II 6+ & 3-
HGs Can land in LZs much tighter than you'd ever consider in you Kolb
and if needed perform a
safe Tree landing yet walk away from the experience where as a Kolb
PIlot would most likely
in up in the hospital IF your lucky... And you'll most definitely have
a totaled Air craft...
A Hangglider Leading edge is about $500.00 and takes about 2 hours to
replace...
A HG Stall speed is about 17 mph But can be Stopped Dead in the Air IF
the pilot chooses...
He then drops straight down for what we call a NO step landing....
Best done with less than 6 Ft
of altitude for obvious reasons hahahahaha 8-)
Can you in your KOLB do any of these things??? Shall I go on????
MIke IMO
Flying any Motorized Craft is much more dangerous than flying a Hang
Glider...
The speed the weight the Required Space to land and the Dependency on
that Motor is what makes this so...
Oh and lets not forget that A Hangglider will fit on the Garage Wall
and doesn't require a Trailer to get it to
and from the launch site.... 8-)
MIKE
IMO his wife is Wrong .......... HangGliding depending on the pilots
mentality is by far the safest
and most incredible form of aviation on the planet....... To be able
to go round and round with a Gaggle of Soaring Birds
to cloud base or to be challenged by a Red Tail defending her nesting
area as you climb up the face of a Mountain
in a Thermal or to watch your glory as you pass by a cloud going Cross
Country is by far some of the Greatest
experience a Pilot can ever have... And Ive done them all on a
HangGlider....
FYI
The record Distance on a Hangglider is over 400 miles Set by Mike
Barber in TEXAS
I personally have over 1000 hours loogged in various models of
Hanggliders but I'm sure I have closer
to 1500 total..... I only have 125 in GA
Mark Vaughn
Now 50 looking at Wheeled options for his aging landing gear.. 8-) Yes
I'm even looking at a Kolb....
BUT! Hanggliding will forever be my true LOVE when it comes to
Flight....
________________________________________________________________________
from AOL at AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
At 09:30 PM 3/23/2007, you wrote:
>Done that, Sir.... Science experiment.... One of Ma's White
>Leghorns out of a 7AC Champ @ 6K feet over 12 Mile Island in the
>Ohio, just northeast of Louisville....was 1957.... Results were
>inconclusive.... Despite immediate split-S and "pull", never
>visually reacquired the test partner following her hotly contested
>departure from the aircraft....No vapor trail, no burning feathers,
>no nothing... Can only assume she was capable of substantially more
>than the 129 IAS limit on the Champ....
>
>...they do this in Arkansas...?
>
>Beauford
We've got cat chasing down here -
for those of you who don't know, is the sport of cramming about eight
skydivers and
one cat into an airplane. When you get to 10,000 feet you toss the cat out.
The skydivers then pile out and go after the cat. Whoever lands with
the cat is the winner.
Got the audio of the local finals I might could put on Goggle.
Then again I've seen worse
http://www.adultsheepfinder.com/
but I guess you gotta be from New Zealand to sign up.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling enthusiasts' next activity |
B'ferd et al,
Here's from the Yellville AR Chamber of Commerce web site re: Turkey
dropping...
The one thing about Turkey Trot that gets the most attention is the
Turkey Drop. Turkeys are usually dropped from a low flying plane all
throughout the festival. This has prompted attention worldwide.
Yellville and the Turkey Trot Festival was featured in The National
Enquirer, as an example of animal cruelty. The famous 1970's TV
citcom, WKRP, even created a parody of the Turkey Trot Festival.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Hey Ron,
if you work at it full time you could still it make it.
You could probably win the prize to the newest Kolb plane there.
I'm looking for the best turnout for the event yet. (weather
cooperating of course).
Gene
On Mar 24, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Ron wrote:
> If My M3X would be ready I'd be there.
>
> Ron (Arizona)
>
> ===================================
> ---- Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net> wrote:
>
> ============
> Gentlemen,
>
> Homer Kolb has decided to host a Fly-in again this year at his Farm on
> Saturday, June 16th., Fathers Day Weekend. He and Clara have enjoyed
> the other fly-in's we had there and they are looking forward to seeing
> flying friends and their aircraft again!
>
> For those of you that do not know, Homer's farm is just outside of
> Spring City, PA near the Schuylkill River, NE of Philadelphia, PA.
> I hope you can put this on your calendar and make the flight.
> I guarantee you will enjoy your time there.
>
> Coordinates are: N 40- 09-36.36
> W 075-32-46.68"
>
> That same weekend there is a fly-in at Shreveport North in York
> County which is near Wellsville, PA, from Friday through Sunday.
> It is a major Ultralight event each year. They have lodging and
> food available and some have used it as a stop over on the way to/or
> from Homer's in the past. Look it up at: footlightranch.com
> Some of us camp out over there.
>
> Come back to where it all began for us Kolb flyers!
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
> P's. Pray for good weather!
>
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Most of your assumptions as to why hangliders are safer are just plain wrong.
First you say that a hang glider is lighter, and therefore safer, which shows
your understanding of crashes are lacking. A kolb has gear to soften even
the hardest landings, a hang glider pilot uses his body as landing gear and usually
breaks something on a very bad landing. A Kolb has a strong steel cage
to protect you in a crash, a hang glider has nothing, if you hit the ground hard,
you are going to get badly hurt or killed.
Light Weight = Safety is what you imply... Would you rather hit an tree at 30
MPH in a toyota, or in a large SUV ? Your thinking is just wrong.
What really makes a hang glider dangerous, is the conditions in which they launch,
fly and land. Most hang gliders take off of a hill, or cliff with the wind
blowing, they are very difficult to control in this phase of flight, with turbulance
and wing, and I have seen many launches go wrong. If you are doing
a tow takeoff, its far more common for the guys in the hang glider to get hurt
or killed than the guy in the tow plane. As far as your slow stall speed, you
need it, every time because in a hang glider you are landing in mostly unimproved
fields, and less than desirable locations. With a Kolb, we can and usually
do operate off of much better strips.
Given some of the very false and inaccurate in your post, I can tell you are one
of those guys that has an agenda and wont let facts or truth stand in the way
of what you want to beleive. If you like hang gliding, more power to you, It
looks like fun, and I considered hang gliding myself at one time, but decided
not to after investigating the risks and talking to some very experienced hang
glider pilots. We all owe it to newcommers to give them truthful and accurate
information about the sports they are about to enter.
JettPilot
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| Subject: | Learning to fly...whatever!!! |
You know, Clint Eastwood said it best!! "A man's GOT to know his
limitations!!" These were words well said, and they contain a lot of truth
in them.
Included in that concept is; "A man's GOT to know his airplanes
limitations.
I agree whole-heartedly with Mark...hanggliding is not anymore unsafe
than any other form of flying, providing you don't try doing something
incredibly stupid. (Like many of those who did and had hanggliding
accidents or mishaps, me included, albeit not too severe.)
If you examine practically ALL hangglider/ultralight/light plane
accidents, you will likely find in one way or another that the Pilot was the
blame! He either had poor maintenance, bad weather he shouldn't have been
in, poor judgement in the type of flying he was doing, on and on. The point
is; you can USUALLY blame the pilot for crash. Not always, but MOST of the
time. But you shouldn't blame the plane (glider), but many do!
A few years ago I bought a three wheeler Honda. Many people said "Oh
my God, do you know how dangerous those things are!?" Yes, I do!! My
heighbor, and 30 year old AF Captain was killed riding one. He was hauling
ass on a small bluff and went airborne over a rise, left the trike, slammed
onto the ground...and died..... Then people come along and say
"See, I told you
those things are dangerous!" Yeah, right! I owned mine for two
years, drove it fairly benign, no crashes. Where was the "danger"?
It never ceases to amaze me when you hear about some idiot who goes out
and dings up his plane, and then the plane gets the bad reputation. Huh??
As a former hangglider pilot, if I look back on the few "mishaps" I've
had, not ONE of them was the glider's fault.
I really do believe in the saying that says "Flying (whatever you fly) is
no more dangerous than many other forms of recreation, but it is incredibly
unforgiving of mistakes!! Without a doubt, in most cases, the pilot in
command controls the safety of the flight.
Just a little soap box ranting......Mike in SW Utah
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I am pecking at it every day. today I did that which I was loath to do,, cut the
cage for the new parallel bar mount. I am now waiting on Aircraft Spruce to
deliver (Monday) two 36 inch 1x1.75 4130 tubes. If anyone wants the old mount
and so on make me an offer, its about a .25 inch shorter otherwise it can be used
for a Rotax bed. I am not making any dead lines just going at it as much as
I can stand. The big thing will be assembling that Suzuki and getting it to
run. If that can be done then I will be pretty close to a fleeting happy moment.
Ron (Arizona)
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---- Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> wrote:
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Hey Ron,
if you work at it full time you could still it make it.
You could probably win the prize to the newest Kolb plane there.
I'm looking for the best turnout for the event yet. (weather
cooperating of course).
Gene
On Mar 24, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Ron wrote:
> If My M3X would be ready I'd be there.
>
> Ron (Arizona)
>
> ===================================
> ---- Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net> wrote:
>
> ============
> Gentlemen,
>
> Homer Kolb has decided to host a Fly-in again this year at his Farm on
> Saturday, June 16th., Fathers Day Weekend. He and Clara have enjoyed
> the other fly-in's we had there and they are looking forward to seeing
> flying friends and their aircraft again!
>
> For those of you that do not know, Homer's farm is just outside of
> Spring City, PA near the Schuylkill River, NE of Philadelphia, PA.
> I hope you can put this on your calendar and make the flight.
> I guarantee you will enjoy your time there.
>
> Coordinates are: N 40- 09-36.36
> W 075-32-46.68"
>
> That same weekend there is a fly-in at Shreveport North in York
> County which is near Wellsville, PA, from Friday through Sunday.
> It is a major Ultralight event each year. They have lodging and
> food available and some have used it as a stop over on the way to/or
> from Homer's in the past. Look it up at: footlightranch.com
> Some of us camp out over there.
>
> Come back to where it all began for us Kolb flyers!
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
> P's. Pray for good weather!
>
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At 08:24 PM 3/24/2007, you wrote:
>I am pecking at it every day. today I did that which I was loath to
>do,, cut the cage for the new parallel bar mount. I am now waiting
>on Aircraft Spruce to deliver (Monday) two 36 inch 1x1.75 4130 tubes.
>
>Ron (Arizona)
You can do it. My engine hasn't fallen of yet in 700+ hours.
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| Subject: | Planning a flight Oregon to Texas and on to MV |
Hi Kolbers
Larry Cottrell (Kolb flyer) and I (Drifter flyer) are
planning to fly from Oregon to Texas this May. We've
gotten lots of good advice, and here is the route that
we're planning as of now. Larry's wife Karen will be
ground crewing us - we'll probably meet her once a day
for gas and at our final stop every night. Since both
Larry and I are flying E-LSAs, we're no longer limited
to 5 gallons, and he'll be carrying 20 and I'll have
16 (maybe 20 - I haven't decided if I want that much
extra weight.)
At the end of this message is our proposed route to
Texas with airstrips along the way. If we don't get
into terrible headwinds, we are figuring on 125-150
mile legs. We're hoping to average 60 mph and stop
every 2+ hours just to stretch our legs...but I've put
in back-up strips just in case we need to land sooner.
(And of course, there's always fields, dirt/gravel
roads, etc.)
While I've poured over sectionals and topo maps, I'd
still like to hear from any of you who have actual
knowledge of the route - any advice or warnings you
want to give us? I know there's a lot of you on this
list who live along the route and who have flown it.
Thanks in advance for any info. And...if any of you
want to join us in the air for a while or just hang
out in the evening, let us know.
Arty Trost
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
From Rome, Oregon take Hwy. 95 south to Winnemucca,
NV.
132 miles
Go east on I-80 to Battle Mountain, NV. 60 miles
Go south on Hwy. 305 to Austen, NV 91 miles
Take Hwy. 50 east, then Hwy. 377 south to Tonopah,
NV 120 miles
Link up with Hwy. 95 south again, to Beatty, NV
110 miles
Continue south on Hwy. 95 through the Pahrump Valley
(Calvada Meadows Airpart, 64 miles;) to Boulder City,
NV (85 miles;) Needles, CA (82 miles;) Blythe, CA (93
miles.)
Take I-10 east to San Antonio, TX - with the
following airports as possible stops: Buckeye, AZ;
Casa Grade, AZ; Marana NW Regional, AZ; Benson
Municipal, AZ ; Wilcox: Cochise Co, AZ; Lordsburg, NM;
Deming, NM; Las Cruces, NM; El Paso: Horizon, TX;
Culberson County/Van Horn, TX; Ft. Stockton, TX; Ozona
Muncipal, TX; Sonora Municipal, TX; Junction, Kimble
County, TX; Kerrville Municipal, TX;
Kestral/Springbranch, TX; Burnet, TX
Coming back we'll be heading to El Paso and then up to
Monument Valley for the Kolb fly-in in mid-May. Will
Uribe has sent us helpful suggestions for the route
from El Paso to MV - and hinted that he may join us if
he's able to fly his bird. And Dennis Kirby - I
believe you're planning to fly up this year, but
you'll be starting from AZ and will probably be taking
a different route.
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Fantastic Kolb websites |
Hello All,
Does anybody have a list of the various websites of Kolb's being
built? I have seen bits and pieces of a few photos of your planes from
them, but I was wondering if anyone has compiled a list of the Kolb airplane
builders websites.
I am especially interested in the Xtra, Kolbra, MkIII, and the
Slingshot. Mike in SW Utah
Rex, Paul, John W., Rick, John H. Vic ???
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At 03:38 PM 3/24/2007, knowvne@aol.com wrote:
> ...Flying any Motorized Craft is much more dangerous than flying a Hang
> Glider...
HG is cool, and a lot safer than the death trap reputation inherited from
its bad old days... but I don't think the statistics bear out the claim
that it's safer than motorized aircraft. Quite the contrary, on a per
flight hour basis.
-Dana
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Would someone post the address for Frapper. This is the site that you can
list your physical address on a map.
Thanks.
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Firefly #035, (N6007L)
JYL (Sylvania, Ga_
Pegasus Field (Home)
2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
Rocky Ford, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly...whatever!!! |
Thats part of the problem with Hang Gliding, its never the gliders fault, but the
conditions that exist to jump off a mountain with enough wind to are extremely
challenging. Same goes for landing, with a hang glider its usually in wind,
turbulance, into an unimproved field, and go arounds are never an option.
Bottom line, the skill level required is so high that if you do it, it will bite
you, no matter how good you are. Look at many of the best and most famous
hang glider pilots, most of them end up hurt or dead sooner or later. Its never
the gliders fault, but the challenges and conditions of flying hang gliders
are just so high, sooner or later it will get you.
BTW ... Yes, hang gliding looks like a heck of a lot of fun. If I lived on the
gently sloping hills of Austrailias coastline, I would probably have to do
it :) All the places I have seen in the eastern states are really hairy and dangerous.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Planning a flight Oregon to Texas and on to MV |
Arty,
One of the things I would highly recommend is making sure you are
thoroughly familiar with your GPS. I would assume you have a GPS. Get the
latest update, find the quick instruction pamphlet
and practice a bunch.
As I told you the last time you asked for advice, I just flew from near
Sacramento, south to Tahachapi, then west past Las Vegas, on to SW
Utah....my new home. I had the luxury of being able to spend a full week,
day and night, preparing.
I studied charts (sectionals), the weather, renewed my pilot license, new
medical, and without a doubt, one of best advantages was practicing night
after night with my Garmin 296.
Give me a call. I guarantee I can give you a couple of "tricks" to make
your navigating a heckuva lot more easy. Mike Welch
435-817-1816
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Here you go.
http://www.frappr.com/kolbaircraft/map
On Mar 24, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Jimmy wrote:
>
> Would someone post the address for Frapper. This is the site that
> you can list your physical address on a map.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jimmy Hankinson
> 912-863-7384
> Firefly #035, (N6007L)
> JYL (Sylvania, Ga_
> Pegasus Field (Home)
> 2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
> Rocky Ford, Georgia
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| Subject: | heading in the right direction |
Oops! Make that "east past Las Vegas"
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| Subject: | Re: Fantastic Kolb websites |
My Firestar isn't on your list , but it's built like the others ...
I have a building log with pictures at this address :
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | flight path: Oregon to Texas and on to MV |
travelers:
being from the great NW (seattle) and now living in tx, (houston) ur
proposed trip n route sounds to me like lots of fun and great adventure.
just about every commercial hop i have taken back to sea included day
dreams of flying much lower and slower down below as i lusted out of the
airliner's window from 32,000'. when i flew corp aero commanders... i
flew out of uvalde, tx to ft stockton, sonora, ozona areas oft... and u
will have lots of company... sagebrush and rolling tumbleweeds. maybe a
cyote or two... from western border of tx on in to n of san antonio it
will be arid and desert much of the way. once i saw spring branch on ur
itinerary, i knew u were headed to n of san antonio. from uvalde n to
austin u will have the rolling hills of the texas hill country. out in
ft stockton area, big bend area... u will have arid country but amazing
hills and small mountains if far south enuff. some say there are areas
out there man has yet to explore... draw a line north out of uvalde, tx
and east of that to ur destination will be all rolling hills and forests
and farm land...between the many towns and communities. n ot ft stockton
is odessa and that area is also quite dry, dry and drier. if u like
desert like plains... u will just love it! i'd hope u each have 2
GPS's... lol
u will definitely want to be head up on the weather. texas is a big hop
and the geography is vast. u can see some severe weather from time to
time, so i'd stay ahead of my route weatherwise at least 2 days in
advance...
well, wish i could tag along with you. i'd be open to giving u my cell #
so u could tb along the way... as id enjoy any progress reports.
if it was me, in a flight of 2... once i hit texas id have NO less that
24 gallons of fuel down with the roadies... 4 full 6-gallon jugs... as a
min!~
in any event, have fun, be safe... and GOOD LUCK!!
regards
barnstormer~
On 3/25/2007, "TheWanderingWench" <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Kolbers
>
>Larry Cottrell (Kolb flyer) and I (Drifter flyer) are
>planning to fly from Oregon to Texas this May. We've
>gotten lots of good advice, and here is the route that
>we're planning as of now. Larry's wife Karen will be
>ground crewing us - we'll probably meet her once a day
>for gas and at our final stop every night. Since both
>Larry and I are flying E-LSAs, we're no longer limited
>to 5 gallons, and he'll be carrying 20 and I'll have
>16 (maybe 20 - I haven't decided if I want that much
>extra weight.)
>
>At the end of this message is our proposed route to
>Texas with airstrips along the way. If we don't get
>into terrible headwinds, we are figuring on 125-150
>mile legs. We're hoping to average 60 mph and stop
>every 2+ hours just to stretch our legs...but I've put
>in back-up strips just in case we need to land sooner.
> (And of course, there's always fields, dirt/gravel
>roads, etc.)
>
>While I've poured over sectionals and topo maps, I'd
>still like to hear from any of you who have actual
>knowledge of the route - any advice or warnings you
>want to give us? I know there's a lot of you on this
>list who live along the route and who have flown it.
>
>Thanks in advance for any info. And...if any of you
>want to join us in the air for a while or just hang
>out in the evening, let us know.
>
>Arty Trost
>Maxair Drifter
>Sandy, Oregon
>
> From Rome, Oregon take Hwy. 95 south to Winnemucca,
>NV.
> 132 miles
> Go east on I-80 to Battle Mountain, NV. 60 miles
> Go south on Hwy. 305 to Austen, NV 91 miles
> Take Hwy. 50 east, then Hwy. 377 south to Tonopah,
>NV 120 miles
> Link up with Hwy. 95 south again, to Beatty, NV
>110 miles
> Continue south on Hwy. 95 through the Pahrump Valley
>(Calvada Meadows Airpart, 64 miles;) to Boulder City,
>NV (85 miles;) Needles, CA (82 miles;) Blythe, CA (93
>miles.)
> Take I-10 east to San Antonio, TX - with the
>following airports as possible stops: Buckeye, AZ;
>Casa Grade, AZ; Marana NW Regional, AZ; Benson
>Municipal, AZ ; Wilcox: Cochise Co, AZ; Lordsburg, NM;
> Deming, NM; Las Cruces, NM; El Paso: Horizon, TX;
>Culberson County/Van Horn, TX; Ft. Stockton, TX; Ozona
>Muncipal, TX; Sonora Municipal, TX; Junction, Kimble
>County, TX; Kerrville Municipal, TX;
>Kestral/Springbranch, TX; Burnet, TX
>
>Coming back we'll be heading to El Paso and then up to
>Monument Valley for the Kolb fly-in in mid-May. Will
>Uribe has sent us helpful suggestions for the route
>from El Paso to MV - and hinted that he may join us if
>he's able to fly his bird. And Dennis Kirby - I
>believe you're planning to fly up this year, but
>you'll be starting from AZ and will probably be taking
>a different route.
>
>
>www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
>
>"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
> Helen Keller
>
>"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
>
>
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| Subject: | flight plan: Oregon to Texas and on to MV |
Amen to all that! I wouldnt even consider such a hop without a complete
working knowledge of my GPS's. such that u dont even need to look nuttin
up in manual... u know it cold. add in ur legs or go route to route...
but do ur Go To's... and fly the line. I'd each have 2 gps's... i
wouldnt make the trip with one GPS... also, u should know ur radios cold
so u can also get Wx along route etc. and... id have a complete set of
hand signals to communicate with each other if one looses a radio.
well, no doubt any body planning such a hop has it well thot out...
barnstormer~
On 3/25/2007, "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Arty,
>
> One of the things I would highly recommend is making sure you are
>thoroughly familiar with your GPS. I would assume you have a GPS. Get the
>latest update, find the quick instruction pamphlet
>and practice a bunch.
> As I told you the last time you asked for advice, I just flew from near
>Sacramento, south to Tahachapi, then west past Las Vegas, on to SW
>Utah....my new home. I had the luxury of being able to spend a full week,
>day and night, preparing.
> I studied charts (sectionals), the weather, renewed my pilot license, new
>medical, and without a doubt, one of best advantages was practicing night
>after night with my Garmin 296.
>
> Give me a call. I guarantee I can give you a couple of "tricks" to make
>your navigating a heckuva lot more easy. Mike Welch
> 435-817-1816
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon.
>http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglinemarch07
>
>
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| Subject: | Monument Valley - when in May? |
With the purchase of my trailer, I'm thinking of Monument Valley this May. What
are the dates folks are going? I guess I should look into accomodations.
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http://www.frappr.com/?a=myfrappr
here you are.
Larry, Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Web address
>
> Would someone post the address for Frapper. This is the site that you can
> list your physical address on a map.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jimmy Hankinson
> 912-863-7384
> Firefly #035, (N6007L)
> JYL (Sylvania, Ga_
> Pegasus Field (Home)
> 2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
> Rocky Ford, Georgia
> Do Not Archive
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Jimmie, try google! Oh heck :http://www.frappr.com/akhahumanrights
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar bowling |
Bowling balls are tough we shot one with a old 308 military round and only
put a 1"chip in it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar bowling
>
> Man that looks like fun :) I need to find a supply of cheap bowling
balls, I am dreaming up all sorts of stuff... What would it look like if it
hit concrete, water, a old car, etc. etc. How high would I need to drop to
get it to terminal velocity ? Even set up a video camera at the drop. The
possiblities are endless !!!
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could have !!!
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly...whatever!!! |
Mike
Little steps not big ones ...
Always say no to conditions above your skill level ...
A safety first attitude goes a long way in aviation... All forms..
Thats part of the problem with Hang Gliding, its never the gliders
fault, but
the conditions that exist to jump off a mountain with enough wind to
are extremely challenging.
MIKE
They're Challenging ONLY if Turbulent and Strong.. I fly in coastal
winds such as those at
( STAN WELL PARK in Australia for example 8-) When it's blowing 20 and
can self launch...
Condition at Sites Differ ... Conditions always must dictate if you
should fly..
Just as with Power Flying..
Same goes for landing, with a hang glider its usually in wind,
turbulence, into an
unimproved field, and go around are never an option.
Mike
When landing out in a hangglider you can quite often wait out the
turbulance......
That turbulance say 500 AGL is often not enough to climb in but more
than enough
to maintain in..... When it disapates you can then go in and land...
The Trick is
not to force your self to the ground just because your low.... Wait
till you have to
land because the lift and most of the turbulance has passed...
Landing out is a special skill and is why we as HG pilots get a XC
sign off
before were permitted to go ....
Bottom line, the skill level required is so high that if you do it, it
will bite you, no matter how good you are.
Mike
When you say BITE do you mean Crash Break The Glider, Get hurt, DIE
What?
We have had ONE death in our flying area in the past 16 years..
Ive crashed into Trees, on to Slopes and walked away with out hardly a
scratch.. BELEIVE ME WHEN
I SAY THIS .. the Glider takes most of the impact, not you...... We
control the glider while hanging inside a
TRANGLE we all know is one of the strongest shapes around.....
Yes at some point you will probably WHACK as we like to call it but
landing at the speeds we land its really
not a big issue unless you hit a BIG ROCK...8-)
Look at many of the best and most famous hang glider pilots, most of
them end up hurt or dead sooner or later.
Mike
Most deaths are from doing stupid human pet tricks... AKA PILOT ERRIOR
it had nothing to do with the Craft
Some have blown up their Gliders doing AERO Some Slam into the Ground
Doing Loops too low to the ground..
I know one pilot who blew up his Glider doing a LOOP and tossed his
chute but failed to attach it to his harness ...
Guess WHAT He survived to talk about the Mistake he made... Stupid
human pet tricks... PILOT ERRIOR...
How many power pilots have died doing the same stupid things ? Pilot
Error not the craft..
Its never the gliders fault, but the challenges and conditions of
flying hang gliders are
just so high, sooner or later it will get you.
Same is true in Power craft... Fly within your limits and its
extreemly safe... Go beyond your skill level
leaving 0 room for errior and yep its going to mess up Christmas...
its not the craft
BTW ... Yes, hang gliding looks like a heck of a lot of fun. If I
lived on the gently sloping hills of Austrailias
coastline, I would probably have to do it :) All the places I have
seen in the eastern states are really hairy and
dangerous.
As I said its the most amazine sport in the world...
Come up to NH and visit Morningside Flight park ... There you'll find
the Gental Grassy slopes your
dreaming of... OZ is much to far hahahahahaha8-) Check out
www.flymorningside.com They also Aero Tow there...
Come up and take a tandem flight... I dare ya... 8-)
Mark
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