---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/27/07: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:51 AM - Re: Re: vinyl graphics vs painting (pat ladd) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: vinyl graphics vs painting (Rex Rodebush) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? (Paul Petty) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: vinyl graphics vs painting (Paul Petty) 5. 06:39 AM - Wanted-Kolb Instructor Pilot (Flyboy7) 6. 06:41 AM - NOTAM For Sun and Fun 2007 (John Hauck) 7. 06:41 AM - Re: vinyl graphics vs painting (Paul Petty) 8. 06:53 AM - Re: NOTAM For Sun and Fun 2007 (Paul Petty) 9. 07:31 AM - Re: Check out Sport Pilot Ready Kit Aircraft: STOL CH 701 - the (jb92563) 10. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? (TheWanderingWench) 11. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? (N27SB@aol.com) 12. 09:22 AM - Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer (Dana Hague) 13. 10:07 AM - Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 14. 10:38 AM - Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer (Gene Ledbetter) 15. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? (TheWanderingWench) 16. 11:59 AM - Fly-in (Terry) 17. 12:00 PM - Re: Wanted-Kolb Instructor Pilot (joe) 18. 02:15 PM - Re: Exhaust Ball Joint Conversion Kit - anyone using it? (David Lehman) 19. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? (George Thompson) 20. 05:11 PM - Kolb-List Fire Star Logistics ??? (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 21. 06:04 PM - Re: Exhaust Ball Joint Conversion Kit - anyone using it? (Jack B. Hart) 22. 06:44 PM - Re: Kolb-List Fire Star Logistics ??? (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 23. 06:51 PM - Re: Fly-in (Steven Green) 24. 07:13 PM - Props and engine mount (Ron) 25. 07:21 PM - Re: Props and engine mount (Richard Pike) 26. 07:32 PM - Re: Props and engine mount (John Hauck) 27. 08:46 PM - Re: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer (Dana Hague) 28. 08:47 PM - Re: Kolb-List Fire Star Logistics ??? (Dana Hague) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:52 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: vinyl graphics vs painting I also would be interested in where to obtain & how well it holds.>> Hi, not quite the same but I once covered my glider trailer, about 35 ft long, with blue woodgrain effect wallpaper. The effect was spectcular but unfortunately towing to a neighbouring airfield in the rain the whole lot came off. Travelling behind were two little old ladies in an ancient car a little larger than a Mini. The old dears carefully picked up all the wet, sticky, wallpaper, folded it up and put it in their car. When I stopped a few miles further on to check the trailer the old girls pulled up and proudly presented me with this pile of soggy, gluey paper because `they thought I would want it`. I thanked them profusely and dumped the lot over the hedge as soon as they were out of sight. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: vinyl graphics vs painting From: "Rex Rodebush" We use vinyl graphics on our company pickups and also on our manufactured equipment which goes into some of the worst chemical and process enviorments you can imagine. The stuff we use has held up well for years. I plan to use them for my N-numbers and some trim. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103165#103165 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? From: "Paul Petty" John W, Our Kolbra's and the mark's cant be registered as E-LSA? Not that I plan to do such but out of curiousity, what would one have to do to register a Kolb as E-LSA? Is this something an individual can do or does it require certification action between TNK and the FAA? do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103166#103166 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: vinyl graphics vs painting From: "Paul Petty" John H all, Soapy water works however i used the solution the company I bought the 3M vinyl from. It's called "Splash" Works great. Im sure Vic can tell us much more about this process. For me I researched it and landed at this place>>>> http://www.jsisign.com/products/supercast.html You want a good grade of vinyl. I used 3M high performance vinyl. As for application it was easy. The directions on the "Splash" say to mist the solution on and slide the vinyl into place then squgee it. I found that this was no good and it may be because of the fabric substraight. I had to "Flood" the surface AND the vinyl in order to move the squares into their place. One thing is for sure when you squgee it it better be where you want it [Wink] As a tip for marking I used water based pens. I bought a 15"X10yd roll and had a girl in FL cut it out. I sent her the Kolbra decal and she scanned and made me the same decals in the same blue color. She also made me my N numbers and the "Builder/pilot" in script. Real neat. Cost for the vinyl was $45.00 and she only wated to charge me for shipping but I sent her $50.00 anyway. Any local graphics shop can do this however either Vic or someone who knows aircraft will have the talent to make your graphics look "Aircrafty" hehehe -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103170#103170 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Wanted-Kolb Instructor Pilot From: "Flyboy7" I'm in the process of buying a Mark III Classic which I haven't taken possesion of yet. I have 3 hours of tailwheel time and would like to get some additional instruction in type prior to getting the plane. Does anyone know of an instructor with a Mark III willing to provide instruction. I would prefer someone in the Minneapolis, MN area if possible. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103174#103174 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:10 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: NOTAM For Sun and Fun 2007 Morning Folks: Here is the NOTAM for Sun and Fun 2007: http://www.faa.gov/NTAP/sunnfun.pdf The part that pertains to UL's is contained on page 24 and 25, a very small diagram and probably 10 lines of info. It takes 36 pages for GA types to land at Lakeland and less than a page for us UL types, with or without a radio. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: vinyl graphics vs painting From: "Paul Petty" oops! Left one part out....the checker board squares were just peal,wet and apply. The decals have transfer paper that hold them in place till you finish the squgee deal. Then you wait 2 minutes, flood the paper and carefully peal the paper off at a 45 degree angle! Squgee???? Is that even close to being spelled right? [Rolling Eyes] do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103175#103175 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: NOTAM For Sun and Fun 2007 From: "Paul Petty" HAHAHA I like the "No radio (Nordo) aircraft Not authorized" (except ultralights) ! SO the faa does call UL's "aircraft"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103184#103184 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Check out Sport Pilot Ready Kit Aircraft: STOL CH 701 - the From: "jb92563" Thanks, Thats encouraging to know and perhaps a Rotax 447 is in my future when the Cuyuna gets weak. Great Pics. Ray Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103194#103194 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:00 AM PST US From: TheWanderingWench Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? After Jan. 31, 2008, in order to sell an E-LSA kit, the manufacturer must have a certified LSA and that is what they use to get approval to make E-LSA kits. No LSA - no E-LSA kits after 1-31-08. Since the kit you now have - or might buy in the next few months - doesn't have an LSA prototype, your only option is to either get it finished and registered E-LSA before the deadline, or build it under the Amateur-built catagory. As John says, then there is no deadline. The downside to Amateur-built is that while you, as builder, can do your annual yourself, any future owners will not be able to do it themselves. Arty Trost --- John Williamson wrote: > > > You can not buy a Kit of anything from TNK and > register it as E-LSA. > > They are not offering a kit in E-LSA form. > > E-LSA right now is only for the transitioning > ultralights and illegal/unregistered aircraft and > just two or three Kits that manufacurers are > offering as E-LSA Kits. > > If you buy a kit, you have no deadline because you > will build it as Experimental-Amateur Built. > > -------- > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolbra, 912ULS > http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103136#103136 > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:15 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? In a message dated 3/27/2007 10:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, thewanderingwench@yahoo.com writes: The downside to Amateur-built is that while you, as builder, can do your annual yourself, any future owners will not be able to do it themselves. Arty Trost Just a thought here, But If you sell an amateur built and the new owner must use an A&P doesn't that help in limiting the sellers future liability? Steve ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:20 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer One thing I see from all of the trailer pictures is that they all seem to have the plane facing backwards in the trailer. Mine (came with the plane) is set up the other way, which requires some careful guiding the plane in. Don't think I could do it the other way though as it'd put the weight too far back. -Dana -- -- The citizens of the United States are getting the government they deserve. The problem is that I'm also getting the government they deserve. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:52 AM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer Dana: Beauford's Firefly goes in head first. http://gtalexander.home.att.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Hague Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer One thing I see from all of the trailer pictures is that they all seem to have the plane facing backwards in the trailer. Mine (came with the plane) is set up the other way, which requires some careful guiding the plane in. Don't think I could do it the other way though as it'd put the weight too far back. <<<>>> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:55 AM PST US From: Gene Ledbetter Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer Dana, My Firefly also loads headfirst. I installed 2 X 2 guides for the wheels to keep it centered. You can see pictures at homepage.mac.com/gene1930 Gene On Mar 27, 2007, at 1:07 PM, George T. Alexander, Jr. wrote: > > > Dana: > Beauford's Firefly goes in head first. > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:34 AM PST US From: TheWanderingWench Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? No. The new owner will almost certainly be flying it before the next annual. AND - would you want to pay a lawyer to defend yourself - even if you eventually win? There's been a lot written (on this list I think, as well as elsewhere) that pulling off the engine or the wings and selling the plane as "unflyable as sold" is a biggie to help avoid liability. I've even seen boiler plate language for the sales contract, so the buyer is signing that s/he realizes that they're buying parts, not a flying machine. But, I'm NOT a lawyer . Check with EAA - I think they have the info. Arty Trost --- N27SB@aol.com wrote: > > Just a thought here, But > > If you sell an amateur built and the new owner must > use an A&P doesn't that > help in limiting the sellers future liability? > > > Steve > > > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:57 AM PST US From: Terry Subject: Kolb-List: Fly-in Dana, Talking to Chuck Davis and he had a good idea for you to be able to camp over at Smoketown airport. You could pull your trailer right next to Chucks hanger which is on the end and out of the way. I know you could also camp out there as well. Steve Green camped there last year when he flew up here from Tennessee last summer. Smoketown is only 35 miles from Homer's and you could join the rest of us for our mass flight to Homer's that morning! Later you could also join us in a flight over to Shreveport North if you would be interested. Let me know if this sounds interesting and I will speak to the owner of the airport about you staying there. He's a real nice guy! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:37 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wanted-Kolb Instructor Pilot From: "joe" I am in the Tulsa area and am having trouble finding someone too. I went to the EAA site and there were two in my area listed, but after contacting neither is still doing it. Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103239#103239 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:01 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Exhaust Ball Joint Conversion Kit - anyone using it? I have 30+ hours on mine... A lot better than springs in my estimation... I have stainless bolts and they're wearing... My best guesstimate is stainless bolt replacement at around 40-50 hours... No broken springs though... DVD do not archive On 3/25/07, John H Murphy wrote: > > > CPS is selling this new "Exhaust Ball Joint Conversion Kit". It's about > time for the muffler spring replacement. Anybody using this? If so, what's > the verdict so far? > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:54 PM PST US From: "George Thompson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? Have them sign a statement that says " This machine will kill you"and I understand this. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheWanderingWench" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? > > > No. The new owner will almost certainly be flying it > before the next annual. > > AND - would you want to pay a lawyer to defend > yourself - even if you eventually win? > > There's been a lot written (on this list I think, as > well as elsewhere) that pulling off the engine or the > wings and selling the plane as "unflyable as sold" is > a biggie to help avoid liability. I've even seen > boiler plate language for the sales contract, so the > buyer is signing that s/he realizes that they're > buying parts, not a flying machine. But, I'm NOT a > lawyer . Check with EAA - I think they have the info. > > Arty Trost > > > --- N27SB@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Just a thought here, But >> >> If you sell an amateur built and the new owner must >> use an A&P doesn't that >> help in limiting the sellers future liability? >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> > > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com > > "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" > Helen Keller > > "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." > > > -- > 2:31 PM > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:48 PM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Fire Star Logistics ??? I was talking to a couple of guys at lunch that fly Trikes and Gyro Copters Thier feeling is that The FAA is not too concerned with Single seat ultralights ... I have a 5 rib firestar with a 377 Rotax ... Are we going to get enough added weight alowance in time or should I go ahead and do the N Number Thing ? Thanks ! Dave ************************************** AOL now offers free email to ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:35 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Exhaust Ball Joint Conversion Kit - anyone using it? At 03:01 PM 3/25/07 -0700, you wrote: > >CPS is selling this new "Exhaust Ball Joint Conversion Kit". It's about time for the muffler spring replacement. Anybody using this? If so, what's the verdict so far? > John, I have been using them for 139 hours on the Victor 1+. I had to cut the original pipe and weld in a second ball joint. The single cylinder engine power impulse is quite high so I discarded the original compression spring and replaced them with small die springs ordered from McMaster-Carr. I believe the trick is get enough joint compression so that it can move/rotate due to thermal expansion, but not move due to power impulse. After 139 hours the bolts show no wear. The springs I used can be seen on the bottom of: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly79a.html The best photo of the setup is shown on the bottom of: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly79.html If I had it to do over, I would use Richard Pikes method. If one fabricated the end through pieces for small diameter bolts, you would end up with much lighter, stronger and very inexpensive clamping system than what I have. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:54 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Fire Star Logistics ??? Dave My understanding is they the FAA is happy with part 103 as it stands. The question is are you going to be caught? I agree over weight Ultralights are not something they are going to look for but at the wrong place and time they might use you as a example. Do you feel lucky? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Fire Star Logistics ??? I was talking to a couple of guys at lunch that fly Trikes and Gyro Copters Thier feeling is that The FAA is not too concerned with Single seat ultralights ... I have a 5 rib firestar with a 377 Rotax ... Are we going to get enough added weight alowance in time or should I go ahead and do the N Number Thing ? Thanks ! Dave ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyo ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:36 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fly-in Terry, I would like to overnight at Smoketown for the gathering at Homer's. It's a great airport three resturants within walking distance and plenty of Kolb owners nearby!! Steven Let me know if this sounds interesting and I will speak to the owner of the airport about you staying there. He's a real nice guy! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:51 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Kolb-List: Props and engine mount for all the senior Kolbers here is a question. I am about to weld in place the engine mount. I have now the option of lowering the mount a bit to reduce thrust line. I have done some measuring and it looks like I can reduce it some with a 2 inch prop clearance from the tail boom and have a max size of a 68 inch prop. I figure that at best the rubber mount would flex .5 inch which would still give me ample clearance, from the boom. Or I could of course go to a 3 inch clearance from the boom and raise the mount an inch. I guess the best question to ask is what is the minimum prop I can use and still be on par with the best performance. I know there are some more variables I can throw into this. But some ideas from which I can work will be real good. The next item is the angle of the mount. I am following the original mount bed angle on the assumption that Dennis Souder got it right when he figured it. Any opinions about that, shell I change it and if so why? John H what prop size and kind are you using? Anyone using a 4 blade? ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:45 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Props and engine mount What engine and reduction ratio? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldpoops) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Props and engine mount > > for all the senior Kolbers here is a question. I am about to weld in place > the engine mount. I have now the option of lowering the mount a bit to > reduce thrust line. I have done some measuring and it looks like I can > reduce it some with a 2 inch prop clearance from the tail boom and have a > max size of a 68 inch prop. I figure that at best the rubber mount would > flex .5 inch which would still give me ample clearance, from the boom. Or > I could of course go to a 3 inch clearance from the boom and raise the > mount an inch. > I guess the best question to ask is what is the minimum prop I can use and > still be on par with the best performance. I know there are some more > variables I can throw into this. But some ideas from which I can work will > be real good. > The next item is the angle of the mount. I am following the original mount > bed angle on the assumption that Dennis Souder got it right when he > figured it. Any opinions about that, shell I change it and if so why? > John H what prop size and kind are you using? > Anyone using a 4 blade? > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:44 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Props and engine mount | Anyone using a 4 blade? Ron Mason Ron: I am a Warp Drive man. Been using strickly Warp Drive since September 1993. I have used 70 and 72 inch three blade props. Both work well. The 6 ft prop is a little noiser than the 70" prop. I like to keep the thrust line as low as possible. The 72" prop had 3/4" tail boom clearance. Close proximity to tail boom and other structure may increase the noise level. I have a 70" prop waiting to be mounted on the new 912ULS. I see no reason to change the design and attitude of the standard Kolb engine mount. I think Homer Kolb knew what he was doing a lot better than most of us. As far as what prop to use for your Geo engine and redrive, I have no idea. john h mkIII PS: John W uses a 68" 3 blade Warp Drive on his Kolbra. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:30 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing Firestar in enclosed trailer At 01:38 PM 3/27/2007, Gene Ledbetter wrote: >My Firefly also loads headfirst. I installed 2 X 2 guides for the >wheels to keep it centered. You can see pictures at >homepage.mac.com/gene1930 Well, your trailer's sure wider than mine! You remove the wings completely for transport??? -Dana -- -- The citizens of the United States are getting the government they deserve. The problem is that I'm also getting the government they deserve. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:03 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Fire Star Logistics ??? At 08:11 PM 3/27/2007, BMWBikeCrz@aol.com wrote: >I was talking to a couple of guys at lunch that fly Trikes and Gyro >Copters Thier feeling is that The FAA is not too concerned with Single >seat ultralights ... > >I have a 5 rib firestar with a 377 Rotax ... > >Are we going to get enough added weight alowance in time or should I go >ahead and do the N Number Thing ? There will be no "added weight allowance" in time. The FAA has repeatedly said that they intend to leave Part 103 untouched. Anything heavier is supposed to go LSA. Pilots of heavy single seaters will probably get away with it until they have an accident or attract attention... at which time they'll find they're flying an unregistered aircraft with no airworthiness certificate and no annual. -Dana -- -- The citizens of the United States are getting the government they deserve. 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