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1. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 (Vic Peters)
2. 09:45 AM - Re: Props and engine mount (JetPilot)
3. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Props and engine mount (Richard Pike)
4. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 (Richard Girard)
5. 10:59 AM - Re: Props and engine mount/propeller selection (jb92563)
6. 11:08 AM - Re: Props and engine mount (jb92563)
7. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Props and engine mount (Ron)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 (Vic Peters)
9. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 (Richard Girard)
10. 04:53 PM - sport pilot (Paul Petty)
11. 05:55 PM - Re: sport pilot (Ralph)
12. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 (WillUribe@aol.com)
13. 06:10 PM - Re: sport pilot (Mike Welch)
14. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: Props and engine mount (HShack@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 |
Thanks Arty, thats one answer.
Rick, I registered it as a ul trainer with EAA. Reasoning was so that I
and my ul instructor could put at least 40Hrs. on it. Otherwise I would
have to pay for fuel for someone else to fly my baby since I have no
license student or sport.
I'm not even sure this will work. Even if it does'nt if I get my license
before 08' I could fly off my own time.
Set me straight if this is wrong.
Vic
912 UL Extra
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Props and engine mount |
captainron1(at)cox.net wrote:
> If I ever wanted proof that I never get what I want here it is. I did
not want a debate about props.
Hahaha,
That was just an irresistable subject :) I just bought a 3 blade warp to replace
my 3 blade Kiev, so that 4 blade had better not perform better ! What engine
do you have, and are you going to get the Warp Drive 4 blade ?
I went to the war drive, because the Kiev is so light is scares me to use it.
On a pusher if anything goes through it from the engine, it will explode into
a million peices. I also had an airline inspector look at it ( he also flys
ultralights ) and he was worried about how light the hub was, and if it would
hold up over time. I think a Kiev would be perfect for a 2 stroke engine, but
I just dont trust it on a 912 - S.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Props and engine mount |
I borrowed a 3 blade Kiev from a friend, size and shape optimized for an
HKS, 2 seat CGS Hawk, and mounted it on the Kolb with 582, B box, similar
reduction ratio. Compared against a 68" two blade Ivo, the Ivo gave better
results. Details in the archives.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Props and engine mount
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I think a Kiev would be perfect for a 2 stroke engine, but I just dont
trust it on a 912 - S.
>
> Mike
>
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> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 |
Okay, Vic, now I understand. Being registered as a UL trainer doesn't help
you with the Jan 31, 2008 deadline.
If you are building now, can you reasonably expect to finish by Jan 31,
2008? In actuality you would need to be finished sometime before this date.
The last notice I got from FAA said they would gaurantee anyone who
submitted their packet by Nov 30, 2207 that they would get their E-LSA
experimental certificate.
Now, if you can reasonably expect to meet the deadline, go online and get
form 8050-88A, reserve an N number if you want a custom number, and call the
nearest FAA FSDO and ask them to send you a form 8050-1 registration
application. Fill out the two forms, make a copy of the letter granting you
the custom N number and send it along with a Postal Money order for $5 and
send it to the address shown on the form 8050-1 and in three weeks or so
you'll get your registration.
If you want to go EAB then proceed at your own pace and don't sweat it. When
you want to register you'll use use form 8050-88 instead of 8050-88A,
otherwise the process is exactly the same but there is no time limit.
Rick
On 3/29/07, Vic Peters <vicsvinyl@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Arty, thats one answer.
> Rick, I registered it as a ul trainer with EAA. Reasoning was so that I
> and my ul instructor could put at least 40Hrs. on it. Otherwise I would have
> to pay for fuel for someone else to fly my baby since I have no license
> student or sport.
> I'm not even sure this will work. Even if it does'nt if I get my license
> before 08' I could fly off my own time.
>
> Set me straight if this is wrong.
>
> Vic
> 912 UL Extra
> Maine
> do not archive
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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"Ya'll drop on in"
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when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Props and engine mount/propeller selection |
Note: When using that "Prop Selector" program the fields "Output Power" + "Absorbed
Power" must be less than or equal to the max HP your engine puts out at
the selected RPM.
If they tally up to more then that, it means in reality your engine can not spin
the prop as fast as you selected and/or have over proped the engine.
Try lower pitch/Diameter or RPM until you get the HP your engine is capable of
for that RPM.
I designed my own prop selector program as well that automatically reduces the
Dia or Pitch for the HP of your engine.
Unfortunately it does not go past 40" diameter. I may have to haul it out and revise
it for bigger diameters.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Props and engine mount |
Knowing a fair bit about props I though that i would mention that
more blades increase the thrust but reduce the top end.
So if you want more low end thrust as in a climb optimized prop then go for the
extra blade, but if you are lacking top end speed the the 4th blade will slow
you even more than the 3 blade.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Props and engine mount |
I was looking at that wood prop in 4 blades, I forget the name Kentucky props or
something like that. Seemed fairly reasonable price wise for a starter prop.
Ron (Arizona)
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---- JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
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captainron1(at)cox.net wrote:
>If I ever wanted proof that I never get what I want here it is. I did not want
a debate about props.
Hahaha,
That was just an irresistable subject :) I just bought a 3 blade warp to replace
my 3 blade Kiev, so that 4 blade had better not perform better ! What engine
do you have, and are you going to get the Warp Drive 4 blade ?
I went to the war drive, because the Kiev is so light is scares me to use it. On
a pusher if anything goes through it from the engine, it will explode into a
million peices. I also had an airline inspector look at it ( he also flys ultralights
) and he was worried about how light the hub was, and if it would hold
up over time. I think a Kiev would be perfect for a 2 stroke engine, but I just
dont trust it on a 912 - S.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
!!!
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kugelair.com
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 |
Hey Rick, I should have plenty of time to finish before Nov.
Last question. Will I still have to fly off 40 hrs. after I convert to
elsa even If we already have logged that many hrs. this summer ?
If you've already answered tht excuse me it must be the drugs from the
60's.
Vic
912 UL Extra
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 |
If you register your aircraft experimental amateur built (EAB) and you have
a non certificated engine and propellor you will be assigned a 40 hour test
period. It is illegal to fly an uncertificated aircraft so I don't know how
previously logged hours would play out with the FAA or a DAR.
If you register experimental light sport aircraft (E-LSA) you would get a 5
hour test period. I have heard of having the test period waved based on
logged hours, but that's just hearsay.
Rick
On 3/29/07, Vic Peters <vicsvinyl@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Rick, I should have plenty of time to finish before Nov.
>
> Last question. Will I still have to fly off 40 hrs. after I convert to
> elsa even If we already have logged that many hrs. this summer ?
>
> If you've already answered tht excuse me it must be the drugs from the
> 60's.
>
> Vic
> 912 UL Extra
> Maine
> do not archive
>
> **
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Hey guys,
Can a sport pilot fly an EAB aircraft as long as it meets the LSA limits i.e.
gross weight, speed ,HP, fixed gear prop ect???????
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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Absolutely! I'm doing right now.
Ms Dixie will be well within LSA requirements.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar, EAB
N91493
-- "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com> wrote:
Hey guys,
Can a sport pilot fly an EAB aircraft as long as it meets the LSA
limits i.e. gross weight, speed ,HP, fixed gear prop ect???????
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08 |
Rick,
I registered my 503 Rotax powered Kolb FireStar II as an experimental
amateur built and only got a 5 hour test period. It was inspected by a DAR and
an
FAA inspector who was checking out the DAR. It has been a long time so I
can't remember where in the regs an ultralight type aircraft can be assigned a
5
hour test period but I pointed it out to them and they both concurred to give
me the 5 hour test period.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
_http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/_ (http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/)
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: E-LSA before and after 1-31-08
If you register your aircraft experimental amateur built (EAB) and you have
a non certificated engine and propellor you will be assigned a 40 hour test
period. It is illegal to fly an uncertificated aircraft so I don't know how
previously logged hours would play out with the FAA or a DAR.
If you register experimental light sport aircraft (E-LSA) you would get a 5
hour test period. I have heard of having the test period waved based on logged
hours, but that's just hearsay.
Rick
On 3/29/07, Vic Peters <_vicsvinyl@verizon.net_
(mailto:vicsvinyl@verizon.net) > wrote:
Hey Rick, I should have plenty of time to finish before Nov.
Last question. Will I still have to fly off 40 hrs. after I convert to elsa
even If we already have logged that many hrs. this summer ?
If you've already answered tht excuse me it must be the drugs from the 60's.
Vic
912 UL Extra
Maine
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Paul,
Yes. You would need a Sport Pilot License to fly the Experimental
Amateur Built airplane. You would have the normal Class B type airspace
restrictions, trip distance restrictions, etc., and the EAB airplane would
have its requirements, too. As you mentioned, things like....fixed gear,
fixed prop,
max gross limitations, max cruising speed, etc.
Mike in SW
Utah
PS. And beyond the "required" part, it makes just plain good sense to have
at least a sport pilot license. The fact is, most EAB type aircraft (MkIII,
Kolbra's, Xtra's, etc.) will spend a fair amount of time landing at a lot of
local airports. There's a lot that the "pilot" of that EAB airplane should
know in order to be safe, and not endanger himself and the other GA types
out there. Things like; correct radio proceedure, proper flight ettiquette
entering for entering an airport traffic pattern, and a host of a bunch of
other things. Or you could just go without a radio, and land at private
strips, and not sweat it.
>From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: sport pilot
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:52:55 -0700
>
>
>Hey guys,
>
>Can a sport pilot fly an EAB aircraft as long as it meets the LSA limits
>i.e. gross weight, speed ,HP, fixed gear prop ect???????
>
>--------
>Paul Petty
>Kolbra #12
>Ms Dixie
>Final assembly!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103776#103776
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Props and engine mount |
In a message dated 3/29/2007 12:46:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
I think a Kiev would be perfect for a 2 stroke engine, but I just dont trust
it on a 912 - S.
Robert Broadwell of the Trenton Flyers has a 3 blade Kiev on a Mk III with
912S; no problems in approx. 300 hrs. & over 900 water landings, shows no wear.
I have one on my FSII; it replaced a Warp 3 blade. It's quieter than the
Warp, I like the scimitar shape & the bronze leading edge. I think it is much
easier on the gearbox.
To each his own.....
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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