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1. 05:47 AM - folding wings (joe)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2007 (jimhefner)
3. 06:29 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2007 (Roger Lee)
4. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL (Russ Kinne)
5. 06:51 AM - Re: folding wings (bklebon@aol.com)
6. 07:04 AM - Re: folding wings (Ralph)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: Weight and Balance (TheWanderingWench)
8. 08:00 AM - Re: Weight and Balance (pat ladd)
9. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL (pat ladd)
10. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL (pat ladd)
11. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2007 (pat ladd)
12. 08:40 AM - Re: AN AMSOIL STATEMENTS... (pat ladd)
13. 08:51 AM - Re: folding wings (chris davis)
14. 09:02 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2007 (Mike Welch)
15. 09:05 AM - Re: Weight and Balance (John Williamson)
16. 09:32 AM - Re: folding wings (Terry)
17. 10:03 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2007 (John Hauck)
18. 10:23 AM - Re: folding wings (JetPilot)
19. 10:46 AM - Re: AN AMSOIL STATEMENTS... (knowvne@aol.com)
20. 10:46 AM - VW Redrive Update (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
21. 10:58 AM - Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana (Jack B. Hart)
22. 11:04 AM - Re: VW Redrive Update (JetPilot)
23. 11:05 AM - My new FLYING machine ( Not Kolb ) (planecrazzzy)
24. 11:07 AM - Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana (JetPilot)
25. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: VW Redrive Update (Jack B. Hart)
26. 11:46 AM - Re: VW Redrive Update (R. Hankins)
27. 12:28 PM - Re: Weight and Balance (russ kinne)
28. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: VW Redrive Update (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
29. 02:22 PM - Re: My new FLYING machine ( Not Kolb ) (Larry Bourne)
30. 02:22 PM - Re: VW Redrive Update (cspoke)
31. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana (Jack B. Hart)
32. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana (John Hauck)
33. 05:09 PM - Re: My new FLYING machine ( Not Kolb ) (planecrazzzy)
34. 05:45 PM - Re: SUV (Don G)
35. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana (thumb)
36. 06:06 PM - Re: folding wings (Arksey@aol.com)
37. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: VW Redrive Update (JR)
38. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Props and engine mount (HShack@aol.com)
39. 07:09 PM - Re: VW Redrive Update (Ron)
40. 07:43 PM - April story (Bob Noyer)
41. 08:06 PM - Re: folding wings (joe)
42. 08:55 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2007 (John Bickham)
43. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: folding wings (possums)
44. 10:08 PM - Re: folding wings (R. Hankins)
45. 10:14 PM - intercom (icrashrc)
46. 10:15 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance (TheWanderingWench)
47. 10:58 PM - Re: Re: VW Redrive Update (possums)
48. 11:31 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
49. 11:35 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Could someone tell me what the actual time it takes to unfold the wings. I know
sometimes what you read is what it takes with a perfect situation. If you fly
with a trailer I am wondering how long on average it takes to get everything
set up, preflight and ready to go.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
Dennis Kirby told me recently that he is planning to fly his MkIII to MV this year
so I added him to the list.
John Williamson
Jim Hefner
John Bickham (you are going to fly the mkIII out, aren't you?)
Boyd Young
John Hauck
Steven Green
Larry Cottrell and Karen
Arty Trost
George Thompson
Jim and John Clayton?
Will Uribe
Dave Raines
Larry Bourne
Rick Neilsen
Dennis Kirby
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Jim Hefner
Kolbless in Tucson :(
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
Hi Jim,
Haven't heard from you in ages. When are we going fly together? I can come over
there and pick you up or you can come to Ryan.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL |
Jack
Nor would I want to fly with a 10-lb weight on one wingtip. But once
in rural Oregon I saw a picture of a Cub that had flown home with a
dressed-out deer, weighing over 100 lb , hanging from the wing-strut
attach point on the left wing!
Amazing it would fly at all -- but the Cub is one very special
aircraft that occasionally does the impossible.
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On Mar 31, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>
> From: N27SB@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:41:12 EDT
>
>> It is interesting to look at an example of a Tail-less Pusher like a
> Long-EZ and see the results. On mine with a 160 hp engine and a
> 64x79 pitch
> wide blade prop there was almost no rudder change across idle to
> full power.
> P factor and torque are real issues but I agree with the Kolb
> Masters that
> the main culprit is wash on the vertical tail.
>
> Steve and Kolbers,
>
> Out of curiosity, I looked at the magnitude of the propeller torque
> that has
> to be resisted by the FireFly in the roll axis for level flight.
> Assuming
> that under cruise conditions the engine is developing a torque of
> 40 foot
> pounds. Multiplying by the belt ratio (2.7) gives 108 foot pounds
> torque
> that the air frame must resist. To compensate most add trim some
> where in
> the roll control system. Another possibility is that one could add
> weight
> to the propeller down swing wing tip to dynamically balance out the
> torque.
> I would have to add 108/11 or 9.82 pounds to the right wing tip to
> prevent
> torque roll off at cruise. For those who are moving up the hp
> scale, the
> amount could easily double and triple. I would not want to try to
> takeoff
> or land a FireFly with a 10 pound weight on one wing tip.
>
> Not practical but interesting.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
It's been my experience that it takes 1/2 hour from the time you roll your airccraft
out of the trailer until you are in the air. The preflight is something
you don't want to rush.
-----Original Message-----
From: okjoek2000@yahoo.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: folding wings
Could someone tell me what the actual time it takes to unfold the wings. I know
sometimes what you read is what it takes with a perfect situation. If you fly
with a trailer I am wondering how long on average it takes to get everything set
up, preflight and ready to go.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
It can be done comfortably inside of 20-25 minutes without rushing. I
have over 450 wing-folds on my Original Firestar as I store it in my
garage and trailer it to the strip. Here's the procedure: Load it on
the trailer, 20 minutes, drive to strip 10 minutes, unload and set up
30 minutes, preflight 5 minutes or longer. So it's about an hour and
I'm flying.
Ralph
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
N91493
-- "joe" <okjoek2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Could someone tell me what the actual time it takes to unfold the
wings. I know sometimes what you read is what it takes with a perfect
situation. If you fly with a trailer I am wondering how long on
average it takes to get everything set up, preflight and ready to go.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
Following up on Charlie's remarks:
The type of scales you use will also make a
difference. I used two bathroom scales - semi-good
ones that cost about $40 each. I raised the tail for a
level attitude. (My Drifter is a taildragger.) I
discovered that the placement of the wheel on the
scales made a different - unless the tire was exactly
in the middle of the scale, the weight could vary by
5-8 lbs./wheel. So I noted the weight on each side,
then swapped the scales, weighed again, and took an
average of the two for each side.
Our club is going to be discussing weight and balance
this Tuesday, and we'll also discuss buying calibrated
scales for club members' use.
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
--- Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Do the Kolb plans specify attitude when you do the
> W&B? Most planes are
> weighed in flight attitude & perfectly level from
> side to side. Tail
> weight can vary a *lot* depending on whether the
> plane is level. Using
> one scale would mean a platform the height of the
> scale for the other
> main wheel. Most procedures specify ramps to get the
> mains on the
> scales. That's 'cause if you pick up the plane &
> lower it on the scales,
> the side load as the mains try to spread out again
> can affect the
> scale readings.
>
> Weighing should be inside with doors shut, no wind,
> fans, etc (affects
> scale readings).
>
> The Kolb might fly fine without these details, but
> it's SOP on homebuilts.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie
> Fly it up to Slobovia when you get your A/W cert.
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
The type of scales you use will also make a difference. I used two bathroom
scales >>
Hi,
When I weighed my Challenger I took the bathroom scales I used to a
department of the local Council which was responsible for ensuring that
tradesmen and shopkeepers used `approved` weights and measuring devices and
they checked my scales against `certified` weights. At least then I had an
`approved` starting point.
The `level` of everything is important too. The floor, the plane, the scales
and if you are only using one scale you must trig the wheels up level . If
using more than one scale they should be swapped around and averaged out.
Here in the UK the use of bathroom scales etc is beginning to be frowned on
by the authorities and the use of `proper` measuring devices is being
pushed. Not too serious yet but it is coming.
In the UK the weight of the plane is the main factor in deciding if the
plane is an ultralight or not so although getting the weight and balance
wrong could kill you using a little imaginative weighing technique could
keep you in the ultrlight category.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL |
came up with the dimensions and photos I shared a couple days ago.>>
Hi John,
I saw the pics. Very neat. You didn`t intend it to work loose did you?
Challengers come with a clear perspex adjustable trim tab which rivets onto
the tail plane trailing edge. I fitted it to one side only. As far as I
could see its main job was to stop the tail plane banging on the ground when
the pilot released the stick .
I never bothered with one on the rudder as she yawed around the sky pretty
much where she wanted to go anyway.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL |
Newton: Equal and opposite reaction.>>
Hi Dana. Of course you are right. Silly me.
Exit stage left .with knuckles dragging on the ground.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
I added him to the list.>>
Hi,
theres a list?. Add me to it. Wendy and I will be there. Sans airplane I am
afraid but even with the big tank the Atlantic is a major obstacle although
I am expecting the Hauck to turn up in the UK any day.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: AN AMSOIL STATEMENTS... |
Are their 2 stroke oils approved for aircraft engine use???>>
Hi,
I shoudn`t worry. My Rotax 503 and every other one I have ever seen has a
sticker saying `Not approved for use in aircraft`
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
Joe, folding the wings took me twenty minuets ,by myself if someone "helped" me
it would take half an hour!!!! chris
----- Original Message ----
From: joe <okjoek2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2007 8:46:14 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: folding wings
Could someone tell me what the actual time it takes to unfold the wings. I know
sometimes what you read is what it takes with a perfect situation. If you fly
with a trailer I am wondering how long on average it takes to get everything
set up, preflight and ready to go.
Joe
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| Subject: | Monument Valley 2007 |
I plan on making it, so I put my name on the list. Mike Welch
>So........Who is coming to MV 2007?
>
>Off the top of my head:
>
>John Williamson
>Jim Heffren
>John Bickham (you are going to fly the mkIII out, aren't you?)
>Boyd Young
>John Hauck
>Steven Green
>Larry Cottrell and Karen
>Arty Trost
>George Thompson
>Jim and John Clayton?
>Will Uribe
>Dave Raines
>Larry Bourne
>Mike Welch
>That's good enough for a starter. If I missed you, add your name to
>the list.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
Hi Paul, Arty and All,
I have only been dioing weight and balance for the last 37 years and still am able
to find something new every time.
You normally can't go wrong by using the FAA guidance. Here is the link to the
2007 version on the "Weight and Balance Handbook":
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/FAA-H-8083-1A.pdf
If you use a set of bathroom scales, it will work better if you place a 3/4" board
between the tire and the scale to spread the weight across the scale.
I use two scales under each main wheel and one under the tail wheel, all at the
same time so the airplane stays level. On the main wheels, I put the scales very
close together but not touching. I lay a 2"X'6"X18" board across them that
has some small chocks attached to it. I zero the scales with the lumber on them
and proceed to do the weighing.
Good luck.
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
joe wrote:
>
>Could someone tell me what the actual time it takes to unfold the wings. I know
sometimes what you read is what it takes with a perfect situation. If you
fly with a trailer I am wondering how long on average it takes to get everything
set up, preflight and ready to go.
>Joe
>
>
>
Joe,
Depends on whether your doing the timing from the decision to fly or
just to unfold the plane. From the time I decide to fly, pull the
FireFly out of the shed hanger at home, attach it to my car to tow over
to the field, unfold and rig, install radio, headset and GPS, do
preflight, it takes at least an hour. I forgot to mention cleaning the
bugs and dirt off the leading edges and the prop and clean the
windshield. Add to that a few minutes to run up the engine before
actual take off and you have about another 10. I have to tow about one
half mile to my airstrip.
Just to unfold the FireFly is pretty straight forward once you establish
a routine. About 10 to 15 minuets.
The most unpleasant part is having the reverse the procedure when
finished flying and when your tired and it is usually getting dark. Not
to mention the wife getting impatient with my delaying dinner "again".
While I would love to have a hanger at my airstrip, some day "maybe",
landlord willing, at least the Kolb designs allows me to fly without
having to drive long distance to do so and I have it here at home to be
able to fuss with it at my convenience.
Sorry you asked?
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
| Jim Heffren
| John Bickham (you are going to fly the mkIII out, aren't you?)
| Boyd Young
| John Hauck
| Steven Green
| Larry Cottrell and Karen
| Arty Trost
| George Thompson
| Jim and John Clayton?
| Will Uribe
| Dave Raines?
| Larry Bourne
| Rick Neilsen
Dennis Kirby
Mike Welch
Hi Gang:
You all can keep adding to the List as required. Cut the list and
paste it in a new email, then add the new name(s).
I am not sure I have included all who said they were coming, so check
the list again and correct as necessary.
Please keep the same subject line and it will stay in the same BBS
thread.
Thanks,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: <SPAM> folding wings |
[quote="tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net"]joe wrote:
>
>
> Not to mention the wife getting impatient with my delaying dinner "again".
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
Thats easily solved, all you need to do is get a Mark III and take her with you
:) The only problem I have now is that my wife wants to take all her friends
flying and leave me at the field...
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: AN AMSOIL STATEMENTS... |
Hey Pat
Sticker didn't mention anything about NOT being approved for use as a
window fan did it? 8-)
Them Electrics really use up the Plug space.. 8-)HAHAHAHAHA
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd@btinternet.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: AN AMSOIL STATEMENTS...
Are their 2 stroke oils approved for aircraft engine use???>>
Hi,
I shoudn`t worry. My Rotax 503 and every other one I have ever seen
has a sticker saying `Not approved for use in aircraft`
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | VW Redrive Update |
Valley Engineering has been working on and testing a update of the
redrive that I have been using on my VW powered Kolb. The update is
designed to solve the harmonic vibration issue that I have had. This is
the same design of redrive that they are using on their V twin powered
"backyard flyer". I'm still asking questions but everything I have heard
so far sounds like a major improvement. The harmonic dampening comes
from a spring loaded tensioner on the slack side of the ribbed drive
belt. If everything checks out I may be the first customer. Hopefully
not a test pilot. They as always are very good to me and will be
offering a trade in/trade up on my old drive for some unspecified, at
this time, amount. The attached is a photo of their new redrive.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana |
Kolbers,
I have been here two years, and so I have checked out just about everything
in the county. I have watched several large animal facilities while they
were under construction. I check out the race track west of Winchester on
weekends during the season. The latest point of interest has been a new
ethanol plant. But today as I headed for the airport, I noticed a plume of
smoke to the east toward Union City. Flew over and found that about one
block of industrial buildings along the railroad track were completely
ablaze. Quite a sight from the air. Flames were leaping to about two
hundred feet into the air. The smoke drifted a little toward the northeast
until it hit about 1,000 feet agl. At this point it was carried away by a
wind coming strong out of the southwest. I made a couple of turns on the up
wind side and headed back to the airport.
You just never can guess what you are going to see.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: VW Redrive Update |
Belts are a problem, always breaking, or stripping thier teeth. The are good
for driving alternators etc.., but for spinning a prop I would much rather have
gears. Rotax did good when they put gears in all thier engines rather than
going with some cheap, jury rigged solution.
Redrive units have a terrible record. I hope you dont hurt yourself or tear up
your plane when that thing fails.
Mike
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| Subject: | My new FLYING machine ( Not Kolb ) |
My new Flying machine on it's way home in the rain....( Soft Tail Deuce )
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
PS I gotta figure out where "Jaz" will ride....
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| Subject: | Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana |
That sounds amazing, lets see the pictures !!!!! I hope you didnt go flying
without your camera ...
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| Subject: | Re: VW Redrive Update |
At 11:03 AM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Belts are a problem, always breaking, or stripping thier teeth. The are good
for driving alternators etc.., but for spinning a prop I would much rather have
gears.
Ron,
139+ hours on the first belt and it still looks very good.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: VW Redrive Update |
> Rotax did good when they put gears in all thier engines rather than going with
some cheap, jury rigged solution.
Rotax did do well with their gear box design. This, however, does not mean that
a belt drive is a "cheap jury rigged solution." Besides, if it is jury rigged,
is it really a solution?
Last year we replaced the gears in one of our chopping machines at work(45HP main
drive) with a belt drive system of our own design. We have not had a failure
yet. Before the upgrade we were losing $3000 worth of gears every 2-3 weeks.
One must simply match the design to the application. A well designed belt
drive will outperform a poorly designed gear drive and vice versa.
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
Some time ago a Kolb pilot's wife gave birth to a daughtger at a
fairly remote fishi g camp. They had to use the same scales they
weighed the freshly-caught fish on. The little girl weighed 47 pounds.
Talk about fat ultralights!
On Apr 1, 2007, at 10:59 AM, pat ladd wrote:
>
> The type of scales you use will also make a difference. I used two
> bathroom scales >>
>
> Hi,
> When I weighed my Challenger I took the bathroom scales I used to a
> department of the local Council which was responsible for ensuring
> that tradesmen and shopkeepers used `approved` weights and
> measuring devices and they checked my scales against `certified`
> weights. At least then I had an `approved` starting point.
>
> The `level` of everything is important too. The floor, the plane,
> the scales and if you are only using one scale you must trig the
> wheels up level . If using more than one scale they should be
> swapped around and averaged out.
>
> Here in the UK the use of bathroom scales etc is beginning to be
> frowned on by the authorities and the use of `proper` measuring
> devices is being pushed. Not too serious yet but it is coming.
>
> In the UK the weight of the plane is the main factor in deciding if
> the plane is an ultralight or not so although getting the weight
> and balance wrong could kill you using a little imaginative
> weighing technique could keep you in the ultrlight category.
>
> Cheers
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: VW Redrive Update |
Mike/All
I agree that a gear reduction drive would seem to be a better solution if it
designed for its application. There are a few universal redrives available
that might work for a VW but without the proper engineering there is a much
better chance of it failing or causing something else to fail than with my
old belt redrive. As for a universal statement that belts are cheap, jury
rigged, and have a terrible record, this isn't the case. This drive
manufacture has hundreds of drives on the market with a good record. This
redrive has had only one failure that I know of (in my plane and no it
didn't hurt me or the plane). The part that failed wasn't the belt, it was
beefed up and is working well. All old drives and drives since now use the
stronger part. This new drive is a evolutionary improvement. As with all
their drives they install, they have more than one belt (my old drive has
three) and test run with one belt to make sure it will carry the load by
itself. Belts do wear and need to be replaced. My current drive belts have
all most a hundred hours on them with no wear. If the new drive belts wear
slightly more but give me a silky smooth operation its a good trade.
I'm not inclined to spend the big bucks for a Rotax motor. With all the work
and money I have spent over the years I could have purchased a 912. But I'm
getting close to a almost as reliable engine package with similar power that
people can put together for one third the price of a 912 and rebuild costs
will be less than a 912 gasket set.
Normally I don't respond to off the cuff comments like this but....
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VW Redrive Update
>
> Belts are a problem, always breaking, or stripping thier teeth. The are
> good for driving alternators etc.., but for spinning a prop I would much
> rather have gears. Rotax did good when they put gears in all thier
> engines rather than going with some cheap, jury rigged solution.
>
> Redrive units have a terrible record. I hope you dont hurt yourself or
> tear up your plane when that thing fails.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My new FLYING machine ( Not Kolb ) |
Nice toy, Mike. You need a milk crate on the passenger seat for her. Now
you gotta put a Kolb sticker on the tank to keep the purists happy.
:-) Lar. Do not Archive.
On 4/1/07, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> My new Flying machine on it's way home in the rain....( Soft Tail Deuce )
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
> PS I gotta figure out where "Jaz" will ride....
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| Subject: | Re: VW Redrive Update |
Rick,
I am very interested in this new drive for the VW. I am building a MK111 xtra and
I am just about to the point of deciding which engine I will use. Do you know
if Valley Engineering will be at Sun n Fun?
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Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra (in the works)
Lillian, AL
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| Subject: | Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana |
At 11:07 AM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote:
>
>That sounds amazing, lets see the pictures !!!!! I hope you didnt go flying
without your camera ...
>
Kind of diffucult to use a camera in an open cockpit when wearing gloves.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana |
gloves.
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| Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack:
Go to the Cabela's Catalog. Get yourself a pair of expensive
thinsulate/gortex lined shooting gloves. I have been flying with a
pair I bought nearly 20 years ago. Still fly with them when
necessary. They are all I take on the Arctic flights. Probably cost
40 to 50 dollars, but well worth the price. Can manipulate dials,
switches, and cameras.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: My new FLYING machine ( Not Kolb ) |
Hey Big Lar,
Well....it "IS" APRIL FOOLS DAY....
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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biglar wrote:
> Nice toy, Mike. Now you gotta put a Kolb sticker on the tank to keep the purists
happy. :-) Lar.
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We have a Cherokee around here also...225,000 plus miles on it. One overhaul on
the straight 6,.still use it to pull trailers and go to the airport and play
in the snow.
Also have a couple of other psuedo jeeps...
the middle one is actually a "67" Roof palamino, and believe it or not, it was
produced as a fairway mower with a belly deck. I use it to run around the airport
where I keep my Kolb and the Luscombe. much more interesting than a golf cart,
and at the airshows and fly-ins, we use it to haul gas in 5 gal cans to the
aircraft parking ! It has a new v-twin Honda in it and the original hydrostat
tranny!
and the little one I built for my grandaughter, one winter a couple of years ago
when there was not an aircraft project in the shop.
AND cause the barbie jeeps just didnt cut it out here in the country!
to windy to fly today, in either the Kolb or the Luscombe!
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| Subject: | Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana |
Hey guy,s I will be staying in the campground over by the corn roast
area. If any of you get over that way stop in and sit a spell, I would be
glad to have ya.
I am in the market for a new digital camera, mine has the old smart
media card which they don't make anymore, just my luck. I know many of you
have been posting pictures and videos . I am looking for advise as the brand
and type of camera you are using .All advise will be appreciated. I have
been using a Olympus D-460 and has been a good camera. They just don't make
the card for it anymore so I guess it is time to get a new one. Contact me
off list. Thanks for the Info..
Bill Futrell
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sight Seeing Over Randolph County, Indiana
>
> At 11:07 AM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>That sounds amazing, lets see the pictures !!!!! I hope you didnt go
>>flying without your camera ...
>>
>
> Kind of diffucult to use a camera in an open cockpit when wearing gloves.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
Joe,
I have been flying out of the trailer this winter while in florida. This
is the 1st time for me. I have a firestar ll. I can unload the plane from
trailer and take my time getting plane ready to fly and be done in 30 minutes.
I
am sure if I wanted to hurry I could do it in 15 to 20 minutes. Keep in
mind I am 77 years old and do it alone...tis no problem....I do tie the plane
out when the weather is good and when i intend to fly however...why not.
hope this helps you.
jim swan
firestar ll rotax 503
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| Subject: | Re: VW Redrive Update |
Dear Jack, I know Rick Neilsen has a redrive VW powered MKIIIC
139+ hours on the first belt and it still looks very good.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Props and engine mount |
In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:29:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
What kind of engine do you have on your FS II ? Did you notice any
differences in the performance between the Warp and the Kiev ?
I have a 503DCDI. I expected better performance because it "looks" like a
more efficient shape, but no performance increase. Lighter, quieter, better
looking.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: VW Redrive Update |
Hi Rick do they have a web site?
I need a price list.
Ron (Arizona)
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---- Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> wrote:
============
Valley Engineering has been working on and testing a update of the redrive that
I have been using on my VW powered Kolb. The update is designed to solve the
harmonic vibration issue that I have had. This is the same design of redrive that
they are using on their V twin powered "backyard flyer". I'm still asking
questions but everything I have heard so far sounds like a major improvement.
The harmonic dampening comes from a spring loaded tensioner on the slack side
of the ribbed drive belt. If everything checks out I may be the first customer.
Hopefully not a test pilot. They as always are very good to me and will be offering
a trade in/trade up on my old drive for some unspecified, at this time,
amount. The attached is a photo of their new redrive.
Rick Neilsen
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My April story is indirectly Kolb-related, since it ultimately tells
why I left GA and later into Kolb. The first part is up now. Second
part next month. Clik on Next page at end of web site.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
I appreciate all the info. I guess it is not hard on them to fold and unfold the
wings over and over?
Do you consider the Kolb one of the safer planes?
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
With deepest regrets, I will not be attending. I have 23 years company service
and pick last on vacation. May was taken. I really need more time to feel
the bugs out of her anyway. She has been down for a while.
If my off days and your enroute days match up, maybe I could fly a little north
and spend a day/night.
I'll be around soon.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
"Using my Repairman Certificate"
St. Francisville, LA
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
At 11:06 PM 4/1/2007, you wrote:
>
>I appreciate all the info. I guess it is not hard on them to fold
>and unfold the wings over and over?
>Do you consider the Kolb one of the safer planes?
I do - and I've run outa gas at least 5 times - they tell me it is
"Pilot Error" a technology term.
But........ I think it has something to do with the gages ??
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177096133625180462&hl=en
But when then engine's running - it's great !
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6342651231744705575&hl=en
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
Joe:
I keep my firestar in a covered trailer and unfold/fold every time I fly. It takes
me about twenty minutes to roll it out, gas up, unfold, preflight, start
and strap in. I don't like to hurry on the unfold.
I have shut down, folded up and rolled it back into the trailer in a little less
than five minutes when trying to beat an approaching squall, but most of the
time it is an easy fifteen min.
It isn't hard on the plane at all to fold and unfold over and over unless some
clumsy idiot (me) drops a wing tip or rams the pitot tube into the back of the
trailer. I have put a little hanger rash on the old girl folding and unfolding
over the last 8 years, but all of it was avoidable.
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1992 KXP 503
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I'm looking for an intercom for my M3X. There are so many on the market it's difficult
to sort thru them all. I would like it to have a radio input [icom?],
and at least one aux. input but two would be better. Any thoughts, comments or
suggestions? Thanks!
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www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
Thanks, John.
I'm swapping out my two 5-gal. gas tanks for two
30-liter (7.92 gal.) gas tanks, so will be doing a new
weight and balance. I've used a board across the two
scales for the main wheels, but never used two scales
for each main. I'll try it.
See you at MV -
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
--- John Williamson <kolbrapilot1@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> <kolbrapilot1@tx.rr.com>
>
> Hi Paul, Arty and All,
>
> I have only been dioing weight and balance for the
> last 37 years and still am able to find something
> new every time.
>
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| Subject: | Re: VW Redrive Update |
At 03:22 PM 4/1/2007, you wrote:
><NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
>Mike/All
>
>I agree that a gear reduction drive would seem to be a better solution
>
>Normally I don't respond to off the cuff comments like this but....
>
>Rick Neilsen
Me either - since 1999 - when I joined this list with 1,200 UL hours and was a
lot "smarter", about pretty much everything to do with ultalights, including
Kolbs, reduction drives, props, rivets, oil, VG's, etc.
The older I get, the dumber I was.
So I was thinking about adding this as a "sign off" on all my emails -
but, again it is too long.
Dear Sirs:
I would like to offer an apology for my actions of last night. There was no
malice intended. I understand you may not appreciate the humor of my
message; I agree, it was in poor taste and went entirely too far. Again, it
was not meant for the "Kolb List" per se, but since the damage is already
done. I'd like to stress that none of the people listed in my remarks had
anything to do with the list, either by technical assistance or moral
support-except of course "Big Lar", "Beauford" John H. and their like. I
simply chose them because they are names you would recognize and I can
blame (that's what friends are for]. I can't offer any proof of this, but
ask that you accept it anyway. As this is the normal way we treat
"yearlings"-(JetPilot - Put-your-name-here,- I have a whopping 100
hours on my 503).
Possum First Class "yearling" would indicate 100 hrs or one year in service.
But, again, I would like to offer my deepest apologies and my hope that the
damage I have done (even though it was unintentional) can be fixed.
I ask that you use what influence you have to convince others that what
happened was the work of a thoughtless individual, not an entire squadron and
I am truly sorry.
I would like to be able to tell you that this sort of thing will never
happen again, but frankly, I can't make that commitment,
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If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
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and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
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of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kolb-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
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digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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email distribution as normal.
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for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Kolb-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kolb-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kolb-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kolb-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kolb-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Kolb-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kolb
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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