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1. 03:55 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2007 (pat ladd)
2. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2007 (pat ladd)
3. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2007 (Dave Carr)
4. 05:29 AM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (snuffy@usol.com)
5. 05:43 AM - Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points (Jack B. Hart)
6. 06:08 AM - Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points (Dana Hague)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Twinstar (joe)
8. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (N27SB@aol.com)
9. 06:31 AM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Rick Pearce)
10. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points (Ralph)
11. 06:56 AM - Powerfin Prop & safety wire (Rick Pearce)
12. 07:08 AM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (knowvne@aol.com)
13. 07:19 AM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Larry Bourne)
14. 07:26 AM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (knowvne@aol.com)
15. 07:29 AM - Re: Powerfin Prop & safety wire (Richard Girard)
16. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2007 (Craig Nelson)
17. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (Craig Nelson)
18. 07:40 AM - Re: Powerfin Prop & safety wire (Rick Pearce)
19. 07:44 AM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (snuffy@usol.com)
20. 08:09 AM - MKIII Update (John Hauck)
21. 08:12 AM - Re: Assembly manual on CD (icrashrc)
22. 08:51 AM - Re: MKIII Update (Bob Dalton)
23. 09:12 AM - Re: MKIII Update (JetPilot)
24. 09:40 AM - Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points (Ron)
25. 09:59 AM - Re: MKIII Update (John Hauck)
26. 10:02 AM - Re: MKIII Update (John Hauck)
27. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (N27SB@AOL.com)
28. 10:06 AM - Re: Twinstar (Scott Mac.)
29. 10:47 AM - just flying (Larry Cottrell)
30. 11:06 AM - Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points (Dana Hague)
31. 11:18 AM - Not yet kolb related,,,The flying saucer :-) (Eugene Zimmerman)
32. 11:32 AM - Re: just flying (John Hauck)
33. 11:36 AM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Richard Pike)
34. 12:04 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (snuffy@usol.com)
35. 12:29 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Eugene Zimmerman)
36. 12:38 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Richard Pike)
37. 01:28 PM - Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up (JRatcli256@aol.com)
38. 01:32 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (snuffy@usol.com)
39. 01:51 PM - Re: Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up (planecrazzzy)
40. 01:53 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (knowvne@aol.com)
41. 02:11 PM - Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points (Jack B. Hart)
42. 02:14 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Richard Pike)
43. 02:58 PM - Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points (Dana Hague)
44. 03:11 PM - Planet Earth (Larry Bourne)
45. 03:12 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (snuffy@usol.com)
46. 04:11 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Richard Pike)
47. 05:02 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Bob Noyer)
48. 05:19 PM - Re: MKIII Update (Todd Fredricks)
49. 05:34 PM - Re: Planet Earth (planecrazzzy)
50. 05:36 PM - Re: Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up (JRatcli256@aol.com)
51. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points (robert bean)
52. 05:57 PM - Re: Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up (Craig Nelson)
53. 06:09 PM - Re: Planet Earth (JetPilot)
54. 06:20 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (russ kinne)
55. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Twinstar (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
56. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Planet Earth (Larry Bourne)
57. 06:32 PM - Re: MKIII Update (John Hauck)
58. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Planet Earth (Larry Bourne)
59. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Planet Earth (John Hauck)
60. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Planet Earth (Larry Bourne)
61. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Planet Earth (John Hauck)
62. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Planet Earth (Larry Bourne)
63. 07:28 PM - Re: MKIII Update (Beauford T)
64. 07:34 PM - Attachment Pins (Mike Welch)
65. 07:39 PM - Re: Attachment Pins (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
66. 07:50 PM - Re: MKIII Update (N27SB@aol.com)
67. 07:57 PM - Re: MKIII Update (John Hauck)
68. 08:00 PM - Re: MKIII Update (N27SB@aol.com)
69. 08:40 PM - update on Aviron (Ron)
70. 08:57 PM - Re: MKIII Update (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
and what is a Cordwaiter, Coronet???? >>
Hi Tim,
CordwaiNer (with an `n`) is a shoemaker. Great word isn`t it? Local name
for a cobbler is a `snob`. I don`t know.
Coronet. Being republicans I wouldnt expect you to know that. It is a small
crown worn by inferior royalty..
Aint words fascinating?
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
tea for breakfast >>
Well of course old chap. You don`t mean to tell me that there are barbarians
who do NOT have tea for brekkers. Along with the kedgeree and the toast and
the marmalade and the sausages and the bacon and the eggs...Gadzooks! Seems
that things have become very slack in the colonies.
Look forward to meeting everyone. (Note that I did not say `Meeting up
with`)
Cheers(and toodley pip)
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
Ta Mate, and a Pint of Bitters to please 8-)
DEC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2007
>
> tea for breakfast >>
>
> Well of course old chap. You don`t mean to tell me that there are
> barbarians who do NOT have tea for brekkers. Along with the kedgeree and
> the toast and the marmalade and the sausages and the bacon and the
> eggs...Gadzooks! Seems that things have become very slack in the
> colonies.
>
> Look forward to meeting everyone. (Note that I did not say `Meeting up
> with`)
>
> Cheers(and toodley pip)
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
> Given the lack of a signature to his obvious expression of disbelief
> in our Savior I'm betting he doesn't mind
> if we all believe he's covered in FEATHERS
I don't mind at all. I'm quite used to people that believe in all kinds of
strange ideas. Some that I know even teach their children that the
concept of a father that plots to have his own son put to death is
something beautiful and worthy of societies admiration. What types of
human behavior can then be taught to them as being reprehensible?
All these ideas were presented to the world by men that thought the
world was flat, the sun orbited the earth, etc, etc. and that man
couldn't ever fly. Let alone in a Kolb.
Kirk Smith aka; Snuffy
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points |
At 01:39 AM 4/8/07 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Sorry about the "Easter Bunny" thing if it offended anybody .just a
>funny picture.
>
Possum,
Suspected pin failure?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points |
At 12:23 AM 4/8/2007, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>...Calculating the bending stress for the pin with
>the load placed at the pin center calculates out to be 58,000 psi for 4 g
>and 92,000 psi for 6 g. The minimum tensile stress values for 4130 is
>75,000 psi yield and 95,000 psi ultimate. This indicates for the FireFly
>there is a safe margin for the pin at 4 g with no deformation. If you want
>to put it through 6 g the pin may deform but it is not likely to separate...
Just two comments: Clevis pins and AN bolts are typically heat treated to
125 ksi ultimate... but you must also figure the 1.5 safety factor.
-Dana
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I am just wondering if the twinstar is a good solid plane that flys well and just
an older versiion of the Mark lll. Or is the Mark lll just so much better
that one shouldn't even consider the older twinstar.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
In a message dated 4/7/2007 4:29:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
paulpetty@myway.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com>
Wow Steve thats pretty! You da man with that fiberglass no doubt!
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
Thanks Paul,
I have been wanting to build a tank for awhile but did not get to it. Just
goes to show you though that it is hard to improve on the original design. I
added 1.5 lbs to my Firefly.
Steve Boetto
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
Possums I love your sense of humor Keep it up.
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points |
I have checked my clevis pins many times over the years and they don't
seem to wear. I have replaced the wing pins only 3 times in 20 years
only because I thought I should.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
-- "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net> wrote:
Oops, I should quickly add that I have never heard of a safety pin
falling
out, so no basis for that irrational concern either :-)
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Souder [mailto:flykolb@pa.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points
Re: Pins & some anecdotal evidence:
I recall a number of collisions, crashes and other instances where
Kolbs
have come to unusually abrupt stops. I recall seeing the square
tubing to
which the wing tabs are attached ripped in half - but I have never
seen a
failed pin. So, for crash loading (and probably inflight loading as
well)
you will probably have more productive time worrying about the
strength of
the tube to which the pin is attached because it appears to be the
weaker
link. Personally I have spent more time thinking about the safety pin
falling out or ... thinking if I actually installed the pin or not.
When
you land and are putting the airplane away and find an unused safety
pin ...
then you'll spend more time thinking / worrying about more worthwhile
things.
Dennis
>There are hundreds of Kolbs out there and there are even a few Kolbs
that
>have thousands of hours on them with in-flight loads over gross and
the
>has never been even a bent pin (from flight loads).
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| Subject: | Powerfin Prop & safety wire |
Do you need to safety wire the outer two bolts on the Power Fin prop? I
went ahead and did them but it looks real funky. I'm thinking on
removing them. I'm more worried about throwing the prop out of balance
with that much safety wire that far out on the prop.
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
Some that I know even teach their children that the
concept of a father that plots to have his own son put to death is
something beautiful and worthy of societies admiration.
Kirk
Actually it's your Understanding of what God did for you that needs
Review.....
You fail to see the sacrifice made for you and choose to explain it
away
as a Plot to kill kids.... You attempt to Demonize the history instead
of
reading and understanding why it happened....
In reality the Bible is Actually the Greatest Love Story ever
written.....
John 3:16 go read it..
It was no plot as you allege but a Demonstration of Love using a
sacrifice
which was a common occurrence in the day...
What greater show of Love to his own Creation than to send and
sacrifice
him self in the form of a man JESUS? Then Prove to the world that he
was
the TRUE god by coming back to life as predicted and Promised...
It was a demonstration of power and Love to a people searching for a
real
GOD...
If you read the bible you'll see that Christ had many opportunities to
deny
who he was and escape the painful death he endured AND that he
predicted
was coming, yet didn't........ Instead he wilfully chose the Cross for
you..
"PLOT" ok yes it was a plot by GOD but not as you believe, The only "
Plot "
was to show Man how much he was loved by their true creator...
Kirk
You today have the same Choice to believe or deny what's been given
you...
Like a horse led to the watering hole you get to choose if your
thirsty enough to drink...
Its your choice as it was in the day of Christ... You can deny him as
many did then or
Believe and praise him as many do today...
Either way the Balls in your court...
Kirk
He has Risen..... And To steal a phrase from Ripley " Believe it or
not "... 8-)
Happy Easter...
Mark Vaughn
PS
If you would like to further discuss this lets take it off the list...
ok
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
Do you guys really think this is the place for this discussion ?? Please
take it off List. Thank you. Lar.
On 4/8/07, knowvne@aol.com <knowvne@aol.com> wrote:
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>
>
> Some that I know even teach their children that the
> concept of a father that plots to have his own son put to death is
> something beautiful and worthy of societies admiration.
>
>
> Kirk
> Actually it's your Understanding of what God did for you that needs
> Review.....
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
Hi Lar
I agree and suggested that..
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: biglar@gogittum.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
Do you guys really think this is the place for this discussion ??
Please take it off List. Thank you. Lar.
On 4/8/07, knowvne@aol.com <knowvne@aol.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List
message posted by: knowvne@aol.com
Some that I know even teach their children that the
concept of a father that plots to have his own son put to death is
something beautiful and worthy of societies admiration.
Kirk
Actually it's your Understanding of what God did for you that needs
Review.....
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin Prop & safety wire |
Rick, I use safety wire on the inner 6 and Locktite 242 on the outter bolts.
Rick
On 4/7/07, Rick Pearce <rap@isp.com> wrote:
>
> Do you need to safety wire the outer two bolts on the Power Fin prop? I
> went ahead and did them but it looks real funky. I'm thinking on removing
> them. I'm more worried about throwing the prop out of balance with that much
> safety wire that far out on the prop.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
Pat
Ohy mate! I might find some fried bread, bangers and beans just for you
and the wife! I lived in England for 2 years around South Hampton,
Wembly, London Redding and Luton. It's been 40 years and can't remember
how to spell the names but remember the breakfast. Also loved the lardie
cakes in the south.
Uncle craig
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pat ladd
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2007
tea for breakfast >>
Well of course old chap. You don`t mean to tell me that there are
barbarians
who do NOT have tea for brekkers. Along with the kedgeree and the toast
and
the marmalade and the sausages and the bacon and the eggs...Gadzooks!
Seems
that things have become very slack in the colonies.
Look forward to meeting everyone. (Note that I did not say `Meeting up
with`)
Cheers(and toodley pip)
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
Steve
I to am impressed with your workmanship. What type of mo0ld did you
make? And what material did you use for the mold?
Uncle craig
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank
In a message dated 4/7/2007 4:29:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
paulpetty@myway.com writes:
<paulpetty@myway.com>
Wow Steve thats pretty! You da man with that fiberglass no
doubt!
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
Thanks Paul,
I have been wanting to build a tank for awhile but did not get to it.
Just goes to show you though that it is hard to improve on the original
design. I added 1.5 lbs to my Firefly.
Steve Boetto
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin Prop & safety wire |
Thanks I think I will go that route.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powerfin Prop & safety wire
Rick, I use safety wire on the inner 6 and Locktite 242 on the outter
bolts.
Rick
On 4/7/07, Rick Pearce <rap@isp.com > wrote:
Do you need to safety wire the outer two bolts on the Power Fin
prop? I went ahead and did them but it looks real funky. I'm thinking on
removing them. I'm more worried about throwing the prop out of balance
with that much safety wire that far out on the prop.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
http://forums.matronics.com
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
> Do you guys really think this is the place for this discussion ??
Please
> take it off List. Thank you. Lar.
I agree. Mythology and superstition has no place here.
Snuf
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Morning Gang:
Happy Easter!
Trying to get my old mkIII updated and ready to fly to Lakeland.
Attached a couple photos of the new, shiny engine on the airframe with
exhaust installed.
A major break was discovering the Airquip engine oil outlet fitting
was going to clear the root tube without using bushings to raise the
engine. I did not know if there was going to be enough clearance
until we set the engine on the airframe. So..........the engine will
remain the same altitude with the 70" prop as it did with the 72"prop.
This will give me 1.75" inches clearance from the tail boom. the 70"
runs much quieter than the 72". Cruises the same and sacrifices a tad
of climb performance. Not much.
Should be able to get the engine installed today, minus coolant hoses
which Paul P is sending me in the morning.
Got all the other jillion parts necessary to do an update. Took a
while to get it all together.
Ronnie Smith is sending me a replacement carb for the new one on the
engine.
Got to get a new Hawker Odyssey battery. Can get one locally. I use
a PC535, 13 AH, 13 lbs:
http://www.batterymart.com/p-odyssey-pc535-battery.html
Well.........this is getting exciting. Always fun to get a new engine
set up and ready for the first startup.
Times a wasting!
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Assembly manual on CD |
I have a few picture i can send you. OK to send them to your earthlink address??
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www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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John,
Looking good, hope everything works out so you can make all your upcoming
events.
Bob D.
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
Looks great John. I need to make one of those caps for the rear of cockpit, I
just have the opening that goes to the prop.
Were you running just a .75 inch prop clearance with the larger 72 inch prop ?
Also why are you putting a new carb on, did you not like the ones that came with
the engine ?
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points |
Good analysis Jack. I don't know about others but I like to see hard math solutions.
One question though, the pin itself is about .25 in diameter that would
take down the psi value by .75 wouldn't it? I have often seen that and just as
often thought that if its predicated on per square inch then when using a fastener
a fraction of a square inch then the strength value should be adjusted accordingly.
So if you would what is the real sheer value, or the bend tolerance
value of the pin using the math. I am also wondering about SS fasteners. In
several places I replaced AN bolts with SS bolts. I think I came across somewhere
in the past that standard SS fasteners are stronger in all respects than AN
fasteners. Would you know anything about that? I can't remember where to look
up those values.
Ron (Arizona)
========================
---- "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
============
At 05:06 PM 4/5/07 -0700, you wrote:
Michael,
I got to wondering what would be the load and stress condition on the strut
and main wing attachment pins for the FireFly. I took some measurements
from the FireFly. I found:
Distance from upper fuselage pin to end of wing - 10.5 feet
Distance from upper fuselage pin to upper strut pin - 3.83 feet
Angle of strut to wing - 45 degrees.
Assuming a gross weight of 500 pounds, one can simulate the loading by
placing a point load of 250 pounds at the center of the wing. Below is a
crude representation of the wing. "A" represents the upper fuselage pin.
"B" represents the upper strut pin(s). "L" is the lift concentrated at the
center of the wing over the main spar. We can get away with this because we
are interested in pin loads and not the stress distribution of the main
spar. "y-up" indicates the load pin is up, etc.
y-up y-up
A<----3.83'---->B<-1.42'->L<-------------5.25'------------|
y-down 250#
Summing the moments about Pin A gives:
5.25' x 250# - By x 3.83' = 0
By = 5.25x250/3.83 = 343#
Summing forces in Y gives Ay = 343 - 250 = 93# up
Looking at the strut attachment, we know it lies at a 45 degree angle.
Therefore we know that Bx has to have a value of 343 pounds. Multiplying by
the square root of two tells that the upper strut attachment pins must share
485 pounds and this total load must be carried by the single lower pin. The
upper wing support pin must with stand the square root of 93 squared plus
343 squared, which equals 355 pounds.
Therefore for a one g the loads are:
Wing fuselage attachment pin -> 355#
Upper wing strut pins -> 243# each
Lower wing strut pin -> 485#
The FireFly info states it was designed for 4 g yield and 6 g ultimate. For
the single lower strut 5/16 inch OD pin the corresponding loads would be
1,832# and 2,910#. Looking at the lower end structure the pin is supported
in a 9/16 inch wide clevis. Calculating the bending stress for the pin with
the load placed at the pin center calculates out to be 58,000 psi for 4 g
and 92,000 psi for 6 g. The minimum tensile stress values for 4130 is
75,000 psi yield and 95,000 psi ultimate. This indicates for the FireFly
there is a safe margin for the pin at 4 g with no deformation. If you want
to put it through 6 g the pin may deform but it is not likely to separate.
Never thought I would do this. But since the question came up and it is
cold and snowing, here it is. It all goes to show that if you are gentle in
the way you treat your FireFly, it will be kind to you too.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
Hi Mike:
My mistake.
I meant to say fuel pump. For years Pierberg supplied Rotax with 912 fuel pumps.
They went out of business and looks like an AC on there now. Rotax has a
recall on certain serial number engines that have these new pumps installed.
Mine was one of them. It is an even swap with Rotax for the replacement. Ronnie
Smith is sending me one that should get here in a couple days. Something
about possible fuel overpressure.
Sorry for the confusion.
Would like to swap Bing carbs for fuel injection though. ;-)
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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
Mike B:
Forgot to answer this one.
Yes, I was running 3/4" prop tip clearance with the 72" prop. I am a firm believer
in keeping the engine as low in the airframe as I can.
Now I will have a whopping 1.75" clearance with the 70".
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MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
Thanks Craig, It is a 2 part Split mold that incorporates a joggle to allow
for an internal overlap seam. This is a negative draft shape so you have to
go two part. The first generation tooling that you see here is what I pulled
the parts off. If I need to make more I will pull a Mold Master from these and
make a production mold.
I used basic Polyester Resin and tooling quality Gelcoat. The Tank you saw
on the past post is actually a trial run to see if everything goes together and
a final real version will be made of resins more suitable for gasoline and
the newer 10% ethanol fuels.
The lower part of the tank is the same part with the flange cut off. It can
be cut to any length to allow for a range of 5 gal through 9 gal.
I understand that you have done quite a bit of glass work so I am interested
in your input.
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FF 007
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joe wrote:
> I am just wondering if the twinstar is a good solid plane that flys well and
just an older versiion of the Mark lll. Or is the Mark lll just so much better
that one shouldn't even consider the older twinstar.
> Joe
I'm fairly new to Kolbs, but I just purchased a '91 Mk II, I was told by the
previous owner that the only difference between the II & III is the the size of
the tail boom and wing spars. The Mk II uses 5" tubes while the Mk III uses
6" tubes. This enables the Mk III to use a larger engine.
Ive yet to fly this plane but other owners that I've talked to have nothing put
priase for it.
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MK II
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I posted some time ago a small video of wild horses that was so bad,
someone asked where they were. :-) Unfortunately I am very disappointed
in the quality of the video's as well, but am stuck with the equipment
that I have. I did take a still picture of a pair of wild horses that
have been hanging around close in the area, and also one of the runway
from the air.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points |
At 12:40 PM 4/8/2007, Ron wrote:
>One question though, the pin itself is about .25 in diameter that would
>take down the psi value by .75 wouldn't it? I have often seen that and
>just as often thought that if its predicated on per square inch then when
>using a fastener a fraction of a square inch then the strength value
>should be adjusted accordingly. So if you would what is the real sheer
>value, or the bend tolerance value of the pin using the math.
Two points: First, the tables giving the rated strength of AN fasteners
list the actual strength (tensile or shear) of that particular fastener, in
pounds, so no calculation is necessary. If you *were* doing the
calculation, you'd figure the cross sectional area; for a 1/4" diameter pin
the area is 0.049 in=B2.
For bending it's a different situation. The tables don't list this (since
bolts aren't supposed to be loaded in bending). In this case you have to
treat it as a little beam, figuring the length, loads, diameter, and moment
of inertia to calculate the actual stress.
A pin or bolt that's double the diameter has 4X the tensile or shear
strength, and 8X the bending strength.
-Dana
-Dana
> I am also wondering about SS fasteners. In several places I replaced AN
> bolts with SS bolts. I think I came across somewhere in the past that
> standard SS fasteners are stronger in all respects than AN fasteners.
> Would you know anything about that? I can't remember where to look up
> those values.
>
>Ron (Arizona)
>
>========================
>---- "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>============
>
>At 05:06 PM 4/5/07 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Michael,
>
>I got to wondering what would be the load and stress condition on the strut
>and main wing attachment pins for the FireFly. I took some measurements
>from the FireFly. I found:
>
>Distance from upper fuselage pin to end of wing - 10.5 feet
>Distance from upper fuselage pin to upper strut pin - 3.83 feet
>Angle of strut to wing - 45 degrees.
>
>Assuming a gross weight of 500 pounds, one can simulate the loading by
>placing a point load of 250 pounds at the center of the wing. Below is a
>crude representation of the wing. "A" represents the upper fuselage pin.
>"B" represents the upper strut pin(s). "L" is the lift concentrated at the
>center of the wing over the main spar. We can get away with this because we
>are interested in pin loads and not the stress distribution of the main
>spar. "y-up" indicates the load pin is up, etc.
>
>y-up y-up
>A<----3.83'---->B<-1.42'->L<-------------5.25'------------|
>y-down 250#
>
>Summing the moments about Pin A gives:
>
>5.25' x 250# - By x 3.83' = 0
>
>By = 5.25x250/3.83 = 343#
>
>Summing forces in Y gives Ay = 343 - 250 = 93# up
>
>Looking at the strut attachment, we know it lies at a 45 degree angle.
>Therefore we know that Bx has to have a value of 343 pounds. Multiplying by
>the square root of two tells that the upper strut attachment pins must
share
>485 pounds and this total load must be carried by the single lower pin. The
>upper wing support pin must with stand the square root of 93 squared plus
>343 squared, which equals 355 pounds.
>
>Therefore for a one g the loads are:
>
>Wing fuselage attachment pin -> 355#
>Upper wing strut pins -> 243# each
>Lower wing strut pin -> 485#
>
>The FireFly info states it was designed for 4 g yield and 6 g ultimate. For
>the single lower strut 5/16 inch OD pin the corresponding loads would be
>1,832# and 2,910#. Looking at the lower end structure the pin is supported
>in a 9/16 inch wide clevis. Calculating the bending stress for the pin with
>the load placed at the pin center calculates out to be 58,000 psi for 4 g
>and 92,000 psi for 6 g. The minimum tensile stress values for 4130 is
>75,000 psi yield and 95,000 psi ultimate. This indicates for the FireFly
>there is a safe margin for the pin at 4 g with no deformation. If you want
>to put it through 6 g the pin may deform but it is not likely to separate.
>
>Never thought I would do this. But since the question came up and it is
>cold and snowing, here it is. It all goes to show that if you are gentle in
>the way you treat your FireFly, it will be kind to you too.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Not yet kolb related,,,The flying saucer :-) |
The flying saucer snapped up by US army
http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/
articles/technology/technology.html?
in_article_id=447317&in_page_id=1965&in_a_source
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Hi Larry C:
Can not wait to get back out to your neck of the woods. Counting the
days. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
Neither does being gratuitously obnoxious and provocative, and if I remember
right, you started it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: <snuffy@usol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
>
>> Do you guys really think this is the place for this discussion ??
> Please
>> take it off List. Thank you. Lar.
>
>
> I agree. Mythology and superstition has no place here.
>
> Snuf
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
>
> Neither does being gratuitously obnoxious and provocative, and if I
remember
> right, you started it.
> Richard Pike
Seems like somebody else mentioned christianity and easter bunnies
not having anything in common. Maybe somebody's memory is failing.
I didn't attack anyone personally. Just stated my opinion on the
superstition/myth.
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
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On Apr 8, 2007, at 3:03 PM, snuffy@usol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Neither does being gratuitously obnoxious and provocative, and if I
> remember
>> right, you started it.
>> Richard Pike
>
>
> Seems like somebody else mentioned christianity and easter bunnies
> not having anything in common. Maybe somebody's memory is failing.
> I didn't attack anyone personally. Just stated my opinion on the
> superstition/myth.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
And for your next trick, I suppose you will go to the nearest mosque, stick
your head in the door, and make some snide reference about Muhammad and
pigs?
Why do you think you can come on the Kolb list and make a rude and
inflammatory remark about Christians on the evening of their most sacred
holiday, and everybody is supposed to be cool with it? Just like your latest
remark about superstition/myth. You have reached a new low in gratuitous
rudeness.
Let me repost for you an excerpt from the list guidelines -
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally
attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.You have
certainly managed to provoke that last sentence...Richard PikeMKIII N420P
(420ldPoops)Pastor, Blountville Community Chapeldo not archive----- Original
Message -----
From: <snuffy@usol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
>
>>
>> Neither does being gratuitously obnoxious and provocative, and if I
> remember
>> right, you started it.
>> Richard Pike
>
>
> Seems like somebody else mentioned christianity and easter bunnies
> not having anything in common. Maybe somebody's memory is failing.
> I didn't attack anyone personally. Just stated my opinion on the
> superstition/myth.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up |
Hi all,
Am working on the gap seal on My Mark 3x.
The fairing comes supplied with Velcro to fasten the fairing to the
windshield. This leaves a gap/step along the front edge of the fairing about 1/8"
to
3/16"and ---
1. Looks bad to me
2. Leaves an area that would allow air pressure to get under the front edge
(trying to peel it up)
3. Allow water/moisture access (not good for the adhesive)
4. Doesn't seem like it would do a very good job of smoothing the air flow
with that much of a lip.
Was wondering how others have treated this area.
John Ratcliffe
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike"
<richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> And for your next trick, I suppose you will go to the nearest
mosque, stick
> your head in the door, and make some snide reference about
Muhammad and
> pigs?
> Why do you think you can come on the Kolb list and make a rude
and
> inflammatory remark about Christians on the evening of their most
sacred
> holiday, and everybody is supposed to be cool with it? Just like your
latest
> remark about superstition/myth. You have reached a new low in
gratuitous
> rudeness.
> Let me repost for you an excerpt from the list guidelines -
> - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
> polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments,
personally
> attack
> other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
> controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate
that
> will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.You
have
> certainly managed to provoke that last sentence...Richard PikeMKIII
N420P
> (420ldPoops)Pastor, Blountville Community Chapeldo not archive----
- Original
Perhaps if you can't stand opposing points of view on your religion
you should leave it off list where it belongs. This list is no Mosque or
church.
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| Subject: | Re: Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up |
I think most people make their own Gap seal....Not too many people
like the Fabric one with Velcro that comes with the kit.....
Although , I think I've seen "1" with the stock one on....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
Let it be Rich
Mr . Snuff will see the light when the light's SNUFFED 8-(
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: richard@bcchapel.org
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
Neither does being gratuitously obnoxious and provocative, and if I
remember right, you started it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message ----- From: <snuffy@usol.com>
To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
>
>> Do you guys really think this is the place for this discussion ??
> Please
>> take it off List. Thank you. Lar.
>
>
> I agree. Mythology and superstition has no place here.
>
> Snuf
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points |
At 09:04 AM 4/8/07 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Just two comments: Clevis pins and AN bolts are typically heat treated to
>125 ksi ultimate... but you must also figure the 1.5 safety factor.
Dana,
In the analysis I used there was a built in fudge factor, in that I did not
remove the weight of the wing. The upper pins support only that weight of
the structure attached to the wing. Assuming each wing weighs 30 pounds (I
have never weighed one), the one g pin loads would be reduced.
Therefore the one g loads change from => to:
Wing fuselage attachment pin -> 355# => 312#
Upper wing strut pins -> 243# each => 214#
Lower wing strut pin -> 485# => 427#
The 4g/6g load on the lower strut pin would be 1708#/2562# and the
corresponding pin bending stress would be 54,100psi/81,100psi.
On heat treated bolts the yield strength moves higher toward the ultimate
strength. Assuming 0.7 x 125,000 = 88,500 psi is the yield strength, the
lower pin is not loaded beyond the elastic limit. Both of the 4g/6g
stresses give a greater than 1.5 safety factor (1.64/1.54).
If the pin size was reduced from 5/16 to 1/4 inch OD, the 4g/6g pin stress
would be 78,200psi/117,300psi. The safety factor calculates out to
1.13/1.07.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
I have no problem dealing with opposing points of view on religion. That's
my job description. That's where I live. Bring it on, no problem.
My problem is with someone gratuitously starting something inappropriate to
the list that is unnecessary, uncalled for and rude. This is not about
religion, it is about gross bad manners on the list. Rudeness happens on
this list. Several years ago I was rude to John Hauck, I apologized, he
accepted, and we are still buds.
In this case - things will apparently turn out differently.
I'm done.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: <snuffy@usol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
> Perhaps if you can't stand opposing points of view on your religion
> you should leave it off list where it belongs. This list is no Mosque or
> church.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points |
At 06:22 PM 4/8/2007, Jack B. Hart wrote:
<snip>
Jack, I think we agree... it's strong enough. :)
-Dana
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The citizens of the United States are getting the government they deserve.
The problem is that I'm also getting the government they deserve.
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I just watched the Polar episode of the Planet Earth series on Discovery HD
Channel, and was spellbound at the photography. This is among the most
terrific shows I've ever seen, and I can only wish I had the opportunities
to try and duplicate their work, but they had 5 years to totally dedicate to
it, and apparently a great source of funds, too. I'm very glad I sprang for
the HD set - there's nothing like it. Some of their work I can attempt in
Vamoose - one of these days. Others......they had to have used those little
2 man portable hot air balloons they showed in Africa to get way above the
critters and use a strong telephoto for the shots. The animals didn't seem
disturbed, so it had to be something quiet like that. Does anyone know more
about them ?? I can see a use for at least 3 flying machines. A Kolb to
duplicate the kind of great shots Larry Cottrell took last week on his
"strafing run," which hadta be a gas. Then, the balloon, to hover more or
less quietly, way above the action, and a powered parachute to cruise slowly
thru the hills, forests or mountains. Hmmm.........all that and a boat, too
?? Let's see - how big a trailer would I need ?? What a way to dream away
a Sunday afternoon, eh ?? DayDreamin' Lar.
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike"
<richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> I have no problem dealing with opposing points of view on religion.
You sure do . I recall a personal email from you attacking muslims not
knowing my religion or lack of. As I recall it was pretty demeaning and
degrading to muslims and I was offended by it. Hope your done with
your religious posts to the list.
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
My apologies to sending you something offensive. I meant to send it to a
different Smith, and apparently sent it to you by mistake. Please accept my
apologies for sending you something offensive OFF LIST.
Now...
If you were offended, why did you not chew my hind end OFF LIST instead of
troubling the list with this trivial foolishness? If your problem was only
with me, why wait until the evening before Easter to offend all the
Christians on the list? Something's bogus here...
And as far as being degrading and offensive to Muslims -
As a Bible scholar, and as one who takes eschatology and comparative
religions seriously, I stand by what I wrote. I even preached a sermon about
it.
So for the benefit of those on the list that are wondering what has snuffy's
panties in such a wad, it is here:
http://www.bcchapel.org/resource/archives/20061231.html
My apologies to the rest of the Kolb list.
I am really tired of this garbage.
I hope this is the end of it...
I am really ready to get back to happier topics.
Like Seafoam...
or Vortex Generators...
or anything else...
One more thing... do not archive
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: <snuffy@usol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike"
> <richard@bcchapel.org>
>>
>> I have no problem dealing with opposing points of view on religion.
>
> You sure do . I recall a personal email from you attacking muslims not
> knowing my religion or lack of. As I recall it was pretty demeaning and
> degrading to muslims and I was offended by it. Hope your done with
> your religious posts to the list.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
SeaFoam? SeaFoam! Did I hear correct(ly) Hope not! Lettuce awl bee
knice, now.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/...April story (part one) up
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
Hey John,
I like the new landing gear.
Todd
On 4/8/07 11:09 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> Morning Gang:
>
> Happy Easter!
>
> Trying to get my old mkIII updated and ready to fly to Lakeland.
>
> Attached a couple photos of the new, shiny engine on the airframe with
> exhaust installed.
>
> A major break was discovering the Airquip engine oil outlet fitting
> was going to clear the root tube without using bushings to raise the
> engine. I did not know if there was going to be enough clearance
> until we set the engine on the airframe. So..........the engine will
> remain the same altitude with the 70" prop as it did with the 72"prop.
> This will give me 1.75" inches clearance from the tail boom. the 70"
> runs much quieter than the 72". Cruises the same and sacrifices a tad
> of climb performance. Not much.
>
> Should be able to get the engine installed today, minus coolant hoses
> which Paul P is sending me in the morning.
>
> Got all the other jillion parts necessary to do an update. Took a
> while to get it all together.
>
> Ronnie Smith is sending me a replacement carb for the new one on the
> engine.
>
> Got to get a new Hawker Odyssey battery. Can get one locally. I use
> a PC535, 13 AH, 13 lbs:
>
> http://www.batterymart.com/p-odyssey-pc535-battery.html
>
> Well.........this is getting exciting. Always fun to get a new engine
> set up and ready for the first startup.
>
> Times a wasting!
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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| Subject: | Re: Planet Earth |
Oh crap....you mentioned PPC
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Hey big Lar,
Sounds like the "Spark" might be re-lit to git Vamoose goin.
Gonna tell us what the new plan is....still a secret ?
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| Subject: | Re: Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up |
Mike,
The gap seal material that was supplied in my kit for the Mark3x
(2) Wing Nose Ribs as formers
.060 Lexan sheet for covering
1/2" Aluminum Angle for bracing
(1) Fiberglass Windshield/Gap Seal Fairing
(2) Springs to hold down the rear end of the gap seal
Velcro to attach the Fiberglass fairing to the windshield
The gap seal is removed by releasing the Velcro between the fiberglass
fairing & windshield at the front/sides and detaching the two springs at the rear.
My concern is the large lip created by the velcro/fiberglass fairing
combination, across the top of the windshield.
Are other builders using the velcro to attach the fiberglass fairing to the
windshield or are there better methods to accomplish this?
John Ratcliffe
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Wing Attach Points |
I too don't worry about the pins breaking. Falling out maybe.
Although my plane is parked near the house in the summer
it IS out of view. I am perhaps a little paranoid about the safety
pins and possible brainless pranksters, so I make a
point of either feeling or viewing each and every pin at each
preflight. Since I never fold them I will most likely go
to regular threaded pins soon. My only modification has been a splop
of clear RTV at the lower strut attach to stop
the taxi rattles. It pulls off easily when the struts are removed in
the winter.
BTW, a snap roll, performed at near stall and providing you have
enough rudder to get it to go, doesn't stress anything much.
-Maybe the pilot? :) The worst that can happen is you will be
looking at the ground through the front. window.
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| Subject: | Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up |
John
I did not take to the gap seal in the plans ether. I not only made a
perminant gap seal but made a fire wall and opted to have the engine
outside the plane there are pictures at www/milows.com
Uncle craig
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Subject: Kolb-List: Gap Seal Fairing Fit-up
Hi all,
Am working on the gap seal on My Mark 3x.
The fairing comes supplied with Velcro to fasten the fairing to the
windshield. This leaves a gap/step along the front edge of the fairing
about 1/8" to 3/16"and ---
1. Looks bad to me
2. Leaves an area that would allow air pressure to get under the front
edge (trying to peel it up)
3. Allow water/moisture access (not good for the adhesive)
4. Doesn't seem like it would do a very good job of smoothing the air
flow with that much of a lip.
Was wondering how others have treated this area.
John Ratcliffe
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| Subject: | Re: Planet Earth |
PPC, dont you have one Mike ? We probably should not talk about them there,
or who knows how many of us will trade in our Kolbs for PPC's :)
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
i agree totally
Russ K
On Apr 8, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Larry Bourne wrote:
> Do you guys really think this is the place for this discussion ??
> Please take it off List. Thank you. Lar.
>
> On 4/8/07, knowvne@aol.com <knowvne@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Some that I know even teach their children that the
> concept of a father that plots to have his own son put to death is
> something beautiful and worthy of societies admiration.
>
>
> Kirk
> Actually it's your Understanding of what God did for you that needs
> Review.....
>
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yes I had a mk2 a 503 and you will be happy as a clam. I alwase thout if I
had a chance to get another one I would put a 532 on it and it would be a
real cheep plane strong with plenty of power the perfict low cost fun flying
machine A big diference between the first twinstar and a mk2 no factory
suport but a real strong design malcolm michigan kitfoxer
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| Subject: | Re: Planet Earth |
Secrets. Yah, I wish. You should've seen the Mexican guys at work who
still don't know me too well, when I said something to them and one said,
"we shouldn't tell anyone." I said, "yah, es una secreto. No le digas a
nadia." It means, "it's a secret. Don't tell anyone." They didn't expect
that from me, and it busted them up. I think they're still laughing.
Working here is a gas, and I'm glad I came. Vamoose ?? No definite plans
yet, but the weather's finally warming a bit and I'm getting ready to start
cleaning it up some. Santa Fe airport is fairly big and fairly old, with
weeds at the ends of the hangars, etc., and looks like some pretty nice
people there. I'll find out more next weekend. Vamoose in it's trailer is
parked at the end of a hangar. Lar. Do not
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On 4/8/07, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh crap....you mentioned PPC
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
>
>
> Hey big Lar,
> Sounds like the "Spark" might be re-lit to git Vamoose
> goin.
>
> Gonna tell us what the new plan is....still a secret ?
>
> --------
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105769#105769
>
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
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| I like the new landing gear.
|
| Todd
Hi Todd:
Is it ok to talk about Kolb aircraft, or do I have to piss and moan
about religion, dead bunnies, and busted easter eggs. BTW I did not
get the first easter egg or dead bunny today. I am disappointed.
However, I did get a belly full of whining about "my" religion and
somebody else's dead bunny and busted easter eggs.
Actually, those high speed, low drag, landing gear are quite old.
Those came in my 1986 Firestar kit, 5" Azusa nylon wheels and little
bitty tires. Flew my first flight in the FS with them and immediately
took them and the standard 1" aluminum gear legs off and replaced with
something a little more substantial.
Not being blessed with a 50 by 100 ft hanger/shop to work in, I have
to make do with what I have. I build airplanes in a shoe box of a
basement. No way I could get the fuselage inside with the standard
Hauck Gear installed. So.........I use my Ernie Gear, named after my
old Bassett Hound, Ernie Hauck. They come in handy for more than just
squeezing the fuselage into the basement. When I transported the
broken mkIII from Muncho Lake, BC, July 2000, I was able to load the
fuselage in the enclosed 24' trailer by myself with my little Ernie
Gear installed. Of course, I had no choice because I had destroyed
the Hauck Main Gear in the accident.
So that's the story and I am sticking to it.
Wonder if we will get another dead bunnie next year?
john h
mkIII
PS: I like "spirituality" much better than "religion" anyhow. Man
makes too many rules to follow with his religions. Spirituality has
no rules and a direct link with the Man!!! Hang in there folks.
Better times are coming, and I'm going flying this week. ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Planet Earth |
Hey, it's all flying, and I for one enjoy the flying talk. Those who don't
can hit "delete" real easily. Lar. Do not
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On 4/8/07, JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> PPC, dont you have one Mike ? We probably should not talk about them
> there, or who knows how many of us will trade in our Kolbs for PPC's :)
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105776#105776
>
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| Subject: | Re: Planet Earth |
| Sounds like the "Spark" might be re-lit to git
Vamoose goin.
|
| Gonna tell us what the new plan is....still a secret ?
Mike:
Larry is going to buy one of those instant flyer PPC's and get in the
air this weekend. With the winds they have in Santa Fe, he'll have to
tether it to get home if he flies down wind. But at least he will be
flying. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Planet Earth |
Don't even need that. In Santa Fe, I just spread my cape and away I go.
Should be fun on Hallowe'en.
I'm watching that 2 man portable hot air balloon on Planet Earth right now,
and it's.........fascinating. Just figure the potential. Find the game
with Vamoose and spy on 'em with the balloon. Yah, shore.
Lar, lookin' forward to MV. Do not Archive.
On 4/8/07, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Vamoose goin.
>
> Mike:
>
> Larry is going to buy one of those instant flyer PPC's and get in the
> air this weekend. With the winds they have in Santa Fe, he'll have to
> tether it to get home if he flies down wind. But at least he will be
> flying. ;-)
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Planet Earth |
Find the game
| with Vamoose and spy on 'em with the balloon. Yah, shore.
| Lar, lookin' forward to MV.
Well..............let me know how the steering works on that hot air
bag. ;-)
john h
mkIII (equipped with steering stick and power lever)
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| Subject: | Re: Planet Earth |
Actually, the one they showed had a small backpack engine on it and it
looked perty slick, but it didn't look like the pilot was too competent. He
went thru the treetops several times - hard. Nope, interesting and all, but
I'll stick with Vamoose. Someday, anyway.
Lar. Do not Archive.
On 4/8/07, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Find the game
>
> Well..............let me know how the steering works on that hot air
> bag. ;-)
>
> john h
> mkIII (equipped with steering stick and power lever)
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
It's gonna be the Christmas Armadillo.... I'm already all over it....
Beauford
FF 076
Brandon, FL
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>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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Hi All,
Just curious. Has anyone done any stress analysis tests on the attachment
pins that carry the hotair balloons or the PPC's?? No?? Then don't!!!
Sorry, just a little disgusting humor from:
Mike in SW
Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Attachment Pins |
I have some attachment pins for any one that wants them call I will ship
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
John,
I"ll give you 100 bucks if you land at SnF with them little Snoopy Legs.
;-)
steve
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
Snoopy Legs.
| ;-)
|
| steve
Steve:
No Snoopy Legs. Only Ernie Gear. Ole Ern would be PO'd if he knew
you referred to his main gear in those words. Bassetts don't like
Snoopy stuff.
It's a deal. $100 for each landing. If I bounce 5 times, that's
$500. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Update |
In a message dated 4/8/2007 10:58:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
It's a deal. $100 for each landing. If I bounce 5 times, that's
$500. ;-)
So we're talkin your reglar landin here?
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| Subject: | update on Aviron |
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| steve do not archive
Steve:
Gotta make a livin' somehow.
john h
mkIII
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