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1. 01:58 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2007 (pat ladd)
2. 02:10 AM - Re: Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (pat ladd)
3. 02:14 AM - Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (pat ladd)
4. 03:53 AM - Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (icrashrc)
5. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 05:28 AM - Re: Twinstar (joe)
7. 06:29 AM - Re: Mark II Weight and balance (Thom Riddle)
8. 07:03 AM - Re: Firestar II for sale...N.W. Florida (Blumax008@AOL.COM)
9. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (Ron)
10. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (John Hauck)
11. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (N27SB@aol.com)
12. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (John Hauck)
13. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 12:20 PM - the BBC (Paul Petty)
15. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (Ron)
16. 02:52 PM - wing bounce (tc1917)
17. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (John Hauck)
18. 03:15 PM - Re: wing bounce (John Hauck)
19. 03:15 PM - Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Pollus)
20. 03:15 PM - Re: the BBC (Paul Petty)
21. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. (Beauford T)
22. 04:14 PM - Re: wing bounce (JetPilot)
23. 04:17 PM - Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (JetPilot)
24. 04:17 PM - Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (JetPilot)
25. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (DAquaNut@aol.com)
26. 06:01 PM - Re: Mark II Weight and balance (Scott Mac.)
27. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (Ron)
28. 07:17 PM - Ron Mason MKIIIx (John Hauck)
29. 07:17 PM - Ron's MKIIIx Photo's No. 2 (John Hauck)
30. 08:01 PM - Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank (JetPilot)
31. 08:43 PM - Fw: Hauck's 912ULS Install (John Hauck)
32. 08:44 PM - Hauck's 912ULS Install (2) (John Hauck)
33. 08:57 PM - Re: Fw: Hauck's 912ULS Install (Robert Laird)
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
a tiny dash of Creme de Cassis >>
Thanks Lar,
I will remember that.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
Since when has the US become a Tolerant Society? Did we not send Millions to
die to preserve it as is in all the wars?>>
Hi Dave,
I think you are a bit hard there. The major wars were fought so that you
could be a tolerant or intolerant society AS YOU DESIRED.
You wouldn`t have had much choice under Hitler or Tojo.
Cheers
Pat
(Loved the Easter Bunny)
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| Subject: | Re: M3X incidence & dihedral |
Also is this 1.5deg per wing panel or combined? >>
Hi Scott,
if you change the dihedral angle by 1.5 degrees at each panel you will have
a unique and very eyecatching design.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
Steve,
Thanks for the info. Let us know if your tank stands the test of time or if you
discovery a new miracle resin @ S-n-F.
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Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
Scott,
Great news, got to talk to an engineer at one of the resin mfg yesterday.
There are several formulas that have already addressed the ethanol situation.
He has been testing samples in the lab for some time now and gave me two to
choose from. What is interesting is that a mixture of 15% ethanol and
gasoline is far more caustic than 100% ethanol.
The main problem that I have is that gasohol is not available here. If
someone would like test some samples or a tank for me let me know.
Steve
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Scott, Ed, and Malcolmb,
I really appreciate you information on this older plane.
I think my questions aren't very interesting to many on this site. I understand
that, they have much more interest in the more current models. They are a lot
further along than I am. But I want to thank you for being willing to spend
a little time with someone just trying to start out.
I do however have another question on this older plane. This comes from my lack
of knowledge on flying. Is not having flaps a big deal?
I have been looking in to getting my sport pilot license, just having a problem
finding an instructor in my area. Then maybe my questions will not be so elementry.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Mark II Weight and balance |
Typically, the CG of a person sitting with legs extended out somewhat
is about 10" forward and above the seat surface where it connects to
the back surface. This came from an ergonomics book I used as a
reference many years ago when doing machine design. How fat (or not) a
person is does not really affect the CG location much because much of
the extra ballast is concentrated near this point.... I know mine is.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II for sale...N.W. Florida |
Excellent condition 2004 Firestar II for sale in the Tallahassee area. 235
hours total time on Hobbs. Rotax 503, dual ignition, single carb, 2nd. carb &
line included but not attached...wanted to keep it simple. BRS-750, mechanical
heel brakes, "top to bottom" windshield, sides are open, overall white with red
& blue trim, 10 gallons fuel, prop or pull rope start, hangared, no N number,
no trailer, will fly to any southeastern U.S. location with $1,000
non-refundable deposit. Email for photos. Will be on barnstormers soon. $10,500...Thank
you!
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
I was faced with the same question, as to the type of tank to construct for the
M3X. I took the easy way out and constructed it out of aluminum 5000 series.
The tanks are light made out of .050 and strong. I found a shop that does those
for boats and RV's, build them. I drew the plans and faxed it over to them and
without ever seeing the people had the tanks constructed. I picked them up
on my way back from Vegas (went to see Bob Seger there) at Lake Havasu AZ. Never
saw any of those people, it was Sunday they left the tanks for me in the back
of the shop. These tanks are exactly the way I wanted them. It looks like I
will have around 27 gallons of computed fuel. Will have to wait for a fill up
to know exactly.
I am not by any means knocking composite fuel tanks, its just that to me it seems
much simpler to pay someone some extra bucks get top quality stuff and be done
with that.
Ron (Arizona)
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In a message dated 4/9/2007 9:12:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
icrashrc@aol.com writes:
So what is a suitable resin for gasoline and gasohol?
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Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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Hi Scott,
I have been getting up to speed on that recently. Years ago I used Safe T
Poxie on a Long EZ. I checked the 22 year old tanks last year and they were
still perfect. However only Avgas has been used. Gasoline and Gasohol is a
different story.
In the past some epoxies were sensitive to the toluene and other additives
in Hi test but regular leaded was ok. The new problem appears to be Ethanol.
The boat industry is getting hit hard with this because many older boats had
built in fiberglass tanks that worked for years but are now failing due to 10%
ethanol mix.
Most companies seem to be using vinyl ester and a few are coating the tanks
with a special Phenol based epoxy.
SO, As far as My Opinion, I plan to use vinyl ester for the tank
construction and then coat the inside with Phenol epoxy. I also plan to avoid the
use of 10% ethanol which is easy here in Florida . I will also keep some test
samples in fuel and monitor them from time to time. You can also get some
tell tale signs on your spark plugs if the Ethanol is oxidizing the resin
matrix.
The nice thing about the Firefly is that you can remove the tank in minutes
and replace if needed. Since this is a molded part I can build new ones as
needed.
Continued research will be done while I am at SnF this year. It will be
interesting to see how some of the composite AC companies are handling this Issue.
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
It looks like I will have around 27 gallons of computed fuel.
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| Ron (Arizona)
Ron:
Please post a photo of your new fuel tanks, I understand you ended up
with two.
Depending on the shape they ended up in, would be pretty easy to
calculate capacity of each.
I had to wait and use the one gal jug to compute the capacity of my
tank, but it is built in the same shape as the inside of the upper
rear area of the fuselage. An engineer could do it but not a high
school drop out.
john h
mkII
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
In a message dated 4/10/2007 11:54:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
captainron1@cox.net writes:
I was faced with the same question, as to the type of tank to construct for
the M3X. I took the easy way out and constructed it out of aluminum 5000
series. The tanks are light made out of .050 and strong. I found a shop that does
those for boats and RV's, build them.
Hi Ron, I am familiar with Alum tanks. The problem is with weight. The
composite Tank comes in at under 2 lbs. A welded Aluminum tank in this size
range is almost 10 lbs. That is a prohibitive weight in a Firefly. Also, the
Geometry for large tanks are more forgiving if you compare Gal/Lb. And by
the way, Most Composite tanks did not have a problem until the advent of 10%
Ethanol.
Has anyone thought about potential problems with Slosh Sealers and Ethanol?
Will they suffer from similar breakdown from Ethanol? If I had a tank with
a sealer in it I would be checking on what to expect if I use Gasohol.
My guess is that as 10% ethanol fuels are mandatory across the country more
problems will arise.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
Steve B:
I sloshed my aluminum tank in 1991, with Randolph slosh and seal for
av gas, auto gas, and alcohol. A looked into the tank for the first
time in 15 years a few minutes ago. Proud to say it looks like brand
new in there.
Unfortunately, Randolph quit selling this slosh and sealer some years
ago. There are others out there, primarily for the antique auto,
tractor, motorcycle bunch. They are supposed to be alcohol resistant.
I have heard good and bad from people. I think the folks that had
problems were folks that did not adhere strictly to the instructions.
My first tank in the Firestar was not sloshed and it had a couple
nagging pin hole leaks I could not get to properly to seal. Big
mistake not sealing.
I have two marine tanks, welded, 5052 alum, that were professionally
machine welded, production tanks. Neither has ever had a problem
after riding in the back of the old Dodge Cummins for the past 11
years. Hard to match production type alum welding for quality.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
In a message dated 4/10/2007 2:30:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Hard to match production type alum welding for quality.
john h
mkIII
I think that is the key John, I have seen welded tanks in boats fail but
they are usually hand welded.
I am also looking at some spun Alum tanks as an option, Maybe that can get
some weight out.
See you next week.
steve
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Hey gang,
I know this is gonna sound stupid but, Any of you that use the BBC for your kolb
mail ever wish it would post the most recent post first? I have for some time
and allmost asked Matt if he could add this feature. Dummy me just noticed
at the botton there is a "tab" for just that! [Rolling Eyes]
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
Hell John I took a bunch of pictures this weekend and tried to get it posted here
already. Including the rail mount that I just finished welding.
I forget my pass word for matronics and everything else, I am getting older every
day and I don't like it. I already forgot what I was trying to tell you.
As for figuring out fuel volume its easy do a google for volume and they will give
you the formula.
If you want I'll email you the photos and then you can post them for me.
Ron (Arizona)
BTW I am going to fly Col, Henke's Skybolt to Massachusets in the next few days.
Gotta stop every 200 miles or so for a fill up. My butt is already numb.
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---- John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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It looks like I will have around 27 gallons of computed fuel.
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| Ron (Arizona)
Ron:
Please post a photo of your new fuel tanks, I understand you ended up
with two.
Depending on the shape they ended up in, would be pretty easy to
calculate capacity of each.
I had to wait and use the one gal jug to compute the capacity of my
tank, but it is built in the same shape as the inside of the upper
rear area of the fuselage. An engineer could do it but not a high
school drop out.
john h
mkII
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flying with the new warp three blade and have something different from the
IVO. Using an E box on a 582 slingshot. Engine is elevated in order to
fold wing. With warp drive prop I have a definate vibration or what I would
rather call a wing bounce on the left wing when I reach about 86 indicated.
Only the left wing. I can see the wing actually go up and down, occilate
and when I slow the engine, it quits. I can make it do it climbing,
straight flight and turning. If I am descending, without the engine imput,
it is okay past 90. My thought is buffet on the wing cause the blade is
coming up on that side. Wonder if I put about 3/4 to 1" spacer between the
box and the blade, maybe that would be enough. Going to try it when the
bolts come in. Another slingshot is just about that far with its big spacer
with a C box. No problem there. What say? Am I on the right track. Dont
want to space it very much cause that move weight back and I cant afford
that. Ted Cowan, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
Ron:
Send me the photos and I will post for you.
That should be a fun flight in the Skybolt. Get a good piece of
"firm" thermafoam.
Tell Jim Hanke I said hello. I may get back out to Siera Vista next
month after MV and Alvord Desert.
john h
mkIII
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Ted C:
Off the top of my head I do not thing the prop is creating wing
bounce/occilation. If it was, the IVO or any prop would likely cause
the same problem.
Ronny Collins had a bad vibration problem with his SS. After a lot of
investigation we found that the rib stitching the builder used,
instead of recommended fabric rivets, had pulled loose back in the
inboard wing areas around the front of the prop. I flew on Ronny and
saw the fabric ballooning up. He fixed the fabric and the problem
went away.
Be sure you fabric is not pulling up back near the prop on top of the
wing.
I was not hesitate to fly the SS with a 4" extension on the prop. Do
not think it will create an aft CG problem. I'm not telling you it is
alright to do that, but if it were my airplane, I'd try it.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
Say... Hitler, was that not the one who lost the battle of Hastings, or was that
Napoleon? And did he fly a Kolb?
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Correction....BBS forum Interface
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit. |
...naw...it was Hitler.... and he flew a Ferguson.....
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Happy Easter - Sorry about the rabbit.
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> Say... Hitler, was that not the one who lost the battle of Hastings, or
> was that Napoleon? And did he fly a Kolb?
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The prop is so close to the CG on a Kolb moving it back even 4 inches with a spacer
is a non issue. Moving the prop back several would have such miniscule effect
on CG that it would never make a bit of difference in the way it flys, stalls,
or anything else.
JettPilot
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| Subject: | Re: M3X incidence & dihedral |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
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>
> if you change the dihedral angle by 1.5 degrees at each panel you will have
> a unique and very eyecatching design.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
You mean something like this ? It would have been funky looking, but it was so
unique and eye catching, that it did not stay that way...
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: M3X incidence & dihedral |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> Also is this 1.5deg per wing panel or combined? >>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> if you change the dihedral angle by 1.5 degrees at each panel you will have
> a unique and very eyecatching design.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
In a message dated 4/10/2007 1:30:30 PM Central Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
> I have two marine tanks, welded, 5052 alum, that were professionally
> machine welded, production tanks. Neither has ever had a problem
> after riding in the back of the old Dodge Cummins for the past 11
> years. Hard to match production type alum welding for quality.
>
>
John,
If a .050 5052 tank is properly welded and tested, preferably TIG ,
there is no need for sealer in the tank. If the welder is not experenced
then It probably does need some sealer, especially if the aluminum was not
cleaned properly prior to the welding process.
Ed Diebel Do Not Archive<BR><BR><BR>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark II Weight and balance |
Ken, are you doing your weight & balance this weekend?
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Scott Mac.
MK II
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
These pics are taken today with the cell phone...
---- John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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Ron:
Send me the photos and I will post for you.
That should be a fun flight in the Skybolt. Get a good piece of
"firm" thermafoam.
Tell Jim Hanke I said hello. I may get back out to Siera Vista next
month after MV and Alvord Desert.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Ron Mason MKIIIx |
Ron's mkIIIx photos.
I'll let him explain them for you.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Ron's MKIIIx Photo's No. 2 |
More Ron's photos.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Fuel Tank |
Steve Boetto wrote:
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>
> I also plan to avoid the use of 10% ethanol which is easy here in Florida .
How do you find gasoline that does not have ethanol ? I also live in Florida,
but I have no idea of the gas I am using has ethanol or not...
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106182#106182
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| Subject: | Fw: Hauck's 912ULS Install |
Hi Folks:
The 912ULS is installed, except for a couple wires and the reg/rec. I
have attached some photos of the nice compact 100 hp package.
Tomorrow will try to get the lexan windshield, doors, and rear quarter
windows cut and installed.
Thurs get the Hauck Gear back under the fuselage after we get it out
of the basement. See if the engine will run after I install the Warp
Drive.
If we have time, will load it up on the deck over and haul it 3 miles
to the airstrip, put the wings and gap seal on, and see if it will
still fly. ;-)
Miss P'fer (pronounced peefer) has not been airborne since 22 Aug 06.
She is as anxious as I am to get flying again.
This will give me a couple days to get everything dialed in and learn
how to fly again. Tue morning will load her up and head for Lakeland.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Hauck's 912ULS Install (2) |
A couple more photos of the 912ULS install.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Hauck's 912ULS Install |
Looks just like mine! Even the exhaust! But, yours is MUCH prettier! :-)
-- Robert
do not archive
On 4/10/07, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> The 912ULS is installed, except for a couple wires and the reg/rec. I
> have attached some photos of the nice compact 100 hp package.
>
> Tomorrow will try to get the lexan windshield, doors, and rear quarter
> windows cut and installed.
>
> Thurs get the Hauck Gear back under the fuselage after we get it out
> of the basement. See if the engine will run after I install the Warp
> Drive.
>
> If we have time, will load it up on the deck over and haul it 3 miles
> to the airstrip, put the wings and gap seal on, and see if it will
> still fly. ;-)
>
> Miss P'fer (pronounced peefer) has not been airborne since 22 Aug 06.
> She is as anxious as I am to get flying again.
>
> This will give me a couple days to get everything dialed in and learn
> how to fly again. Tue morning will load her up and head for Lakeland.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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