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1. 01:25 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2007 (pat ladd)
2. 06:12 AM - broken cage (Gray, Mark)
3. 06:23 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty)
4. 06:25 AM - Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM (John Hauck)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: broken cage (JetPilot)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: broken cage (jb92563)
7. 07:34 AM - Re: (no subject) (jb92563)
8. 08:05 AM - Kolb near Denver (Paul Petty)
9. 08:23 AM - Re: broken cage (The BaronVonEvil)
10. 08:24 AM - Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (icrashrc)
11. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (John Hauck)
12. 10:43 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM (John Williamson)
13. 11:22 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (JetPilot)
14. 11:31 AM - Re: (no subject) (JetPilot)
15. 11:36 AM - Re: (no subject) (Paul Petty)
16. 11:38 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty)
17. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (John Hauck)
18. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (Ralph)
19. 12:03 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM (John Hauck)
20. 12:24 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (JetPilot)
21. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (N27SB@aol.com)
22. 12:49 PM - Re: (no subject) (jb92563)
23. 01:10 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (planecrazzzy)
24. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (N27SB@aol.com)
25. 01:43 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (jb92563)
26. 01:45 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (jb92563)
27. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (David Lehman)
28. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (John Hauck)
29. 03:07 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty)
30. 03:20 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty)
31. 03:27 PM - Re: La Jolla/glider port (jb92563)
32. 03:49 PM - Re: La Jolla/glider port (Paul Petty)
33. 04:27 PM - Re: pictures from a kolb (Bill Vincent)
34. 06:06 PM - Re: broken cage (FLYMICHIGAN@comcast.net)
35. 06:39 PM - Re: pictures from a kolb (Dana Hague)
36. 06:55 PM - Re: pictures from a kolb (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
37. 07:07 PM - Re:M3X incidence & dihedral (JRatcli256@aol.com)
38. 07:47 PM - Re: pictures from a kolb (boyd)
39. 08:07 PM - Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (boyd)
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2007 |
Has absolutely nothing to do with Kolb Aircraft, building or flying>>
Whoops,
Sorry John and All.
this list is the `wrong` way round when compared with other lists which I am
on. On the others hitting `Reply` automatically sends your message to the
individual NOT to the list.
If you wish to respond to the list then the `Cc.` facility is used.. This
tends to keep individual comments off the list.
Still, no excuses. I have been here long enough to know better.
Cheers
Pat
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I have been preparing my Firestar II for its airworthiness inspection
and last night was sitting in it admiring the completed work. As I moved
to exit the plane I heard a band and found myself flat on my back, the
seat back support tube that crossed the cage behind the seat had
separated from the cage sides. The side tubes had been ripped out
leaving gaping fish mouth shaped holes. There was no sign of corrosion
around the welds or in the tubes. If this had happened in flight I
imagine I would have had a lot more to worry about than welding it back
in and a little fabric repair. I don't think it would have been possible
to control the aircraft without the seatback as there is nothing that
could be easily used to support oneself in a position to hold the stick.
I doubt I could have even reached the chute handle since it is located
forward of the throttle.
I weigh 230lb and am not very rough on my bird, so anybody flying a
Firestar II may want to give these connections a good going over. I will
be checking all the welds in my frame with magnaflux as soon as I can
get my hands on one. Total time on the cage is approximately 400 hrs.
Mark Gray
Firestar II N229K
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Thanks guys,
Ray, The name just came to me one day kinda like the idea of BULIDING MY OWN AIRPLANE!
Joe, I started the Kolbra in sept of 2003 and have aprox 900 hrs in her.
Ed, First flight...who knows. I have W&B/registration and inspection to do. One
thing is for sure.... I plan to be riding around KLUL in her before the end of
this month!
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Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM |
Morning Folks:
Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM is 36 pages long. Of all these pages only one
paragraph is necessary to get us ULs and Lt Planes into the UL strip:
April 17-23, 2007 Sun'n Fun Fly-In
ULTRALIGHT ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES
? All arriving and departing ultralight vehicles shall enter and exit
from the south-southwest of
the Lakeland Linder Regional Airport and shall remain below 500 feet
AGL, remaining west of
the large airport buildings.
? Be alert for helicopters arriving and departing at the same
altitudes just to the east of the area
reserved for ultralight operations.
? Radio equipped arriving aircraft monitor 119.25 until north of the
east/west road on the south
airport boundary.
NORDO ultralight aircraft desiring to land at the ultralight grass
strip prior to April 15, 2007, must
pre-coordinate arrival information with the Lakeland Air Traffic
Manager at (863) 648-3305.
We are also the only aircraft authorized to land at LAL NORDO (no
radio).
Back to work. Still got lexan to do before I get the fuselage out of
the "mole hole" (basement).
Times a flying and I need to fly too.
john h
mkIII
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Better that it happened now rather than durring the inspection :)
Mike
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Did the welds fail or was the tubing metal peeled out with the weld?
Sounds like the welds are suspect, how did you weld them? Gas/Arc? What filler
material?
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| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Geez....I guess its a good idea to bring a camper.....that way you just get pushed
down the hill and end up in the lake instead of getting run over.
I would rather have thought campers to be bear or croc bait than maniac driver
victims.....I guess the diference is bears and crocs are not as stupid as people
can be.
Ray
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| Subject: | Kolb near Denver |
Gang,
A while back I asked about a Kolb near the Denver area. One guy was mentioned but
I cant find it in the archives. I have a friend wanting some flight time in
a kolb. He just passed the sport pilot instructor written and the check ride
is next. If anyone knows this guy can you give me a name and number?
Thanks
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Ms Dixie
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Hi Mark,
When I first got my Firestar II (used), I noticed that the very same tube in my
plane was curved. I inspected the tube and welds for cracks or breaks and could
not find any. I then very carefully straightened the tube.
I too realized that the seat back was deforming the tube so what I did was to make
a support platform that transfered the pressure from the seat back to the
main gear truss which is a heck of allot beefier.
I made the platform out of 1/8" ply and placed wood stringers cut to the same thickness
as the seat support tube in a pattern of an "H" (with a double horizontal
leg) underneath the ply to transfer the pressure of the seat back. to the
main gear truss. The two horizontal legs of the "H" line up between the seat
stop bolts and the gear truss. Platform was a snug fit to make sure there was
full support of the seat back support tube.
I also ended up purchasing a heavier duty seat back from Kolb. Mine would bend
right at the point where the seat makes contact with the seat back stop bolts.
I have not had any problems with the seat back or the seat back support tube.
Best Regards
Carlos Grageda
TBVE
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| Subject: | Re: M3X incidence & dihedral |
John Hauck wrote:
> Anything less than 1 degree per wing half tends to look like the
> wingtips are drooping to me.
> | Scott
>
>
>
> I have no idea how many degrees dihedral the wings on my Ultrastar,
> Firestar, or mkIII have. The instructions said to put a block under
> the outboard rib to raise it a certain distance above level. That is
> what I did and I am happy.
>
>
>
> john h
> mkIII
John,
I know it's been a while but do you have any idea how big the block of wood was
and where exactly you were supposed to place it?
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| Subject: | Re: M3X incidence & dihedral |
of wood was and where exactly you were supposed to place it?
| Thanks,
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| Scott
Scott/Gang:
Just so happens I have a revised copy of the Kolb MKIII Builders
Manual, 7/29/92.
"INSTALLING LIFT STRUTS.
The next step is the installation of the wing struts. Set the wing
dihedral by raising the wing tip 1-1/2 inches (measured at the
outboard rib). Install a shim under the wing at the H-supports to
hold this position. Now the lift struts may be made to fit."
That is verbatem out of the manual, and the distance and procedure I
remember from doing mine in 1991.
IIRC, the Ultrastar and Firestar were set at 1", outboard rib.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM |
Hey Joihn H and everyone else that's flying into the Light Plane grass strip,
As usual, I have to keep John H straight. The arrival procedue John H quoted is
correct, except a couple of sentences earlier in the NOTAM have to be read first.
"Special procedures will be in effect ONLY from 0700 to 2000 local from April 15
through April 23, 2007."
"SOUTH SIDE OF AIRPORT CLOSED FROM SUNSET UNTIL SUNRISE LOCAL
APRIL 15 - APRIL 23, 2007."
"Lakeland Linder Regional Airport will be closed daily, April 17 through April
23, 2007 during the Aerobatic Demonstrations (schedule below). Arrivals and departures
are not permitted during periods of aerobatic demonstrations. "
Now we are current and ready to fly to Sun'nFun 2007!
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Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Great color Paul :) What color is the trim going to be ?
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Ray,
Is that a leaf or an ultralight in your avitar ? What kind of ultralight is that,
and have you been flying it ? Can you post a full sized picture ?
Mike
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That looks like a Lasair Mike. Has twin engines and an inverted V tail. There is
one at our UL feild.
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Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Vivid blue mike going to have the wing tips and rudder checkerboard in blue. Havent
decided on what if anything on the fuselage. Im open for ideas tho.
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Mike B:
Paul told me to tell you, after very careful study, he was going to do
the trim in cub yellow. I love that color.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: M3X incidence & dihedral |
Scott, I went with 2.5 inches measured from the last rib. It looks
better and there still is plenty of maneuverability.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
-- "icrashrc" <icrashrc@aol.com> wrote:
John Hauck wrote:
> Anything less than 1 degree per wing half tends to look like the
> wingtips are drooping to me.
> | Scott
>
>
>
> I have no idea how many degrees dihedral the wings on my Ultrastar,
> Firestar, or mkIII have. The instructions said to put a block
under
> the outboard rib to raise it a certain distance above level. That
is
> what I did and I am happy.
>
>
>
> john h
> mkIII
John,
I know it's been a while but do you have any idea how big the block
of wood was and where exactly you were supposed to place it?
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM |
john w/gang:
I know, I know. I read the entire 36 pages, and expect everyone else to read them
whether they are flying in or not. ;-)
You mentioned aerial aerobatic demonstrations when the field will be closed, but
failed to post the schedule. How do you expect me to find a window to get into
the UL strip all the way from Alabama without that schedule?
Up to my ears in lexan. Everything is cut out and getting ready for the final
fit and trim before popping rivets and attaching rubber channel.
This airplane building and updating is a work intensive operation. I am ready
to go fly and play.
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Cub Yellow is an awesome color ! I am still trying to figure out what kind of
trim, or graphics to put on the Fuselage of mine also.
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
In a message dated 4/12/2007 3:25:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Cub Yellow is an awesome color ! I am still trying to figure out what kind
of trim, or graphics to put on the Fuselage of mine also.
Hey Mike,
How about a picture of yours.
Steve
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Yep, Its a Lazair UL with twin Rotax 185 engines at 9hp each.
I have flown it around some but at 35mph cruise its a bit wind challenged.
Its full 3 axis stick and rudder pedals.
Too bad the twin engine time doesnt count towards higher ratings.
You can even put floats on these and still get 400fpm climb....normal climb is
about 500fpm.
Im getting a Kolb Ultrastar in its place as I just sold it.....its going to Gallatin,
TN.
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Mike who.....?
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN / N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
OOPs
Sorry Mike. Forgot there were more than One. I meant Jetpilot, I thought I
was responding to his comment about his yellow plane
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
I was in my twin engine(Rotax 185's) on final about 50' when one of the CDI units
dismounted and the right engine flamed out.
I shut down the left engine since it was causing an annoying yaw and glided it
in.
It actually glided father engine off than when Idling.
Also when the right engine quit due to the CDI module comming loose I hit the ignition
ground kill switch and got electrocuted....since it was a metal switch
and somehome I completed the circuit with my hand on the switch.
Considering the distraction of being zapped I was glad that I was able to concentrate
on the task at hand and land the plane nicely.
My hand was numb for an hour after though....but I remounted the CDI's much more
securely to avoid a repeat performance.
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
I was thinking about this thread and those that did not survive their engine failure
incidents.
I guess they will not be providing any feedback. :-(
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
Actually Ray, several of us have flown our Kolbs as unplanned gliders...
If you look back in the archives, there's detailed information...
DVD
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On 4/12/07, jb92563 <jb92563@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I was thinking about this thread and those that did not survive their
> engine failure incidents.
>
> I guess they will not be providing any feedback. :-(
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| Subject: | Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? |
Ray:
Sun and Fun 1984, there was a gentleman with a 4 engine Lazair with
floats flying in and out of the float plane ditch in the UL area. He
was bare footed, had his britches legs rolled up to his knees. He
take off, make a very abreviated traffic pattern and plop back down in
the ditch. Was a sight to see. The 4 engines sounded great!
That was my first year at Lakeland. I already had my plans and
instruction book for my Ultrastar kit. I was drooling over the
several Ultrastars that were there, three or four. One of those was
red and white sun burst with glass floats. It was a beautiful little
airplane, but it did not fly. Dennis Souder was flying the factory
Ultrastar, which out performed everything at the show. I hung on the
fence when Dennis was flying, and followed him and the Ultrastar
around like a puppy when he had it on the ground. When I got back
home to Alabama my part of my kit had arrived and was sitting on the
floor of the country store, engine and a box of parts. Three months
later I was flying my Ultrastar.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
wow Mike that is a pretty mark3 Xtra. post some more photos please.
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Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Mike after looking at your airplane closer I have a couple questions. Did you make
flaps for the X-tra? Im sure thats what the tubes are going to. And who made
that gap seal? It's one of the slickest I have seen. Also the torque tubes
to the ailerons look to be at an unusal angle. May just be the photo or the fact
I havent noticed other X-tras in the past. About the flaps...did you make mark3
classic flaps and ailerons like i did? And are yours mechanicly deployed?
Like I said bery nice job sir lets see more of her. Um the plane that is [Wink]
Not trying to get fresh with the lovely passenger! Seams like every W-tra
i see is different. In your case I notice a larger gap between the door frame
and the nose cone and a tube in the fuselage above the door I havent noticed
before. Have you flown it yet? If not where are you in terms of taxi testing and
registration/inspection? Looks ready to go from here!
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Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: La Jolla/glider port |
Yes....they still fly gliders at Torrey Pines Gliderport about 2 times a year in
the Spring for a month or so and around the Fall for a month.
www.flytorrey.com
I took my Paraglider training there....its beautifull.
Blacks beach is also still nude as before but your not going to see many Model
quality females.....it has become a popular hangout for the gay/lesbian community
and you are more like to see big fat guys strutting along the beach hoping
to attract another guys fancy.
As a matter of fact I was warned by the paraglider gang not to look down at the
bushes by the far end of the beach......so of course I did.....and instantly
discovered guys in bushes doing each other.....and of course only visible from
the air....isnt that special!!!
The RC guys have taken to crashing into full scale gliders recently.....last week
doing about $5,000 damage to the leading edge of a Glider and ending its short
season at Torrey.
I know that the RC's would routinely crash into paragliders and the occasional
Hang glider......I think the RC'ers days at Torrey Gliderport are numbered due
to those serious conflicts.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: La Jolla/glider port |
Blacks beach is also still nude as before but your not going to see many Model
quality females.....it has become a popular hangout for the gay/lesbian community
and you are more like to see big fat guys strutting along the beach hoping
to attract another guys fancy.
As a matter of fact I was warned by the paraglider gang not to look down at the
bushes by the far end of the beach......so of course I did.....and instantly
discovered guys in bushes doing each other.....and of course only visible from
the air....isnt that special!!!
Ray, Sir. I NEVER respond to this type of material but you sir have crossed the
line! Please take this type of BS somewhere else.
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Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: pictures from a kolb |
pictures from a kolbHi Boyd
Thank you for sending the GREAT pictures.
If anyone else has taken pictures from a Kolb it would be nice to see
them.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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From: boyd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: pictures from a kolb
Pictures taken from the kolb.
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Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: pictures from a kolb |
OK, it's not *really* taken from a Kolb, but I couldn't resist... my father
emailed this to me last night as he was scanning old slides.
The year was 1977; I was 17 and the ink was barely dry on my new PPL when I
rented a Cessna from the old Ramapo Valley Airport in NY and took my
parents for a ride, when Dad took this picture... we flew over the day camp
where I was working for the summer (my first job). Part of my job was
cutting the grass and I cut some of it a bit closer than strictly necessary
(DMH is, of course, my initials). Fortunately the boss didn't notice it...
123e93f.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: pictures from a kolb |
here's a link to some pictures, of and from, a Kolb.
_www.iverstuff.com_ (http://www.iverstuff.com)
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| Subject: | Re:M3X incidence & dihedral |
Hi gang,
Was told by Donnie at TNK - the M3x Dihedral they recommend is .6 degrees.
Called today and verified.
Don't know how that relates to the block under end rib method. I'm using a
digital level.
John Ratcliffe
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| Subject: | Re: pictures from a kolb |
Makes my mouth water, Boyd. Is that the Wasatch Range ??
Lar. Do not Archive.
Yes that is the Wasatch between brigham and Logan... in the center of the
photo,,,what looks like islands poking there heads through the clouds.... is
indeed islands in the great salt lake. The haze was thick enough to look
like cloud cover from a distance... but looking down the visibility is
quite good. 5 or 6 miles or so.... kept a close ear on the dew point spread.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: M3X incidence & dihedral |
I went back thru all the pics I've taken of Kolbs over the years and
measured the dihedral angle were possible. I've found anywhere between zero
and 5 degrees total over the entire wing. Anything less than 1 degree per
wing half tends to look like the wingtips are drooping to me.
It seems that when building the mkIIIc the instructions said to rig the
wings as straight as possible while making the forward and rear attach
points. When attaching the lift struts, the wing tips were to be raised 1
1/2 inches measured at the outboard rib. I followed the instructions and
when flying and I put the plane in a 30 deg bank and let go of the stick the
plane wanted to continue to roll...( negative roll stability) when I
rebuilt I doubled the dihedral by raising the end rib 3 inches... now when
in a 30 deg bank the plane wants to stay put ( neutral roll stability). I
could not tell any other differences.
Boyd.
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Group,
Does anyone know of a CD that walks you through a 50 hour decarbon or
inspection. I have 48 hours on my 447 and want to do what I can to keep her
running as good as she has so far. Is it possible to have a stuck ring and still
have proper compression?
Ed Diebel (FF 62)<BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR>
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