---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/12/07: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:25 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2007 (pat ladd) 2. 06:12 AM - broken cage (Gray, Mark) 3. 06:23 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty) 4. 06:25 AM - Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM (John Hauck) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: broken cage (JetPilot) 6. 07:28 AM - Re: broken cage (jb92563) 7. 07:34 AM - Re: (no subject) (jb92563) 8. 08:05 AM - Kolb near Denver (Paul Petty) 9. 08:23 AM - Re: broken cage (The BaronVonEvil) 10. 08:24 AM - Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (icrashrc) 11. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (John Hauck) 12. 10:43 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM (John Williamson) 13. 11:22 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (JetPilot) 14. 11:31 AM - Re: (no subject) (JetPilot) 15. 11:36 AM - Re: (no subject) (Paul Petty) 16. 11:38 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty) 17. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (John Hauck) 18. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (Ralph) 19. 12:03 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM (John Hauck) 20. 12:24 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (JetPilot) 21. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (N27SB@aol.com) 22. 12:49 PM - Re: (no subject) (jb92563) 23. 01:10 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (planecrazzzy) 24. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (N27SB@aol.com) 25. 01:43 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (jb92563) 26. 01:45 PM - Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (jb92563) 27. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (David Lehman) 28. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? (John Hauck) 29. 03:07 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty) 30. 03:20 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty) 31. 03:27 PM - Re: La Jolla/glider port (jb92563) 32. 03:49 PM - Re: La Jolla/glider port (Paul Petty) 33. 04:27 PM - Re: pictures from a kolb (Bill Vincent) 34. 06:06 PM - Re: broken cage (FLYMICHIGAN@comcast.net) 35. 06:39 PM - Re: pictures from a kolb (Dana Hague) 36. 06:55 PM - Re: pictures from a kolb (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com) 37. 07:07 PM - Re:M3X incidence & dihedral (JRatcli256@aol.com) 38. 07:47 PM - Re: pictures from a kolb (boyd) 39. 08:07 PM - Re: M3X incidence & dihedral (boyd) 40. 08:54 PM - Re: Decarbon CD (DAquaNut@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:58 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2007 Has absolutely nothing to do with Kolb Aircraft, building or flying>> Whoops, Sorry John and All. this list is the `wrong` way round when compared with other lists which I am on. On the others hitting `Reply` automatically sends your message to the individual NOT to the list. If you wish to respond to the list then the `Cc.` facility is used.. This tends to keep individual comments off the list. Still, no excuses. I have been here long enough to know better. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:30 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: broken cage From: "Gray, Mark" I have been preparing my Firestar II for its airworthiness inspection and last night was sitting in it admiring the completed work. As I moved to exit the plane I heard a band and found myself flat on my back, the seat back support tube that crossed the cage behind the seat had separated from the cage sides. The side tubes had been ripped out leaving gaping fish mouth shaped holes. There was no sign of corrosion around the welds or in the tubes. If this had happened in flight I imagine I would have had a lot more to worry about than welding it back in and a little fabric repair. I don't think it would have been possible to control the aircraft without the seatback as there is nothing that could be easily used to support oneself in a position to hold the stick. I doubt I could have even reached the chute handle since it is located forward of the throttle. I weigh 230lb and am not very rough on my bird, so anybody flying a Firestar II may want to give these connections a good going over. I will be checking all the welds in my frame with magnaflux as soon as I can get my hands on one. Total time on the cage is approximately 400 hrs. Mark Gray Firestar II N229K --------------------------------------- The information in this email and attachments hereto may contain legally privileged, proprietary or confidential information that is intended for a particular recipient. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, retention or use of the contents of this e-mail information is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to Takata customers or vendors, any information contained in this e-mail is subject to the terms and conditions in the governing contract, if applicable. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail, permanently delete any electronic copies of this communication and destroy any paper copies. --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "Paul Petty" Thanks guys, Ray, The name just came to me one day kinda like the idea of BULIDING MY OWN AIRPLANE! Joe, I started the Kolbra in sept of 2003 and have aprox 900 hrs in her. Ed, First flight...who knows. I have W&B/registration and inspection to do. One thing is for sure.... I plan to be riding around KLUL in her before the end of this month! do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106476#106476 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:19 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM Morning Folks: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM is 36 pages long. Of all these pages only one paragraph is necessary to get us ULs and Lt Planes into the UL strip: April 17-23, 2007 Sun'n Fun Fly-In ULTRALIGHT ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES ? All arriving and departing ultralight vehicles shall enter and exit from the south-southwest of the Lakeland Linder Regional Airport and shall remain below 500 feet AGL, remaining west of the large airport buildings. ? Be alert for helicopters arriving and departing at the same altitudes just to the east of the area reserved for ultralight operations. ? Radio equipped arriving aircraft monitor 119.25 until north of the east/west road on the south airport boundary. NORDO ultralight aircraft desiring to land at the ultralight grass strip prior to April 15, 2007, must pre-coordinate arrival information with the Lakeland Air Traffic Manager at (863) 648-3305. We are also the only aircraft authorized to land at LAL NORDO (no radio). Back to work. Still got lexan to do before I get the fuselage out of the "mole hole" (basement). Times a flying and I need to fly too. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: broken cage From: "JetPilot" Better that it happened now rather than durring the inspection :) Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106482#106482 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: broken cage From: "jb92563" Did the welds fail or was the tubing metal peeled out with the weld? Sounds like the welds are suspect, how did you weld them? Gas/Arc? What filler material? -------- Ray do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106492#106492 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: (no subject) From: "jb92563" Geez....I guess its a good idea to bring a camper.....that way you just get pushed down the hill and end up in the lake instead of getting run over. I would rather have thought campers to be bear or croc bait than maniac driver victims.....I guess the diference is bears and crocs are not as stupid as people can be. Ray -------- Ray do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106494#106494 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb near Denver From: "Paul Petty" Gang, A while back I asked about a Kolb near the Denver area. One guy was mentioned but I cant find it in the archives. I have a friend wanting some flight time in a kolb. He just passed the sport pilot instructor written and the check ride is next. If anyone knows this guy can you give me a name and number? Thanks do nor archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106500#106500 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: broken cage From: "The BaronVonEvil" Hi Mark, When I first got my Firestar II (used), I noticed that the very same tube in my plane was curved. I inspected the tube and welds for cracks or breaks and could not find any. I then very carefully straightened the tube. I too realized that the seat back was deforming the tube so what I did was to make a support platform that transfered the pressure from the seat back to the main gear truss which is a heck of allot beefier. I made the platform out of 1/8" ply and placed wood stringers cut to the same thickness as the seat support tube in a pattern of an "H" (with a double horizontal leg) underneath the ply to transfer the pressure of the seat back. to the main gear truss. The two horizontal legs of the "H" line up between the seat stop bolts and the gear truss. Platform was a snug fit to make sure there was full support of the seat back support tube. I also ended up purchasing a heavier duty seat back from Kolb. Mine would bend right at the point where the seat makes contact with the seat back stop bolts. I have not had any problems with the seat back or the seat back support tube. Best Regards Carlos Grageda TBVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106502#106502 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: M3X incidence & dihedral From: "icrashrc" John Hauck wrote: > Anything less than 1 degree per wing half tends to look like the > wingtips are drooping to me. > | Scott > > > > I have no idea how many degrees dihedral the wings on my Ultrastar, > Firestar, or mkIII have. The instructions said to put a block under > the outboard rib to raise it a certain distance above level. That is > what I did and I am happy. > > > > john h > mkIII John, I know it's been a while but do you have any idea how big the block of wood was and where exactly you were supposed to place it? Thanks, -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106503#106503 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:20 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3X incidence & dihedral of wood was and where exactly you were supposed to place it? | Thanks, | | -------- | Scott Scott/Gang: Just so happens I have a revised copy of the Kolb MKIII Builders Manual, 7/29/92. "INSTALLING LIFT STRUTS. The next step is the installation of the wing struts. Set the wing dihedral by raising the wing tip 1-1/2 inches (measured at the outboard rib). Install a shim under the wing at the H-supports to hold this position. Now the lift struts may be made to fit." That is verbatem out of the manual, and the distance and procedure I remember from doing mine in 1991. IIRC, the Ultrastar and Firestar were set at 1", outboard rib. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM From: "John Williamson" Hey Joihn H and everyone else that's flying into the Light Plane grass strip, As usual, I have to keep John H straight. The arrival procedue John H quoted is correct, except a couple of sentences earlier in the NOTAM have to be read first. "Special procedures will be in effect ONLY from 0700 to 2000 local from April 15 through April 23, 2007." "SOUTH SIDE OF AIRPORT CLOSED FROM SUNSET UNTIL SUNRISE LOCAL APRIL 15 - APRIL 23, 2007." "Lakeland Linder Regional Airport will be closed daily, April 17 through April 23, 2007 during the Aerobatic Demonstrations (schedule below). Arrivals and departures are not permitted during periods of aerobatic demonstrations. " Now we are current and ready to fly to Sun'nFun 2007! -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106531#106531 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "JetPilot" Great color Paul :) What color is the trim going to be ? -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106536#106536 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: (no subject) From: "JetPilot" Ray, Is that a leaf or an ultralight in your avitar ? What kind of ultralight is that, and have you been flying it ? Can you post a full sized picture ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106538#106538 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: (no subject) From: "Paul Petty" That looks like a Lasair Mike. Has twin engines and an inverted V tail. There is one at our UL feild. do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106540#106540 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "Paul Petty" Vivid blue mike going to have the wing tips and rudder checkerboard in blue. Havent decided on what if anything on the fuselage. Im open for ideas tho. do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106541#106541 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:53 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update Mike B: Paul told me to tell you, after very careful study, he was going to do the trim in cub yellow. I love that color. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:57 AM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3X incidence & dihedral Scott, I went with 2.5 inches measured from the last rib. It looks better and there still is plenty of maneuverability. Ralph Burlingame Original Firestar 20 years flying it -- "icrashrc" wrote: John Hauck wrote: > Anything less than 1 degree per wing half tends to look like the > wingtips are drooping to me. > | Scott > > > > I have no idea how many degrees dihedral the wings on my Ultrastar, > Firestar, or mkIII have. The instructions said to put a block under > the outboard rib to raise it a certain distance above level. That is > what I did and I am happy. > > > > john h > mkIII John, I know it's been a while but do you have any idea how big the block of wood was and where exactly you were supposed to place it? Thanks, -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106503#106503 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2007 NOTAM From: "John Hauck" john w/gang: I know, I know. I read the entire 36 pages, and expect everyone else to read them whether they are flying in or not. ;-) You mentioned aerial aerobatic demonstrations when the field will be closed, but failed to post the schedule. How do you expect me to find a window to get into the UL strip all the way from Alabama without that schedule? Up to my ears in lexan. Everything is cut out and getting ready for the final fit and trim before popping rivets and attaching rubber channel. This airplane building and updating is a work intensive operation. I am ready to go fly and play. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106547#106547 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "JetPilot" Cub Yellow is an awesome color ! I am still trying to figure out what kind of trim, or graphics to put on the Fuselage of mine also. -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106553#106553 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mikerosaultralightmikekolb_187.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:03 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update In a message dated 4/12/2007 3:25:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" Cub Yellow is an awesome color ! I am still trying to figure out what kind of trim, or graphics to put on the Fuselage of mine also. Hey Mike, How about a picture of yours. Steve do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: (no subject) From: "jb92563" Yep, Its a Lazair UL with twin Rotax 185 engines at 9hp each. I have flown it around some but at 35mph cruise its a bit wind challenged. Its full 3 axis stick and rudder pedals. Too bad the twin engine time doesnt count towards higher ratings. You can even put floats on these and still get 400fpm climb....normal climb is about 500fpm. Im getting a Kolb Ultrastar in its place as I just sold it.....its going to Gallatin, TN. -------- Ray do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106555#106555 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/laz_mirage2_592.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "planecrazzzy" Mike who.....? Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN / N381PM -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106559#106559 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/plane_at_northern_lights_airpark_002_165.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:38 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update OOPs Sorry Mike. Forgot there were more than One. I meant Jetpilot, I thought I was responding to his comment about his yellow plane Steve do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? From: "jb92563" I was in my twin engine(Rotax 185's) on final about 50' when one of the CDI units dismounted and the right engine flamed out. I shut down the left engine since it was causing an annoying yaw and glided it in. It actually glided father engine off than when Idling. Also when the right engine quit due to the CDI module comming loose I hit the ignition ground kill switch and got electrocuted....since it was a metal switch and somehome I completed the circuit with my hand on the switch. Considering the distraction of being zapped I was glad that I was able to concentrate on the task at hand and land the plane nicely. My hand was numb for an hour after though....but I remounted the CDI's much more securely to avoid a repeat performance. Ray -------- Ray do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106563#106563 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? From: "jb92563" I was thinking about this thread and those that did not survive their engine failure incidents. I guess they will not be providing any feedback. :-( -------- Ray do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106564#106564 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:50 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? Actually Ray, several of us have flown our Kolbs as unplanned gliders... If you look back in the archives, there's detailed information... DVD do not archive On 4/12/07, jb92563 wrote: > > > I was thinking about this thread and those that did not survive their > engine failure incidents. > > I guess they will not be providing any feedback. :-( > > -------- > Ray > > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:12 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Who has had an engine out in flight? Ray: Sun and Fun 1984, there was a gentleman with a 4 engine Lazair with floats flying in and out of the float plane ditch in the UL area. He was bare footed, had his britches legs rolled up to his knees. He take off, make a very abreviated traffic pattern and plop back down in the ditch. Was a sight to see. The 4 engines sounded great! That was my first year at Lakeland. I already had my plans and instruction book for my Ultrastar kit. I was drooling over the several Ultrastars that were there, three or four. One of those was red and white sun burst with glass floats. It was a beautiful little airplane, but it did not fly. Dennis Souder was flying the factory Ultrastar, which out performed everything at the show. I hung on the fence when Dennis was flying, and followed him and the Ultrastar around like a puppy when he had it on the ground. When I got back home to Alabama my part of my kit had arrived and was sitting on the floor of the country store, engine and a box of parts. Three months later I was flying my Ultrastar. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "Paul Petty" wow Mike that is a pretty mark3 Xtra. post some more photos please. do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106584#106584 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "Paul Petty" Mike after looking at your airplane closer I have a couple questions. Did you make flaps for the X-tra? Im sure thats what the tubes are going to. And who made that gap seal? It's one of the slickest I have seen. Also the torque tubes to the ailerons look to be at an unusal angle. May just be the photo or the fact I havent noticed other X-tras in the past. About the flaps...did you make mark3 classic flaps and ailerons like i did? And are yours mechanicly deployed? Like I said bery nice job sir lets see more of her. Um the plane that is [Wink] Not trying to get fresh with the lovely passenger! Seams like every W-tra i see is different. In your case I notice a larger gap between the door frame and the nose cone and a tube in the fuselage above the door I havent noticed before. Have you flown it yet? If not where are you in terms of taxi testing and registration/inspection? Looks ready to go from here! do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106586#106586 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: La Jolla/glider port From: "jb92563" Yes....they still fly gliders at Torrey Pines Gliderport about 2 times a year in the Spring for a month or so and around the Fall for a month. www.flytorrey.com I took my Paraglider training there....its beautifull. Blacks beach is also still nude as before but your not going to see many Model quality females.....it has become a popular hangout for the gay/lesbian community and you are more like to see big fat guys strutting along the beach hoping to attract another guys fancy. As a matter of fact I was warned by the paraglider gang not to look down at the bushes by the far end of the beach......so of course I did.....and instantly discovered guys in bushes doing each other.....and of course only visible from the air....isnt that special!!! The RC guys have taken to crashing into full scale gliders recently.....last week doing about $5,000 damage to the leading edge of a Glider and ending its short season at Torrey. I know that the RC's would routinely crash into paragliders and the occasional Hang glider......I think the RC'ers days at Torrey Gliderport are numbered due to those serious conflicts. Ray -------- Ray Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106588#106588 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: La Jolla/glider port From: "Paul Petty" Blacks beach is also still nude as before but your not going to see many Model quality females.....it has become a popular hangout for the gay/lesbian community and you are more like to see big fat guys strutting along the beach hoping to attract another guys fancy. As a matter of fact I was warned by the paraglider gang not to look down at the bushes by the far end of the beach......so of course I did.....and instantly discovered guys in bushes doing each other.....and of course only visible from the air....isnt that special!!! Ray, Sir. I NEVER respond to this type of material but you sir have crossed the line! Please take this type of BS somewhere else. do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106591#106591 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:15 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pictures from a kolb pictures from a kolbHi Boyd Thank you for sending the GREAT pictures. If anyone else has taken pictures from a Kolb it would be nice to see them. Bill Vincent FS II Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: boyd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Kolb-List: pictures from a kolb Pictures taken from the kolb. <<...>> <<...>> Boyd ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:30 PM PST US From: FLYMICHIGAN@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: broken cage ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:32 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pictures from a kolb OK, it's not *really* taken from a Kolb, but I couldn't resist... my father emailed this to me last night as he was scanning old slides. The year was 1977; I was 17 and the ink was barely dry on my new PPL when I rented a Cessna from the old Ramapo Valley Airport in NY and took my parents for a ride, when Dad took this picture... we flew over the day camp where I was working for the summer (my first job). Part of my job was cutting the grass and I cut some of it a bit closer than strictly necessary (DMH is, of course, my initials). Fortunately the boss didn't notice it... 123e93f.jpg -Dana -- -- The citizens of the United States are getting the government they deserve. The problem is that I'm also getting the government they deserve. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:10 PM PST US From: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pictures from a kolb here's a link to some pictures, of and from, a Kolb. _www.iverstuff.com_ (http://www.iverstuff.com) do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:01 PM PST US From: JRatcli256@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re:M3X incidence & dihedral Hi gang, Was told by Donnie at TNK - the M3x Dihedral they recommend is .6 degrees. Called today and verified. Don't know how that relates to the block under end rib method. I'm using a digital level. John Ratcliffe ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:49 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pictures from a kolb Makes my mouth water, Boyd. Is that the Wasatch Range ?? Lar. Do not Archive. Yes that is the Wasatch between brigham and Logan... in the center of the photo,,,what looks like islands poking there heads through the clouds.... is indeed islands in the great salt lake. The haze was thick enough to look like cloud cover from a distance... but looking down the visibility is quite good. 5 or 6 miles or so.... kept a close ear on the dew point spread. Boyd ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:38 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: M3X incidence & dihedral I went back thru all the pics I've taken of Kolbs over the years and measured the dihedral angle were possible. I've found anywhere between zero and 5 degrees total over the entire wing. Anything less than 1 degree per wing half tends to look like the wingtips are drooping to me. It seems that when building the mkIIIc the instructions said to rig the wings as straight as possible while making the forward and rear attach points. When attaching the lift struts, the wing tips were to be raised 1 1/2 inches measured at the outboard rib. I followed the instructions and when flying and I put the plane in a 30 deg bank and let go of the stick the plane wanted to continue to roll...( negative roll stability) when I rebuilt I doubled the dihedral by raising the end rib 3 inches... now when in a 30 deg bank the plane wants to stay put ( neutral roll stability). I could not tell any other differences. Boyd. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:01 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Decarbon CD Group, Does anyone know of a CD that walks you through a 50 hour decarbon or inspection. I have 48 hours on my 447 and want to do what I can to keep her running as good as she has so far. Is it possible to have a stuck ring and still have proper compression? Ed Diebel (FF 62)


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