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1. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: Gasohol, gascolators (N27SB@aol.com)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: Lakeland (Wayne T. McCullough)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 (Jack B. Hart)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 (Herb Gayheart)
5. 06:34 AM - Firestar lift struts (Herb Gayheart)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Gasohol, gascolators (Denny Rowe)
7. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Gasohol, gascolators (Larry Cottrell)
8. 09:36 AM - Re: Lakeland (Paul Petty)
9. 10:14 AM - Re: Gasohol, gascolators (Paul Petty)
10. 10:27 AM - Re: Lakeland (Paul Petty)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Lakeland (Clayton, James)
12. 11:55 AM - 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
13. 12:18 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Ralph B)
14. 12:26 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Paul Petty)
15. 12:33 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Larry Cottrell)
16. 12:42 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Paul Petty)
17. 12:42 PM - Re: Lexan Wing Gap Seal (olendorf)
18. 01:06 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Roger Lee)
19. 01:37 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (boyd)
20. 02:09 PM - Re: Quiet Landing (Jack B. Hart)
21. 03:11 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Larry Bourne)
22. 03:44 PM - BRS repack information (Gene Ledbetter)
23. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Gasohol (possums)
24. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Eugene Zimmerman)
25. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Dana Hague)
26. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Gasohol, gascolators (N27SB@aol.com)
27. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Larry Bourne)
28. 07:53 PM - Re: Firestar lift struts (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
29. 09:02 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (David Key)
30. 09:07 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (DAquaNut@AOL.com)
31. 09:26 PM - Re: Firestar lift struts (Herb Gayheart)
32. 09:49 PM - Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight (Doug Wetzel)
33. 10:18 PM - Re: Kolb-related story on KSL tonight (George Bass)
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| Subject: | Re: Gasohol, gascolators |
Just saw a really small gascolator at SnF. It was on a new version of an
Easy Riser.
BTW, got to see John Moody fly an original Riser late yesterday in 25 mph
winds.
The gascolator was available from Briggs and Stratton at a mower store.
Steve
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Paul,
Thanks for the info, and I sure am watching the list and all of the pics
close...couldn't make sun-n-fun this year..............
Wayne McCullough
Kolbra 004
Springfield, Georgia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lakeland
>
> Gang,
> LONG day for Paul P. Woke up at 1:00am CDST and drove 1.5 hrs climbed in
> the King air E90 and wheels up at 3:50am and got home with red face and
> wobbly legs at 9:30pm CDST. I got to visit with Mark G.,
> Travis,Donnie,Brian,Steve B. Bruce and the welder of TNK that his name
> escapes me at the moment. Met another Kolbra builder #16 of Daytona Fl. he
> just as I had MANY MANY questions about how did you do this, how did you
> do that.....and furthermore WHY !!! I really hate I missed my buddy John H
> and felow kolbra pilot John W but we were on a tight schedule. Hope we
> didint saw John H in half on departure as there were airplanes EVERWHERE!
> We came within I'd say 100 yards of a rockwell comander that we caught up
> with less than the 3 mile straight out rule who decided to make his turn a
> bit early. Was interesting none the less. It was a
> fun/hot/windy/expensive/tireing day but loved it. Kinda neat siting in a
> group of guys talking about my Kolb all the way up to 2.5 million dollar
> ai!
> rcraft but to be honest... the Kolb factory firestar stole everyones heart
> Once again!
> When we got out of the KAe90 and the multi mil owner who i had spent an
> hour next to explaining the history and design of Kolb aircraft to...he
> said LOOK there is a kolb in the patteren and he is waxing everything!
>
> I wonder how many hours that firefly has on it?
>
> Point....Last time for me was S-N-F 2003 there were hundreds of PPC's and
> Trikes. Today there were only 2 PPC's maybe 10 boths for PPC PPG-1 in the
> UL area. It was only the second day of the show but a lot less of the
> PPC's and no PPG's flying. wind was high but the little Kolb firefly was
> in the air the whole time al day!
>
> Go Homer!
>
> sorry for typos bla bla but i have been up 22 hrs today and drove 3 hrs
> flew 5 hrs and walked god knows how many miles!
>
> take care
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> Paul Petty
> Kolbra #12
> Ms Dixie
> Final assembly!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107852#107852
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| Subject: | Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 |
At 07:50 PM 4/18/07 -0500, you wrote:
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>I think I hit the send button before I got my mind in gear.. One gauge
>won't work as I described it.. One gauge should work other wise.. one
>side at a time. Watch the tach. Herb
>
Herb,
There are differential air gages that show zero at center scale. They are a
little pricey. The advantage is that only one gage would be required, and
you do not have to worry about accuracy between two gages.
Magnehelic makes them.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 |
Jack
Yep. Used them in the computer industry..
My thought that we could use one , teed off of both carbs would not
work.. obviously one could work on an engine at any stable rpm.. Home
made water manometer also.. Herb
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:45:08 -0500 "Jack B. Hart"
<jbhart@onlyinternet.net> writes:
> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
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> At 07:50 PM 4/18/07 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >I think I hit the send button before I got my mind in gear.. One
> gauge
> >won't work as I described it.. One gauge should work other wise..
> one
> >side at a time. Watch the tach. Herb
> >
>
> Herb,
>
> There are differential air gages that show zero at center scale.
> They are a
> little pricey. The advantage is that only one gage would be
> required, and
> you do not have to worry about accuracy between two gages.
>
> Magnehelic makes them.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Firestar lift struts |
Nuther subject..
I am building a set of single lift strut wings for my Firefly..
finally getting my butt in gear after a long and hard winter..
Question: what dia and wall thickness are the lift struts on a
Firestar.. older , single seat model would be fine... Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Gasohol, gascolators |
Just saw a really small gascolator at SnF. It was on a new version of
an Easy Riser.
BTW, got to see John Moody fly an original Riser late yesterday in 25
mph winds.
The gascolator was available from Briggs and Stratton at a mower
store.
Steve
Steve,
Did it have a sump drain and glass bowel?
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Gasohol, gascolators |
Why don't you guys build your own as per the instructions put on the
list earlier in the year? The cost is two PVC caps, a short piece of
PVC, two nylon fuel barbs, and a ?Murphy? drain valve for 17.50 that
comes out the bottom of your airplane to drain it. I forgot you will
also need a tube of thread sealer as well. Mine works well.
Larry, Oregon
do not archive (am I the only one using this feature?)
----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Rowe
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gasohol, gascolators
Just saw a really small gascolator at SnF. It was on a new version
of an Easy Riser.
BTW, got to see John Moody fly an original Riser late yesterday in
25 mph winds.
The gascolator was available from Briggs and Stratton at a mower
store.
Steve
Steve,
Did it have a sump drain and glass bowel?
Denny Rowe
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Hi Wayne,
Is that youir Kolbra in the photo? If so post some full size pics please! John
H and John W made it to lakeland this morning. Both were delayed due to rain and
weather. I didnt take any photos at lakeland. Didn't take my camera with me
to the UL area. (dummy) Was going to go back and get some pics of the new flap/aileron
design on the new X-tra. However I ran out of time. John H said he would
take some photos for us tho. The new design on the X-tra is awesome! No more
long bulky torque tubes! The flaps and ailerons are hinged to the trailing
edge. I dont recall seeing any gap seal. I dont think there was any nor a need
for any. the flaps are like the original mark III design and the ailerons are
now controlled VIA cables in the wing. Real neat. Has anyone seen this? I wish
I had known about this or thought about this when i made my wings [Crying
or Very sad]
Also the flaps are longer than the Mark III and the ailerons are much shorter
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Gasohol, gascolators |
Dana,Larry all,
I made mine from a small block of aluminum and a certified sump. Mine can be sumped
from the back of the plane at the lowest point in the system with the little
sample cup like the spam can guys use [Wink]
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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Forgot to mention the other new things on the X-tra. It has molded fiberglass wing
tips, gap seal LE and seat pan that is one peice for both seats.
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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Sounds interesting; if anyone has pictures, please post, or forward them.
-Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, 912ULS.....Building
www.quantumwrench.com/Kolb.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lakeland
Forgot to mention the other new things on the X-tra. It has molded fiberglass wing
tips, gap seal LE and seat pan that is one peice for both seats.
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
Kolb Friends -
This morning, when flying my Mark-III, I experienced a broken throttle
cable on the 912ul engine. This awarded me the opportunity to execute
my FIRST dead stick landing in my Kolb. I'm happy to report the landing
was uneventful.
I had been flying for about 15 minutes; I was about 3 miles from my home
field. I wanted to look at something in a field, so I descended and
retarded the throttle to get a bit closer. At about 100 feet AGL I felt
a snap in the throttle lever and the mighty 912 went to full throttle.
I knew exactly what had happened: the throttle cable had broken
somewhere, and the 912 series engines are designed to go to full
throttle if this happens. Flew back to my airport, entered the pattern
(still at 100%), established a downwind at 1000 AGL, then flipped the
magneto switches to "off."
What a rush.
All your senses are screaming at you in alarm, in the very unfamiliar
silence. I pegged my glide rate at 55 mph, and the airplane felt very
stable. What I also realized was, this Mark-III was descending more
steeply than my usual power-off (idle) approach. Obviously, the stopped
prop creates more drag than an idling engine, for my setup anyway. I
used half flaps for landing, but would have been better off if I had
used none.
I announced to the traffic pattern my situation - that I was dead stick
and headed for THAT runway. (I even got to say "mayday" on the radio.)
After landing, I had to push my 650 lbs of airplane a half mile back to
the hangar. (Whew - good workout!) But WAY better'n being stuck out
somewhere, if I had been forced to land because of carburetors that
spring to idle.
I disassembled the throttle splitter tube and confirmed that the cable
had indeed separated from the splitter assembly. The tiny brass ferrule
that is soldered to the end of the cable (this is what keeps it seated
in the splitter slider) had pulled off. I had soldered this ferrule on
during construction. It was my own workmanship that failed here,
nothing the fault of the Rotax.
After discussing the details with the local A&P at my airport, he
concluded that is was likely a cold solder that caused it to let loose.
His advice was to get a hotter soldering iron (or flame), tin the
braided strands well before flowing the solder in. Even if you are
using solder with flux in it, still apply flux to the braided cable
before you touch it with the solder.
It is fascinating to me how the mechanical failure of a part the size of
an uncooked grain of rice can put you on the ground.
And the 912ul fail-safe design of the carb setup got me home safe. I
love this little engine.
Lesson here is: Give appropriate attention to even the LITTLE details
during your building process. That tiny little brass ferrule needs to
be soldered correctly for it to do it's job.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, 66.6 hrs on the Hobbs when I took off, this flight, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
Dennis, I'm happy to hear that everything turned out fine and that you landed that
bird without incident.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
Dennis,
Excellant job sir! I strongly agree, WOT in failure gives you alot more options
no doubt. Lets say I took off from our 1700' (tight) strip and that happened
in the pattern. With fuel, I could go find a 5000' runway to land her.
glad your ok and can add dead stick to your log book!
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>
> Kolb Friends -
>
> This morning, when flying my Mark-III, I experienced a broken throttle
> cable on the 912ul engine. This awarded me the opportunity to execute
> my FIRST dead stick landing in my Kolb. I'm happy to report the landing
> was uneventful.
.
What I also realized was, this Mark-III was descending more
> steeply than my usual power-off (idle) approach. Obviously, the stopped
> prop creates more drag than an idling engine, for my setup anyway.
Good on you! You kept your head, and kept flying the plane. I wish my set up
would go to full throttle when the cables break. It is also worth mentioning
that that you don't need flaps with no power. I am also pleased that you
noticed the difference of descent with no engine at idle. Unless I am
mistaken the current wisdom says that the engine at idle causes more drag
than no power at all. Your set up seems to be the same as mine. I find it
hard to believe that an engine at idle, that forces you to use your brakes
when on pavement, would not supply thrust which would of course extend your
glide path. Perhaps it is "my set up" as well. ;-/ You don't have more
drag with a stopped prop, what you have is no "thrust".
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
Dennis,
That post was so exciting I had to read it again!
"Flew back to my airport, entered the pattern
(still at 100%), established a downwind at 1000 AGL, then flipped the
magneto switches to "off."
Just curious, did you turn L/R base then L/R final with no power?
If so then that would explain the "What a rush" LOL
I know alot of things go through ones mind and Im by no means saying what I would
have done. But monday morning quarter backing I would have called the "mayday"
or anounced my situation to the ground and or traffic and went WAY out and
called "straight in" everybody get the hell out of my way!
If you chopped the power as you beaked the numbers how well did she glide in the
180?
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Lexan Wing Gap Seal |
If you mean the gap seal over your head (between the wings ) then DO NOT fly without
that. I tried that on my Firestar and the stall speed went up to about
43mph (normally 30) and the max airspeed I could get with a 377 was about 53mph
(normally 65). Not much room in there to play with.
Do not do it. [Shocked]
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
Hi Dennis,
Glad everything went ok after the break.
This is why I think everyone should go up and turn the engine off while in control
and practice dead sticks. They are really easy as you now know first hand.
It gves you new confidence that if something happens it's really not a high stress
issue, but only a landing one.
All cable ends that get pulled on or have stress should be a hot solder, but a
word of caution, do not over heat or apply too much heat too long. It will cause
your cable to become brittle. Just enough heat to cause the flux to flow and
the solder to flow and then remove the heat. One time when I was doing a hot
solder on a cable I did not like my solder joint at the cable end. I applied
heat too long. When I went to check on the cable strength and flexibilty it snapped
just behind the new solder. Too much heat, i.e. from a torch, will cause
a cable failure. You can use the torch, but no more heat than necessary to melt
the solder.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
>>>>>>>>> I pegged my glide rate at 55 mph, and the airplane felt very
stable.>>>>>>>>>>>>
if solo I think you did well..... with 2 on board,,, keep it in the 65 to
70 range.... ask me how I know.....
better yet,,, take up a passenger,,,, while at 65 to 70, pull the
throttle to idle, adjust your glide to maintain your speed, then very
slowly adjust your glide to slow your speed... you will find a speed where
you start to feel that you don't have enough elevator authority.... if you
ever have to dead stick with a passenger,,,,, stay well above that speed.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet Landing |
Dennis,
Welcome to the club.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
Good on you, Dennis. It sounds like you handled it real well. I've done a
lot of soldering and silver soldering in the course of my work, and I've
seen both cold solder joints, and overheated connections, as was mentioned
in another post. Many times now, or even most times, I'll tin each
component separately and very carefully, then put them in position and heat
them lightly. Make sure you use the correct flux - some can cause
corrosion. When the solder flows, it melts together, and you're done - get
the heat off it. The advantage to this, especially with different sized
components to be soldered, it makes sure both are properly tinned, whereas
if you put them together and solder them, quite often the larger component
doesn't receive enuf heat and you'll have a cold solder joint. If it does
get enuf heat, quite often that will overheat the smaller and burn the
flux....then nothing will stick and you'll have an awful time cleaning it up
again for another try. Again, as was said, too much heat is as bad as not
enuf. Lar.
On 4/19/07, Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> wrote:
>
> Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>
> Kolb Friends -
>
> This morning, when flying my Mark-III, I experienced a broken throttle
> cable on the 912ul engine. This awarded me the opportunity to execute
> my FIRST dead stick landing in my Kolb. I'm happy to report the landing
> was uneventful.
>
> I had been flying for about 15 minutes; I was about 3 miles from my home
> field. I wanted to look at something in a field, so I descended and
> retarded the throttle to get a bit closer. At about 100 feet AGL I felt
> a snap in the throttle lever and the mighty 912 went to full throttle.
>
> I knew exactly what had happened: the throttle cable had broken
> somewhere, and the 912 series engines are designed to go to full
> throttle if this happens. Flew back to my airport, entered the pattern
> (still at 100%), established a downwind at 1000 AGL, then flipped the
> magneto switches to "off."
>
> What a rush.
>
> All your senses are screaming at you in alarm, in the very unfamiliar
> silence. I pegged my glide rate at 55 mph, and the airplane felt very
> stable. What I also realized was, this Mark-III was descending more
> steeply than my usual power-off (idle) approach. Obviously, the stopped
> prop creates more drag than an idling engine, for my setup anyway. I
> used half flaps for landing, but would have been better off if I had
> used none.
>
> I announced to the traffic pattern my situation - that I was dead stick
> and headed for THAT runway. (I even got to say "mayday" on the radio.)
>
> After landing, I had to push my 650 lbs of airplane a half mile back to
> the hangar. (Whew - good workout!) But WAY better'n being stuck out
> somewhere, if I had been forced to land because of carburetors that
> spring to idle.
>
> I disassembled the throttle splitter tube and confirmed that the cable
> had indeed separated from the splitter assembly. The tiny brass ferrule
> that is soldered to the end of the cable (this is what keeps it seated
> in the splitter slider) had pulled off. I had soldered this ferrule on
> during construction. It was my own workmanship that failed here,
> nothing the fault of the Rotax.
>
> After discussing the details with the local A&P at my airport, he
> concluded that is was likely a cold solder that caused it to let loose.
> His advice was to get a hotter soldering iron (or flame), tin the
> braided strands well before flowing the solder in. Even if you are
> using solder with flux in it, still apply flux to the braided cable
> before you touch it with the solder.
>
> It is fascinating to me how the mechanical failure of a part the size of
> an uncooked grain of rice can put you on the ground.
>
> And the 912ul fail-safe design of the carb setup got me home safe. I
> love this little engine.
>
> Lesson here is: Give appropriate attention to even the LITTLE details
> during your building process. That tiny little brass ferrule needs to
> be soldered correctly for it to do it's job.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, 912ul, 66.6 hrs on the Hobbs when I took off, this flight, in
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
>
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| Subject: | BRS repack information |
Returned from Florida to Cincinnati and the weather immediately
turned cold and wet and windy.
Shut the Firefly down on November 11. Shut down with fogging oil and
added fogging oil to cylinders. Added stabilizer to the fuel and
covered carb and muffler openings
Removed parachute to sent to to BRS for repack. Was very
reasonable. As I recall, it was under $200. When parachute
returned, it came with a new label that said it was only good to
06/08. I called and asked about the short life and he told me that
two years was all a repack was good for unless the chute was
protected and didn't get wet. I told him that my Firefly was hangar
or trailer housed and had never been wet. So he send a new label
with 06/12 as the expiration date. If you are sending your chute to
BRS and it's a soft pack, be sure to tell them that it doesn't get
wet if you want the 6 year repack life
The weather finally got warm this week and I was finally able to get
back into the air on Tuesday. It was glorious. Installed new
plugs. The engine started on the first pull and I used 5 gallons of
the old stabilized fuel without a problem.
Life is good.
Gene Ledbetter
Firefly, new 447, IVO 2 blade, 350 hrs,
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At 09:43 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>
>Possum:
>
>You flying to Lakeland?
Not this year
>Do the lakes in Georgia have alcohol in them?
"24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."
~ Stephen Wright
>john h
>mkIII
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
I personally would never use a torch to solder a cable. Too risky. It
doesn't take much flame to compromise a cable.
I use a small solder pot I made out of a half inch nut with the one
end welded shut. Heat the nut with torch and fill half full of
solder, flux the cable end and ferrule. Dip ferrule half way into the
molten solder and watch for solder to seep up into the cable strands
above the ferrule, remove and let cool.
Never had one come loose ,,,,,,,, yet.
Gene
On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Roger Lee wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> Glad everything went ok after the break.
> This is why I think everyone should go up and turn the engine off
> while in control and practice dead sticks. They are really easy as
> you now know first hand. It gves you new confidence that if
> something happens it's really not a high stress issue, but only a
> landing one.
>
> All cable ends that get pulled on or have stress should be a hot
> solder, but a word of caution, do not over heat or apply too much
> heat too long. It will cause your cable to become brittle. Just
> enough heat to cause the flux to flow and the solder to flow and
> then remove the heat. One time when I was doing a hot solder on a
> cable I did not like my solder joint at the cable end. I applied
> heat too long. When I went to check on the cable strength and
> flexibilty it snapped just behind the new solder. Too much heat,
> i.e. from a torch, will cause a cable failure. You can use the
> torch, but no more heat than necessary to melt the solder.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107946#107946
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
At 03:41 PM 4/19/2007, Paul Petty wrote:
>I know alot of things go through ones mind and Im by no means saying what
>I would have done. But monday morning quarter backing I would have called
>the "mayday" or anounced my situation to the ground and or traffic and
>went WAY out and called "straight in" everybody get the hell out of my way!
My take is that one only calls "Mayday" in a dire emergency, when you need
assistance (whether advice or traffic control) from somebody on the
ground. Not that it hurts... and announcing your situation and intentions
as Dennis is definitely a good thing. Of course at a controlled airport
it's a different thing... "Tower, Kolb one two three kilo is declaring an
emergency..."
I don't agree about the straight in, though. It gives you far fewer
options for adjusting your glide once the engine is stopped. A normal
pattern and approach gives much better control, with the option to widen or
shorten the legs as appropriate.
I had a similar problem years ago in my T-Craft; a pin fell out of the
throttle linkage and left the engine stuck just below the minimum power for
level flight. I was able to make a long slow descent back to the nearest
airport, and made the landing by "blipping" the ignition like a WWI rotary
engined airplane. Of course the prop on a Continental will keep spinning
unless you fly REAL slow and stall the plane, so switching on the ignition
starts it right up again.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Gasohol, gascolators |
In a message dated 4/19/2007 9:44:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rowedenny@windstream.net writes:
Steve,
Did it have a sump drain and glass bowel?
Denny Rowe
yup
steve
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
I like it. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Lar. Do not Archive.
On 4/19/07, Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> I personally would never use a torch to solder a cable. Too risky. It
> doesn't take much flame to compromise a cable.
> I use a small solder pot I made out of a half inch nut with the one
> end welded shut. Heat the nut with torch and fill half full of
> solder, flux the cable end and ferrule. Dip ferrule half way into the
> molten solder and watch for solder to seep up into the cable strands
> above the ferrule, remove and let cool.
> Never had one come loose ,,,,,,,, yet.
>
> Gene
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
In a message dated 4/19/2007 9:34:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
herbgh@juno.com writes:
Question: what dia and wall thickness are the lift struts on a
Firestar.. older , single seat model would be fine
Herb,
Here are the dimensions of the early Original FireStar model:
Strut = 2024-T3 Alum Tube 1-1/4" OD X .058" wall, with length to be
determined at assembly.
Internal Sleeve = 2024-T3 Alum Tube 1-1/8" OD X .058" wall X 36" long.
Internal sleeve is to be centered in the strut and held in place with one
1/8" X 1/8" rivet. It is important to place the rivet 41-1/2" from the top end
of the strut AND the rivet head toward the rear (or trailing edge) of the
strut.
Lift strut fittings are attached to each end of the strut with 1/8" X 1/2"
rivets. 5 rows of 5 rivets per row, spaced evenly around the circumference of
the tube.
Hope this helps.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
glad you're not hurt and your bird isn't.
same thing happend to me with a passenger, uneventful.
I was kinda far from my home airport and really wanted to get back there to
do the repair so I just flew it wide open, the tail boom started to shake
sometime after VNE so I angled up some to keep it slowed down a little.
Ended up at 6k over my home airport had plenty of time to figure it out how
to land it. Soon as the engine went off I think I only took one breath of
air the whole way down.
They dont fly like a sailplane.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
In a message dated 4/19/2007 1:56:06 PM Central Standard Time,
Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes:
>
> Lesson here is: Give appropriate attention to even the LITTLE details
> during your building process. That tiny little brass ferrule needs to
> be soldered correctly for it to do it's job.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, 912ul, 66.6 hrs on the Hobbs when I took off, this flight, in
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
> Dennis,
> Good to hear a post with a good ending! Keeping your head is a big factor,
> when there is a malfunction. Wish I had a way to get my Firefly to go wide
> open if the throttle cable broke. It is quite exciting to have the engine go
> that choice has to be made QUICK !
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Thanks Bill
I hoped that they were 6061 t6 since I have quite an assortment of
that...I will likely talk to the Kolb folks when I go that way next
week.. maybe Bryan also.. He built a single lift strut Firefly some time
back.. Herb
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:53:09 EDT WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 4/19/2007 9:34:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
herbgh@juno.com writes:
Question: what dia and wall thickness are the lift struts on a
Firestar.. older , single seat model would be fine
Herb,
Here are the dimensions of the early Original FireStar model:
Strut = 2024-T3 Alum Tube 1-1/4" OD X .058" wall, with length to be
determined at assembly.
Internal Sleeve = 2024-T3 Alum Tube 1-1/8" OD X .058" wall X 36" long.
Internal sleeve is to be centered in the strut and held in place with one
1/8" X 1/8" rivet. It is important to place the rivet 41-1/2" from the
top end of the strut AND the rivet head toward the rear (or trailing
edge) of the strut.
Lift strut fittings are attached to each end of the strut with 1/8" X
1/2" rivets. 5 rows of 5 rivets per row, spaced evenly around the
circumference of the tube.
Hope this helps.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight |
KSL TV carried this story tonight - not just an ultralight segment, but a
positive one as well...what model Kolb is this fellow flying?
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1124968
See you all at MV.
Doug Wetzel
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-related story on KSL tonight |
That clip from the KSL.com website is of the very
famous photographer, Adriel Heisey, who also has
several "coffee table" books in print that are truly
awesome to see. His captures of the terrain and
landscapes (many of which are unique in perspective)
are just further inspiration for all of us to fly.
I was fortunate to meet him at the Pilot's Rest airstrip
in Paulden, Az after Dave Pelletier graciously invited
me there when he and Adriel were going to share the
sky one day.
As all who remember Dave will attest, he was very
willing to help and assist anyone interested in any
aspect of flight, and I had mentioned that I had one of
Adriel's books. Adriel was kind enough to sign it.
This was a very special day for me, and one that I
remember with a heavy heart, due to Dave's passing.
Please do yourselves a favor and have a look at Adriel's
excellent work. I believe that he flies an older model
of the Kolb Classic. Maybe a Mark II. He designed &
built a unique "pod" for the area that used to be the 2nd
seat, and it houses all of his camera equipment, & the
lenses, etc. for his work. He is also a real neat guy
to speak with.
George
PS: Thanks for relighting the memories.
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