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1. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Gasohol, gascolators (N27SB@AOL.COM)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: lakeland and pic of Steve Boetto's Firefly on floats (N27SB@aol.com)
3. 05:32 AM - Re: q (Dana Hague)
4. 07:17 AM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Richard Pike)
5. 08:12 AM - gap seal (boyd)
6. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight (Ron)
7. 02:19 PM - Re: gap seal (possums)
8. 04:43 PM - Re: Firestar lift struts (Don G)
9. 04:58 PM - time lapse video: folding a kolb (Robert Laird)
10. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (possums)
11. 05:41 PM - Re: gap seal (Beauford T)
12. 05:59 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Roger Lee)
13. 05:59 PM - Re: gap seal (Dana Hague)
14. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (Dana Hague)
15. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (herbgh@juno.com)
16. 06:16 PM - Re: gap seal (possums)
17. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (herbgh@juno.com)
18. 06:39 PM - Re: HELP! N numbering my Xtra? (icrashrc)
19. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (possums)
20. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (Bob Noyer)
21. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (Dana Hague)
22. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (Dana Hague)
23. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (possums)
24. 10:25 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (herbgh@juno.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Gasohol, gascolators |
Denny
no part #. Going back to show today, I will get more info
steve
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| Subject: | Re: lakeland and pic of Steve Boetto's Firefly on floats |
In a message dated 4/20/2007 11:35:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Arksey@aol.com writes:
....he also got my grandson Kendall Rusco interested, I can see we may be
doing some flying off from water in the future.. I wish to thank Steve here
for doing that and also for all the info....
jim swan firestar ll 503 michigan
Thanks Jim, It was a Pleasure. Most people did not realize the scope of
Kendall's achievement in flying your FirestarII from OK to Mich. We don't see
many younger guys in the sport anymore and Kendall is a Fine Talented Young
Gentleman. Hope to do some flying with both of you in the future.
Steve B
Firefly 007
on Floats
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At 09:11 PM 4/20/2007, Russ Kinne wrote:
>I would feel anxious if I knew my throttle cable were held only by solder.
>The suggestion by Richard pike is a very good one, and in fact any way
>that a splayed-out cable can be secured with a jamming plug. Used all the
>time on sailboats, but never saw anything as small as a throttle cable...
I would be nervous about the jammed on plug in a vibration application. I
have done the solder thing, both for the throttle cable on my PPG as well
as replacement window lift cables in a Mazda Miata. I used brass tubing;
ran the cable through the tubing and then stuck a pin through the strands
of the cable to spread them out. FIlled the tube with solder, pin and all,
and trimmed the pin off later. Too much heat's a killer, though.
The R/C guys use cable that's brass plated. Available from hobby
suppliers, it's MUCH easier to solder to.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
After I sent my post on this yesterday, remembered that I had done an article on
this for our local EAA chapter newsletter, with some pictures. So here they
are. I think the attachments will probably show up in reverse order, but you
guys will figure it out.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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I've received a lot of responses about the need to have a gap seal. I guess
stall speeds increase & performance in general is severely degraded. Mine is
pretty shot. Has anyone built one that is permanent? Does not need to be
removed every time you fold the wings. Barring that does Kolb sell one or is
it usual for one to fabricate your own?
I did not like the option of having to remove the gap seal to fold the
wings... so I started with kolbs plans and modified them to fit my
application.. you can follow a link to my gap seal from this link. If you
have any other specific questions that you think I could help with, let me
know.
http://www.brigham.net/~byoung
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight |
Well if he is selling his pictures after taking them, but not contracting the kolb
to take the pictures then he is legal. The difference as far as the feds are
concerned is "Holding Out" in other words is he is advertising his kolb for
the purposes of taking pictures. If he is on his own accord flying his Kolb and
taking pictures and then he sells them he is 100% legal. If he takes a paying
pax with him for the purposes of a photo shoot then he is not legal and will
be violated. In other words if he is doing it for himself he is legal if he
is doing it for someone else he is FAR 135 or another type of regulated commercial
op, like a flight school etc.. .
the purpose of the reg is the protection of the public, if you are acting on your
own behalf for your own purposes even if they are monetary you are clear. Even
the mighty FAA has to regulate in accordance with the Constitution, this is
why we have the best aviation in the world.
======================
---- Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
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At 05:00 PM 4/20/2007, grabo172 wrote:
>...legally, I can't use my Firestar as a photo platform if I'm going to
>sell the photos as part of a business. I did many weeks of research and
>calling the FSDO and everything to see if I could use it... the final
>answer was... NO
>
>
>I would LOVE to be able to use my Firestar instead of having to rent a 172
>everytime I go on a photoshoot. Not only to save money ($9/hour vs
>$165/hour), but it is a MUCH better photo platform.
>
>So any ideas on how he can do it legally, or is he just doing it illeagally?
$165 an hour? Yikes! Sure has gone up since the last time I rented one!
Depending on your intentions, it could be a gray area. It's OK to take
pictures-- photography is a legitimate recreational activity-- and it's OK
to sell them later-- but you're not allowed to make a flight for the
purpose of taking pictures that you intend to sell. Enforcement would be
unlikely... unless you were advertising an aerial photography business or
taking orders to photograph specific things.
AC103.7 says, "Persons are not prohibited from flying ultralights and then
authoring books about their experiences for which they ultimately receive
compensation," which is what Adriel seems to be doing.
-Dana
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At 11:12 AM 4/21/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>I've received a lot of responses about the need to have a gap seal. I guess
>stall speeds increase & performance in general is severely degraded. Mine
is
>pretty shot. Has anyone built one that is permanent? Does not need to be
>removed every time you fold the wings. Barring that does Kolb sell one or
is
>it usual for one to fabricate your own?
This one slides out, all you have to do is take
two screws loose from the front.
Takes about 60 seconds. Here is the way we do it down south.
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WING GAP SEAL
See drawing sheet 44. In your kit are
four 1/2"x5/8"x30" sheet metal angles. Clamp two
of these together with approximately 0.032 gap
between the 1/2" legs and drill #30 holes with 1"
spacing starting from one end for 16". Then cut
metal to each of the holes so channels can be contoured to the wing.
Drill and install channels with 2"
spacing to IB side of IB wing ribs with 1/8"
rivets. Lay 0.020 sheet metal on top of wings and
mark along each channel (I think it is 6061
aluminum 'thin, but kind of stiff). Add
approximately 1/2" to each side of these marks
and cut (You don=92t have to get too tight of a fit here).
Now cut a section of 1 112" tubing to fit
between wing LE tubes. Hold tube in position and
slide gap seal LE on tube and rivet in place. Cut
a 1" long piece of 1 1/2" aluminum tube. Then cut
out 1/4" gap, as you did making rear spar
splices. Slide this piece into wing LE tube with
Epoxy applied and use sheet metal screws to
attach the forward corners of gap seal to wing LE
tubes. The doubler makes a better thread for the
sheet metal screws(drill larger hole in gap seal
for screw). I did mine a little different here
and just used one tube over the ends of the LE
tubes that stick out about 2 inches on my plane.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
I dont know if you will like these, but I built single struts for my FireFly a
couple of years ago. They made a world of difference.
here is a link to the strut mod page on my FireFly builders site.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/strut_mod.htm
I consulted with Dennis Souder on the design of the attachment fittings, and followed
his advise accordingly.
They have over 100 hours on em now....wouldnt even consider going back.
--------
Don G
FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | time lapse video: folding a kolb |
I did this today... it was a foggy morning, but it cleared.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGblkR8cdYE
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
At 10:42 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote:
>
>Nice going Dennis!! Glad to hear you got your plane down without
>incident.... looking forward to seeing you at MV soon! It's good
>that it happend close to home and not enroute to MV!!
>
>I practiced power-off (engine at idle) glide approaches regularly in
>the Firefly and performed several approaches with engine off.... I
>found the Firefly glided better and further with engine off than it
>did at idle.
I agree .... my "Semi" Firestar glides better and further with engine
off than it does at idle.
I got three blades, so the disk may effect me more.
Maybe the "Twins" have more drag to deal with than the single seaters?
This was on a day with pretty good thermals and I still don't think
"it drops like a rock" at least not to me - 400 ft per minute?
Sorry about the quality - this was with my old VHS camera converted
to digital, but still.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177096133625180462&hl=en
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Possum....
y'er show'in off fer them yankees (note small Y) again, aintcha....?
beauford
FF 076
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----- Original Message -----
From: possums
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: gap seal
At 11:12 AM 4/21/2007, you wrote:
I've received a lot of responses about the need to have a gap seal.
I guess
stall speeds increase & performance in general is severely degraded.
Mine is
pretty shot. Has anyone built one that is permanent? Does not need
to be
removed every time you fold the wings. Barring that does Kolb sell
one or is
it usual for one to fabricate your own?
This one slides out, all you have to do is take two screws loose from
the front.
Takes about 60 seconds. Here is the way we do it down south.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------
WING GAP SEAL
See drawing sheet 44. In your kit are four 1/2"x5/8"x30" sheet
metal angles. Clamp two of these together with approximately 0.032 gap
between the 1/2" legs and drill #30 holes with 1" spacing starting from
one end for 16". Then cut metal to each of the holes so channels can be
contoured to the wing.
Drill and install channels with 2" spacing to IB side of IB
wing ribs with 1/8" rivets. Lay 0.020 sheet metal on top of wings and
mark along each channel (I think it is 6061 aluminum -thin, but kind of
stiff). Add approximately 1/2" to each side of these marks and cut (You
don't have to get too tight of a fit here).
Now cut a section of 1 112" tubing to fit between wing LE
tubes. Hold tube in position and slide gap seal LE on tube and rivet in
place. Cut a 1" long piece of 1 1/2" aluminum tube. Then cut out 1/4"
gap, as you did making rear spar splices. Slide this piece into wing LE
tube with Epoxy applied and use sheet metal screws to attach the forward
corners of gap seal to wing LE tubes. The doubler makes a better thread
for the sheet metal screws(drill larger hole in gap seal for screw). I
did mine a little different here and just used one tube over the ends of
the LE tubes that stick out about 2 inches on my plane.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
400' per minute drop is nothing. d When doing auto-rotations in my helicopter it
would drop 1400'-1600' per minute. It's all in what you get used to. That's
why you need to try it so your ready if or when the day comes so you don't miss
your landing spot. With a little practice you can get within 20' of a predetermined
touchdown spot and when it's an emergency that may be exactly what you
need. You won't under or over shoot your spot with a little practice.
You will have confidence that you can calmly handle any engine out.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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At 05:16 PM 4/21/2007, possums wrote:
>This one slides out, all you have to do is take two screws loose from the
>front.
>Takes about 60 seconds. Here is the way we do it down south...
Pretty slick, gotta think about that for my US (the previous owner flew
without a gap seal). I've been thinking 1/16" Lexan, but I could do it the
same way...
Is there a bottom cover too, or just on the top? It's not clear from the
pictures.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
At 07:42 PM 4/21/2007, Don G wrote:
>
>I dont know if you will like these, but I built single struts for my
>FireFly a couple of years ago. They made a world of difference...
What is the advantage to the single strut? Less drag I suppose, but the
loss of stiffness (allowing wing twist) would seem to be a bad thing.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Don
I remember your conversion.. and would have copied it save that I am
using h sections in my spar and the thru bolt.. using Ultra star ribs and
the ultrastar h section..
Do you recall the major and minor axis for the streamlined tubing? I
am guessing that they buy it from Mary Carlson.. She has the dies for
two sizes..Herb
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:42:52 -0700 "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
writes:
>
> I dont know if you will like these, but I built single struts for my
> FireFly a couple of years ago. They made a world of difference.
>
> here is a link to the strut mod page on my FireFly builders site.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/strut_mod.htm
>
> I consulted with Dennis Souder on the design of the attachment
> fittings, and followed his advise accordingly.
> They have over 100 hours on em now....wouldnt even consider going
> back.
>
> --------
> Don G
> FireFly#098
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108364#108364
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At 08:56 PM 4/21/2007, you wrote:
>
>At 05:16 PM 4/21/2007, possums wrote:
>Is there a bottom cover too, or just on the top? It's not clear
>from the pictures.
> -Dana
>
>do not archive
No - you don't want a "bottom cover" it just slides in and out of the tracks.
This gives you several inches for your helmet, camera, etc.
If anyone needs the "tracks" - let me know, I'll send you some.
You've gotta build the rest of it yourself, like I did.
You might notice I "sealed" the wings, just in case you might
(heaven forbid) land in the ocean or a lake or something.
Guess you've heard about the global warming thing.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Dana
I suspect that the reason for the dual lift strut on the firefly was
for weight considerations? I am betting that Homer and Dennis built
several fireflies before they got one under part 103...?? A fantastic
little bird , I might add!! Love mine...
I do not follow the loss of stiffness idea? The wing is built like
all other Kolbs which have a single strut... Same spar as the Firestar..
If there is a problem, I need to know ... I am esentially building a
shortened Ultrastar or Firestar wing... Herb
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:58:36 -0400 Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
writes:
>
> At 07:42 PM 4/21/2007, Don G wrote:
> >
> >I dont know if you will like these, but I built single struts for
> my
> >FireFly a couple of years ago. They made a world of difference...
>
> What is the advantage to the single strut? Less drag I suppose, but
> the
> loss of stiffness (allowing wing twist) would seem to be a bad
> thing.
>
> -Dana
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: HELP! N numbering my Xtra? |
Experimental Amateur Built:
As long as you have the previous owners building log there's no problem.
E-LSA has the deadline of 1-31-08 and would be your best option if you can't get
build logs or want to use the airframe for commercial purposes.
--------
Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
At 08:58 PM 4/21/2007, you wrote:
>
>At 07:42 PM 4/21/2007, Don G wrote:
>>
>>I dont know if you will like these, but I built single struts for
>>my FireFly a couple of years ago. They made a world of difference...
>
>What is the advantage to the single strut? Less drag I suppose, but
>the loss of stiffness (allowing wing twist) would seem to be a bad thing.
>
> -Dana
Ok - since it's Saturday and after 5:00 PM and most of the hard core
Kolb guys have gone to
"Sun & Fun" , I'll comment here. My plane (half Kolb/half Fergy) and
has connections for
both the single and double struts. You supposed right, less drag is
the advantage,
Loss of 8 mph top end.
Wing twist is why they were ever there to start with. But it is very
hard to twist the original Kolb wing/ribs. My plane
has original Kolb wing/ribs. However, I do put the doubles on
occasionally when I might decide to do
something outside the envelope. Fergy has taken them off all their
planes (if you would want to know).
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Re: Ff double struts. Need the extra drag to comply w/ 103. dang
shame, though.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
At 09:20 PM 4/21/2007, herbgh@juno.com wrote:
> I suspect that the reason for the dual lift strut on the firefly was
>for weight considerations?
>
> I do not follow the loss of stiffness idea? The wing is built like
>all other Kolbs which have a single strut... Same spar as the Firestar..
Having dual struts resists twisting of the wing, and the expense of drag
(vs. a single strut). If there's only one strut (as in the Ultrastar), the
wing structure itself has to resist all the twisting forces (as from
aileron deflection). A single strut attaching at two points is no stiffer
than a single strut attaching at one point (unless the strut is VERY stiff,
with a rigid connection to the crossbar).
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
At 09:47 PM 4/21/2007, Bob Noyer wrote:
>
>Re: Ff double struts. Need the extra drag to comply w/ 103. dang
>shame, though.
Ah HA! Is that really why? Tricky, very tricky...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
At 09:58 PM 4/21/2007, you wrote:
>>Re: Ff double struts. Need the extra drag to comply w/ 103. dang
>>shame, though.
>
>Ah HA! Is that really why? Tricky, very tricky...
>
> -Dana
YES -
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Hi Dana
Understand now... The Firefly does not have dual lift struts in the
normal sense.. They both attach to the main 5 inch spar...
And I see in a later post what I now recall .. To add drag... part 103
consideration.. Herb
do not archive
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:56:56 -0400 Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
writes:
>
> At 09:20 PM 4/21/2007, herbgh@juno.com wrote:
>
> > I suspect that the reason for the dual lift strut on the
> firefly was
> >for weight considerations?
> >
> > I do not follow the loss of stiffness idea? The wing is built
> like
> >all other Kolbs which have a single strut... Same spar as the
> Firestar..
>
> Having dual struts resists twisting of the wing, and the expense of
> drag
>
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