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1. 04:13 AM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
2. 04:15 AM - Flimsy Little Planes (Dave Rains)
3. 04:30 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
4. 04:56 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dave Rains)
5. 05:00 AM - Re: Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 (John Hauck)
6. 05:46 AM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (Ralph B)
7. 05:53 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Ralph B)
8. 06:09 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dave Rains)
9. 06:34 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Paul Petty)
10. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (John Hauck)
11. 06:39 AM - Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 (Paul Petty)
12. 06:42 AM - Re: low and not-so-slow video (Paul Petty)
13. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 (John Hauck)
14. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: low and not-so-slow video (John Hauck)
15. 07:09 AM - Make my own Turbo set-up (Mike Welch)
16. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (N27SB@aol.com)
17. 08:02 AM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (N27SB@aol.com)
18. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
19. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (herbgh@juno.com)
20. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (Ron)
21. 09:25 AM - Re: Help-- High Voltage? (Ron)
22. 09:31 AM - Re: Help-- High Voltage? (Ron)
23. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (John Hauck)
24. 09:49 AM - Re: Help-- High Voltage? (John Hauck)
25. 10:55 AM - High Voltage-- thank you (Tom O'Hara)
26. 11:14 AM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (Larry Cottrell)
27. 11:15 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Cottrell)
28. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (N27SB@aol.com)
29. 11:45 AM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (N27SB@AOL.COM)
30. 12:20 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Paul Petty)
31. 01:10 PM - Monument Valley questions (Jon LaVasseur)
32. 01:38 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Denny Rowe)
33. 01:55 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Denny Rowe)
34. 03:03 PM - Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? (John H Murphy)
35. 03:23 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (WillUribe@aol.com)
36. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Bourne)
37. 03:55 PM - Re: Monument Valley questions (Larry Bourne)
38. 04:31 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dave Rains)
39. 04:33 PM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (Flycrazy8@AOL.com)
40. 04:47 PM - Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? (John Hauck)
41. 04:57 PM - Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? (Dave Rains)
42. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Richard Pike)
43. 05:07 PM - Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? (John Hauck)
44. 05:10 PM - cost to cover an UltraStar (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
45. 05:10 PM - Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? (Ralph B)
46. 05:34 PM - Re: cost to cover an UltraStar (John Hauck)
47. 05:49 PM - Re: cost to cover an UltraStar (Kolbdriver)
48. 05:49 PM - 582 oil pump (Jim Kmet)
49. 06:05 PM - Re: 582 oil pump (John Hauck)
50. 06:17 PM - Re: 582 oil pump (Jerry Deckard)
51. 06:36 PM - Re: 582 oil pump (Jim Kmet)
52. 06:43 PM - Re: 582 oil pump (Dave Rains)
53. 06:45 PM - Re: 582 oil pump (John Hauck)
54. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Cottrell)
55. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: 582 oil pump (Jim Kmet)
56. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Bourne)
57. 07:33 PM - Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? (Dave Bigelow)
58. 07:44 PM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Dave Bigelow)
59. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? (Larry Cottrell)
60. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (John Hauck)
61. 07:57 PM - just flying (Larry Cottrell)
62. 08:02 PM - Re: 582 oil pump (Richard Pike)
63. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (DAquaNut@aol.com)
64. 08:43 PM - Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? (JetPilot)
65. 09:32 PM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (JetPilot)
66. 10:35 PM - Re: Monument Valley questions (TheWanderingWench)
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 447 longevity |
Ed I recently removed a 447 engine that I ran to 401 hrs without any
decarbon, the engine was still running fine I just figured it was better to replace
the engine but I didnt use Pennzoil
Ellery with a new engine in Febuary
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| Subject: | Flimsy Little Planes |
So, I like saw one these Kolbs, and it's like made out of paper or something. [Shocked]
Are they really safe? I mean the one I saw had a mexikan (overweight)
in it and hard as I tried, there wasn't an ICE agent to be found! My plane
is made out of metal :D I'm going to fly up to Monument valley the same week
as you girly men, and show you what a real plane can do!
Skeeter
(future helicopter owner)
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
The kolb is a stronger plane than you think and dam sure is not made out of
paper there the best little planes you could get compared to any other of its
class if you had done your home work you would have realized this before you
made a donkey's behind out of your self
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Ellery, never heard of you :( are you going to monument valley, or do you just
fly around the patch?
Skeeter
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| Subject: | Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 |
| Roger Lee
Roger:
Thanks. I was confused.
My line of thinking was more, setting the carbs and reading the
gauges.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 447 longevity |
I have over 450 hours on my 447. It's never been overhauled or decarboned. I don't
plan on doing anything but inspect the rings and cylinders once a year as
I always do. I do use Seafoam and Klotz synthetic oil. I believe in it, but that's
just my opinion. I like a reliable engine, and I have had great reliability
with this combo.
Ralph
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Original Firestar
20 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Dave, yeah I used paper to cover mine instead of that dacron stuff. It seems to
work pretty good considering I've been flying so long. Am I a "girly guy" or
just plain stubborn? [Laughing]
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Original Firestar
20 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
No Ralph, you have earned your status as a true Kolb (alpha male) pilot. Would
like to see you make MV some time. How runs the rotax? Do Jim and Dondi still
provide the dacron for Kolb kits? I wish I had another one, but I can always
steal Will's in a pinch. I'm building a Mosquito XE this year, a small helicopter.
With any luck, (or perhaps a lot) I'll be bringing it to MV next year.
Best regards,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Dave,
Helocopter= 35,000 moving parts swirling around an oil leak [Shocked]
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Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
I'm building a Mosquito XE this year, a small helicopter. With any
luck, (or perhaps a lot) I'll be bringing it to MV next year.
| Best regards,
| Dave
Dave:
Great!
John W and I can go flying. ;-)
john h
mkIII (Old helicopter pilot)
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| Subject: | Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 |
Gang,
Ronnie Smith of SMLA told me at sun-n-fun he was switching to a "one" guage set
up and used a valve to switch from one side to the other to eliminate the differance
in two or more guages.
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Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: low and not-so-slow video |
Hi John. I take it you are back home as well as John H. Glad you both made it home
safe. Sorry I missed you guys at sun-$-fun. What do you think of the new mark
III X-tra?
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Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Balancing Carbs on a 912 |
"one" guage set up
| Paul Petty
Paul:
I like that idea.
Would like it even better if Rotax could get a fuel injection supplier
and eliminate the need for balancing dual carbs.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: low and not-so-slow video |
What do you think of the new mark III X-tra?
Paul:
Good looking airplane, but I am stuck on my old bird.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Make my own Turbo set-up |
Hey All,
A little over a week ago I asked everybody for their opinion on the
"Perfect engine" or more specifically, "the Perfect Power". (to push my
MkIII) While there were one or two guys that said the 60 HP range (Rotax
582) was just fine, it appears that the basic concensus was more the 80 HP
range (Rotax 912).
Since I already have my Kolb engine (GEO 1000cc 3 cylinder, Raven
Redrive) (approx. 60 hp, 58 ftlb torque) and I am going to stick with it,
here is what I have decided to do: I am going to fabricate my OWN Turbo
set-up. First, let me say "I don't know diddly about turbo-ing
anything." But, thank God for Google search and eBay!!!
In the course of a week, I feel I have come up with enough "know-how" to
put a turbo on my GEO. Yes, there are important issues to resolve!!!
Things like;
1) Excess turbine back pressure (handled by a wastegate)
2) Surging, after you close the throttle (quickly letting off the gas)
(handled by the Blow-Off valve)
3) Proper turbo size (This isn't as critical as you might think!!)
4) Fuel/air ratio (turbos give you "tons" more air, so what about the fuel
to go along with it??)
(This is handled by the O2 sensor and the MAP sensor. The O2 sensor will
read extra lean and then tell the computer to richen up the fuel/air ratio.
The MAP, manifold air pressure, sensor also assists the O2 sensor in
detecting the correct F/A mixture)
There are, of course, other issues, but for this email they get lengthy.
I could have bought a ready-made turbo set-up from Raven ($1800), but after
doing all the research, I decided to do my own. Kind of a challenge thing.
I can certainly handle the fabrication part of the project.
And putting a turbo on an engine isn't Rocket Science!!! (It isn't, is
it??) Just kidding.
If anyone is interested in what I have come up with, let me know. Call me
435-817-1816. It's just too complicated to do by way of email. (Plus,
I'll tell you about this awesome turbo I found that doesn't need a
wastegate....brand new...$325...came on Shelbys...and really small.)
By the way, all told, I may have about $600 TOTAL to do this turbo set-up.
I should go from 60 HP to about 80-85HP. And yes, as I stated before,
Suzuki 3 cylinders came with turbos as an option in their cars a few years
ago.
Gotta get to work on my shop. Mike in SW Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Sounds like you Guys got this one sorted out.
Yes the two struts were for drag for part 103. Drag values were given for
different parts and tubes for the paper calculations.
A conversion to a single strut with ONE connection would require a new wing
with an H section.
Don, I like your mod, might use it on my FF. I get plenty af drag with my
Floats.
This info comes via Bryan Melborn.
Steve B
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 447 longevity |
Ed,
Bryan and I pulled the exhaust on my 447 just before the show. This engine
probably had Well over 100 hours on it.
Results, Very clean, almost like new. Rings loose, oily and clean. The top
of the piston had a mild coating of tan powder and the EGT probes were tan
and clean. Hatch marks looked like new and only a very small line of vertical
wear.
I run Pennzoil as recommended by Rotax 50:1 and I Fly at 5900 Rpm with the
Factory jets and settings.
Simple and Pie Or is it cake
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
If You have never heard of me you must not have been on the list to long or
just not paying attention, I dont just fly around the patch I live on the
other end of the country, so..... No.... I wont be going to MV because my little
paper airplane will fall apart if I run into rain somewhere along the way
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Steve
I installed Ultrastar H sections in my new Firefly wings.. Gonna use
whatever lift strut/hardware Bryan used when he built the Fly for a guy
in east Tenn. I will do a bit of streamlining on the back part of the
struts .
Herb
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:47:01 EDT N27SB@aol.com writes:
Sounds like you Guys got this one sorted out.
Yes the two struts were for drag for part 103. Drag values were given
for different parts and tubes for the paper calculations.
A conversion to a single strut with ONE connection would require a new
wing with an H section.
Don, I like your mod, might use it on my FF. I get plenty af drag with my
Floats.
This info comes via Bryan Melborn.
Steve B
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
Very nice video, and nice flying on your part.
Ron (Arizona)
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---- Dave Bigelow <up_country@hotmail.com> wrote:
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This is an update on the HKS powered Firestar. I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve
been flying it regularly, and nothing to report but good. It=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2s smooth, powerful, starts immediately, and hasn=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2t missed a beat. I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve been going over it very
carefully after every flight, and everything is solid, with no sign of anyt
hing wanting to shake off or come loose.
Fuel consumption is between 2.4 and 2.5 gallons per hour over the broad ran
ge of flying. You could probably do a bit better than that in steady cruise
.
The only thing I am going to change is to add an oil thermostat. I fly over
such a broad range of altitude and temperature that it is difficult to reg
ulate oil temperature by partially blocking the cooler airflow.
Here are a couple of hints for anyone contemplating using this engine:
1. The ignition is hot from the battery/rectifier. It has to have 12 volt D
C to run. It is very important to have a good grounding system. If not, it
is easy to blow an ignition module or worse.
2. Get the HKS tachometer. It is the best small tachometer I=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2ve every used, and has a warning light built in that comes on if y
ou exceed maximum RPM.
Here is link to YouTube to a short video clip I posted of operations from m
y pasture strip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrTNuS9yVY
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Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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| Subject: | Re: Help-- High Voltage? |
First thing I would do is hook up a voltage regulator and make sure the two instruments
agree, if not, then I would find out where is the voltage regulator and
swap it out. Other than that can't think of anything else off hand.
Ron (arizona)
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First, let me say that I am a buyer/flyer not a builder/flyer. Purchased a MKIII
a year and a half ago and have been having a ball. I believe it is the first
one out of the TN plant.
Saturday I went out for a flight and had an EIS warning light come on--- voltage.
Currently the EIS is set for 11.2 to 14.6 volts acceptable range. I was running
16.2 to 17.4.
Are the set points correct?
Where should I start trouble shooting?
What are the consequences of the high voltage?
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| Subject: | Re: Help-- High Voltage? |
First thing I would do is hook up a voltage meter and make sure the two instruments
agree, if not, then I would find out where is the voltage regulator and swap
it out. Other than that can't think of anything else off hand.
Ron (arizona)
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---- Tom O'Hara <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
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First, let me say that I am a buyer/flyer not a builder/flyer. Purchased a MKIII
a year and a half ago and have been having a ball. I believe it is the first
one out of the TN plant.
Saturday I went out for a flight and had an EIS warning light come on--- voltage.
Currently the EIS is set for 11.2 to 14.6 volts acceptable range. I was running
16.2 to 17.4.
Are the set points correct?
Where should I start trouble shooting?
What are the consequences of the high voltage?
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
No.... I wont be going to MV because my little
| paper airplane will fall apart if I run into rain somewhere along
the way
|
| Ellery in Maine
Ellery:
Try Wal*Mart shopping bag material and waterproof glue. Works great,
is water resistant, and extremely light weight.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Help-- High Voltage? |
Gang:
Didn't say what engine he was running, but constant hight voltage on a
two or four stroke Rotax is time to change out regulator/rectifier.
Only takes a minute to have the battery boiling. Been there and done
that. As an immediate expedient, turn on everything in the aircraft
that consumes 12VDC power. This will lessen the problem until you can
land and shut down the engine.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | High Voltage-- thank you |
Thanks for the help-- will be looking at regulator/rectifier this week.
Boyd-- I am aware of the "special smoke". Used to fly hot air and we were always
asked what kind of "special air" we used. Always answered that we bought it
at the Hot Air Store. The really special air was when you caught a gust on
inflation. That air could smell of burnt nylon-- which is REALLY special--$$$$----LOL
Thanks again
Note: Rotax 582
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 447 longevity |
Im trying to make a decision. Your input will help me make the right
one. Has any one ran a 447 to 100 hours without a decarbon using
pennzoil? Has anyone had a 447 fail due to carbon under the rings
before reaching 100 hours while using Pennzoil air cooled exclusively?
PLEASE, No oil war! If you have experience That falls in either of
these categories, I would like to have your imput, otherwise please dont
respond. Thanks in advance.
Ed Diebel (FF 62)
Hi,
I put 200 hours on a 447 with no decarbon or need to do so, using
only Penn air cooled. No noticeable reduction in power, very little
carbon on the top of the cylinders. Take your exhaust off and look at
it. Do a compression check. A lot of the carbon buildup comes with
running the egt's too low. No one of us can tell you it is alright
without being able to look at it ourselves. However if I had not
obtained a 503, I would still be flying the 447 without a "decarbon".
Larry , Oregon
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes
>
>
> No.... I wont be going to MV because my little
> the way
>
>
> Ellery:
>
> Try Wal*Mart shopping bag material and waterproof glue. Works great,
> is water resistant, and extremely light weight.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
Ellery,
How long is your leg by now? :-) Oh, by the way, STOP SHOUTING! ;-)
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
In a message dated 4/24/2007 12:08:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
herbgh@juno.com writes:
Steve
I installed Ultrastar H sections in my new Firefly wings.. Gonna use
whatever lift strut/hardware Bryan used when he built the Fly for a guy in east
Tenn. I will do a bit of streamlining on the back part of the struts .
Herb
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Hi Herb
Sounds like the way to go if you built you wings that way.
steve
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 447 longevity |
In a message dated 4/24/2007 11:03:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N27SB@aol.com writes:
I run Pennzoil as recommended by Rotax 50:1 and I Fly at 5900 Rpm with the
Factory jets and settings.
Simple as Pie Or is it cake
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Forgot to add, I pitch the prop for WOT level flight at 6600 + a little.
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Larry,
For some reason i get about 1 out of every post you make to the list.
Anyone else having this problem?
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Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Monument Valley questions |
Hi Kolb guys and ladies,
Ive been hoping to come to Monument Valley for
some time. If I get to come this year it is
certain that I will trailer the bird. I havent
flown my Firestar more than 150 miles from home
so you can imagine I have a lot of questions.
Id be grateful if some of you would writer back
with details on the life and flying at Monument
Valley.
How much actual flying goes on?
Is weather good for flying all day or just
morning and evening?
Is there much chance of bad weather this time of
year?
Do you guys kinda fly together or not?
Is there is a lot of other air traffic in the
area?
What are the winds like?
Is motor gas available?
What are the daytime and nighttime temperatures?
Are there tie-down charges or other fees for
flying there?
Are there any special flight rules in the area?
My normal flying is around 2,000-3000 MSL. Do
the jet needles in the 503 need changing for
Monument Valley?
Is there any other engine modification
recommended?
Is there anything for a guys wife to do if she
is not crazy about flying?
How big is the general flying area, in case I
ever had to walk back? :-)
Unrelated but does any one know if flying near
the hoodoos at Bryce Canyon is legal?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely,
Jon LaVasseur
Firestar503@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
@yahoo.com>
>
> So, I like saw one these Kolbs, and it's like made out of paper or
> something. [Shocked] Are they really safe? I mean the one I saw had a
> mexikan (overweight) in it and hard as I tried, there wasn't an ICE agent
> to be found! My plane is made out of metal :D I'm going to fly up to
> Monument valley the same week as you girly men, and show you what a real
> plane can do!
> Skeeter
> (future helicopter owner)
>
>
> BIG GRIN,
Sic him, Will
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
----- Original Message -----
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes
The kolb is a stronger plane than you think and dam sure is not made
out of paper there the best little planes you could get compared to any
other of its class if you had done your home work you would have
realized this before you made a donkey's behind out of your self
Ellery
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Ellery,
Take it easy , Dave is only pulling your leg about Kolb construction.
He used to be a Kolb pilot and is a regular at Monument Valley. He and
Will Uribe do a lot of flying together and he is just jealous cause he
no longer has his Firestar. ;-)
Denny
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| Subject: | Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? |
I have a Kolb Firestar II. Obviously it's best if flying with no wind. I'm curious
to find out what the maximum speed most people fly in and still be "comfortable".
There are other things of course that come into play as well such as thermals
and wind shear & the like. I sure like a completely calm day for flying!
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| Subject: | Flimsy Little Planes |
Hi Ellery,
Dave sold his FireStar to a guy from Mexico and now flys a tin can. When
ever he flys my FireStar he regrets ever selling his to the Mexican. The
tightwad finally got Roadrunner so he is back on the list after a long absents
and
is just messing with the new list members.
Check out this webpage for our first flight to Monument Valley in July 2001.
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/oregon.htm
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
_http://members.aol.com/WillUribe/mv/_ (http://members.aol.com/WillUribe/mv/)
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ElleryWeld@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes
The kolb is a stronger plane than you think and dam sure is not made out of
paper there the best little planes you could get compared to any other of its
class if you had done your home work you would have realized this before
you made a donkey's behind out of your self
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
I assume you're talking to this Larry, Paul, but I'm not sure what you
mean. Wish I could've joined you at SnF.
Lar. Do not Archive.
On 4/24/07, Paul Petty <paulpetty@myway.com> wrote:
>
>
> Larry,
> For some reason i get about 1 out of every post you make to the list.
>
> Anyone else having this problem?
>
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Paul Petty
> Kolbra #12
> Ms Dixie
> Final assembly!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108986#108986
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley questions |
Lots of flying and lots of b.s.ing. For some of your answers, go to my site
at www.gogittum.com click on the "Traveling" link and go to the Monument
Valley pages. Lar. Do not Archive.
On 4/24/07, Jon LaVasseur <firestar503@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Kolb guys and ladies,
>
> I've been hoping to come to Monument Valley for
> some time. If I get to come this year it is
> certain that I will trailer the bird. I haven't
> flown my Firestar more than 150 miles from home
> so you can imagine I have a lot of questions.
> I'd be grateful if some of you would writer back
> with details on the life and flying at Monument
> Valley.
>
>
> How much actual flying goes on?
>
> Is weather good for flying all day or just
> morning and evening?
>
> Is there much chance of bad weather this time of
> year?
>
> Do you guys kinda fly together or not?
>
> Is there is a lot of other air traffic in the
> area?
>
> What are the winds like?
>
> Is motor gas available?
>
> What are the daytime and nighttime temperatures?
>
> Are there tie-down charges or other fees for
> flying there?
>
> Are there any special flight rules in the area?
>
> My normal flying is around 2,000-3000 MSL. Do
> the jet needles in the 503 need changing for
> Monument Valley?
>
> Is there any other engine modification
> recommended?
>
> Is there anything for a guy's wife to do if she
> is not crazy about flying?
>
> How big is the general flying area, in case I
> ever had to walk back? :-)
>
> Unrelated but does any one know if flying near
> the hoodoos at Bryce Canyon is legal?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jon LaVasseur
> Firestar503@yahoo.com
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Yeah Will, got to mess with the natives. For all the list members who don't know
me, I do have a few hours in the Firestar, quite a few, many hundreds, perhaps
more! I have a deep respect for the design, as I've used it both for work
and pleasure, and in all weather, (except I don't do no ice!). Now, what's the
count for MV this year? I just know big Lar is flying Vamoose in, right? [Rolling
Eyes] Looking forward to seeing old friends and doing some good flying.
I intend to give a lot of free rides to the local kids.
Dave.
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 447 longevity |
Im trying to make a decision. Your input will help me make the right one.
Has any one ran a 447 to 100 hours without a decarbon using pennzoil? Has
anyone had a 447 fail due to carbon under the rings before reaching 100 hours
while using Pennzoil air cooled exclusively? PLEASE, No oil war! If you have
experience That falls in either of these categories, I would like to have your
imput, otherwise please dont respond. Thanks in advance.
Ed Diebel (FF 62)
Hey Ed
Got 166 hours on my 447 and no carbon build-up . I am using seafoam with my
Pennz-Oil Air Cooled
Stephen
Firefly
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? |
Subject: Kolb-List: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying?
That's an easy one to answer.
"When the air is not lumpy."
Unfortunately, when one cross country's a Kolb, he will encounter
smooth and well as lumpy air, especially out West.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? |
Yes John, Lumpy air reduces the fun, but a lumpy pilot does not notice :)
Right?
Skeeter
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
No, but Paul, every post from you - Outlook Express puts it in my "Deleted
Items" folder, no matter how I try and configure it not to. Not saying it's
you, but since the topic has come up...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes
>
> Larry,
> For some reason i get about 1 out of every post you make to the list.
>
> Anyone else having this problem?
>
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Paul Petty
> Kolbra #12
> Ms Dixie
> Final assembly!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108986#108986
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? |
Dave:
I did not do a good job of answering the question which was, "Maximum wind speed
for comfortable flying?"
If the wind is coming off the Gulf of Mexico or Lake Superior, and you are flying
low level down the beach, or over the waters edge, it will be smooth as silk.
10 mph wind over a hanger, barn, out house, lumpy sharp pointy mountains, and it
will kick your butt.
Tough question to answer. Maybe my previous answer was acceptable after all.
john h
PS: Don't know about lumpy pilots though. ;-)
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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | cost to cover an UltraStar |
My UltraStar, built in 1984, is ready for new coverings. I haven't
priced the stuff yet, but would someone be able to give me a ballpark cost of
what I can expect?
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? |
I used to fly in winds up to 25mph. The plane will take a direct 15mph crosswind
on landing. Now I pick my days and fly in winds less than 15mph. Maybe I'm getting
old.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: cost to cover an UltraStar |
| My UltraStar, built in 1984, is ready for new coverings. I
haven't
| priced the stuff yet, but would someone be able to give me a
ballpark cost of
| what I can expect?
Who are we talking to?
Be nice to have a signature. I have trouble remembering my own email
address, much less someone else's.
Best bet is call Jim and/or Dondi Miller for that info. They will
also be the best folks to give you what you need to do the job
correctly. Plus, they are also a big help if you have any questions
as to technique, etc.
1-877-877-3334
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | cost to cover an UltraStar |
Give Jim and Dondi a call.
Aircraft technical Support
1.877.877.3334
Mike
Oak Grove Missouri
Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs
Suzuki G13B 1.3L - 0hrs
Started with Big Lar still behind...
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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: cost to cover an UltraStar
My UltraStar, built in 1984, is ready for new coverings. I haven't
priced the stuff yet, but would someone be able to give me a ballpark cost
of what I can expect?
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Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection.
With everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine
with the electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get
some oil movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine
crankcase where the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put
gas in & run the engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at
different throttle settings. Everything else ablout the installation
looks great & "by the book". Thanks, Jim Kmet
MK-3C
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| Subject: | Re: 582 oil pump |
I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the engine with no visible oil
movement while cranking at different throttle settings. Everything
else ablout the installation looks great & "by the book". Thanks,
Jim Kmet
MK-3C
Jim:
Put 5 gals of 50 to 1 fuel/oil mix for the first run. I think that is
in the installation manual somewhere. You can do a search for it on
the Kodiak web page.
I think that is what I did for start up and break in of my 582 in
1992. Some of the current 582 guys should be able to give you better
info.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: 582 oil pump |
I would run the first couple of gallons as premix.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Kmet
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 oil pump
Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection.
With everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine
with the electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get
some oil movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine
crankcase where the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put
gas in & run the engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at
different throttle settings. Everything else ablout the installation
looks great & "by the book". Thanks, Jim Kmet
MK-3C
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| Subject: | Re: 582 oil pump |
I plan on running & breaking in engine with the recomeded procedures,
which include pre-mix, the question is,,,,,,,, should there be visible
movement, during & as a result of Cranking???
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Deckard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 oil pump
I would run the first couple of gallons as premix.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Kmet
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 oil pump
Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection.
With everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine
with the electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get
some oil movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine
crankcase where the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put
gas in & run the engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at
different throttle settings. Everything else ablout the installation
looks great & "by the book". Thanks, Jim Kmet
MK-3C
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
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| Subject: | Re: 582 oil pump |
No, you won't see any visible movement. Just ensure there are no bubbles in the
lines after about 5 gallons of premix. The 582 pump is very reliable in my
opinion.
Skeeter
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| Subject: | Re: 582 oil pump |
the question is,,,,,,,, should there be visible movement, during &
as a result of Cranking???
Not hardly.
1 part in 50 ain't much, especially at cranking speeds.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
funny, but Ralph ends up there for me. I have tried everything that I know
of but he is still "SPAM" to my computer. I had a dog once that was a good
judge of character, not sure whether to believe my computer though.
:-)
Larry, Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes
>
> No, but Paul, every post from you - Outlook Express puts it in my
> "Deleted Items" folder, no matter how I try and configure it not to. Not
> saying it's you, but since the topic has come up...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:20 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes
>
>
>>
>> Larry,
>> For some reason i get about 1 out of every post you make to the list.
>>
>> Anyone else having this problem?
>>
>>
>> do not archive
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>> --------
>> Paul Petty
>> Kolbra #12
>> Ms Dixie
>> Final assembly!
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108986#108986
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| Subject: | Re: 582 oil pump |
Thank you guys!!! : ) Jim
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 582 oil pump
>
> No, you won't see any visible movement. Just ensure there are no bubbles
> in the lines after about 5 gallons of premix. The 582 pump is very
> reliable in my opinion.
> Skeeter
>
> --------
> Dave Rains
> N8086T
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Something that may be a factor is that I'm still fooling around with Gmail
for biglar email, and have been too lazy to get around to making the new
settings. If I reply to a message, then delete the original message, it
seems like gmail may be shortcircuiting the whole thing somehow. If I just
go back to Inbox, seems like all is OK. Gotta get offa my dead duff - this
gmail is a real PITA. I replied to this thread earlier, and don't see my
reply in the sequence. This time, I'll leave the original in the inbox and
see what happens. Lar. Do not Archive.
On 4/24/07, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
>
>
> funny, but Ralph ends up there for me. I have tried everything that I know
> of but he is still "SPAM" to my computer. I had a dog once that was a good
> judge of character, not sure whether to believe my computer though.
> :-)
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes
>
>
> >
> > No, but Paul, every post from you - Outlook Express puts it in my
> > "Deleted Items" folder, no matter how I try and configure it not to. Not
> > saying it's you, but since the topic has come up...
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes
> >
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> >>
> >> Larry,
> >> For some reason i get about 1 out of every post you make to the list.
> >>
> >> Anyone else having this problem?
> >>
> >>
> >> do not archive
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> >> --------
> >> Paul Petty
> >> Kolbra #12
> >> Ms Dixie
> >> Final assembly!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108986#108986
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? |
I agree with Ralph - 15 mph and below makes for reasonable fun flying. The Firestar
will handle more than that, but the "pucker factor" increases rapidly with
velocity. If the air is unstable, even 15 mph can get exciting.
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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
> Spend a buck and get a new cable. Why take a chance on another
> failure.
>
> Your home soldered cable is not the first failure I have heard about.
>
> john h
> mkIII
I agree with John. You can get cables with professionally soldered ends in custom
lengths from California Power Systems at a reasonable price.
It's also important to make sure the throttle end is properly done too - those
disconnects between pilot and engine can ruin your whole day.
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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? |
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying?
Quite frankly it depends on the terrain. The wind blows pretty hard here,
but if there are no lumps in the ground it is just slower one direction. I
flew down to Rome (Oregon) this morning and was showing 87 mph GPS and it
was smooth as silk. (6000 RPM's) On the way back of course I was showing 53
mph, Still no real bumps, but there were a few changes of attitude that I
needed to correct. I also prefer to fly when it is calm, and generally will
not go up without provocation.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
You can get cables with professionally soldered ends in custom
lengths from California Power Systems at a reasonable price.
| Dave Bigelow
Dave:
Over all my years flying Kolbs, I have always used throttle and
enricher cables supplied by Kolb. Give Travis a call. He'll fix you
up with the best. I have never had a throttle cable failure. One
less problem to worry about.
john h
mkIII
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I found today that I have managed to put 40 hours on the reconstructed
Kolb Firestar since Oct. It is surprising how often you can find the
time to fly when you have your own runway and hanger. Today I was
looking for wandering Bulls for a neighbor. None found, but I did find
this old abandoned ranch house that Karen and I revisited by quad.
If you notice in the foreground the rocks that are in a circle are the
boundaries of a grave. At least that is my interpretation. Take a look
at the implement wheels leaning up against the end of the house. The
floor was dirt, by the way. I apologize in advance for those who have
dial up, but then again the picts are only 160 kbs.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: 582 oil pump |
I don't remember now how I did it, but in addition to using the 50:1
premix, but somehow I reached back across the wing from the front side
and pulled the oil pump cable while the engine was running at part
throttle. If you kick the oil pump up to max, within a short time it
will suck all the air bubbles out, and the noticable increase in oil
smoke tells you that the pump is doing it's thing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Kmet
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 oil pump
Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection.
With everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine
with the electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get
some oil movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine
crankcase where the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put
gas in & run the engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at
different throttle settings. Everything else ablout the installation
looks great & "by the book". Thanks, Jim Kmet
MK-3C
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Lar,
Whats the hold up with vamoose. I forget. Havent heard much as of late.
Wonder if You trailered her up to Oshkosh, If some of the Young Eagles could get
her going for you.
Ed FF 62 Do Not Archive<BR><BR><BR>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum wind speed for "comfortable" flying? |
15 MPH .... You could fly in more wind if you are an experienced pilot, but its
no fun.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 447 longevity |
Ed,
There is a lot of risk opening up an engine that does not need to be opened up.
There is always the chance of damaging something, or something being done wrong
that could cause problems or a fialure. Bottom line, dont work on an engine
that has nothing wrong with it.
Remember, many times manuals are written by lawyers, not mechanics. They may say
decarbon every 2 hours, that covers their arse. The dont care and they are
not liable if the engine is damaged or put back together wrong by a mechanic...
So what do you think they are going to recommend ? Get the picture ?
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley questions |
Hi Jon,
I've only been to the Kolb fly-in once - last year -
so my answers are based on that one experience:
> How much actual flying goes on?
Last year it was pretty hot, so most folks flew in the
morning and the evening. You could easily fly 4-5
hours/day if you want to get up early.
>
> Is weather good for flying all day or just
> morning and evening?
See answer above.
>
> Is there much chance of bad weather this time of
> year?
Yes - but that's always true when you fly in this part
of the country. "Bad weather" mostly translates into
strong winds and thermals.
>
> Do you guys kinda fly together or not?
Some do, some don't. I didn't see any evidence of
"Let's all get together tomorrow and fly at
such-and-such a time." If someone was ready to fly
and someone else wanted to join up, it happened.
>
> Is there is a lot of other air traffic in the
> area?
There was a "cruise ship" flying sightsee-ers in and
out. But not a problem as far as our flying.
>
> What are the winds like?
See first answer.
>
> Is motor gas available?
Yes, there's a gas station about 1/3 mile away.
>
> What are the daytime and nighttime temperatures?
HOT during the day. In the 90's. Cooled down some at
night.
>
> Are there tie-down charges or other fees for
> flying there?
Not that I remember.
>
> Are there any special flight rules in the area?
Don't land on the mesas.
>
> My normal flying is around 2,000-3000 MSL. Do
> the jet needles in the 503 need changing for
> Monument Valley?
I have a 503 DCDI. I dropped my jet needle to the
lowest position and went to a smaller main jet.
>
> Is there any other engine modification
> recommended?
I didn't do anything else.
>
> Is there anything for a guys wife to do if she
> is not crazy about flying?
The lodge, museum and gift shop are nice - but can be
seen pretty quickly. There's a swimming pool. Other
than that, she'll have to get in a car and go touring.
There are a few small towns around - Mexican Hat, for
one. I forget how far it is to Moab. I'd suggest she
bring some good books and if she does handicrafts -
bring them.
>
> How big is the general flying area, in case I
> ever had to walk back? :-)
Farther than you can walk back unless you're a strong
hiker and are carrying lots and lots of water. You
definitely don't want to be walking in the desert once
the sun comes up - not in mid-late May.
>
> Unrelated but does any one know if flying near
> the hoodoos at Bryce Canyon is legal?
Yes - but they appreciate it if you don't fly low over
the hoodoos.
Arty Trost
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
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