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1. 04:56 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Bourne)
2. 06:15 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (robert bean)
3. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (DAquaNut@aol.com)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: just flying (Vic Peters)
5. 07:49 AM - Re: just flying (Larry Cottrell)
6. 08:11 AM - Re: just flying (John Hauck)
7. 08:39 AM - 582 w/oil injection (boyd)
8. 09:52 AM - MicroTim altimeter (Thom Riddle)
9. 09:52 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Paul Petty)
10. 10:04 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
11. 10:44 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (John Hauck)
12. 10:46 AM - Re: just flying (pat ladd)
13. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (WillUribe@aol.com)
14. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Cottrell)
15. 11:22 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Denny Rowe)
16. 11:25 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Denny Rowe)
17. 11:34 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Denny Rowe)
18. 11:37 AM - Re: just flying (Vic Peters)
19. 11:47 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (JetPilot)
20. 12:03 PM - MZ202 (N27SB@aol.com)
21. 12:47 PM - Re: just flying (Robert Laird)
22. 01:13 PM - Re: just flying (Kolbdriver)
23. 01:19 PM - Re: 582 w/oil injection (Richard Pike)
24. 01:29 PM - Rotax Pull Starter Problem (beauford)
25. 01:52 PM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (Beauford T)
26. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dana Hague)
27. 02:22 PM - Re: Firestar lift struts (Don G)
28. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Bourne)
29. 04:30 PM - Re: MZ202 (WillUribe@AOL.COM)
30. 05:48 PM - Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem (Terry)
31. 05:52 PM - Re: MZ202 (David Key)
32. 05:54 PM - Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem (DAquaNut@aol.com)
33. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (herbgh@juno.com)
34. 06:56 PM - Re: MZ202 (N27SB@aol.com)
35. 07:12 PM - Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem (Beauford T)
36. 07:29 PM - Re: 582 w/oil injection (Jim Kmet)
37. 07:49 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
38. 07:53 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
39. 08:04 PM - Re: 582 w/oil injection (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
My new job is pretty intense, Ed, and when I do get time off I head for the
hills. In the evenings I'm beat and read a book or doze till bedtime.
Saving my pennies for a new engine, too, tho' I haven't made final choice
yet. Will you be at MV this year ??
Lar. Do not Archive.
On 4/24/07, DAquaNut@aol.com <DAquaNut@aol.com> wrote:
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> Lar,
>
> Whats the hold up with vamoose. I forget. Havent heard much as of late.
> Wonder if You trailered her up to Oshkosh, If some of the Young Eagles could
> get her going for you.
>
> Ed FF 62 Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Dave, I watched both videos at the mosquito site. Interesting.
Betcha autorotations in that little bugger will be a real thrill.
I think I would spend a big hunk of time in the hover box before I
got out of ground effect the first time.
Still aroused some old desires though.
BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
In a message dated 4/25/2007 6:56:53 AM Central Standard Time,
biglar@gogittum.com writes:
> Will you be at MV this year ?? Lar. Do
> not Archive.
>
Lar,
We would love to make MV, but we havent made Oshkosh in several years
and decided on Oshkosh since we cant make both. Maybe next year. Maybe you
will be flyin by then. It could happen ya know!
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Larry are those pictures taken in Oregon? Wicked cool as they say up
heyah! I always think of a lifetime of labor put into those buildings.
Vic
Maine
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Yes they are. The country here in South Eastern Oregon was settled by
the Basque peoples of Spain. A very hardy and genuine tough bunch of men
and women. Since there are no trees here and plenty of flat rocks the
choice of building materials is fairly obvious. The thing that surprised
me about the location of this "ranch" was that there was no year around
water. It was placed in a small drainage of "Rattlesnake Creek", which
is seasonal. ( none here now) There was evidence of a hand dug well,
although the surface water would likely be a bit alkaline. The grazing
is also marginal as well. Here all the ranches and population are
located around the water, No real reason to locate any where else. This
one had none of the things around it that I associated with a reason to
build there. The floor was dirt as well. One of the things that you find
at these places is 5 gal tins that held kerosene, and of course the
obligatory tobacco tins. It was abandoned long enough ago that no
evidence of a road leading up to it could be seen from the Firestar. I
had to drive the quad down the old stream bed and cut across country to
get there. The Firestar is showing me things that I could never find in
the rest of my lifetime of bumping across the ground. The terrain here
gives the appearance of being flat, but there are little crevices and
small canyons that most of these things are tucked into away from the
wind.
Larry,Oregon
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----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Peters
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying
Larry are those pictures taken in Oregon? Wicked cool as they say up
heyah! I always think of a lifetime of labor put into those buildings.
Vic
Maine
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Yes they are. The country here in South Eastern Oregon was settled by
the Basque peoples of Spain.
Larry,Oregon
Larry:
John W and I found a nice abandoned settlement south of the Alvord,
complete with the main cabin and out buildings. Had been abandoned
for some time. No roof or wooden structure remaining with the stone
work.
I get to see a lot of old farms and ranches during my flights around
the country. Always sad that I can not hear the history of these old
places.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | 582 w/oil injection |
Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection. With
everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine with the
electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get some oil
movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine crankcase where
the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the
engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at different throttle
settings. Everything else ablout the installation looks great & "by the
book". Thanks, Jim Kmet
MK-3C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If in doubt mix some oil in the gas... at the proper ratio... then after
20 to 30 min look at the level in the oil res,,,, if it has not moved go
back to the drawing board,,, if it has gone down drain the premix, check
the plugs and filer up. The oil feeds slow enough you may not see it move
with only the electric starter. Somewhere I remember that doubling the oil
for the first tank is good for the break in period...
Boyd
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| Subject: | MicroTim altimeter |
Our Kollsman window has quit reading properly and we are looking for alternatives
to replacing it or overhauling it since it still works other than the incorrect
Kollsman window reading.
Does anyone have any experience with the electronic altimeter from MicroTim? www.microtim.com
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Lar,
No i ment Larry C. Most of his post are blank. Seems that others get them because
they reply. I use the BBS Forum
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Well if he wants a Firestar I have one for sale thats tuffer in buffys nuts
I just didnt think it was ok to just barge in the list shooting down the Kolb
line of Planes
Sorry for Jumping the Gun on anyone
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
down the Kolb
| line of Planes
Gang:
That's what I like. Someone who isn't afraid to stand up for our
Kolbs.
Way to go.
Of course, I will get eye ball to eye ball with "Skeeter" when we meet
up at MV next month.
john h
mkIII
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Always sad that I can not hear the history of these old places.>>
Depends on your perspective John. Those places are not old. When visiting
Houston I was taken to see (I think) The Bishops House which was, shock
horror, a 100 years old. I was living in a house older than that at the
time.
Hells Bells the Romans only left England about last Wednesday.
See you at MV.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Hi Larry,
Have you looked at the MZ301 engine? I kinda like the MZ202 for my FireStar.
Check it out;
_http://www.compactradialengines.com/engines.html_
(http://www.compactradialengines.com/engines.html)
I just received confirmation I will be working in Waterloo, IA during the MV
flying. You all have fun for me.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes
My new job is pretty intense, Ed, and when I do get time off I head for the
hills. In the evenings I'm beat and read a book or doze till bedtime.
Saving my pennies for a new engine, too, tho' I haven't made final choice yet.
Will you be at MV this year ?? Lar. Do
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty@myway.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes
>
> Lar,
>
> No i ment Larry C. Most of his post are blank. Seems that others get them
> because they reply. I use the BBS Forum
>
> do not archive
Not sure what happens, but sometime John H's post do not show up for me and
I have to go to the BB to see them. I only use the forum rather than the BB,
I am sure that sometimes they do not mesh as they should. Its probably a
plot of some sort.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
> Of course, I will get eye ball to eye ball with "Skeeter" when we meet
> up at MV next month.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> John,
> Somehow I have Dave pictured as a little taller than that. ;-)
I agree with you on the way Ellery stood up for the Brand though, good man.
Denny
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Well if he wants a Firestar I have one for sale thats tuffer in buffys
nuts
I just didnt think it was ok to just barge in the list shooting down
the Kolb line of Planes
Sorry for Jumping the Gun on anyone
Ellery
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No apology required Ellery, I loved every minute of it.
Denny
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
Well if he wants a Firestar I have one for sale thats tuffer in buffys
nuts
I just didnt think it was ok to just barge in the list shooting down
the Kolb line of Planes
Sorry for Jumping the Gun on anyone
Ellery
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Ellery,
Send me some pics, I'll forward them to a friend.
Denny
rowedenny@windstream.net
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Sure looks like the south west. I never expected to see that type of
terain
in Oregon.
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
[quote="rowedenny(at)windstream.n"]
>
>
>
> I just didnt think it was ok to just barge in the list shooting down the Kolb
line of Planes Sorry for Jumping the Gun on anyone
>
> Ellery
> do not archive
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Hahahaha,
I thought it was funny ! After all, thinking how long it took to fold 650 pounds
of paper into a MK III makes me with I had used aluminum and fabric covering...
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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In a message dated 4/25/2007 2:20:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
WillUribe@aol.com writes:
Hi Larry,
Have you looked at the MZ301 engine? I kinda like the MZ202 for my FireStar.
Check it out;
Will,
Looks interesting, anyone using one of these
steve
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Well, those of us that live in Houston (actually, the Bishops Palace is in
Galveston, but I'll play along) measure stuff by percentages.... i.e., the
Bishops Palace is 100 years old, and the city is about 171 years old, so,
that makes it 58% of the age of the city... so, by that measure, let's see,
the Romans left England in about, what, 450AD, so, since Rome got started
about 753BC, that would put the Romans leaving England at only about 37%....
so, by that measure, the Bishops Palace is WAY older than the Romans leaving
England! ;-) ya know, percentage-wise... :-)
-- Robert
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On 4/25/07, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Always sad that I can not hear the history of these old places.>>
>
> Depends on your perspective John. Those places are not old. When visiting
> Houston I was taken to see (I think) The Bishops House which was, shock
> horror, a 100 years old. I was living in a house older than that at the
> time.
>
> Hells Bells the Romans only left England about last Wednesday.
>
> See you at MV.
>
> Cheers
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
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Robert.
That's my axiom! Numbers don't lie, but I can make them say whatever I
want.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying
Well, those of us that live in Houston (actually, the Bishops Palace is in
Galveston, but I'll play along) measure stuff by percentages.... i.e., the
Bishops Palace is 100 years old, and the city is about 171 years old, so,
that makes it 58% of the age of the city... so, by that measure, let's see,
the Romans left England in about, what, 450AD, so, since Rome got started
about 753BC, that would put the Romans leaving England at only about 37%....
so, by that measure, the Bishops Palace is WAY older than the Romans leaving
England! ;-) ya know, percentage-wise... :-)
-- Robert
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On 4/25/07, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
<mailto:pj.ladd@btinternet.com> >
Always sad that I can not hear the history of these old places.>>
Depends on your perspective John. Those places are not old. When visiting
Houston I was taken to see (I think) The Bishops House which was, shock
horror, a 100 years old. I was living in a house older than that at the
time.
Hells Bells the Romans only left England about last Wednesday.
See you at MV.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: 582 w/oil injection |
If you run it at part throttle with premix AND also pull the oil pump cable
to max, you can see the air bubbles pulsing through the oil line as the pump
sucks them out.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection
>
> Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection. With
> everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine with
> the
> electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get some oil
> movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine crankcase
> where
> the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the
> engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at different throttle
> settings. Everything else ablout the installation looks great & "by the
> book". Thanks, Jim Kmet
> MK-3C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> If in doubt mix some oil in the gas... at the proper ratio... then
> after
> 20 to 30 min look at the level in the oil res,,,, if it has not moved go
> back to the drawing board,,, if it has gone down drain the premix, check
> the plugs and filer up. The oil feeds slow enough you may not see it
> move
> with only the electric starter. Somewhere I remember that doubling the
> oil
> for the first tank is good for the break in period...
>
> Boyd
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax Pull Starter Problem |
Per the DAR who inspected some airplanes here yesterday, there is a serious problem
with some 2-stroke rope starters... The weld which holds the starter axle
to the stamped steel starter housing breaks loose. This allows the recoil mechanism
to float around in the housing, where it eventually gets off center enough
to make contact with the flywheel assembly, resulting in all manner of bad
outcomes up to and including sudden stoppage, trashing of the engine, loss
of the aircraft, etc.. The minimum to be expected is a significant amount of expensive
damage to the starter and flywheel.
Points he made:
- inspect the shaft... if it turns when rope is pulled, do not run it or fly it.
- Starter can have a broken weld and still work just fine to start engine.
- If oil injection is installed, end of shaft cannot be seen because it is behind
the injection unit. (remove unit to inspect)
- Inspect frequently... like every preflight.
Mine, on my 447, is already broken...I was lucky... I will re-weld it and reinforce
the weak area... I also looked at a 503 on another Kolb... it was not yet
broken, but the weld had been ground down to make it "pretty" and it did not
look strong. We are going to reinforce that one, too.
See attached picture...
Worth what ye paid fer it...
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 447 longevity |
Ed:
Whichever oil you use, if you start noticing any extra carbon, my advice
is not to wait... pull that little choke piston out of the Bing and
inspect the rubber in the bottom of it to make sure it is still
seating... I now change that piston every year just because of the
prior carbon problems experienced due to deterioration of that rubber in
the base.
Also, speaking of Rotax longevity, the DAR who was here yesterday
inspecting airplanes pointed out a serious problem with the Rotax rope
starters... can cost a man an engine, possibly even his airplane, with
no warning... Mine was broken and I didn't even realize it... There
is an item about it , with a photo, posted on the Kolb Forum.
Worth what ye paid fer it...
Beauford
Firefly 076
Brandon, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: DAquaNut@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rotax 447 longevity
Guys,
Im trying to make a decision. Your input will help me make the right
one. Has any one ran a 447 to 100 hours without a decarbon using
pennzoil? Has anyone had a 447 fail due to carbon under the rings
before reaching 100 hours while using Pennzoil air cooled exclusively?
PLEASE, No oil war! If you have experience That falls in either of
these categories, I would like to have your imput, otherwise please dont
respond. Thanks in advance.
Ed Diebel (FF 62)
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At 02:08 PM 4/25/2007, WillUribe@aol.com wrote:
>Hi Larry,
>Have you looked at the MZ301 engine? I kinda like the MZ202 for my FireStar.
>Check it out;
><http://www.compactradialengines.com/engines.html>http://www.compactradialengines.com/engines.html
>
Oh boy... THREE carbs to sync??? :)
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Herb,
((Do you recall the major and minor axis for the streamlined tubing? I
am guessing that they buy it from Mary Carlson.. She has the dies for
two sizes..Herb ))
No I dont recall the sizes I am afraid, I bought it from Wicks, and if I recall
they told me it was the same size that CGS uses on the Hawk.
Probably 3 inchs or so major....but I will measure it next time I get to the hangar
for you.
Steve....the drag reduction you get is pretty significant. And you might consider
a smaller size in steel streamlined tubeing, Could work even better. I Believe
John Hawk told me once he used that on a Firestar with good results. In fact,
As I remember, I got the Idea from him, and after I talked to Dennis Souder
about the reasons for the dual struts in the first place. I had heard that
it was for part 103 compliance and I didnt really believe that, So I called Dennis
and he explained the whole deal to me.
Considering you are hauling around those Pontoon logs, It oughtta help!!
I can tell you this, My FireFly is heavy, and my TOW sometimes is 550lbs and even
at that weight, it will do 90mph WOT with a 2 blade 60 inch IVO set at 6250
static and 6450 WOT inflight. Cruises at a solid 75 around 5600
Naturally thats not all due to the struts, but the combination of struts, ducktail
and enclosure of the cage all around.
I had wheelpants on it for awhile, but they didnt seem to help it anymore. And
when I put Hydraulic brakes on it with bigger tires, I took them off..(wouldnt
fit anymore) didnt seem to notice a speed reduction. Obviously I dont fly it
that fast very often. But when the need arises to show off, It does a good job
of it.
Last summer, I was leaving a fly-in and took off behind an L-2 and a Luscombe.
They were traveling together. I kinda got in that show off mood, and about 5 miles
out from the airfeild, I caught up and passed them. The guy in the Luscombe
joined in and flew with me for a few miles, but the guy in the L2 was left
in the dust! After a while, the guy in the Luscombe called a goodbye on the radio
and went back to find his partner, who was long outta sight, but not out of
radio range. He kept asking the Luscombe pilot...IS that a damn ultralight
up there?????
They talk about that RV grin...but that day I had a Kolb smile that lasted a long,
long time!
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FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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Riiiiiiiiight ! ! !
On 4/25/07, DAquaNut@aol.com <DAquaNut@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/25/2007 6:56:53 AM Central Standard Time,
> biglar@gogittum.com writes:
>
>
> Will you be at MV this year ?? Lar. Do
> not Archive.
>
>
> Lar,
>
> We would love to make MV, but we havent made Oshkosh in several
> years and decided on Oshkosh since we cant make both. Maybe next year.
> Maybe you will be flyin by then. It could happen ya know!
>
> Ed
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Hi Steve,
It is standard equipment on the Mosquito XE helicopter.
_http://www.innovator.mosquito.net.nz/mbbs2/_
(http://www.innovator.mosquito.net.nz/mbbs2/)
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N27SB@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: MZ202
In a message dated 4/25/2007 2:20:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
WillUribe@aol.com writes:
Hi Larry,
Have you looked at the MZ301 engine? I kinda like the MZ202 for my FireStar.
Check it out;
Will,
Looks interesting, anyone using one of these
steve
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem |
beauford wrote:
>
>Per the DAR who inspected some airplanes here yesterday, there is a serious problem
with some 2-stroke rope starters... The weld which holds the starter axle
to the stamped steel starter housing breaks loose. This allows the recoil
mechanism to float around in the housing, where it eventually gets off center
enough to make contact with the flywheel assembly, resulting in all manner of
bad outcomes up to and including sudden stoppage, trashing of the engine, loss
of the aircraft, etc.. The minimum to be expected is a significant amount of
expensive damage to the starter and flywheel.
>
>Points he made:
> - inspect the shaft... if it turns when rope is pulled, do not run it or fly
it.
> - Starter can have a broken weld and still work just fine to start engine.
> - If oil injection is installed, end of shaft cannot be seen because it is behind
the injection unit. (remove unit to inspect)
> - Inspect frequently... like every preflight.
>
>Mine, on my 447, is already broken...I was lucky... I will re-weld it and reinforce
the weak area... I also looked at a 503 on another Kolb... it was not
yet broken, but the weld had been ground down to make it "pretty" and it did not
look strong. We are going to reinforce that one, too.
>
>See attached picture...
>Worth what ye paid fer it...
>
>Beauford
>FF-076
>Brandon, FL
>
>
>
Beauford,
I too had the shaft break loose from the housing on my 447 last year.
Lucky I have a friend ( Wilmer) who is our local 2 cycle guru and looks
after us. He pointed it out to me and I had it welded by a pro with Tig
so as to not over heat the spring inside. Holding up fine since. Now
have 646 hr.'s on it and still running strong. He has put 735 hr.'s on
his 503 in 2 1/2 yr.'s with no problems.
Hope the rest of you listen to Beauford and check your starter box
especially if you have lots of hr.'s on it. It's easy to miss it. I did.
Terry - FireFly #95
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I watched about 10 videos and I noticed that the pilots don't go much higher
than 3 feet, is there a good reason for that?
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem |
In a message dated 4/25/2007 3:30:50 PM Central Standard Time,
beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
>
> Mine, on my 447, is already broken...I was lucky... I will re-weld it and
> reinforce the weak area... I also looked at a 503 on another Kolb... it was
> not yet broken, but the weld had been ground down to make it "pretty" and it
> did not look strong. We are going to reinforce that one, too.
>
> See attached picture...
> Worth what ye paid fer it...
>
> Beauford
> FF-076
> Brandon, FL
>
> Bill,
> Thanks fo the info. How do you propose to beef if up Is there a way to
weld it on the inside also?
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar lift struts |
Don
Thanks... I will going by the Kolb factory next week.. Keep delaying !
:-) Hope to get some tubing and such.. Better email Travis ! Herb
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:22:05 -0700 "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
writes:
>
> Herb,
>
> ((Do you recall the major and minor axis for the streamlined tubing?
> I
> am guessing that they buy it from Mary Carlson.. She has the dies
> for
> two sizes..Herb ))
>
> No I dont recall the sizes I am afraid, I bought it from Wicks, and
> if I recall they told me it was the same size that CGS uses on the
> Hawk.
> Probably 3 inchs or so major....but I will measure it next time I
> get to the hangar for you.
>
>
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Will,
The 2cyl version is interesting because it has a claimed weight of 84 lbs
and includes a gear reduction with a clutch plus a starter. That's only 2 lbs
more than Rotax claims for the 447.
My biggest concern is the fact that it uses a Reed Valve.
It certainly is worth looking into. I saw the little chopper fly at Osh 2
years ago and it was impressive. Their booth was next to Kolb's.
steve b
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem |
Bill,
Thanks fo the info. How do you propose to beef if up
Is there a way to weld it on the inside also?
Ed
Ed:
Not completely sure how to fix it until I get time to take it apart and
study it from both sides...Just looking at it, I can imagine at the very
least welding about a 30 or 35 mm steel washer over the outside... more
on that later.
Luckily I have an extra 447, so was able to just slap the starter unit
from that one on there for the inspection... It is interesting, the
other "parts" engine is older than the one on the plane by many
thousands of serial numbers, but the older starter unit looks a lot
beefier... no hole in the middle and a reinforcing disc about the size
of a quarter welded on the outside of the cover where the axle mates on
the inside... They must have had some reason to change it, but
strengthening it does not appear to be that reason...
The DAR painted a rather grim picture of what is reported to have
happened on those occasions when that steel axle breaks free of the
weld, pops out of that shallow little hole and gets jammed sideways in
the flywheel... He said they have all been warned about it and told to
look for broken starter welds as an inspection priority... it was the
first thing he went for when he walked up to the airplane... He had my
undivided attention.
Beauford
FF 076
Brandon FL
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To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax Pull Starter Problem
In a message dated 4/25/2007 3:30:50 PM Central Standard Time,
beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
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| Subject: | Re: 582 w/oil injection |
Thanks, I ran it for a few min today with the premix, didn`t have time to
run it very long, just enough to bring up temps, & the oil has started to
fill the lines, evrything looks like it will be OK, thanks to everyone for
the help. Also, Richard, how far away from TRI are you & your plane? I`m
in there about Once a month lately, thought I might give you a call. I`m at
SRB
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection
>
> If you run it at part throttle with premix AND also pull the oil pump
> cable to max, you can see the air bubbles pulsing through the oil line as
> the pump sucks them out.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:39 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection
>
>
>>
>> Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection. With
>> everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine with
>> the
>> electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get some oil
>> movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine crankcase
>> where
>> the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the
>> engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at different throttle
>> settings. Everything else ablout the installation looks great & "by the
>> book". Thanks, Jim Kmet
>> MK-3C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> If in doubt mix some oil in the gas... at the proper ratio... then
>> after
>> 20 to 30 min look at the level in the oil res,,,, if it has not moved go
>> back to the drawing board,,, if it has gone down drain the premix, check
>> the plugs and filer up. The oil feeds slow enough you may not see it
>> move
>> with only the electric starter. Somewhere I remember that doubling the
>> oil
>> for the first tank is good for the break in period...
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
I have it listed on Barnstormers also you can get more info there but if
theres anything else you would like to know about it let me know it has a new
engine on it and I am flying it as much as posible so the time on it is not
5.5 hrs now its 11.2 hrs
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
I didnt mean to post that to the list
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 582 w/oil injection |
3TN0, about 4.5 miles north of TRI, about a ten minute drive.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/3TN0
Call me next time your at TRI.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection
>
> Thanks, I ran it for a few min today with the premix, didn`t have time to
> run it very long, just enough to bring up temps, & the oil has started to
> fill the lines, evrything looks like it will be OK, thanks to everyone for
> the help. Also, Richard, how far away from TRI are you & your plane?
> I`m in there about Once a month lately, thought I might give you a call.
> I`m at SRB
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection
>
>
>>
>> If you run it at part throttle with premix AND also pull the oil pump
>> cable to max, you can see the air bubbles pulsing through the oil line as
>> the pump sucks them out.
>>
>> Richard Pike
>> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:39 AM
>> Subject: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection.
>>> With
>>> everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine with
>>> the
>>> electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get some oil
>>> movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine crankcase
>>> where
>>> the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the
>>> engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at different throttle
>>> settings. Everything else ablout the installation looks great & "by the
>>> book". Thanks, Jim Kmet
>>> MK-3C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> If in doubt mix some oil in the gas... at the proper ratio... then
>>> after
>>> 20 to 30 min look at the level in the oil res,,,, if it has not moved
>>> go
>>> back to the drawing board,,, if it has gone down drain the premix,
>>> check
>>> the plugs and filer up. The oil feeds slow enough you may not see it
>>> move
>>> with only the electric starter. Somewhere I remember that doubling the
>>> oil
>>> for the first tank is good for the break in period...
>>>
>>> Boyd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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