---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/25/07: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Bourne) 2. 06:15 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (robert bean) 3. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (DAquaNut@aol.com) 4. 06:47 AM - Re: just flying (Vic Peters) 5. 07:49 AM - Re: just flying (Larry Cottrell) 6. 08:11 AM - Re: just flying (John Hauck) 7. 08:39 AM - 582 w/oil injection (boyd) 8. 09:52 AM - MicroTim altimeter (Thom Riddle) 9. 09:52 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Paul Petty) 10. 10:04 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 11. 10:44 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (John Hauck) 12. 10:46 AM - Re: just flying (pat ladd) 13. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (WillUribe@aol.com) 14. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Cottrell) 15. 11:22 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Denny Rowe) 16. 11:25 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Denny Rowe) 17. 11:34 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Denny Rowe) 18. 11:37 AM - Re: just flying (Vic Peters) 19. 11:47 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (JetPilot) 20. 12:03 PM - MZ202 (N27SB@aol.com) 21. 12:47 PM - Re: just flying (Robert Laird) 22. 01:13 PM - Re: just flying (Kolbdriver) 23. 01:19 PM - Re: 582 w/oil injection (Richard Pike) 24. 01:29 PM - Rotax Pull Starter Problem (beauford) 25. 01:52 PM - Re: rotax 447 longevity (Beauford T) 26. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dana Hague) 27. 02:22 PM - Re: Firestar lift struts (Don G) 28. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Larry Bourne) 29. 04:30 PM - Re: MZ202 (WillUribe@AOL.COM) 30. 05:48 PM - Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem (Terry) 31. 05:52 PM - Re: MZ202 (David Key) 32. 05:54 PM - Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem (DAquaNut@aol.com) 33. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Firestar lift struts (herbgh@juno.com) 34. 06:56 PM - Re: MZ202 (N27SB@aol.com) 35. 07:12 PM - Re: Rotax Pull Starter Problem (Beauford T) 36. 07:29 PM - Re: 582 w/oil injection (Jim Kmet) 37. 07:49 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 38. 07:53 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 39. 08:04 PM - Re: 582 w/oil injection (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:20 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes My new job is pretty intense, Ed, and when I do get time off I head for the hills. In the evenings I'm beat and read a book or doze till bedtime. Saving my pennies for a new engine, too, tho' I haven't made final choice yet. Will you be at MV this year ?? Lar. Do not Archive. On 4/24/07, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote: > > Lar, > > Whats the hold up with vamoose. I forget. Havent heard much as of late. > Wonder if You trailered her up to Oshkosh, If some of the Young Eagles could > get her going for you. > > Ed FF 62 Do Not Archive > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:39 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes Dave, I watched both videos at the mosquito site. Interesting. Betcha autorotations in that little bugger will be a real thrill. I think I would spend a big hunk of time in the hover box before I got out of ground effect the first time. Still aroused some old desires though. BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:52 AM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes In a message dated 4/25/2007 6:56:53 AM Central Standard Time, biglar@gogittum.com writes: > Will you be at MV this year ?? Lar. Do > not Archive. > Lar, We would love to make MV, but we havent made Oshkosh in several years and decided on Oshkosh since we cant make both. Maybe next year. Maybe you will be flyin by then. It could happen ya know! Ed


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See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:57 AM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying Larry are those pictures taken in Oregon? Wicked cool as they say up heyah! I always think of a lifetime of labor put into those buildings. Vic Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:53 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying Yes they are. The country here in South Eastern Oregon was settled by the Basque peoples of Spain. A very hardy and genuine tough bunch of men and women. Since there are no trees here and plenty of flat rocks the choice of building materials is fairly obvious. The thing that surprised me about the location of this "ranch" was that there was no year around water. It was placed in a small drainage of "Rattlesnake Creek", which is seasonal. ( none here now) There was evidence of a hand dug well, although the surface water would likely be a bit alkaline. The grazing is also marginal as well. Here all the ranches and population are located around the water, No real reason to locate any where else. This one had none of the things around it that I associated with a reason to build there. The floor was dirt as well. One of the things that you find at these places is 5 gal tins that held kerosene, and of course the obligatory tobacco tins. It was abandoned long enough ago that no evidence of a road leading up to it could be seen from the Firestar. I had to drive the quad down the old stream bed and cut across country to get there. The Firestar is showing me things that I could never find in the rest of my lifetime of bumping across the ground. The terrain here gives the appearance of being flat, but there are little crevices and small canyons that most of these things are tucked into away from the wind. Larry,Oregon do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Peters To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying Larry are those pictures taken in Oregon? Wicked cool as they say up heyah! I always think of a lifetime of labor put into those buildings. Vic Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:46 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying Yes they are. The country here in South Eastern Oregon was settled by the Basque peoples of Spain. Larry,Oregon Larry: John W and I found a nice abandoned settlement south of the Alvord, complete with the main cabin and out buildings. Had been abandoned for some time. No roof or wooden structure remaining with the stone work. I get to see a lot of old farms and ranches during my flights around the country. Always sad that I can not hear the history of these old places. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:45 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection. With everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine with the electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get some oil movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine crankcase where the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at different throttle settings. Everything else ablout the installation looks great & "by the book". Thanks, Jim Kmet MK-3C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If in doubt mix some oil in the gas... at the proper ratio... then after 20 to 30 min look at the level in the oil res,,,, if it has not moved go back to the drawing board,,, if it has gone down drain the premix, check the plugs and filer up. The oil feeds slow enough you may not see it move with only the electric starter. Somewhere I remember that doubling the oil for the first tank is good for the break in period... Boyd ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:48 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: MicroTim altimeter From: "Thom Riddle" Our Kollsman window has quit reading properly and we are looking for alternatives to replacing it or overhauling it since it still works other than the incorrect Kollsman window reading. Does anyone have any experience with the electronic altimeter from MicroTim? www.microtim.com Thom in Buffalo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109190#109190 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes From: "Paul Petty" Lar, No i ment Larry C. Most of his post are blank. Seems that others get them because they reply. I use the BBS Forum do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109191#109191 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:39 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes Well if he wants a Firestar I have one for sale thats tuffer in buffys nuts I just didnt think it was ok to just barge in the list shooting down the Kolb line of Planes Sorry for Jumping the Gun on anyone Ellery do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:13 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes down the Kolb | line of Planes Gang: That's what I like. Someone who isn't afraid to stand up for our Kolbs. Way to go. Of course, I will get eye ball to eye ball with "Skeeter" when we meet up at MV next month. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:41 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying Always sad that I can not hear the history of these old places.>> Depends on your perspective John. Those places are not old. When visiting Houston I was taken to see (I think) The Bishops House which was, shock horror, a 100 years old. I was living in a house older than that at the time. Hells Bells the Romans only left England about last Wednesday. See you at MV. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:02 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes Hi Larry, Have you looked at the MZ301 engine? I kinda like the MZ202 for my FireStar. Check it out; _http://www.compactradialengines.com/engines.html_ (http://www.compactradialengines.com/engines.html) I just received confirmation I will be working in Waterloo, IA during the MV flying. You all have fun for me. Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II N4GU El Paso, TX From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes My new job is pretty intense, Ed, and when I do get time off I head for the hills. In the evenings I'm beat and read a book or doze till bedtime. Saving my pennies for a new engine, too, tho' I haven't made final choice yet. Will you be at MV this year ?? Lar. Do not Archive. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:53 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes > > Lar, > > No i ment Larry C. Most of his post are blank. Seems that others get them > because they reply. I use the BBS Forum > > do not archive Not sure what happens, but sometime John H's post do not show up for me and I have to go to the BB to see them. I only use the forum rather than the BB, I am sure that sometimes they do not mesh as they should. Its probably a plot of some sort. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:57 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes > Of course, I will get eye ball to eye ball with "Skeeter" when we meet > up at MV next month. > > john h > mkIII > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > John, > Somehow I have Dave pictured as a little taller than that. ;-) I agree with you on the way Ellery stood up for the Brand though, good man. Denny ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:35 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes Well if he wants a Firestar I have one for sale thats tuffer in buffys nuts I just didnt think it was ok to just barge in the list shooting down the Kolb line of Planes Sorry for Jumping the Gun on anyone Ellery do not archive No apology required Ellery, I loved every minute of it. Denny ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:05 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes Well if he wants a Firestar I have one for sale thats tuffer in buffys nuts I just didnt think it was ok to just barge in the list shooting down the Kolb line of Planes Sorry for Jumping the Gun on anyone Ellery do not archive Ellery, Send me some pics, I'll forward them to a friend. Denny rowedenny@windstream.net ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:11 AM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying Sure looks like the south west. I never expected to see that type of terain in Oregon. Vic do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes From: "JetPilot" [quote="rowedenny(at)windstream.n"] > > > > I just didnt think it was ok to just barge in the list shooting down the Kolb line of Planes Sorry for Jumping the Gun on anyone > > Ellery > do not archive > > > Hahahaha, I thought it was funny ! After all, thinking how long it took to fold 650 pounds of paper into a MK III makes me with I had used aluminum and fabric covering... Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109224#109224 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:00 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: MZ202 In a message dated 4/25/2007 2:20:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WillUribe@aol.com writes: Hi Larry, Have you looked at the MZ301 engine? I kinda like the MZ202 for my FireStar. Check it out; Will, Looks interesting, anyone using one of these steve ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:44 PM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying Well, those of us that live in Houston (actually, the Bishops Palace is in Galveston, but I'll play along) measure stuff by percentages.... i.e., the Bishops Palace is 100 years old, and the city is about 171 years old, so, that makes it 58% of the age of the city... so, by that measure, let's see, the Romans left England in about, what, 450AD, so, since Rome got started about 753BC, that would put the Romans leaving England at only about 37%.... so, by that measure, the Bishops Palace is WAY older than the Romans leaving England! ;-) ya know, percentage-wise... :-) -- Robert DO NOT ARCHIVE ... EVER! On 4/25/07, pat ladd wrote: > > > Always sad that I can not hear the history of these old places.>> > > Depends on your perspective John. Those places are not old. When visiting > Houston I was taken to see (I think) The Bishops House which was, shock > horror, a 100 years old. I was living in a house older than that at the > time. > > Hells Bells the Romans only left England about last Wednesday. > > See you at MV. > > Cheers > Pat > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:09 PM PST US From: "Kolbdriver" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: just flying Robert. That's my axiom! Numbers don't lie, but I can make them say whatever I want. Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying Well, those of us that live in Houston (actually, the Bishops Palace is in Galveston, but I'll play along) measure stuff by percentages.... i.e., the Bishops Palace is 100 years old, and the city is about 171 years old, so, that makes it 58% of the age of the city... so, by that measure, let's see, the Romans left England in about, what, 450AD, so, since Rome got started about 753BC, that would put the Romans leaving England at only about 37%.... so, by that measure, the Bishops Palace is WAY older than the Romans leaving England! ;-) ya know, percentage-wise... :-) -- Robert DO NOT ARCHIVE ... EVER! On 4/25/07, pat ladd wrote: > Always sad that I can not hear the history of these old places.>> Depends on your perspective John. Those places are not old. When visiting Houston I was taken to see (I think) The Bishops House which was, shock horror, a 100 years old. I was living in a house older than that at the time. Hells Bells the Romans only left England about last Wednesday. See you at MV. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:36 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection If you run it at part throttle with premix AND also pull the oil pump cable to max, you can see the air bubbles pulsing through the oil line as the pump sucks them out. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "boyd" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection > > Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection. With > everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine with > the > electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get some oil > movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine crankcase > where > the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the > engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at different throttle > settings. Everything else ablout the installation looks great & "by the > book". Thanks, Jim Kmet > MK-3C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > If in doubt mix some oil in the gas... at the proper ratio... then > after > 20 to 30 min look at the level in the oil res,,,, if it has not moved go > back to the drawing board,,, if it has gone down drain the premix, check > the plugs and filer up. The oil feeds slow enough you may not see it > move > with only the electric starter. Somewhere I remember that doubling the > oil > for the first tank is good for the break in period... > > Boyd > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax Pull Starter Problem From: "beauford" Per the DAR who inspected some airplanes here yesterday, there is a serious problem with some 2-stroke rope starters... The weld which holds the starter axle to the stamped steel starter housing breaks loose. This allows the recoil mechanism to float around in the housing, where it eventually gets off center enough to make contact with the flywheel assembly, resulting in all manner of bad outcomes up to and including sudden stoppage, trashing of the engine, loss of the aircraft, etc.. The minimum to be expected is a significant amount of expensive damage to the starter and flywheel. Points he made: - inspect the shaft... if it turns when rope is pulled, do not run it or fly it. - Starter can have a broken weld and still work just fine to start engine. - If oil injection is installed, end of shaft cannot be seen because it is behind the injection unit. (remove unit to inspect) - Inspect frequently... like every preflight. Mine, on my 447, is already broken...I was lucky... I will re-weld it and reinforce the weak area... I also looked at a 503 on another Kolb... it was not yet broken, but the weld had been ground down to make it "pretty" and it did not look strong. We are going to reinforce that one, too. See attached picture... Worth what ye paid fer it... Beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109244#109244 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/starter_3_956.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/starter_3_102.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:09 PM PST US From: "Beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rotax 447 longevity Ed: Whichever oil you use, if you start noticing any extra carbon, my advice is not to wait... pull that little choke piston out of the Bing and inspect the rubber in the bottom of it to make sure it is still seating... I now change that piston every year just because of the prior carbon problems experienced due to deterioration of that rubber in the base. Also, speaking of Rotax longevity, the DAR who was here yesterday inspecting airplanes pointed out a serious problem with the Rotax rope starters... can cost a man an engine, possibly even his airplane, with no warning... Mine was broken and I didn't even realize it... There is an item about it , with a photo, posted on the Kolb Forum. Worth what ye paid fer it... Beauford Firefly 076 Brandon, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rotax 447 longevity Guys, Im trying to make a decision. Your input will help me make the right one. Has any one ran a 447 to 100 hours without a decarbon using pennzoil? Has anyone had a 447 fail due to carbon under the rings before reaching 100 hours while using Pennzoil air cooled exclusively? PLEASE, No oil war! If you have experience That falls in either of these categories, I would like to have your imput, otherwise please dont respond. Thanks in advance. Ed Diebel (FF 62) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:36 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes At 02:08 PM 4/25/2007, WillUribe@aol.com wrote: >Hi Larry, >Have you looked at the MZ301 engine? I kinda like the MZ202 for my FireStar. >Check it out; >http://www.compactradialengines.com/engines.html > Oh boy... THREE carbs to sync??? :) -Dana do not archive -- -- My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar lift struts From: "Don G" Herb, ((Do you recall the major and minor axis for the streamlined tubing? I am guessing that they buy it from Mary Carlson.. She has the dies for two sizes..Herb )) No I dont recall the sizes I am afraid, I bought it from Wicks, and if I recall they told me it was the same size that CGS uses on the Hawk. Probably 3 inchs or so major....but I will measure it next time I get to the hangar for you. Steve....the drag reduction you get is pretty significant. And you might consider a smaller size in steel streamlined tubeing, Could work even better. I Believe John Hawk told me once he used that on a Firestar with good results. In fact, As I remember, I got the Idea from him, and after I talked to Dennis Souder about the reasons for the dual struts in the first place. I had heard that it was for part 103 compliance and I didnt really believe that, So I called Dennis and he explained the whole deal to me. Considering you are hauling around those Pontoon logs, It oughtta help!! I can tell you this, My FireFly is heavy, and my TOW sometimes is 550lbs and even at that weight, it will do 90mph WOT with a 2 blade 60 inch IVO set at 6250 static and 6450 WOT inflight. Cruises at a solid 75 around 5600 Naturally thats not all due to the struts, but the combination of struts, ducktail and enclosure of the cage all around. I had wheelpants on it for awhile, but they didnt seem to help it anymore. And when I put Hydraulic brakes on it with bigger tires, I took them off..(wouldnt fit anymore) didnt seem to notice a speed reduction. Obviously I dont fly it that fast very often. But when the need arises to show off, It does a good job of it. Last summer, I was leaving a fly-in and took off behind an L-2 and a Luscombe. They were traveling together. I kinda got in that show off mood, and about 5 miles out from the airfeild, I caught up and passed them. The guy in the Luscombe joined in and flew with me for a few miles, but the guy in the L2 was left in the dust! After a while, the guy in the Luscombe called a goodbye on the radio and went back to find his partner, who was long outta sight, but not out of radio range. He kept asking the Luscombe pilot...IS that a damn ultralight up there????? They talk about that RV grin...but that day I had a Kolb smile that lasted a long, long time! -------- Don G FireFly#098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109254#109254 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:46 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes Riiiiiiiiight ! ! ! On 4/25/07, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/25/2007 6:56:53 AM Central Standard Time, > biglar@gogittum.com writes: > > > Will you be at MV this year ?? Lar. Do > not Archive. > > > Lar, > > We would love to make MV, but we havent made Oshkosh in several > years and decided on Oshkosh since we cant make both. Maybe next year. > Maybe you will be flyin by then. It could happen ya know! > > Ed > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:14 PM PST US From: WillUribe@AOL.COM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MZ202 Hi Steve, It is standard equipment on the Mosquito XE helicopter. _http://www.innovator.mosquito.net.nz/mbbs2/_ (http://www.innovator.mosquito.net.nz/mbbs2/) From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N27SB@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: MZ202 In a message dated 4/25/2007 2:20:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WillUribe@aol.com writes: Hi Larry, Have you looked at the MZ301 engine? I kinda like the MZ202 for my FireStar. Check it out; Will, Looks interesting, anyone using one of these steve ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:18 PM PST US From: Terry Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax Pull Starter Problem beauford wrote: > >Per the DAR who inspected some airplanes here yesterday, there is a serious problem with some 2-stroke rope starters... The weld which holds the starter axle to the stamped steel starter housing breaks loose. This allows the recoil mechanism to float around in the housing, where it eventually gets off center enough to make contact with the flywheel assembly, resulting in all manner of bad outcomes up to and including sudden stoppage, trashing of the engine, loss of the aircraft, etc.. The minimum to be expected is a significant amount of expensive damage to the starter and flywheel. > >Points he made: > - inspect the shaft... if it turns when rope is pulled, do not run it or fly it. > - Starter can have a broken weld and still work just fine to start engine. > - If oil injection is installed, end of shaft cannot be seen because it is behind the injection unit. (remove unit to inspect) > - Inspect frequently... like every preflight. > >Mine, on my 447, is already broken...I was lucky... I will re-weld it and reinforce the weak area... I also looked at a 503 on another Kolb... it was not yet broken, but the weld had been ground down to make it "pretty" and it did not look strong. We are going to reinforce that one, too. > >See attached picture... >Worth what ye paid fer it... > >Beauford >FF-076 >Brandon, FL > > > Beauford, I too had the shaft break loose from the housing on my 447 last year. Lucky I have a friend ( Wilmer) who is our local 2 cycle guru and looks after us. He pointed it out to me and I had it welded by a pro with Tig so as to not over heat the spring inside. Holding up fine since. Now have 646 hr.'s on it and still running strong. He has put 735 hr.'s on his 503 in 2 1/2 yr.'s with no problems. Hope the rest of you listen to Beauford and check your starter box especially if you have lots of hr.'s on it. It's easy to miss it. I did. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:12 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MZ202 I watched about 10 videos and I noticed that the pilots don't go much higher than 3 feet, is there a good reason for that? ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:16 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax Pull Starter Problem In a message dated 4/25/2007 3:30:50 PM Central Standard Time, beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > Mine, on my 447, is already broken...I was lucky... I will re-weld it and > reinforce the weak area... I also looked at a 503 on another Kolb... it was > not yet broken, but the weld had been ground down to make it "pretty" and it > did not look strong. We are going to reinforce that one, too. > > See attached picture... > Worth what ye paid fer it... > > Beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, FL > > Bill, > Thanks fo the info. How do you propose to beef if up Is there a way to weld it on the inside also? Ed


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See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar lift struts From: herbgh@juno.com Don Thanks... I will going by the Kolb factory next week.. Keep delaying ! :-) Hope to get some tubing and such.. Better email Travis ! Herb do not archive On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:22:05 -0700 "Don G" writes: > > Herb, > > ((Do you recall the major and minor axis for the streamlined tubing? > I > am guessing that they buy it from Mary Carlson.. She has the dies > for > two sizes..Herb )) > > No I dont recall the sizes I am afraid, I bought it from Wicks, and > if I recall they told me it was the same size that CGS uses on the > Hawk. > Probably 3 inchs or so major....but I will measure it next time I > get to the hangar for you. > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:57 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MZ202 Will, The 2cyl version is interesting because it has a claimed weight of 84 lbs and includes a gear reduction with a clutch plus a starter. That's only 2 lbs more than Rotax claims for the 447. My biggest concern is the fact that it uses a Reed Valve. It certainly is worth looking into. I saw the little chopper fly at Osh 2 years ago and it was impressive. Their booth was next to Kolb's. steve b ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:26 PM PST US From: "Beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax Pull Starter Problem Bill, Thanks fo the info. How do you propose to beef if up Is there a way to weld it on the inside also? Ed Ed: Not completely sure how to fix it until I get time to take it apart and study it from both sides...Just looking at it, I can imagine at the very least welding about a 30 or 35 mm steel washer over the outside... more on that later. Luckily I have an extra 447, so was able to just slap the starter unit from that one on there for the inspection... It is interesting, the other "parts" engine is older than the one on the plane by many thousands of serial numbers, but the older starter unit looks a lot beefier... no hole in the middle and a reinforcing disc about the size of a quarter welded on the outside of the cover where the axle mates on the inside... They must have had some reason to change it, but strengthening it does not appear to be that reason... The DAR painted a rather grim picture of what is reported to have happened on those occasions when that steel axle breaks free of the weld, pops out of that shallow little hole and gets jammed sideways in the flywheel... He said they have all been warned about it and told to look for broken starter welds as an inspection priority... it was the first thing he went for when he walked up to the airplane... He had my undivided attention. Beauford FF 076 Brandon FL ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax Pull Starter Problem In a message dated 4/25/2007 3:30:50 PM Central Standard Time, beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:54 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection Thanks, I ran it for a few min today with the premix, didn`t have time to run it very long, just enough to bring up temps, & the oil has started to fill the lines, evrything looks like it will be OK, thanks to everyone for the help. Also, Richard, how far away from TRI are you & your plane? I`m in there about Once a month lately, thought I might give you a call. I`m at SRB Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection > > If you run it at part throttle with premix AND also pull the oil pump > cable to max, you can see the air bubbles pulsing through the oil line as > the pump sucks them out. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "boyd" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:39 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection > > >> >> Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection. With >> everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine with >> the >> electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get some oil >> movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine crankcase >> where >> the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the >> engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at different throttle >> settings. Everything else ablout the installation looks great & "by the >> book". Thanks, Jim Kmet >> MK-3C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> If in doubt mix some oil in the gas... at the proper ratio... then >> after >> 20 to 30 min look at the level in the oil res,,,, if it has not moved go >> back to the drawing board,,, if it has gone down drain the premix, check >> the plugs and filer up. The oil feeds slow enough you may not see it >> move >> with only the electric starter. Somewhere I remember that doubling the >> oil >> for the first tank is good for the break in period... >> >> Boyd >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:44 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes I have it listed on Barnstormers also you can get more info there but if theres anything else you would like to know about it let me know it has a new engine on it and I am flying it as much as posible so the time on it is not 5.5 hrs now its 11.2 hrs Ellery ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:31 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flimsy Little Planes I didnt mean to post that to the list Do not archive Ellery ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:35 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection 3TN0, about 4.5 miles north of TRI, about a ten minute drive. http://www.airnav.com/airport/3TN0 Call me next time your at TRI. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kmet" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection > > Thanks, I ran it for a few min today with the premix, didn`t have time to > run it very long, just enough to bring up temps, & the oil has started to > fill the lines, evrything looks like it will be OK, thanks to everyone for > the help. Also, Richard, how far away from TRI are you & your plane? > I`m in there about Once a month lately, thought I might give you a call. > I`m at SRB > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Pike" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection > > >> >> If you run it at part throttle with premix AND also pull the oil pump >> cable to max, you can see the air bubbles pulsing through the oil line as >> the pump sucks them out. >> >> Richard Pike >> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "boyd" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:39 AM >> Subject: Kolb-List: 582 w/oil injection >> >> >>> >>> Hi all, I`m about to fire up a newly overhualed 582 w/oil injection. >>> With >>> everything set up PER rotax sevice manual, when I crank the engine with >>> the >>> electric starter, but with no gas available, shouldn`t I get some oil >>> movement in the lines between the oil injector & the engine crankcase >>> where >>> the oil line attaches to engine? I`m hesitant to put gas in & run the >>> engine with no visible oil movement while cranking at different throttle >>> settings. Everything else ablout the installation looks great & "by the >>> book". Thanks, Jim Kmet >>> MK-3C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> If in doubt mix some oil in the gas... at the proper ratio... then >>> after >>> 20 to 30 min look at the level in the oil res,,,, if it has not moved >>> go >>> back to the drawing board,,, if it has gone down drain the premix, >>> check >>> the plugs and filer up. The oil feeds slow enough you may not see it >>> move >>> with only the electric starter. Somewhere I remember that doubling the >>> oil >>> for the first tank is good for the break in period... >>> >>> Boyd >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.