---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/26/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:52 AM - Re: just flying (pat ladd) 2. 03:53 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dave Rains) 3. 04:03 AM - Re: MZ202 (Dave Rains) 4. 04:09 AM - Re: MicroTim altimeter (Dave Rains) 5. 04:38 AM - Fw: A Pilot's View (pat ladd) 6. 04:54 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 7. 05:26 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dave Rains) 8. 07:01 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty) 9. 07:06 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty) 10. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 11. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (flykolb) 12. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (Bob Noyer) 13. 03:28 PM - Sorry, OFF topic - BUT A new East coast Hang Glider Record was set today... (knowvne@aol.com) 14. 03:54 PM - Re: Sorry, OFF topic - BUT A new East coast Hang Glider Record was set today... (Bob Noyer) 15. 04:20 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dave Rains) 16. 04:47 PM - Re: Sorry, OFF topic - BUT A new East coast Hang Glider Record was set today... (John Hauck) 17. 06:16 PM - GPS and flying in the wind (Steven Green) 18. 06:31 PM - Re: GPS and flying in the wind (Don G) 19. 06:36 PM - Re: Fw: A Pilot's View (Ed Chmielewski) 20. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Flimsy Little paper Planes (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 21. 07:08 PM - Re: Fw: A Pilot's View..dup. (Bob Noyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:58 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: just flying ya know, percentage-wise... :->> Hi Robert, very neat..arguement-wise. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes From: "Dave Rains" Hey Ellery, why does living on the far side of the country preclude you from making Monument Valley? I read some where that others have flown there toy planes from sea to shining sea [Shocked] Take John's advice and get some Wal Mart bags to line your leading edge and you should be just fine! Selling yur plane??? That you will regret....... Looking forward to "looking you in the eye" John, I keep a sharp stick in my pocket. Skeeter N8086T MV rabble rouser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109320#109320 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MZ202 From: "Dave Rains" "I watched about 10 videos and I noticed that the pilots don't go much higher than 3 feet, is there a good reason for that"? Yeah, playing for the the crowd and cammera. In some places their area for demostration is limited, and leaving the area requires clearence. There are many other videos available on the web site, some showing forward flight. Skeeter N8086T[/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109322#109322 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MicroTim altimeter From: "Dave Rains" If you have a standard altimeter you can adjust the setting. If you have never done it before, I recommend an A&P show you, as doing it incorrectly can lead to damage. Skeeter do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109324#109324 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:17 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: A Pilot's View ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Fw: A Pilot's View Hi All, not Kolb but definitely flying. This from my mate Bud who used to be flight engineer in the New Zealand Air Force on Hastings and then Hercs. We became diving buddies when he waa seconded to the RAF at a local airfield here in the UK. Pat. You will enjoy this one Pat. We used to do a different approach into strips in Viet Nam, from 20,000 plus straight down in what was called a 'jet penetration', and then pull a short landing. Really exciting!! Bud. C-130 Pilot's Description of Approach into Baghdad This is a funny story particularly if you lust over mixed metaphors. This is from a colorful writer from the 3rd Marine Air Wing based at MCAS Miramar: There I was at six thousand feet over central Iraq, two hundred eighty knots and we're dropping faster than Paris Hilton's panties. It's a typical September evening in the Persian Gulf; hotter than a rectal thermometer and I'm sweating like a priest at a Cub Scout meeting. But that's neither here nor there. The night is moonless over Baghdad tonight, and blacker than a Steven King novel. But its 2006, folks, and I'm sporting the latest in night-combat technology - namely, hand-me-down night vision goggles (NVGs) thrown out by the fighter boys. Additionally, my 1962 Lockheed C-130E Hercules is equipped with an obsolete, yet, semi-effective missile warning system (MWS). The MWS conveniently makes a nice soothing tone in your headset just before the missile explodes into your airplane. Who says you can't polish a turd? At any rate, the NVGs are illuminating Baghdad International Airport like the Las Vegas Strip during a Mike Tyson fight. These NVGs are the cat's ass. But I've digressed. The preferred method of approach tonight is the random shallow. This tactical maneuver allows the pilot to ingress the landing zone in an unpredictable manner, thus exploiting the supposedly secured perimeter of the airfield in an attempt to avoid enemy surface-to-air-missiles and small arms fire. Personally, I wouldn't bet my pink ass on that theory but the approach is fun as hell and that's the real reason we fly it. We get a visual on the runway at three miles out, drop down to one thousand feet above the ground, still maintaining two hundred eighty knots. Now the fun starts. It' s pilot appreciation time as I descend the mighty Herc to six hundred feet and smoothly, yet very deliberately, yank into a sixty degree left bank turning the aircraft ninety degrees offset from runway heading. As soon as we roll out of the turn, I reverse turn to the right a full two hundred seventy degrees in order to roll out aligned with the runway. Some aeronautical genius coined this maneuver the "Ninety/Two-Seventy." Chopping the power during the turn, I pull back on the yoke just to the point my nether regions start to sag, bleeding off energy in order to configure the pig for landing. "Flaps Fifty! landing Gear Down!, Before Landing Checklist!" I look over at the copilot and he's shaking like a cat shitting on a sheet of ice. Looking further back at the navigator, and even through the Nags, I can clearly see the wet spot spreading around his crotch. Finally, I glance at my steely eyed flight engineer. His eyebrows rise in unison as a grin forms on his face. I can tell he's thinking the same thing I am .... "Where do we find such fine young men?" "Flaps One Hundred!" I bark at the shaking cat. Now it's all aim-point and airspeed. Aviation 101, with the exception there are no lights, I'm on NVGs its Baghdad, and now tracers are starting to crisscross the black sky. Naturally, and not at all surprisingly, I grease the Goodyear's on brick-one of runway 33 left, bring the throttles to ground idle and then force the props to full reverse pitch. Tonight, the sound of freedom is my four Hamilton Standard propellers chewing through the thick, putrid, Baghdad air. The huge, one hundred forty-thousand pound, lumbering whisper pig comes to a lurching stop in less than two thousand feet. Let's see a Viper do that! We exit the runway to a welcoming committee of government issued Army grunts It's time to download their beans and bullets and letters from their sweethearts, look for war booty, and of course, urinate on Saddam 's home. Walking down the crew entry steps with my lowest-bidder, Beretta 92F, 9 millimeter strapped smartly to my side, look around and thank God, not Allah I'm an American and I'm on the winning team. Then I thank God I'm not in the Army. Knowing once again I've cheated death, I ask myself, "What in the hell am I doing in this mess?" Is it Duty, Honor, and Country? You bet your ass. Or could it possibly be for the glory, the swag, and not to mention, chicks dig the Air Medal. There's probably some truth there too. But now is not the time to derive the complexities of the superior, cerebral properties of the human portion of the aviator-man-machine model. It is however, time to get out of this hole. Hey copilot how's 'bout the 'Before Starting Engines Checklist." God, I love this job! Semper Fidelis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- 24/04/2007 17:43 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:33 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes In a message dated 4/26/2007 6:54:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RangeFlyer72@yahoo.com writes: > why does living on the far side of the country preclude you from making > Monument Valley? Well I am far from Retiring and the Kolb wont get me there and back fast enough, I cant take a long time off to do the trip I have to many other planes to build (Thats All I do now ) one flying thing after another nearest Airport to me is ( 1BO ) you figure the trip Ellery In Maine do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes From: "Dave Rains" Yeah Ellery, work sucks sometimes. I wanted to make sun&fun, but no time. When Will and I flew to Oregon and back, I had taken 30 days vacation to do it, just in case. Perhaps you could plan for next year, trailer the Kolb, or..... I plan to do a factory build on the Mosquito sometime in late August, they are located in Florida. I would sure like to see your projects, and perhaps give you a chance at retribution. Skeeter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109339#109339 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "Paul Petty" Gang, Made some more progress last night. Way cool to peel the paper off the lexan! http://groups.msn.com/AerialWorld/kolbra012.msnw?Page=7 do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109355#109355 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update From: "Paul Petty" whoops sorry try this link http://groups.msn.com/AerialWorld/kolbra012.msnw?Page=5 do not archive -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109357#109357 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:20 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes Well just for starters I am building a Highlander new Kit , Rebuilding a Challenger 2 that got blown over last fall just finishing a T-Bird 2, and a T-Bird 1, a SkyLight U/L just to sell, a Sky Ranger kit for a customer a Ridge Runner just a HKS engine install electricle and Paint on that , and a wooden Cub for my self to sell and hopefully sell the firestar and with enuff cash to get me into a two Place Kolb kit with a hundred ponys to propell her so Yah I am kind of busy but I am waiting for paint to dry on the challenger wings and that is almost finished Ellery ONR FLYING THING AFTER ANOTHER do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:41 PM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update Aren't you supposed to peel the lexan off the paper? '"Kolbs, and it's like made out of paper or something" (:-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update > > Gang, > > Made some more progress last night. Way cool to peel the paper off the lexan! > > http://groups.msn.com/AerialWorld/kolbra012.msnw?Page=7 > > do not archive > > -------- > Paul Petty > Kolbra #12 > Ms Dixie > Final assembly! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109355#109355 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:00 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ms Dixie update Gnaw, the paper is fer Instrument flying! regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:43 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Sorry, OFF topic - BUT A new East coast Hang Glider Record was set today... From: knowvne@aol.com Hi All I just learned that 2 flex wing HangGlider pilots just Broke the east coast cross country record of 218 miles and were still in the air attempting to break the current Rigid Wing record of 234 miles... Flexi and Rigids are both Hanggliders... A Flexi is usually made of Alum (Tubes some times Carbon) and is controlled by Weight shift ... A Rigid wing is made of Carbon fiber D cells and is much stiffer .... It's controlled by Spoilers on it's wings Upper surface...... A Rigids L/D is about 5 points better than the Best Topless Flex wings being produced... But that Gap is closing... 8-) The two are shooting for at least 300 miles but even if they reach that the World record will still held by Mike Barber who flew over 400 miles (434 I think) in TEXAS.... The two were Towed up from Quest flight park in Clearmont FL Just NW of Orlando and last report t were past Jessup GA with cloud base around 7,000 ft and a cloud street going to the horizon... Will report their final distance once the day shuts down.... BTW that 7,000 foot cloud base equates to about a 20 mile glide Not counting the Tail wind.. 8-) AND if the Cloud street is really working the two could be hitting speeds over 60 miles per hour... Stay tuned... Mark Vaughn ________________________________________________________________________ from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:01 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sorry, OFF topic - BUT A new East coast Hang Glider Record was set today... archived? regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little Planes From: "Dave Rains" Ah, the Highlander. Very nice design! Putting a 912S in it? Should make a very nice bush plane. I spent considerable time looking at their design at Copperstate last year, what I saw was impressive. Is the kit well made? Any surprises? Seriously, all work and no play should be avoided. I considered building a Kolbra, but decided I wanted to try something new. I can't afford more than two aircraft at a time, and didn't want two fixed wing. Sure caught a lot of crooks with the Kolb though....... Skeeter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109440#109440 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:04 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sorry, OFF topic - BUT A new East coast Hang Glider Record was set today... | I just learned that 2 flex wing HangGlider pilots just Broke the east | coast cross country record of 218 miles and were still in the air | attempting to break the current Rigid Wing record of 234 miles... Mark V: That is great!!! However, I think you posted to the wrong List. This is the Kolb List. john h mkIII (With big motor, noisy, and flies somewhat faster than hang gliders.) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:52 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Kolb-List: GPS and flying in the wind I started putting the route from MMI to Monument Valley in my trusty old Garmin 89 and discovered it wasn't so trusty now. Seems it has lost about a half dozen more horizonal lines on the display, enough that it is hard to enter the identifiers. I am interested in a Garmin 96 or a used 196 if anyone has one for sale. Contact me off list please. I flew for about 1.5 hours Monday with 20 kt winds at 1000' AGL. The wind was hitting the mountain here at about 30 degrees creating a very efficient flight if you needed to go North. The power setting was giving about 65 kts straight and level out over the valley until I started running the ridge. I was then getting 80 kts indicated and 100kts on the GPS with ROC = 0. I spotted a yellow Vagabond below me playing on the ridge as well, I think it was Sara who manages the Chilhowee Gliderport. do not archive Steven Green Mark III ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: GPS and flying in the wind From: "Don G" Steven, I bought my Garmin 196 used on ebay last year for 500 bucks...go check there. And BTW....after useing it on the first flight, I would have paid double if I had known what it would do, and how easy it is to use. -------- Don G FireFly#098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109453#109453 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:33 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: A Pilot's View Pat, Your bud is quite prolific. Seems that piece has been posted elsewhere on the internet. Ed in JXN Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: pat ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: A Pilot's View ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud To: pj.ladd@btopenworld.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Fw: A Pilot's View Hi All, not Kolb but definitely flying. This from my mate Bud who used to be flight engineer in the New Zealand Air Force on Hastings and then Hercs. We became diving buddies when he waa seconded to the RAF at a local airfield here in the UK. Pat ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:02 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flimsy Little paper Planes I went to the highlander factory in south caroliner last month there working on another change for it different wing airfoil if it works out they will be giving a choice of the wings to put on em I have been flying behind the 912S on the highlander it's a preformer and I will be installing the same engine on the one I am building for the Dealer in my area I hope he keeps me busy building the highlanders so I can get me a Bigger Kolb (this makes it Kolb Related :o) PS: I still like the Kolbs better do not archive Ellery ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:55 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: A Pilot's View..dup. Yer correct, Ed...pull up http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/ thread.cfm?forum=1&threadid=336344&MESSAGES=5&FF=CMT and read it again! For other C-130 tales...http://newsday.typepad.com/news_jay/ regards, Bob N. 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