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1. 12:23 AM - Re: GPS failure (icrashrc)
2. 12:56 AM - Re: GPS failure (Ed Chmielewski)
3. 01:01 AM - Re: GPS and new technologies (Ed Chmielewski)
4. 02:53 AM - Re: GPS failure (pat ladd)
5. 03:01 AM - Re: GPS failure (pat ladd)
6. 05:15 AM - thanks Arty (Arksey@aol.com)
7. 05:57 AM - Re: GPS failure ()
8. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: GPS failure (Mike Welch)
9. 06:55 AM - Re: GPS failure (Vic Peters)
10. 06:59 AM - Re: GPS failure (russ kinne)
11. 09:44 AM - Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
12. 09:57 AM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
13. 01:43 PM - Nose ART (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
14. 02:10 PM - Re: Nose ART (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
15. 02:49 PM - Re: First flight (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
16. 03:55 PM - Re: Flimsy Little Planes (Dave Rains)
17. 03:58 PM - Re: First flight (Dave Rains)
18. 04:31 PM - Re: First flight (Beauford T)
19. 05:43 PM - Re: Nose ART (chris davis)
20. 06:41 PM - Re: First flight (Ralph B)
21. 09:15 PM - Re: We Leave for MV tomorrow - via Texas (R. Hankins)
22. 09:27 PM - 8JulietBravo finally taxi tested and ready! (John Bickham)
23. 09:47 PM - Re: We Leave for MV tomorrow - via Texas (R. Hankins)
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Mike, it might betime for an upgrade!
I've seen my Garmin iQue 3600 keep a steady lock @ over 700 mph ground speed. I
doubt turbulence alone would make it lose track of where it was.
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> On my previous oration about the vitues of VOR's and GPS's, I mentioned I
> had a GPS failure that "skeered" me a little.
> To clarify things, it wasn't an electrical problem or anything like that,
> that caused the outage.
> It was tubulence!! A GPS's antenna cannot "hone" in on the required
> satelites if it is being shaken all over the place.
> While I was flying over the N California/Oregon moutains I came across
> some significant turbulence, but coverage was restored when the air settled
> down. I was on a long x/country flight and was at 8500' msl. I just kept
> pointing at a snow capped peak, that was off in the distance (150 miles
> away), that I was pointing at before I lost coverage. After a few minutes,
> things went back to normal.
> Mike Welch
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John/Mike/All,
Pretty rare nowadays to see any kind of significant outage in any
part of the U.S. due purely to lack of coverage. Occasionally, there are
system-wide disruptions due to the satellites' being purposely 'skewed' for
reasons known only to the 'skewer' (U.S. Gov't). One example bandied about
is during high 'threat' levels, so the sats can't be used against us.
I haven't seen any interruptions in the last 3-4 years, heavily
using the system during that time.
Anyone following the (supposed) demise of LORAN will see why the VOR
system will be with us for many, many years. One major US airline up until
just a few years ago was still ordering its new Boeings with dual VOR's.
This despite everyone else having EFIS, FMS, GPS, INS, et al.
Have been using a Garmin 496 with XM weather lately. Highly
recommend it.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS failure
>
> Mike:
>
(Snip)
> However, there are certain areas in CONUS and Canada that are blanked
> out to GPS, and the GPS will come up with "Coverage Lost".
(Snip)
>
> john h
> mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: GPS and new technologies |
Hi Lar,
You're correct about having enough altitude when using VORs.
I've always found '10 miles per one thousand feet' works in the
flatlands, and higher for mountainous areas. It's that line-of sight
thing.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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From: Larry Bourne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS and new technologies
I learned to use the VOR system when I learned to fly in '94, and used
it for real when navigating a Cessna 172 from Port Angeles, WA to
Weippe, ID, (70 miles E of Lewiston, ID) a trip of close to 500 miles.
I found that the VOR's only work well when you're at altitude, and then
only the closer ones were dependable. I mostly flew at 1,000 - 2,500 ft
AGL on that trip, and *sometimes* the VOR worked, but I quickly learned
to listen VEry closely to the Morse Code identifier for each station.
There's only a limited number of frequencies available to them, and you
need to be very sure exactly which station you're tracking. My
girlfriend was with me, and I showed her how to use the system to help
keep her interested. (central and eastern WA state is booooring) I
think I still have that old sectional somewhere. It's got pencil lines
going every which way that she drew while trying to figure it out. What
Fun ! ! ! Lar.
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They were able to navigate beyond our| imigination, in conditions that would
seem impossible. >>
Hi,
Early fliers were all taught to navigate like that.
a local lady, the Honourable Mrs Victor Bruce, was an early flier. She had
a rich and indulgent husband and was into anything that went fast.
Racehorses, cars,motorbikes. She bought a DH Moth on a whim from a shop in
London which happened to have one in the window (can you believe it?) and
then bullied Tommy Sopwith in to teaching her to fly.
The first time she flew out of sight of the airfield she learned at she went
off on a tour of Europe. Shortly after that she flew round the world. All in
this litlle Moth.
I asked her how she corrected for drift and she told me that she had some
lines painted on the tail plane at various degrees and she just looked
behind her, lined up the marks with a tree or other prominent object and
then kicked the rudder in to compensate. She had many adventures, engine
failures etc., but as most of the world was pink on the map in those days
there always seemd to be an army garrison closeby wherever she went down.
There was one story of all the natives in the area being called in to stamp
the ground flat so that she could take off..
I believe that she was an ATA pilot during the war. In case you don`t know
the ATA, mostly women, flew replacement aircraft from the factories to the
squadrons during the war. Any weather,mainly non radio, unescorted and
unarmed. They flew all types from Spits and Hurri`s to Mosquitos and
Lancasters . A couple of weeks ago I flew into the field which was the ATA
HQ during the war. Apart from the graves of some girls who bought it in a
Mosquito there was also a pic of a girl who was checked out in every type
the RAF was flying at the time. Unsung heroines.
Cheers
Pat.
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What if it knocks out a couple of gps
satellites? How many gps satellites have to be destroyed to bring down the
system? >>
Jack,
If the balloon goes up the sats will be the first to go. They are sitting
ducks and everyone knows exactly where they are. They cannot be defended and
you could put one out of action with half a brick or a sharp stick.
Imagine that plus the EMP from an atomic explosion. World comms going out.
Radio, phones,e-mails, navigation systems. It would be like going back to a
horse drawn era.
Keep a slipstick and a pencil handy.
cheers
Pat
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Good report on your trip, send us more when you can Arty.
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Dear Ed et al:
I have experienced two GPS outtages in the last couple of years, both in the
same area near Peck MI. At a recent EAA chapter meeting, a spokesman from
FSS advised us to 'always' ask the briefer for any RAIM alerts, which are
areas and times when outtages are occurring or expected.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / N722KM
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS failure
<edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
> John/Mike/All,
>
> Pretty rare nowadays to see any kind of significant outage in any
> part of the U.S. due purely to lack of coverage.
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Scott,
I have already upgraded about a year ago. That situation happened about
3 years ago. My now new favorite toy is my Garmin 296. I really like, and
I am sure even the ability to get signals is significanyly improved. Where
I could only get 3-4 good satellites with the 95XL, I receive 5-7 strong
signals with the much improved 296.
Do not archive Mike in SW
Utah
From: "icrashrc" <icrashrc@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: GPS failure
>
>Mike, it might betime for an upgrade!
>I've seen my Garmin iQue 3600 keep a steady lock @ over 700 mph ground
>speed. I doubt turbulence alone would make it lose track of where it was.
>
>
>mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > On my previous oration about the vitues of VOR's and GPS's, I
>mentioned I
> > had a GPS failure that "skeered" me a little.
> > To clarify things, it wasn't an electrical problem or anything like
>that,
> > that caused the outage.
> > It was tubulence!! A GPS's antenna cannot "hone" in on the required
> > satelites if it is being shaken all over the place.
> > While I was flying over the N California/Oregon moutains I came
>across
> > some significant turbulence, but coverage was restored when the air
>settled
> > down. I was on a long x/country flight and was at 8500' msl. I just
>kept
> > pointing at a snow capped peak, that was off in the distance (150 miles
> > away), that I was pointing at before I lost coverage. After a few
>minutes,
> > things went back to normal.
> > Mike Welch
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Thats ok John , most of us suffer from dead reckoning.
Yesterday I couldn't recon where I put my 2" brush?
Vic
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IME roofs don't cause problems; wood, tarpaper, sheet metal
(sometimes), even fibreglass on boats. I think the water content is
the problem -- e.g, leaves, snow.
Russ K
On Apr 29, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> John Hauck wrote:
>> .
>> | Incidentally, I knew that GPS's won't "see" through heavy green
>> | leaves -- but I found out to my dismay that they won't penetrate
>> | heavy snow either.
>> | Russ Kinne
>> Russ:
>> Depends on the system. Some will and some won't. We had a cheap
>> Etrex localize inside the kitchen. Outside, my 196 will barely
>> obtain coverage because of the trees.
>> john h
>> mkIII
> And my neighbor's GRT EFIS will lock on inside his build-shop with
> a shingle roof & only a couple of very small windows.
>
> Charlie
> (I was surprised, too.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure |
John H. suggests: << Spend a buck and get a new cable. Why take a
chance on another failure. Your home soldered cable is not the first
failure I have heard about. john h >>
Thanks for the tip, John - I did exactly that.
I bought a replacement cable from the local bicycle shop ($5) with a
factory-pressed cable end. I had to file it down a bit so it would fit
in the little slot in the splitter slider. Have already test flown with
the new cable - all seems OK.
If I ever need to do this again, I will do it as Richard Pike suggests:
Fray the cable end that sticks out from the ferrule, then solder in a
big glop of solder into the frayed strands. THAT should keep it from
pulling out again!
Dennis Kirby
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
<< So, I like saw one these Kolbs, and it's like made out of paper or
something. I'm going to fly up to Monument valley the same week
as you girly men, and show you what a real plane can do. "Dave Rains"
>>
(This is known as tossing a grenade into the room and closing the door
behind you as you run off.)
Way to make new friends, Dave! Sorta like whacking the bee hive with a
stick.
Looking forward to seeing you again at MV this month.
Dennis Kirby
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Just got back to Michigan and installed some nose art on my MKIIIC.
Follow Kolb member Vic Peters made it for me. Note! the VW logo on her
tush. I told my wife it reminded me of her. Yes I'm still married but
she isn't happy. Wives..... go figure.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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Nice graphics VIC Wheres mine ?
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Rick
Congratulations. It a real special thing to fly a plane you built. Wow
doesn't seem like it was that long ago that you had just started that
build.
I installed the active noise reduction kit from Headsets
http://www.headsetsinc.com/ in my Sigtronics head sets five years ago.
They helped a bunch. I would think they have improved them since then
just like every one else.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Pearce
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight
Well I did it this morning committed aviation. Flew 55 min. Did
real good flew hands off at 5500rpm 65 mile per hour. Have to repitch
the prop (Power Fin). Had to back off full trottle on take off because
the EIS gave me a warning. Had to use some right aileron on the high
speed taxi's to keep that wing down. But as soon as I got in the air it
disapeared. Had a little cross wind to contend with. But it was from the
left. I'm now smoking my celbration stogy and drinking a cold one.:)
Hobbs is not working. Will defiantly have to get some sound
attenating head sets. Any one used one off the kits to convert a std.
head set to sound attenating? Could not hear the ground crew at higher
RPM's. Rick Pearce MK3C 912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Flimsy Little Planes |
This is known as tossing a grenade into the room and closing the door
behind you as you run off.)
Way to make new friends, Dave! Sorta like whacking the bee hive with a
stick.
Looking forward to seeing you again at MV this month.
Dennis Kirby
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Yeah Dennis, whacking the bee hive was my intention, I also took the opportunity
to make an arse of myself. Got to remind myself, don't drink and blog. Oh
well, they haven't killed me yet. I heard your flying on the 17th? Let me know
if there is anything I can do for you. I"m looking forward to seeing your
Kolb, perhaps I can bum a ride.
Regards,
Skeeter
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congratulations from a jelous Skeeter. Life won't be the same :D
Skeeter
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Good on you, Rick...
No way to put a price tag on that feeling... Congratulations, Sir...
Many happy hours to you.
Beauford
FF 076
Brandon, FL
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Pearce
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight
Well I did it this morning committed aviation. Flew 55 min. Did
real good flew hands off at 5500rpm 65 mile per hour. Have to repitch
the prop (Power Fin). Had to back off full trottle on take off because
the EIS gave me a warning. Had to use some right aileron on the high
speed taxi's to keep that wing down. But as soon as I got in the air it
disapeared. Had a little cross wind to contend with. But it was from the
left. I'm now smoking my celbration stogy and drinking a cold one.:)
Hobbs is not working. Will defiantly have to get some sound
attenating head sets. Any one used one off the kits to convert a std.
head set to sound attenating? Could not hear the ground crew at higher
RPM's. Rick Pearce MK3C 912ULS
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Rick , That is Awesome!!!!!!! you are a man I would like to know ! Chris Davis
----- Original Message ----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:40:26 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Nose ART
Just got back to Michigan and installed some nose art on my MKIIIC. Follow Kolb
member Vic Peters made it for me. Note! the VW logo on her tush. I told my wife
it reminded me of her. Yes I'm still married but she isn't happy. Wives.....
go figure.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congratulations Rick! The Kolbs last a long time. Ask me how I know this.
Ralph
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20 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: We Leave for MV tomorrow - via Texas |
I'll add a few pictures to the narrative above and a quick update. Arty, Larry
and Karen headed south and made it safely to Tonepah, NV. They will continue
on tomorrow.
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| Subject: | 8JulietBravo finally taxi tested and ready! |
Hello List,
After a thousand missed deadlines, and numerous other projects, I finally finished
the repairs and mods on my Mark IIIC.
Did several runs and taxi test this evening. Tomorrow the wife is going to help
me do a new W&B. Need to see how the changes will come out on the W&B.
Right now, I have her in a friend's hanger at Omni (LA46). While some of you guys
are off having a grand time at MV, I'll be starting to work on the structural
steel for my hangar. Gonna be hard to not fly and work on steel for a hangar.
Cutting grass in the morning, then off to the airport, for a W&B at various fuel
levels, and then first flight in a long time.
Short list of work done:
1) Bent, welded, and heat treated new 4130 landing gear.
2) New 21.5 gallon tank (Hauck Brothers Design)
3) New lower tail post supports (Hauck Idea).
4) Recovered cage with fabric and attached at each longeron to prevent fabric
drumming. (John Williamson technique). Did not do that the first time.
5) New instrument panel to accomodate new MicroAir transponder.
6) New seats that lift up for access to stuff that falls underneath (Hauck again).
I'll post some pictures of some of this stuff if anyone is interested.
Be careful, have fun.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
"Using my Repairman Certificate"
St. Francisville, LA
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| Subject: | Re: We Leave for MV tomorrow - via Texas |
Joe and I returned home today. In two days we covered 644miles in 11 hours flat.
On the return trip we had a strong headwind from Larry Cottrells place back
to Lakeview. Average ground speed for that 133.7 mile leg was 46mph! The rest
of the trip home was much better with only light headwinds and average ground
speeds of 62 on the next leg and 67mph on the home stretch. Ill attach a
few pics from the flight home.
This is the most I have ever asked my Firestar to do in two day and it did just
fine. I do think I will register it light sport and put in bigger fuel tanks
though. Big country calls for big gas tanks.
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