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1. 04:11 AM - Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH (Thom Riddle)
2. 04:19 AM - Re: Re: GPS failure (N27SB@aol.com)
3. 04:22 AM - Seaplane Base Hanger (N27SB@aol.com)
4. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH (David Lehman)
5. 10:25 AM - Re: Check out some boring video (Larry Cottrell)
6. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH (David Key)
7. 11:52 AM - Re: #3 Update 2007 Ultralight Flight to MV via Texas (Larry Cottrell)
8. 12:06 PM - Re: Firefly Landing speed (jimhefner)
9. 12:58 PM - Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH (Thom Riddle)
10. 03:10 PM - Monument Valley (Jon LaVasseur)
11. 03:55 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Bourne)
12. 05:10 PM - Monument Valley (boyd)
13. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Firefly Landing speed (Beauford T)
14. 06:16 PM - Fly-in to Homer's (Terry)
15. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH (David Lehman)
16. 06:48 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Ralph B)
17. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH (David Key)
18. 07:31 PM - Re: Firefly Landing speed (jimhefner)
19. 08:09 PM - Re: Fly-in to Homer's (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
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| Subject: | Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH |
dhkey,
Since a CFI must fly with the pilot taking the BFR he has the right (not obligation)
to inspect the required aircraft paperwork. The old ARrOW acronym is an
easy way to remember what paperwork is required to be legal.
A - Airworthiness certificate
R- Registration
r - Radio station license (no longer required)
O - Operator's manual (POH) for type certificated aircraft
-----or----- Operating limitations for experimental and LSAs
W - Weight and balance data
John W - You tend to be the best informed on regulations, please correct me if
I am wrong on this.
Thom in Buffalo
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Yup,
Real people behind those funny little squibles on the glowing screen,
BTW, How is your MKIIIx coming? Don't forget about the Homecoming in Sept.
It would be nice to see a pretty Yellow one there.
Steve
Firefly007
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| Subject: | Seaplane Base Hanger |
Well It doesn't look like much yet but this is the future home of FF007.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH |
Thom...
I'm not John W., but I know a little about this and you are correct...
The "O" may be a Pilot's Operating Handbook, or an aircraft flight manual,
depending on what the Type Certificate requires... You are also correct
that an experimental has Operating Limitations, attached to the
Airworthiness Certificate, instead...
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On 5/5/07, Thom Riddle <thomriddle@adelphia.net> wrote:
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>
> dhkey,
>
> Since a CFI must fly with the pilot taking the BFR he has the right (not
> obligation) to inspect the required aircraft paperwork. The old ARrOW
> acronym is an easy way to remember what paperwork is required to be legal.
>
> A - Airworthiness certificate
> R- Registration
> r - Radio station license (no longer required)
> O - Operator's manual (POH) for type certificated aircraft
> -----or----- Operating limitations for experimental and LSAs
> W - Weight and balance data
>
> John W - You tend to be the best informed on regulations, please correct
> me if I am wrong on this.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Check out some boring video |
>
>. I ought to send "Larry out west"?" my old
> system
> and let him shoot some stuff to entertain us. I'll ever convert it
> and load it on
> Goggle for him.
>
> Hi-8/VHS converted - "Old"
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177096133625180462&hl=en
>
> Digital "mostly"
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8558932262133094065&hl=en
>
So do you need my address???? I would even settle for information on your
new set up, it would save me the learning curve.
Larry, Oregon, currently in San Antonio.
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| Subject: | Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH |
Yea, it's the "O" I was having problems with. I think I'll just do it in a
172 or a 182 and keep it simple for everyone. I still need to address the
"O".
>From: "Thom Riddle" <thomriddle@adelphia.net>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH
>Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 04:10:39 -0700
>
>
>dhkey,
>
>Since a CFI must fly with the pilot taking the BFR he has the right (not
>obligation) to inspect the required aircraft paperwork. The old ARrOW
>acronym is an easy way to remember what paperwork is required to be legal.
>
>A - Airworthiness certificate
>R- Registration
>r - Radio station license (no longer required)
>O - Operator's manual (POH) for type certificated aircraft
>-----or----- Operating limitations for experimental and LSAs
>W - Weight and balance data
>
>John W - You tend to be the best informed on regulations, please correct me
>if I am wrong on this.
>
>Thom in Buffalo
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110954#110954
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: #3 Update 2007 Ultralight Flight to MV via Texas |
Hi all,
I am sure that Arty will up date you more on our trip, but I thought
that I would comment at least. The weather here in the west has been a
bit unsettled to say the least. Flying hasn't been a problem, landing
has been pretty interesting some times however. ;-) When we did the
weather breifing for our intended flight to El Paso, it quickly became
apparent that we should actually wait for a couple of days for the
weather to stabilize. The primary problem was the reduced ground speed,
as well as the amount of fuel used, and the possible problems of
getting out of San Antonio to make MV. Arty's primary goal was the
flight to Texas, mine was to visit a brother that had moved to the San
Antonio area. I asked her to give up the Texas portion of the flight so
that I could spend some time with my brother. She graciously agreed if
we could fly on to Las Cruces and then on to MV. If we had waited for
the weather to clear, my visit would have been a couple of days at the
best. So we tied our birds down at Casa Grande, and departed for San
Antonio at about 1230 driving straight through to arrive at my
brother's house at 0625 this morning. 17 hours and somewhere around 900
miles.
The planes have been just fantastic, No problems at all, other that
Arty's radio cord problems. (solved)For some reason my EIS values
changed on my fuel tanks. This caused me to run out of gas on the first
leg of our trip. It was a bit tense until I could decide that it had to
be a fuel problem as all my egt's and cht's were within range. The
restart was no problem, just need to return the throttle to idle and
pull the enrichner circuit. I was quite relieved to confirm that there
was nothing wrong with the motor. I had a good place to land, but who
needs to do that more than necessary.
My EIS has been a bit weird of late. I get a warning light and the
screen that shows up is the one for the screen contrast. Doesn't make
sense at all. All the other values are within range. I haven't been able
to contact the gal at EIS to see what she can tell me.
I did want to spend some time flying the dry river beds in Arizona, I
found afterward (Arty's radio out) that she was coming down to join me.
I was feeling guilty about screwing off like that and found that she was
disappointed that I pulled out of it.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Landing speed |
Beauford, I can't help but ask if you have a VSI in your FF? If so, what is your
climb rate (fpm) and sink rate when you are climbing at 60 and gliding at 60?
That seems faster than I remember.... I recall Vy was more like 45 and Vg
was roughly the same... I played around with the Vg using the VSI to make sure
I knew what the optimal glide speed was in case of an engine out and 45 was
it.
I wanted to clarify this with you so other FF owners don't get confused about what
Vy and Vg for the FF is.... I think you are just saying that is what you regularly
do, you're not saying that is Vy or Vg.... right? I assume your climb
rate at 60 is well below what it would be at Vy and your sink rate at 60 is
well above what it would be at Vg.
It's been a while since I flew the FF so I might be remembering something wrong...
if others see different numbers, please pitch-in. I did have VG's installed
but they didn't seem to affect these numbers much... only stall speed.
Thanks
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Kolbless in Tucson :(
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| Subject: | Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH |
dhkey,
How did you get an special/experimental airworthiness certificate without Operating
Limitations? I've never heard of one being issued without this. Did the inspector
drop the ball? If you do have the Op Limits, then that satisfies the
O part of ARrOW. You need a POH only if it is type certificated like Cessnas or
an Operators Manual if it is a factory built S-LSA.
Thom in Buffalo
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Hi Kolbers,
Looks like my plan to be a MV is working. I will
be trailering my Firestar from Minnesota.
Never met you guys or been to the valley, looking
forward to both.
If someone is still keeping a list of names
please add mine to the list.
Jon LaVasseur
firestar503@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
It's a good group and a terrific area, Jon. You should have a good
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On 5/5/07, Jon LaVasseur <firestar503@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> Looks like my plan to be a MV is working. I will
> be trailering my Firestar from Minnesota.
>
> Never met you guys or been to the valley, looking
> forward to both.
>
> If someone is still keeping a list of names
> please add mine to the list.
>
> Jon LaVasseur
> firestar503@yahoo.com
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Never met you guys or been to the valley, looking
forward to both.
If someone is still keeping a list of names
please add mine to the list.
Jon LaVasseur
firestar503@yahoo.com
Has anyone explained the initiation requirements for first timers to the
valley?
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Landing speed |
Jim:
You are correct, sir.... and I do have a VSI in the Kleenex Kolb.... So
named because of the marked similarity of its unpowered ballistic
characteristics to that of a wadded-up Kleenex.... Vg and Vy work out to
around 48 indicated for mine.... but I tend to wantonly squander ergs and
altitude around the 3K ft strip from which I fly, fully confident that the
machine will instantly decelerate from 60 to any value from 48 to near zero
with a flick of the elevator wrist if the Nazi noise behind my head were to
stop unannounced.... and who knows...? that extra 3 seconds to stuff the
Kolbisch schnozz toward dirt may be the money-in-the-bank a bankrupt geezer
needs to keep that last check from bouncing... I know from experience that,
in this airplane, with my flabby 208 lb butt in the seat, one can turn
high-key base at 700 feet looking down at the numbers from a 45 degree
angle, and still land comfortably within the first one-third of the
strip....in a stabilized manner without exceeding 60 indicated, and without
gymnastics beyond a moderate forward slip.... Why voluntarily fly 10 or12
mph slower on the approach when your machine is capable of such delevitation
and deceleration?... I mean... you're already UP there, right....? You
already bought the gas, annoyed the neighbors and made the 700 foot
investment...
You must realize that I operate airplanes in somewhat of a time warp.... I
engage in what I laughingly refer to as "flying" encumbered with a somewhat
paranoid philosophy based upon an ancient instructional edict which held
that an erstwhile aviator should always strive to preserve the luxury of
being able to (1) have a moment of quiet "quality" time to recognize and
relish the stillness of unexpected unpowered flight and an opportunity to
gracefully (no negative g's...)establish a glide, preferably prior to the
spin entry; and (2) be able to deposit at least most of the spent carcass of
the machine, upright, somewhere within the premises of the airfield if the
worst should happen anywhere in the pattern from crosswind leg on around....
Somehow, the concept of taking a few luxurious seconds to SLOW to Vg, makes
more sense to me than spending a much larger number of infinitely more
earnest seconds with my Addidas lifted off the floor trying to wish my way
back UP toVg and still make the field if the bugger packs up....they are
tons more playful just above Vg than they are 5 knots below it....and I
just hate that whistling noise they make....
I have experimented and measured the FireFly numbers, and they are
approximately as you state them to be... Rest assured that should I find
myself pressed to stretch a deadstick glide to get over that last lane of
interstate highway to make the Home Depot parking lot, you will find 48 will
indeed be the number reflecting in my glassy, but wide, eyeballs.... And
if the Rotax brothers should abruptly have a falling out and quit holding
Austrian hands as I am coaxing the reluctant machine over that dreaded fifty
foot takeoff obstacle, 48 shall be the number, and the value of the number
shall be 48....not 47, nor 49, but 48 shall be the mark upon which the
needle in my forehead will be discovered to have been imbedded....
Long story short... I can make 48 or 50 happen on the 'ol ASI if
required.... and I do when I come and go from short, marginal places... But
I feel that this draggy, short-winged little airplane warrants a habitual
cushion when engaged in normal operations out of average size strips...call
it professional courtesy...that extra 10 or 12 mph can be dumped in a flash
if one needs it to be... and it is by the time I cross the fence on
landing... but it's scratched on the side of the big Aviation Rock someplace
that you cannot spend what you don't have....that 'ol energy ratchet only
turns in one direction when it is really quiet outside..... kinda like "gas
for mama when headed over the Hump during monsoon season..." (naw, I ain't
that old...just leave it alone, Possum...).
This is too long-winded... just call me a speed-freak and be done with
it....
Worth what ye paid fer it...
Beauford
FF076
Brandon, FL
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly Landing speed
>
> Beauford, I can't help but ask if you have a VSI in your FF? If so, what
> is your climb rate (fpm) and sink rate when you are climbing at 60 and
> gliding at 60? That seems faster than I remember.... I recall Vy was more
> like 45 and Vg was roughly the same... I played around with the Vg using
> the VSI to make sure I knew what the optimal glide speed was in case of an
> engine out and 45 was it.
>
> I wanted to clarify this with you so other FF owners don't get confused
> about what Vy and Vg for the FF is.... I think you are just saying that is
> what you regularly do, you're not saying that is Vy or Vg.... right? I
> assume your climb rate at 60 is well below what it would be at Vy and your
> sink rate at 60 is well above what it would be at Vg.
>
> It's been a while since I flew the FF so I might be remembering something
> wrong... if others see different numbers, please pitch-in. I did have
> VG's installed but they didn't seem to affect these numbers much... only
> stall speed.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Jim Hefner
> Kolbless in Tucson :(
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111025#111025
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fly-in to Homer's |
Gentlemen,
Just a reminder to mark your calendars for June 16th. to fly to Homer
Kolb's farm for a homecoming get together. If you haven't been there
before, I know you will enjoy the hospitality and get a chance to see
Clara and Homer's beautiful farm where our aircraft where conceived and
manufactured. Also hanging in the barn are Homer's earliest creations
that got all this started. That is the Sat. of Fathers Day weekend.
There is an ultralight fly-in at Footlight Ranch in York County, PA also
known as Shreveport North, near Dillsburg that weekend for three days.
Some of us will be going and camping there Sat. night after the get
together at Homer's. A real good chance to meet many other ultralight
pilots and share information. Hope to see you there.
Will be giving out more information as we get closer to the date,
Terry - FireFly #95
Those that said they are coming so far: Add your name if it's not listed.
Gene Zimmerman
John Hauck
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Earl Zimmerman
Eddy Zimmerman
Luray Weachter
Steve Green
Ron - from Arizona?
Thom Riddle
Bob Bean
Chuck ?
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| Subject: | Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH |
Airworthiness certificates for Experimental, Restricted, Limited, etc. (not
Standard) prior to sometime in the '80s didn't have operating
limitations... The block on the airworthiness certificate that now
references the operating limitations used to only reference a FAR...
Apparently it made too much sense, so they changed it... ;-)
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On 5/5/07, Thom Riddle <thomriddle@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>
> dhkey,
>
> How did you get an special/experimental airworthiness certificate without
> Operating Limitations? I've never heard of one being issued without this.
> Did the inspector drop the ball? If you do have the Op Limits, then that
> satisfies the O part of ARrOW. You need a POH only if it is type
> certificated like Cessnas or an Operators Manual if it is a factory built
> S-LSA.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Boyd, I know Jon and he flies a CT too so the initiation into the MV club should
be good [Laughing].
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Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH |
Is it enough to mark the operating limitations on the instruments or do I
need a piece of paper with them on it? Are there some operating limitations
that can't be marked on the instruments?
>How did you get an special/experimental airworthiness certificate without
>Operating Limitations? I've never heard of one being issued without this.
>Did the inspector drop the ball? If you do have the Op Limits,
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Landing speed |
Thanks for clarifying Beauford... :) I sure wish you were joining us at MV.
You would be the life of the party I'm sure! Whatever works best for you is what
you are comfortable with, so speed-freak it is! :D
Thanks again. Cheers!!
--------
Jim Hefner
Kolbless in Tucson :(
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| Subject: | Fly-in to Homer's |
Terry:
I plan to be there.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fly-in to Homer's
Gentlemen,
Just a reminder to mark your calendars for June 16th. to fly to Homer Kolb's
farm for a homecoming get together. If you haven't been there before, I
know you will enjoy the hospitality and get a chance to see Clara and
Homer's beautiful farm where our aircraft where conceived and manufactured.
Also hanging in the barn are Homer's earliest creations that got all this
started. That is the Sat. of Fathers Day weekend. There is an ultralight
fly-in at Footlight Ranch in York County, PA also known as Shreveport North,
near Dillsburg that weekend for three days. Some of us will be going and
camping there Sat. night after the get together at Homer's. A real good
chance to meet many other ultralight pilots and share information. Hope to
see you there.
Will be giving out more information as we get closer to the date,
Terry - FireFly #95
Those that said they are coming so far: Add your name if it's not listed.
Gene Zimmerman
John Hauck
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Earl Zimmerman
Eddy Zimmerman
Luray Weachter
Steve Green
Ron - from Arizona?
Thom Riddle
Bob Bean
Chuck ?
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