---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/22/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Re: Lycoming? (Richard Girard) 2. 07:29 AM - MV pictures (Terry) 3. 07:30 AM - MV pictures (Terry) 4. 08:34 AM - MV #5 (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 5. 09:34 AM - Re: Lycoming? (FLYMICHIGAN@comcast.net) 6. 10:47 AM - Re: MV pictures (jimhefner) 7. 10:59 AM - Re: wont turn right (Jim Dunn) 8. 01:06 PM - Re: Mark IIIC won't turn right in straight and level (Richard Pike) 9. 07:10 PM - Re: Will it ever be done... (Denny Rowe) 10. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: FireFly prop & others (Duffney) 11. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: FireFly prop & others (HShack@aol.com) 12. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: FireFly prop & others (DAquaNut@aol.com) 13. 09:03 PM - Update #8 - 2007 Monument Valley Adventure (TheWanderingWench) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:27 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lycoming? Bryan, You didn't mention what model Kolb, but the short answer is no. At an installed weight of almost 250 lb. it's a tad heavy for the airframe of any model Kolb. Better to trade it for something else. MHO Rick On 5/21/07, FLYMICHIGAN@comcast.net wrote: > > > Has anyone ever heard of a Lycoming o290 ever being mounted to a kolb? I > just picked up a zero time o290d at an auction. (125hp) > > Bryan Dever > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:19 AM PST US From: Terry Subject: Kolb-List: MV pictures Jim, A huge thank you for taking and posting the pictures from MV. Makes us stay at home's really envious! Don't know how much trouble you had "cleaning up" the photo's, but the results are spectacular. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:39 AM PST US From: Terry Subject: Kolb-List: MV pictures Jim, A huge thank you for taking and posting the pictures from MV. Makes us stay at home's really envious! Don't know how much trouble you had "cleaning up" the photo's, but the results are spectacular. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:57 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Kolb-List: MV #5 I just got back in Michigan from seeing my parents and oh yes also attending the Monument Valley fly-in. It was wonderful as usual. It seems like there was even some talking about airplanes. We even watched a airplane movie one night on a portable DVD player. I didn't get a chance to fly this year but was more than happy to forgo that experience to see all the smiling faces from the kids that got rides. Thanks Dave your heart is in the right place. Check out the attached photos. A Drifter attacks Kolb photographer (just kidding). I was taking photos of people leaving Sunday when a Drifter took its pilot for a wild ride. I heard a throttle go full almost instantly and noticed the wing tips rocking. I took photo 4057 and when the view finder cleared for the next shot I saw the plane way too close. I had just time enough to duck and run. Photo 4060 shows Arty taking off the way it should be done and also one wheel track in the sand heading right towards were I was standing. Photo 4054 shows the drifter in a less menacing position before the takeoff. Note the aux fuel tank in the rear seat. It is sitting high on a bag held in by seat belts, sort of. Apparently after hitting the ground behind me it slipped its restraints and made control adjustments on the rear stick after finally taking off. The tank never fell out but was moving around in the seat unrestrained when the Drifter landed. No one was hurt. Pilot has some wounded pride and a bent tail wheel but otherwise fine. If the Drifter had veered left it could have been much worse, there were more people and a line of planes. I talked to the pilot when he landed and offered to show him the photo. He DID NOT WANT TO SEE IT. All he could say it "I almost hit that girl on the other side of the runway" He needs glasses too!!!!! A bystander happened to be video tapping the incident from the other side the runway. Karen Cottrell got a promise from the guy to send her a copy of the tape. Should be interesting viewing. It will be very interesting to see what all happened. My photo shows controls set for a left turn back towards the runway but the track in the sand shows no turn. Probably wanted to check out the girl closer????? There was a tail wind but very little cross wind. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:11 AM PST US From: FLYMICHIGAN@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lycoming? Thanks Rick, that confirms my suspision. I have a firestar right now, but I want to build a 2 seater. Maybe a Kolbra. I had no intensions of buying the Lycoming, but it showed up at an auction and went remarkably cheap. Bryan Dever do not archive -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Richard Girard" > Bryan, You didn't mention what model Kolb, but the short answer is no. At an > installed weight of almost 250 lb. it's a tad heavy for the airframe of any > model Kolb. Better to trade it for something else. MHO > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MV pictures From: "jimhefner" Terry, thanks for the kind words. It takes some time to clean up the photos but it's well worth it and I'm happy to share them with the folks that can't make it out here. The resolution on the website slideshow is not the greatest but the originals are very spectacular. I'll be adding a few more to my wall collection of 12X17's! I cleaned up a few more of the flying shots this morning and put them on the website, so have another look when you get some time. Thanks again... I'm happy you enjoyed them! -------- Jim Hefner Tucson, AZ C-150F N150HF based at 57AZ Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114210#114210 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wont turn right From: "Jim Dunn" Does it exhibit the same problem power off (idle)? Do you have smooth & effortless equal and full aileron deflection on the ground? Is this a new development? My Firefly with Rotax 503 has a lot of torque. In moderate to high cruise it did the same thing (would barely turn right. Adjusting the flaperon trim tab and riging some helped (left down; right up). If I power back to 45mph cruise, the problem disappears. Jim N. Idaho > > Anyway, this Mark IIIC will not turn right in straight and level cruise. > The stick moves easily to the left but takes two hands to move it a even > alittle bit to the right. If you put the plane in a climb or a descent, > it unloads the problem and allows the stick to move to the right. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark IIIC won't turn right in straight and level From: "Richard Pike" Is it possible that the turn effort changes with speed? Since you mentioned that it is easier in a climb or descent, is it also a function of airspeed? Is it easier when flying slow, and harder when flying fast? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114244#114244 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:25 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Will it ever be done... Hang in there Dana, I know how you feel. denny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Hague" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Will it ever be done... > > AAAARGH!!! > > As you may know, I bought an Ultrastar complete with enclosed trailer last > December a week before the airport it was located at closed. The US > needed maybe a day of work to get it flyable; the trailer was another > story... it had been used to store junk for the past 15 years or so while > the plane sat comfortably in a hangar. Pieces of rotted wood fell off the > trailer all the way home. > > I figured no big deal, how tough can a trailer rebuild be? Started > working on it as soon as it got warm enough, and months later, it still > seems endless. The big stuff, floor, sides, etc., went fast enough, but > night after night I'm fussing with details... ventilation yesterday, doors > the day before, tail boom support today and tomorrow, lights next... > endless $50 and $100 purchases from McMaster and the local hardware store > (my wife LOVES that part!)... then I have to get my tow vehicle running... > one of these months maybe I'll even be able to FLY the plane! > > If I had know how long it would take I'd have done the minor work to make > the plane flyable and at least put a few hours on it before bringing it > home... as it is making Homer's next month is seeming less and less > likely. > > Oh well, sorry, just needed to vent... I know it'll be worthwhile in the > end... but today I'm pretty tired. > > -Dana > -- > -- > Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? > > > -- > 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:37 PM PST US From: "Duffney" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly prop & others Howard, What made you go with the 3.47 box? I went with I think 2.62 on an e-box wwith a two blade taper -tip on a 503 DCDI. What is your rpm WOT straight and level? What would I gain with 3.47 gears on my Firestar II? Your advice always appreciated. Thanks Tim D. ----- Original Message ----- From: HShack@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly prop & others In a message dated 5/15/2007 11:54:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, etzim62@earthlink.net writes: But a two blade prop will out perform a three blade every time when everything is optimized, especially prop diameter and prop speed Outperform? What does that mean? I have a FS II, 503DCDI, 3.47:1 C Box, & 68" 3 blade Kiev prop; weight of plane is 470 [wet] & I was 275 when the following results were obtained: Outclimbed & outran 2 other FS II's; one was grossed same as mine & one 70 lbs lighter. Both had B boxes & with 2 blade props. The results were the same when I ran a 3 blade Warp, 68" w/ taper tips. YMMV Howard Shackleford FS II SC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 05/19/2006 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:17 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly prop & others In a message dated 5/22/2007 10:57:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tnt1@rangebroadband.com writes: Howard, What made you go with the 3.47 box? I went with I think 2.62 on an e-box wwith a two blade taper -tip on a 503 DCDI. What is your rpm WOT straight and level? What would I gain with 3.47 gears on my Firestar II? Your advice always appreciated. Thanks Tim D. When I bought my kit, I asked Dennis Souder what set-up he would recommend for best climb considering my weight [270 at the time]. The 3.47 box w/ Warp 3 blade, 68" taper tip is what he recommended. My WOT is 6500. I don't know that you would gain anything by changing your setup; my setup works for me, may not work for you. Is your plane heavy? What is your personal weight? Are you seeking more climb? Probably not worth the expense to change. I think most FSII's fly great no matter what the set-up. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:53 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly prop & others In a message dated 5/22/2007 10:43:13 PM Central Standard Time, HShack@aol.com writes: > My WOT is 6500. I don't know that you would gain anything by changing your > setup; my setup works for me, may not work for you. Is your plane heavy? > What is your personal weight? Are you seeking more climb? Probably not > worth the expense to change. > > I think most FSII's fly great no matter what the set-up. > > > Howard Shackleford > FS II > SC > > > Ive not seen anything mentioned about economy during this lengthy > prop discussion. Has anyone done a comparison on which prop gets the best > distance or mileage. Seems it is accepted that the 3 blade is smoother than > the 2 blade, but which would be best if you were going for a distance record on > Ed Diebel FF # 62


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See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:10 PM PST US From: TheWanderingWench Subject: Kolb-List: Update #8 - 2007 Monument Valley Adventure Weather, weather, weather. Seems like since we left Monument Valley 3 days ago we have had absolutely NO LUCK with the weather! Larry Cottrell, Jeff Warner and I left Sunday morning from MV, with Larry's wife Karen driving the chase car. Jeff is flying a 2-seat Drifter that he bought - and which was delivered to him at MV by BJ Moore, the builder. I've flown with Jeff for 18 years and know he's an outstanding pilot - but somehow the Drifter got away from him on take-off and he nearly crashed, actually going off the runway onto an embankment. Somehow he was able to muscle it into the air instead of crashing. He had a spare can of gas in the back seat, and when he hit the embankment the seat harness holding the can came loose...the can "walked" to the front of the seat and pressed against the stick, so he had no elevator controls. He was finally able to bring it down and land; after careful checking and adjustments, felt ready to fly again. We flew to Bullfrog, a small strip on Lake Powell to transfer gas, and then headed on to Wayne Wonderland airport. We needed gas,but there's none there - so I buzzed the town (at appropriate altitude) to try and entice someone out to the airstrip. No one came - but two boys on motorcycles, who had first wouldn't stop because they thought Jeff - in a army green flight suit - was a cop. They said they'd try and find someone to bring us gas. I walked out to the highway and flagged down the first pick-up truck I saw...which happened to be a county sheriff! He took me (with 4 gas cans) to get gas, and also asked me to send him info about ultralights because he's always wanted to fly! From Wayne Wonderland we flew high - at 9000', heading for Delta airport. It was VERY bumpy, with lots of life. I had a hard time staying below 10,000' and a few times wasn't successful. I'd be at 9800' or so, do a scan or two, look at my altimeter - and see I was down to 7500'. Very unnerving. This was a very, very rough leg, and we couldn't watch out for each other to be sure we were all together. (Larry and I stayed in radio contact, but Jeff was flying without a radio.) Larry and I landed at Delta together, but no Jeff. An hour later...then two hours later...then three hours later...no Jeff. Larry were getting worried, but I was sure that Jeff had set down somewhere. We finally heard from him by cell phone - he had been getting tossed around too much and decided he'd rather be on the ground. So he landed and waited until almost 7:30 p.m. to continue the flight to Delta. On Monday we left Delta bright and early. It was clear and gorgeous. The ONE day that I didn't call for a weather briefing...and the same day that Larry neglected to tell me that he'd been talking to a crop duster at Delta who said that a big storm was heading for Salt Lake City. Sure enough, we ran into it. Ten miles out of Tooele (just a few miles southwest of Salt Lake,) we heard that the weather at Toole was 1 mile visibility, light rain, and a ceiling of 3-400'. We decided to put down in a large pasture of bunch grass rather than continue on. 8:00 a.m. and our flying was over for the day; it rained the rest of the day. Today we were full of hope that we'd make it to the Cottrells by this evening. The weather briefing was positive for all along our route and the morning was very cold (about 32 degrees) but beautifully clear and calm. The first leg was to Wendover, UT/NV (the city is in both states,) and the flying was fantastic. We saw the Great Slt Lake, and flew over the Bonneville Salt Flats. Larry was about 4-6 miles ahead of me and Jeff. Jerf and I flew almost wingtip to wingtip, right on the deck, about 3' above the ground, doing brief touch and goes. It was a phenomenal experience that lasted for over 30 miles! At Wendover, Jeff discovered that a radiator bolt had worked its way out and hit the prop. In coming loose, it stripped the threads, so he borrowed a tool to tap new threads. Larry really wanted to get home, since John Hauck and John Williamson - who had been in Monument Valley - were supposed to fly into his place today. So he took off on his own, promising to follow the highway religiously. Karen followed him, and it took Jeff and I another 40 minutes to be in the air. The leg from Wendover to Wells, NV was every bit as bad as the leg to Delta. Poor Jeff!! He's never flown an open cockpit plane like the Drifter, and he was really getting an immersion! The turbulence was no fun at all, and the two mountain passes we had to go through loomed really high, as we both were having trouble climbing and staying high. We limped into Wells at 12:20 p.m., and there was Larry's Kolb. The weather was too bad for any of us to continue on. So now we're all motelling it for the night, planning on leaving early tomorrow morning and HOPING that the weather will cooperate for once! We really want to get further than the 150 or so miles a day we've done since we left Monument Valley! Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.