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1. 02:03 AM - R: Kolb Firestar II For Sale (Carlo Tura)
2. 03:58 AM - Re: prop bolts (tc1917)
3. 05:41 AM - q (Russ Kinne)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: prop bolts (Richard Girard)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: prop bolts (Roger Lee)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Steve Spence)
7. 07:47 AM - Home Again From MV 2007 (John Hauck)
8. 07:49 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (John Hauck)
9. 07:51 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft))
10. 08:23 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Steve Spence)
11. 08:33 AM - MV (pat ladd)
12. 09:08 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
13. 10:18 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Steve Spence)
14. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: prop bolts (Larry Cottrell)
15. 03:18 PM - Re: MV (Larry Bourne)
16. 03:37 PM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Larry Bourne)
17. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: prop bolts (DBforfun@aol.com)
18. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: prop bolts (Jim Baker)
19. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: prop bolts (Richard Girard)
20. 11:04 PM - Kolb List: New Possum applicant- ? (possums)
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar II For Sale |
Dear Ken
My name is Carlo Tura i=92m Italian - from Modena
I have a Kolb MK II but I hav=92nt the manual or the instruction for use
Is possible find this document?
I pay for it
Thanks
_____
Da: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] Per conto di Ken Vance
Inviato: marted=EC 29 maggio 2007 5.45
A: kolb-list@matronics.com
Cc: ****spam**** [POPFile]
Oggetto: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II For Sale
Engine: Rotax 503, Dual Carbs, Single Ignition
Prop: "Ultra Prop", Composite, 4 Blades
Full Enclosure
Folding Wings
Electric Starter
Streamline Struts
Brakes
Wing Tip Strobes
10 Gallons Fuel
Stits Covering
Custom Upholstered Seats
E-Mailed photos available by request. Asking $8,500.
Ken Vance
Eaton, Ohio (Southwest Ohio, about 30 miles west of Dayton, Ohio)
937-456-9334 or vances@infinet.com
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okay, I am a novice talker so I need some clarification on this bolt talk.
are you saying we MUST use only the 8.8 metric bolts for props supplied by
the prop people (can warp supply these for us?) or CAN we use standard
stainless bolts without any problem? Not a rocket scientist here so if
someone could clarify for us dummies. I need to add an extension to my hub
also (1/2 inch would do). thanks. ted cowan, alabama
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List
There must be someone out there who's planning long XC flites --
(besides the two Johns) -- and I have last year's copy of the
Aviation Atlas which I can give to him/her. This list all airports in
the US, runways, freq's, FBO's, phone #s, distances to food, motels,
etc etc.
I'll send it to the first requester. Not much changes in a year; this
will be a useful book.
Russ
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Ted, Use what your prop maker recommends. My Warp Drive came with 8.8 metric
bolts, my Power Fin came with stainless steel socket head cap screws, also
in metric, and the Ritz prop on the Firestar uses AN bolts as does the IVO
prop on the MiniMax.
The only real rule I follow is, I do NOT, under any circumstances, use grade
8 bolts as prop bolts. They are far too brittle for the application.
In the particular application I was speaking of, I found grade 8's threaded
into an aluminum pulley. The threads were already cut (5/16-18 UNC), and I
was stuck. I wouldn't sign off the annual and leave the grade 8's in place,
so I had to come up with a replacement. The only other option would have
been to tap the holes for thread inserts and make the threads metric that
way. I found SS bolts at McMaster Carr that gave enough shank length so I
could shorten the threads to end up with bolts that satisfied the prop
maker's requirements.
Rick
On 5/30/07, tc1917 <tc1917@hughes.net> wrote:
>
>
> okay, I am a novice talker so I need some clarification on this bolt talk.
> are you saying we MUST use only the 8.8 metric bolts for props supplied by
> the prop people (can warp supply these for us?) or CAN we use standard
> stainless bolts without any problem? Not a rocket scientist here so if
> someone could clarify for us dummies. I need to add an extension to my
> hub
> also (1/2 inch would do). thanks. ted cowan, alabama
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Ted,
Just a thought. The holes in your engine prop hub are metric. If you use standard
bolts that fit that would give them some room to move. That is maybe why they
all use metric. If you tighten these to MFG. specs at
175 in/lbs. then they will move when the props hammer down to a stop.
When you tighten the 1/4" bolts on the prop hub itself they will need to be retorqued
after you tighten the engine hub bolts at 175 in/lbs. The inner 1/4" prop
bolts tightened to 120 in/lbs will be loose again. Call Warp Drive and see
what bolt they recommend. When I replaced my engine 8.8 metric hub bolts on the
Kolb I was able to find the indenticle bolt at an Ace Hardware.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115550#115550
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight |
On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor
from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I
received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a
2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap
gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs.
Life seems very good now.
Steve Spence
Auburn Hills, MI
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| Subject: | Home Again From MV 2007 |
Morning Gang:
A short note to tell you all I arrived home safely, but tired, at 1625
yesterday.
Flew 67.2 hours, 5,062 miles, in 15 days, burning 336 gal of av gas.
Had a ball. Glad I got to visit and fly with you all again for one
more year.
Airplane did great, as did the new 912ULS that has 87.2 hours on it
since installation last month.
Broke a mounting tab on the STE exhaust system (same one that broke
after the initial 35 hours in Dec 2005), but the system stayed in
place with the one remaining mounting tab. John W experience the same
failure with no problems.
Gonna be a quick turn around to get ready for the flight to Homer
Kolb's Flyin on 16 June.
Here are a couple video clips Larry Cottrell took of my mkIII flying
on the Alvord Dessert.
We had a ball.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-291975136420718548
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8252079461989792144
john hmkIII
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight |
On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his
supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost
two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate
for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S.
Steve Spence
Steve S:
Congrats!!!
Good luck on your upcoming test flight.
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight |
Steve
This is great news.
Keep us posted.
Please post picture at your convenience.
Travis @ Kolb
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Spence
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his
supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two
hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for
N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach
Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance
the carbs. Life seems very good now.
Steve Spence
Auburn Hills, MI
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight |
Travis & all:
I'll take some pictures shortly which will display the aircraft complete
with "N"# and placards.
----- Original Message -----
From: Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
Steve
This is great news.
Keep us posted.
Please post picture at your convenience.
Travis @ Kolb
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Spence
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his
supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two
hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for
N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach
Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance
the carbs. Life seems very good now.
Steve Spence
Auburn Hills, MI
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Hi All,
We finally arrived home on Sunday after our 3 week jaunt around 6
States.
Wendy and I both thoroughly enjoyed our couple of days at MV and would
like to thank everyone for the warmth of our welcome.
The evening sessions under the stars with the odd bottle of Dos Equis
while the talk flowed were great. I was sorry not to see MV from a Kolb
but by the time we arrived preparations were under way for the flights
home with refuelling done and kit packed so it was understandable that
pilots didn`t want to go joy riding. We were both very grateful for the
flight around the area in the Cessna. Thank you Dave particularly as you
had been flying Indian kids all day. What a spectacular place to fly.We
appreciated it more I think because Lar had taken us out to Mexican Hat,
the San Juan river and up a hair raising trail to the top of a mesa in
his great truck in the morning so we had seen it from ground level..
I stand in awe at the sort of terrain you guys fly over and the
distances you travel. Most of the way you would not have got me to fly
anywhere but within landing distance of the road
On the last morning we stopped for fuel before checking the airstrip so
we just missed the drama of Jeff taking to the sage in his Drifter on
take off. We did see the video though so may be it will turn up on
YouTube??.
We left after breakfast for Durango and the storm clouds were building
up so we were worried about the weather that some people were flying
into. Particularly when the Thunder Gods chased us off Mesa Verde with
lightning and rain drops which seemingly held about a pint of water
each.
Our lasting impression is of the vast distances. When the Satnav in our
car said `Turn left after 79 miles` and we could see the road stretching
into infinity before us it really brought it home to us what a tight
little island we live in.
It also shed light on the way Americans come to England with the idea
that they will `do ` England in 2 days, Scotland and Wales in one day
each and then off to to Europe. Often in the States we drove a hundred
miles and there was absolutely nothing to stop for. In the UK there is a
village or something interesting about every half mile so anyone who is
contemplating a trip to the UK, when the exchange rate improves, allow a
bit of time and let us know. There is a bed here for visiting Kolbers.
Thanks again to everyone and particularly to Big Lar who supplied us
with maps and pages of fascinating and relevant information and
suggested routes.
Pat and Wendy
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight |
Steve
Great! Get that plane in the air. Looking forward to seeing you at
Michigan Flyins.
Three flyins that were last year Uncle John's - Fathers day, Chesaning
mid July, Purdy - mid Aug. No dates have been posted that I'm aware of
or if they are even happening this year. If anyone knows let us know.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Spence
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his
supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two
hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for
N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach
Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance
the carbs. Life seems very good now.
Steve Spence
Auburn Hills, MI
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight |
Father's Day at Uncle Johns (appears to be outside my 25 mi. radius)
June 15 -17, MULA fly in @ Chesaning July 14 & 15 and Purdy Field fly
in August 11.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
Steve
Great! Get that plane in the air. Looking forward to seeing you at
Michigan Flyins.
Three flyins that were last year Uncle John's - Fathers day, Chesaning
mid July, Purdy - mid Aug. No dates have been posted that I'm aware of
or if they are even happening this year. If anyone knows let us know.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Spence
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his
supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two
hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for
N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach
Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance
the carbs. Life seems very good now.
Steve Spence
Auburn Hills, MI
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Hi,
I just got off the phone with Daryl at Warp drive about the prop bolts and
the standards for them. He tells me that other than some zinc on them for
corrosion, they are standard Metric bolts and the ones purchased at any of
the auto parts stores will do the job. I shall do so this Friday.
Larry C, Oregon
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Thank you, Pat. It was a great pleasure to meet you and Wendy, and I
enjoyed our travels together. Too bad you couldn't have spent more time,
but sounds like you made the most of what you had.
Lar.
On 5/30/07, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> We finally arrived home on Sunday after our 3 week jaunt around 6 States.
>
> Wendy and I both thoroughly enjoyed our couple of days at MV and would
> like to thank everyone for the warmth of our welcome.
>
> The evening sessions under the stars with the odd bottle of Dos Equis
> while the talk flowed were great. I was sorry not to see MV from a Kolb but
> by the time we arrived preparations were under way for the flights home with
> refuelling done and kit packed so it was understandable that pilots didn`t
> want to go joy riding. We were both very grateful for the flight around the
> area in the Cessna. Thank you Dave particularly as you had been flying
> Indian kids all day. What a spectacular place to fly.We appreciated it
> more I think because Lar had taken us out to Mexican Hat, the San Juan
> river and up a hair raising trail to the top of a mesa in his great truck in
> the morning so we had seen it from ground level..
>
> I stand in awe at the sort of terrain you guys fly over and the distances
> you travel. Most of the way you would not have got me to fly anywhere
> but within landing distance of the road
>
> On the last morning we stopped for fuel before checking the airstrip so we
> just missed the drama of Jeff taking to the sage in his Drifter on take
> off. We did see the video though so may be it will turn up on YouTube??.
>
> We left after breakfast for Durango and the storm clouds were building up
> so we were worried about the weather that some people were flying into.
> Particularly when the Thunder Gods chased us off Mesa Verde with lightning
> and rain drops which seemingly held about a pint of water each.
> Our lasting impression is of the vast distances. When the Satnav in our
> car said `Turn left after 79 miles` and we could see the road stretching
> into infinity before us it really brought it home to us what a tight little
> island we live in.
>
> It also shed light on the way Americans come to England with the idea
> that they will `do ` England in 2 days, Scotland and Wales in one day each
> and then off to to Europe. Often in the States we drove a hundred miles and
> there was absolutely nothing to stop for. In the UK there is a village or
> something interesting about every half mile so anyone who is contemplating
> a trip to the UK, when the exchange rate improves, allow a bit of time and
> let us know. There is a bed here for visiting Kolbers.
>
> Thanks again to everyone and particularly to Big Lar who supplied us with
> maps and pages of fascinating and relevant information and suggested routes.
>
> Pat and Wendy
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight |
Congratulations, Steve. I'll bet life seems even sweeter after you make
that 1st flight. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Spence
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his
supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two
hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for
N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach
Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance
the carbs. Life seems very good now.
Steve Spence
Auburn Hills, MI
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Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts?
Thanks
In a message dated 5/30/2007 3:04:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Hi,
I just got off the phone with Daryl at Warp drive about the prop bolts and
the standards for them. He tells me that other than some zinc on them for
corrosion, they are standard Metric bolts and the ones purchased at any of
the auto parts stores will do the job. I shall do so this Friday.
Larry C, Oregon
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
>
> Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts?
Depends on the diameter....
http://www.precisionscrewandbolt.com/metric.htm
Metric grade 8.8 are 85kpsi proof and 120kpsi tensil, similar to
SAE Grade 5 specs..
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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The 8mm bolts used with Rotax gearboxes are 1.25 mm pitch.
Rick
On 5/30/07, Jim Baker <jlbaker@msbit.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts?
>
> Depends on the diameter....
>
> http://www.precisionscrewandbolt.com/metric.htm
>
>
> Metric grade 8.8 are 85kpsi proof and 120kpsi tensil, similar to
> SAE Grade 5 specs..
>
>
> Jim Baker
> 580.788.2779
> Elmore City, OK
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Kolb List: New Possum applicant- ? |
Got a new yearling. Almost ready for her first interview.
Down here, you got to get them before the're 16 by then the good ones
are divorced and have two or three kids (you know what I mean ?)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Deer Sir,
I waunt to apply for the jobwhat I saw in the paper. I can Type real
quik wit one finggar and do sum a counting.
I think I am good on the phone and I am a pepole person, Pepole
really seam to respond to me well.
Im lookin for a Jobb as a but it musent be to complicaited - is being
a possum hard?
I no my spelling is not to good but find that I Offen can get a job
thru my persinalety.
My salerery is open so we can discus wat you want to pay me and wat
you think that I am werth,
I can start imeditely. Thank you in advanse fore yore anser.
hopifuly Yore best aplicant so farr. I love little Bosco.
Sinseerly,
Peggy May Starlings
Hayhira Ga.
PS : Because my resimay is a bit short - below is a pickture of me
taken at my last jobb.
.
[]
Dear Peggy May,
It's OK honey, we've got spell check
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