---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/30/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - R: Kolb Firestar II For Sale (Carlo Tura) 2. 03:58 AM - Re: prop bolts (tc1917) 3. 05:41 AM - q (Russ Kinne) 4. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: prop bolts (Richard Girard) 5. 07:31 AM - Re: prop bolts (Roger Lee) 6. 07:36 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Steve Spence) 7. 07:47 AM - Home Again From MV 2007 (John Hauck) 8. 07:49 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (John Hauck) 9. 07:51 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)) 10. 08:23 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Steve Spence) 11. 08:33 AM - MV (pat ladd) 12. 09:08 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 13. 10:18 AM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Steve Spence) 14. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: prop bolts (Larry Cottrell) 15. 03:18 PM - Re: MV (Larry Bourne) 16. 03:37 PM - Re: Mk3Xtra ready for flight (Larry Bourne) 17. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: prop bolts (DBforfun@aol.com) 18. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: prop bolts (Jim Baker) 19. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: prop bolts (Richard Girard) 20. 11:04 PM - Kolb List: New Possum applicant- ? (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:24 AM PST US From: "Carlo Tura" Subject: R: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II For Sale Dear Ken My name is Carlo Tura i=92m Italian - from Modena I have a Kolb MK II but I hav=92nt the manual or the instruction for use Is possible find this document? I pay for it Thanks _____ Da: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] Per conto di Ken Vance Inviato: marted=EC 29 maggio 2007 5.45 A: kolb-list@matronics.com Cc: ****spam**** [POPFile] Oggetto: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II For Sale Engine: Rotax 503, Dual Carbs, Single Ignition Prop: "Ultra Prop", Composite, 4 Blades Full Enclosure Folding Wings Electric Starter Streamline Struts Brakes Wing Tip Strobes 10 Gallons Fuel Stits Covering Custom Upholstered Seats E-Mailed photos available by request. Asking $8,500. Ken Vance Eaton, Ohio (Southwest Ohio, about 30 miles west of Dayton, Ohio) 937-456-9334 or vances@infinet.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:57 AM PST US From: "tc1917" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: prop bolts okay, I am a novice talker so I need some clarification on this bolt talk. are you saying we MUST use only the 8.8 metric bolts for props supplied by the prop people (can warp supply these for us?) or CAN we use standard stainless bolts without any problem? Not a rocket scientist here so if someone could clarify for us dummies. I need to add an extension to my hub also (1/2 inch would do). thanks. ted cowan, alabama ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:06 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Kolb-List: q List There must be someone out there who's planning long XC flites -- (besides the two Johns) -- and I have last year's copy of the Aviation Atlas which I can give to him/her. This list all airports in the US, runways, freq's, FBO's, phone #s, distances to food, motels, etc etc. I'll send it to the first requester. Not much changes in a year; this will be a useful book. Russ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:42 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop bolts Ted, Use what your prop maker recommends. My Warp Drive came with 8.8 metric bolts, my Power Fin came with stainless steel socket head cap screws, also in metric, and the Ritz prop on the Firestar uses AN bolts as does the IVO prop on the MiniMax. The only real rule I follow is, I do NOT, under any circumstances, use grade 8 bolts as prop bolts. They are far too brittle for the application. In the particular application I was speaking of, I found grade 8's threaded into an aluminum pulley. The threads were already cut (5/16-18 UNC), and I was stuck. I wouldn't sign off the annual and leave the grade 8's in place, so I had to come up with a replacement. The only other option would have been to tap the holes for thread inserts and make the threads metric that way. I found SS bolts at McMaster Carr that gave enough shank length so I could shorten the threads to end up with bolts that satisfied the prop maker's requirements. Rick On 5/30/07, tc1917 wrote: > > > okay, I am a novice talker so I need some clarification on this bolt talk. > are you saying we MUST use only the 8.8 metric bolts for props supplied by > the prop people (can warp supply these for us?) or CAN we use standard > stainless bolts without any problem? Not a rocket scientist here so if > someone could clarify for us dummies. I need to add an extension to my > hub > also (1/2 inch would do). thanks. ted cowan, alabama > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:27 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: prop bolts From: "Roger Lee" Ted, Just a thought. The holes in your engine prop hub are metric. If you use standard bolts that fit that would give them some room to move. That is maybe why they all use metric. If you tighten these to MFG. specs at 175 in/lbs. then they will move when the props hammer down to a stop. When you tighten the 1/4" bolts on the prop hub itself they will need to be retorqued after you tighten the engine hub bolts at 175 in/lbs. The inner 1/4" prop bolts tightened to 120 in/lbs will be loose again. Call Warp Drive and see what bolt they recommend. When I replaced my engine 8.8 metric hub bolts on the Kolb I was able to find the indenticle bolt at an Ace Hardware. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115550#115550 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:29 AM PST US From: "Steve Spence" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:48 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Home Again From MV 2007 Morning Gang: A short note to tell you all I arrived home safely, but tired, at 1625 yesterday. Flew 67.2 hours, 5,062 miles, in 15 days, burning 336 gal of av gas. Had a ball. Glad I got to visit and fly with you all again for one more year. Airplane did great, as did the new 912ULS that has 87.2 hours on it since installation last month. Broke a mounting tab on the STE exhaust system (same one that broke after the initial 35 hours in Dec 2005), but the system stayed in place with the one remaining mounting tab. John W experience the same failure with no problems. Gonna be a quick turn around to get ready for the flight to Homer Kolb's Flyin on 16 June. Here are a couple video clips Larry Cottrell took of my mkIII flying on the Alvord Dessert. We had a ball. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-291975136420718548 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8252079461989792144 john hmkIII ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:08 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. Steve Spence Steve S: Congrats!!! Good luck on your upcoming test flight. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:39 AM PST US From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Steve This is great news. Keep us posted. Please post picture at your convenience. Travis @ Kolb ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:17 AM PST US From: "Steve Spence" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Travis & all: I'll take some pictures shortly which will display the aircraft complete with "N"# and placards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Steve This is great news. Keep us posted. Please post picture at your convenience. Travis @ Kolb ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:57 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: MV Hi All, We finally arrived home on Sunday after our 3 week jaunt around 6 States. Wendy and I both thoroughly enjoyed our couple of days at MV and would like to thank everyone for the warmth of our welcome. The evening sessions under the stars with the odd bottle of Dos Equis while the talk flowed were great. I was sorry not to see MV from a Kolb but by the time we arrived preparations were under way for the flights home with refuelling done and kit packed so it was understandable that pilots didn`t want to go joy riding. We were both very grateful for the flight around the area in the Cessna. Thank you Dave particularly as you had been flying Indian kids all day. What a spectacular place to fly.We appreciated it more I think because Lar had taken us out to Mexican Hat, the San Juan river and up a hair raising trail to the top of a mesa in his great truck in the morning so we had seen it from ground level.. I stand in awe at the sort of terrain you guys fly over and the distances you travel. Most of the way you would not have got me to fly anywhere but within landing distance of the road On the last morning we stopped for fuel before checking the airstrip so we just missed the drama of Jeff taking to the sage in his Drifter on take off. We did see the video though so may be it will turn up on YouTube??. We left after breakfast for Durango and the storm clouds were building up so we were worried about the weather that some people were flying into. Particularly when the Thunder Gods chased us off Mesa Verde with lightning and rain drops which seemingly held about a pint of water each. Our lasting impression is of the vast distances. When the Satnav in our car said `Turn left after 79 miles` and we could see the road stretching into infinity before us it really brought it home to us what a tight little island we live in. It also shed light on the way Americans come to England with the idea that they will `do ` England in 2 days, Scotland and Wales in one day each and then off to to Europe. Often in the States we drove a hundred miles and there was absolutely nothing to stop for. In the UK there is a village or something interesting about every half mile so anyone who is contemplating a trip to the UK, when the exchange rate improves, allow a bit of time and let us know. There is a bed here for visiting Kolbers. Thanks again to everyone and particularly to Big Lar who supplied us with maps and pages of fascinating and relevant information and suggested routes. Pat and Wendy ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:44 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Steve Great! Get that plane in the air. Looking forward to seeing you at Michigan Flyins. Three flyins that were last year Uncle John's - Fathers day, Chesaning mid July, Purdy - mid Aug. No dates have been posted that I'm aware of or if they are even happening this year. If anyone knows let us know. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:22 AM PST US From: "Steve Spence" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Father's Day at Uncle Johns (appears to be outside my 25 mi. radius) June 15 -17, MULA fly in @ Chesaning July 14 & 15 and Purdy Field fly in August 11. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Steve Great! Get that plane in the air. Looking forward to seeing you at Michigan Flyins. Three flyins that were last year Uncle John's - Fathers day, Chesaning mid July, Purdy - mid Aug. No dates have been posted that I'm aware of or if they are even happening this year. If anyone knows let us know. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:51 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop bolts Hi, I just got off the phone with Daryl at Warp drive about the prop bolts and the standards for them. He tells me that other than some zinc on them for corrosion, they are standard Metric bolts and the ones purchased at any of the auto parts stores will do the job. I shall do so this Friday. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:49 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Thank you, Pat. It was a great pleasure to meet you and Wendy, and I enjoyed our travels together. Too bad you couldn't have spent more time, but sounds like you made the most of what you had. Lar. On 5/30/07, pat ladd wrote: > > Hi All, > > We finally arrived home on Sunday after our 3 week jaunt around 6 States. > > Wendy and I both thoroughly enjoyed our couple of days at MV and would > like to thank everyone for the warmth of our welcome. > > The evening sessions under the stars with the odd bottle of Dos Equis > while the talk flowed were great. I was sorry not to see MV from a Kolb but > by the time we arrived preparations were under way for the flights home with > refuelling done and kit packed so it was understandable that pilots didn`t > want to go joy riding. We were both very grateful for the flight around the > area in the Cessna. Thank you Dave particularly as you had been flying > Indian kids all day. What a spectacular place to fly.We appreciated it > more I think because Lar had taken us out to Mexican Hat, the San Juan > river and up a hair raising trail to the top of a mesa in his great truck in > the morning so we had seen it from ground level.. > > I stand in awe at the sort of terrain you guys fly over and the distances > you travel. Most of the way you would not have got me to fly anywhere > but within landing distance of the road > > On the last morning we stopped for fuel before checking the airstrip so we > just missed the drama of Jeff taking to the sage in his Drifter on take > off. We did see the video though so may be it will turn up on YouTube??. > > We left after breakfast for Durango and the storm clouds were building up > so we were worried about the weather that some people were flying into. > Particularly when the Thunder Gods chased us off Mesa Verde with lightning > and rain drops which seemingly held about a pint of water each. > Our lasting impression is of the vast distances. When the Satnav in our > car said `Turn left after 79 miles` and we could see the road stretching > into infinity before us it really brought it home to us what a tight little > island we live in. > > It also shed light on the way Americans come to England with the idea > that they will `do ` England in 2 days, Scotland and Wales in one day each > and then off to to Europe. Often in the States we drove a hundred miles and > there was absolutely nothing to stop for. In the UK there is a village or > something interesting about every half mile so anyone who is contemplating > a trip to the UK, when the exchange rate improves, allow a bit of time and > let us know. There is a bed here for visiting Kolbers. > > Thanks again to everyone and particularly to Big Lar who supplied us with > maps and pages of fascinating and relevant information and suggested routes. > > Pat and Wendy > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:08 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Congratulations, Steve. I'll bet life seems even sweeter after you make that 1st flight. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:10 PM PST US From: DBforfun@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop bolts Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts? Thanks In a message dated 5/30/2007 3:04:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Hi, I just got off the phone with Daryl at Warp drive about the prop bolts and the standards for them. He tells me that other than some zinc on them for corrosion, they are standard Metric bolts and the ones purchased at any of the auto parts stores will do the job. I shall do so this Friday. Larry C, Oregon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:17 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop bolts X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) > > Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts? Depends on the diameter.... http://www.precisionscrewandbolt.com/metric.htm Metric grade 8.8 are 85kpsi proof and 120kpsi tensil, similar to SAE Grade 5 specs.. Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:32 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop bolts The 8mm bolts used with Rotax gearboxes are 1.25 mm pitch. Rick On 5/30/07, Jim Baker wrote: > > > > > > Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts? > > Depends on the diameter.... > > http://www.precisionscrewandbolt.com/metric.htm > > > Metric grade 8.8 are 85kpsi proof and 120kpsi tensil, similar to > SAE Grade 5 specs.. > > > Jim Baker > 580.788.2779 > Elmore City, OK > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:17 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List: New Possum applicant- ? Got a new yearling. Almost ready for her first interview. Down here, you got to get them before the're 16 by then the good ones are divorced and have two or three kids (you know what I mean ?) ----------------------------------------------------------- Deer Sir, I waunt to apply for the jobwhat I saw in the paper. I can Type real quik wit one finggar and do sum a counting. I think I am good on the phone and I am a pepole person, Pepole really seam to respond to me well. Im lookin for a Jobb as a but it musent be to complicaited - is being a possum hard? I no my spelling is not to good but find that I Offen can get a job thru my persinalety. My salerery is open so we can discus wat you want to pay me and wat you think that I am werth, I can start imeditely. Thank you in advanse fore yore anser. hopifuly Yore best aplicant so farr. I love little Bosco. Sinseerly, Peggy May Starlings Hayhira Ga. PS : Because my resimay is a bit short - below is a pickture of me taken at my last jobb. .. 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