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1. 04:18 AM - Re: English/American (pat ladd)
2. 04:57 AM - Re: English/American (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:07 AM - FIRE!!!!! (ropermike)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (Larry Cottrell)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (Ralph B)
6. 07:33 AM - No checkouts avail at TNK??? (Don G)
7. 08:06 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (ropermike)
8. 08:08 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (ropermike)
9. 08:19 AM - fire!!! (Arksey@aol.com)
10. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: FIRE!!!!! (Robert Laird)
11. 08:45 AM - Re: No checkouts avail at TNK??? (Richard Pike)
12. 09:21 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (JetPilot)
13. 10:53 AM - Re: No checkouts avail at TNK??? (Jim Kmet)
14. 10:58 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (Blumax008@aol.com)
15. 11:20 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (Richard Pike)
16. 11:21 AM - Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! (Blumax008@aol.com)
17. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: English/American (pat ladd)
18. 11:44 AM - Re: English/American (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
19. 12:24 PM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (flykolb)
20. 12:39 PM - Our similar differences (JAMES BEARD)
21. 01:08 PM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
22. 01:14 PM - Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! (russ kinne)
23. 01:25 PM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (flykolb)
24. 02:47 PM - Monument Valley (Mike Welch)
25. 02:48 PM - Re: English/American (Mike Welch)
26. 07:25 PM - Re: fire!!! (TheWanderingWench)
27. 07:45 PM - Re: fire!!! (possums)
28. 08:14 PM - Re: fire!!! (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
29. 08:31 PM - Firestar for sale (Richard Pike)
30. 08:36 PM - Re: No checkouts avail at TNK??? (DAquaNut@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: English/American |
I'm not the only one here who finds your continued 'US-bashing' offensive>>
Hi Ed,
I think you must suffer from an exceptionaly thin skin. And so does at least
one other listee who has written to me this morning apologising to me for
the rudeness of his fellow American.
At no time did I intentionally `US Bash`. and I think that I have always
made it clear that I appreciate that we just approach things in a different
way.
Sure I would love to be able to load my Xtra up in the way John Hauk loads
his or put a lovely streamlined cowl over the engine, but a few weeks ago
the list was discussing cutting up planes instead of taking the risk of a
law suit if the plane was sold and the buyer came to grief. Thats the other
side of the `freedom ` coin. I have never argued about which is best. I just
accept the fact.
2 people at MV said they liked my posts as they gave a different perpective.
And the sympathetic posts which came in when I stupidly crunched my plane
were magnificent..
Still you can`t please everyone and it would seem that the judicious use of
your `delete` key would save a lot of bad temper.
..
If no one is interested in the way things are done or what people are doing
outside the USA, thats fine. Just let me know and I will stop commenting.
I am always interested in the way things are done in other countries. In
other countries than the USA too,( they do exist you know) and I assumed
that othere were interested too. If I am wrong, well OK
Cheers
PAT
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| Subject: | Re: English/American |
Pat,
I appreciate your response to my question and learning about the differences in
rules among the various countries, not just US and UK. Continuing this discussion
of differences is beneficial and educational. I don't see anyone bashing
anyone else, merely informing the group of differences.
Speaking of which, did you know that one can get a private or even commercial pilot's
certificate in the US even if he/she is stone deaf? There is a restriction
on the medical certificate that states something to the effect that it is
valid only where two-way radio use is not required. Since well over 90% of the
airports in the US are un-towered, this is not that big a restriction. I used
to be totally deaf but have bi-lateral cochlear implants now and can use the
radio well these days. Wonderful technology invented and develped by the Aussies.
FYI http://www.deafpilots.com/
Thom in Buffalo
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Hello fellow Kolbers. I read your forum regularly and rarely have anything to contribute
but I want to tell you what happened to me Saturday! I had just completed
a two hr flight in my Mark II and went down to the local wallmart supercenter
to fill my gas jugs up. I prefer to fill here because of the volume of gas
they sell and i have never had a problem with it....I pulled up to the pump
and filled my Pick up up first with diesel. Then I got my two plastic (Wallmart)
5 gal gas jugs out and set them between my truck and the pump, which was my
first mistake. I will allways put the jugs as far from the pump and my truck
as I can in the future, but I do like to be close enough to read the gallons
on the pump as to not overfill the jugs...I put my "Mr Funnel" in the top of the
first jug. I use a small bungee cord to hold the funnel upright while Im filling
the jug.....I start filling the jug and have about two gallons inside when
the funnel starts getting too full. This is a common problem because it is
hard to pump the gas slow enough even though I have the big 5 gallon per minute
"Mr Funnel"....I stop the nozzel for about 15 seconds to let the funnel catch
up and when I squeeze the nozzel again the funnel just lights right up and begins
BURNING!.....I stepped back and dropped the gas nozzel, and tried to believe
my eyes!!! The funnel and gas jug was truely burning and the second jug had
flames coming out the cap!.....This was happening about two feet away from
my truck and about three feet away from the gas pump! I jumped in the truck and
started it up and moved it away and then ran and told the pimple faced kid in
the little office that I had a fire! I then ran back to the pump and the jugs
were still burning but not nearly as bad as I thought they would. I expected
an explosion any minute and was terrified that the fire was so close to the pump
so I grabbed a windshield washer (thankfully this one was one of the longer
kind) and I pushed the burning jugs about 20' away from the pump. About that
time a gu!
y that w
as watching all this had found a fire extinguiser on the side of the building and
ran up and snuffed the fire out!....Mistake # 2 was not having a fire extinguiser
in my truck! Ofcourse your thinking there was a lot more than two mistakes
commited so far in this crises arent you?...About that time the entire Columbia,
Ms police and fire department arrived on the scene.......Well I can tell
you for sure, I'm extremely Lucky! This could have turned into a huge fire and
people could have been hurt!.............Thankfully I had heard that you need
to put jugs on the ground to prevent static electricity even though it didnt
in this case, it did save me from burning down my truck!.....I had a cell phone
on my belt in a leather case but I didnt recieve any calls during this time.
I will in the future leave the phone in the truck in case it was what caused
the spark.....I think it was just static electricty even though the funnel is
or was plastic. The fire cheif later told me not to use the funnel in the future
and to stick the nozzel into the jug and fill it. The cheap plasic gas jugs
were remarkable though! They just vented out the top and the fire never got
out of hand even though the top half of the jug I was filling was gone by the
time the fire was put out...I havnt decided how Im gonna fuel from now on. Suddenly,
that extra 50 cents a gallon for 100LL doesnt seem so high!......Sorry
this story was so long but I hope I might keep this from happening to someone
else...For now, Im off to find that fire extinguisher......Mike
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Subject: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
This is a com!
> mon problem because it is hard to pump the gas slow enough even though I
> have the big 5 gallon per minute "Mr Funnel"....I stop the nozzel for
> about 15 seconds to let the funnel catch up and when I squeeze the nozzel
> again the funnel just lights right up and begins BURNING
You certainly did several things right- nobody was hurt. The problem was the
"Mr. funnel". The gas hoses are grounded with a wire inside the rubber of
the hose. The problem with filling tanks in the back of the trucks is that
they are not grounded. Normally when filling a tank one tried to keep the
metal of the nozzle in contact with the plastic jug. This keeps the grounded
part of the nozzle in contact with the jug, no fire. If it is set on the
ground you should have no problem. "Mr. funnel" circumvents the grounding,
and the slow filtering also increases the static build up. I cannot remember
for sure, but I have heard of a lot of fires when the Mr. funnel has been
used. I personally think the possible benefits gained are far less than the
hazards risked.
Larry C,Oregon
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I fill my red plastic red gas cans all the time at the pump and in my garage. I
always transfer fuel with them on the cement and have never had a problem. During
the winter months, I will ground my hand on the garage door railing to help
discharge any static that might have built up.
I think about this all the time as it could be tragic if they ever caught fire.
Thanks for your post.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
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| Subject: | No checkouts avail at TNK??? |
Gents,
When I sold my Kolb to Steve Simmons in Eastern Tn, He nor I thought getting a
him a checkride in a Kolb would be a problem, since he was an hour or so south
of London and TNK co. To my great suprise he tells me now he called them and
was told they no longer offer flight training or checkrides.
Brother Pike has give the name of a local Ultralite instructor, but he is unable
to do it right now.
Can anyone help us with getting at least a familiarization flight??
An instructor would be good...but possibly a friendly ride with a Kolb pilot to
talk about the Kolb characteristics would be enough. IF not a Kolb then Maybe
even something light and close to a Kolb?
Any kind of help would be appreciated.
I have given him a written description of critical speeds and the flagfly's flight
characteristics, but that of course is nothing like a ride.
I certainly remember , after I got the plane finished, how I wanted a familiarization
flight and John Hauck stopped by here on the way home from OshKosh 3 years
ago and helped me out in this regard, and how I will always be indebted to
him for that. At that time he saved me a long drive to London, (and maybe a
bent gear leg or 2) But at this time even that option is not availbale to Steve
Simmons, the Flagfly's new pilot.
Anybody with any ideas please email me at
donghe@one-eleven.net
or Steve Simmons at :
flightphoto@charter.net
I certainly hope this is a temporary thing at TNK. It seems that manufactureing
and selling aircraft without the ability to give the service of checkrides or
demos would be quite a detriment to new plane sales...not to mention the effect
on the resale of all of our existing aircraft
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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> Normally when filling a tank one tried to keep the
> metal of the nozzle in contact with the plastic jug. This keeps the grounded
> part of the nozzle in contact with the jug, no fire. If it is set on the
> ground you should have no problem.
>
>
> So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can thru the
"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
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So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can thru the
"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
........Sorry,this was my question, not part of the quote..
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Mike thanks for the info on the fire and you were lucky...
I got from a friend of mine a method he uses to fuel his firestar and will
pass it on for what it is worth. It works well for me and also makes sense. I
was having trouble trying to use mr funnel at the gas station filling my 6
gal plastic tanks. The gas came out faster than the funnel would take it. I
now fill plastic can without the funnel, I also add the oil. When I get home I
pour the gas from the 6 gal can into 1 gal. plastic jug, the type that wind
shield washer fluid comes in. I then put the funnel in top of tank in my
firestar and fill from the gallon jug...It sounds like a lot of monkey work but
it
works and easy to do. We still need to know if we should ground the plane
when doing this and it seems to me it would not hurt anything.
jim Swan
firestar ll michigan
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Mike --
>So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can
thru the
>"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
Yes. Static charges can build up on the surface of (usually hard)
plastic containers and can jump from one to another. Keeping constant
contact between all pieces involved is the safest method, eliminating
the chance for static to be different on one part. My guess: When you
stopped fueling and pulled the handle away, a differential in static
developed between the fuel handle and the Mr. Funnel, so when you went
to restart the pumping, static was discharged as the pump nozzle got
close to the Mr. Funnel. If you had left the nozzle in contact with the
Mr. Funnel while you waited for the Mr. Funnel to drain out, the fire
would possibly have been avoided.
Also note that only gasoline vapor is explosive... liquid gasoline will
simply burn, as you witnessed.
-- Robert
<-----Original Message----->
>From: ropermike [ropermike2002@yahoo.com]
>Sent: 6/4/2007 10:08:33 AM
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FIRE!!!!!
>
>
>So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can
thru the
>"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
>
>
>.........Sorry,this was my question, not part of the quote..
>
>--------
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losing!...Mike Hillger
>
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and can jump from one to another. Keeping constant contact between all
pieces involved is the safest method, eliminating the chance for static to be
different on one part. My guess: When you stopped fueling and pulled the handle
away, a differential in static developed between the fuel handle and the Mr.
Funnel, so when you went to restart the pumping, static was discharged as the
pump nozzle got close to the Mr. Funnel. If you had left the nozzle in contact
with the Mr. Funnel while you waited for the Mr. Funnel to drain out, the
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Also note that only gasoline vapor is explosive... liquid gasoline will simply
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| Subject: | Re: No checkouts avail at TNK??? |
When he called last week, he did not ask for a ride, and since I was getting
ready to go out of town, I didn't offer, but I can certainly give him one
now, have him call me.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: No checkouts avail at TNK???
>
> Gents,
> When I sold my Kolb to Steve Simmons in Eastern Tn, He nor I thought
> getting a him a checkride in a Kolb would be a problem, since he was an
> hour or so south of London and TNK co. To my great suprise he tells me now
> he called them and was told they no longer offer flight training or
> checkrides.
> Brother Pike has give the name of a local Ultralite instructor, but he is
> unable to do it right now.
> Can anyone help us with getting at least a familiarization flight??
> An instructor would be good...but possibly a friendly ride with a Kolb
> pilot to talk about the Kolb characteristics would be enough. IF not a
> Kolb then Maybe even something light and close to a Kolb?
> Any kind of help would be appreciated.
> I have given him a written description of critical speeds and the
> flagfly's flight characteristics, but that of course is nothing like a
> ride.
> I certainly remember , after I got the plane finished, how I wanted a
> familiarization flight and John Hauck stopped by here on the way home from
> OshKosh 3 years ago and helped me out in this regard, and how I will
> always be indebted to him for that. At that time he saved me a long drive
> to London, (and maybe a bent gear leg or 2) But at this time even that
> option is not availbale to Steve Simmons, the Flagfly's new pilot.
>
> Anybody with any ideas please email me at
> donghe@one-eleven.net
>
> or Steve Simmons at :
> flightphoto@charter.net
>
> I certainly hope this is a temporary thing at TNK. It seems that
> manufactureing and selling aircraft without the ability to give the
> service of checkrides or demos would be quite a detriment to new plane
> sales...not to mention the effect on the resale of all of our existing
> aircraft
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116357#116357
>
>
>
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I fill up the same red plastic jugs also for my Kolb. Its amazing how static electricity
could do that, but im guessing maybe the static built up durring filling
and possibly sent a small discharge from the nozzle to the metal screen
in the MR Funnel which could have started the fire ??? Understanding the possible
causes of this could help others prevent this in the future....
Cellphones will not start a fire at a gas station, that is a wives tale that has
been well covered on mythbusters, and also by statistics and science. There
is no arcing or static buildup occuring anywhere in a cellphone, not even durring
a call. The explanation lies somewhere else.
Anyways, I think the fire cheif was on the right track, it seems like a good idea
not to use the MR Funnel while fueling, and I will make sure I park far away
from the plastic cans I am filling. Thanks for posting, it is something that
I never worried about happening by simply filling a jug, but in the future
I will be much more careful.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: No checkouts avail at TNK??? |
I`ve got a MK-3 C that I will probably be able to help with Later this
summer, for people that have purchased a Kolb Aircraft. I am a CFII but I am
Not offering instruction in it. I know this doesn`t help now, but I`ve got
4 more hours & some tweaking to do before I`m available for rides. Also to
anyone thinking of contacting me about it later, I won`t be doing
demonstration rides for people "thinking about buying a Kolb", just for
those who already Own one. Jim
---- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No checkouts avail at TNK???
>
> When he called last week, he did not ask for a ride, and since I was
> getting ready to go out of town, I didn't offer, but I can certainly give
> him one now, have him call me.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:33 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: No checkouts avail at TNK???
>
>
>>
>> Gents,
>> When I sold my Kolb to Steve Simmons in Eastern Tn, He nor I thought
>> getting a him a checkride in a Kolb would be a problem, since he was an
>> hour or so south of London and TNK co. To my great suprise he tells me
>> now he called them and was told they no longer offer flight training or
>> checkrides.
>> Brother Pike has give the name of a local Ultralite instructor, but he is
>> unable to do it right now.
>> Can anyone help us with getting at least a familiarization flight??
>> An instructor would be good...but possibly a friendly ride with a Kolb
>> pilot to talk about the Kolb characteristics would be enough. IF not a
>> Kolb then Maybe even something light and close to a Kolb?
>> Any kind of help would be appreciated.
>> I have given him a written description of critical speeds and the
>> flagfly's flight characteristics, but that of course is nothing like a
>> ride.
>> I certainly remember , after I got the plane finished, how I wanted a
>> familiarization flight and John Hauck stopped by here on the way home
>> from OshKosh 3 years ago and helped me out in this regard, and how I
>> will always be indebted to him for that. At that time he saved me a long
>> drive to London, (and maybe a bent gear leg or 2) But at this time even
>> that option is not availbale to Steve Simmons, the Flagfly's new pilot.
>>
>> Anybody with any ideas please email me at
>> donghe@one-eleven.net
>>
>> or Steve Simmons at :
>> flightphoto@charter.net
>>
>> I certainly hope this is a temporary thing at TNK. It seems that
>> manufactureing and selling aircraft without the ability to give the
>> service of checkrides or demos would be quite a detriment to new plane
>> sales...not to mention the effect on the resale of all of our existing
>> aircraft
>>
>> --------
>> Don G.
>> Central Illinois
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Luscombe 8A
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116357#116357
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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This is a reply from one of the guys about the fire this dumb ass had.
Basically he says...lose the fuckin' Mr. Funnel bullshit.
In a message dated 6/4/2007 9:31:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes:
You certainly did several things right- nobody was hurt. The problem was the
"Mr. funnel". The gas hoses are grounded with a wire inside the rubber of
the hose. The problem with filling tanks in the back of the trucks is that
they are not grounded. Normally when filling a tank one tried to keep the
metal of the nozzle in contact with the plastic jug. This keeps the grounded
part of the nozzle in contact with the jug, no fire. If it is set on the
ground you should have no problem. "Mr. funnel" circumvents the grounding,
and the slow filtering also increases the static build up. I cannot remember
for sure, but I have heard of a lot of fires when the Mr. funnel has been
used. I personally think the possible benefits gained are far less than the
hazards risked.
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Clean up your mouth. This list is not a haven for gratuitous vulgarity.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Blumax008@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
This is a reply from one of the guys about the fire this dumb ass had.
Basically he says...lose the fuckin' Mr. Funnel bullshit.
In a message dated 6/4/2007 9:31:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes:
You certainly did several things right- nobody was hurt. The problem
was the
"Mr. funnel". The gas hoses are grounded with a wire inside the
rubber of
the hose. The problem with filling tanks in the back of the trucks
is that
they are not grounded. Normally when filling a tank one tried to
keep the
metal of the nozzle in contact with the plastic jug. This keeps the
grounded
part of the nozzle in contact with the jug, no fire. If it is set on
the
ground you should have no problem. "Mr. funnel" circumvents the
grounding,
and the slow filtering also increases the static build up. I cannot
remember
for sure, but I have heard of a lot of fires when the Mr. funnel has
been
used. I personally think the possible benefits gained are far less
than the
hazards risked.
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| Subject: | Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! |
If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times...get rid of the crap.
The after market crap everyone & their brother throws on the market of any
sport appearing anywhere. Keep it simple. Believe me, with 30 years experience
in
the sport behind me, your little Rotax or whatever will not know the
difference if you've slightly miscalculated the mixing procedure or even if you've
gotten a bit of trash or water in the son of a bitch. That's what the in-line
filter is designed to do.
I've even run my 503 accidentally with NO oil for 5 gallons with no
problems...just a little higher than normal temp. Just lose the crap like Mr.
Funnel
and all the rest of the unnecessary bullshit that they tell you that you
can't live without! Better yet, don't buy the crap in the first place. I'd go
so
far as to tell you to lose that expensive stupid ass overpriced parachute
that you never use. In 30 years I've done some pretty radical crap in
ultralights & never had to use one. Not to mention the expense of having it repacked.
"Don't drink, don't smoke, don't chase women, live an extra two years & die
anyway!" Greatest bumper sticker I ever saw in my life. So what if you're
wing falls off...we're all going to die in a few years anyway! SAVE YOUR MONEY!
Spend it on liquor & women! Live a little with the time you've got left!
Spend time in the air & not on the internet BUYING CRAP YOU'LL NEVER NEED OR USE!
Get rid of the CRAP!
You old timers like me out there will remember when you could ride your
bicycle with nothing more on than a pair of cutoffs. If you fell off in the
gravel & skinned the shit out of your knee it was your dumb ass luck & you learned
a damn good lesson. Now you've got to have these stupid as hell looking
crash helmets, special bicycling shorts & tops, special gloves & sunglasses,
heart rate monitors, stopwatches etc. Anyone seen the latest idiots paddling
Kayaks nowadays? You'd think they were on an around the world trip...non-stop!
The most absolutely rediculous example of this was in the Virgin Islands
when I actually witnessed a SCUBA diver DROWNING under the weight of all the
crap he was trying to swim with!
DON'T BUY THE CRAP IN THE FIRST PLACE...
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| Subject: | Re: English/American |
<<one can get a private or even commercial pilot's certificate in the US
even if he/she is stone deaf>>
Hi Thom,
a point I had never considered. I don`t know if its the same here. Your way
sounds too much of a common sense approach for us.
Its a problem I may have to face. Changes of pressure though scuba diving,
the same with gliding and ul flying plus playing drums in a jazz band for a
good many years have certainly taken its toll on my hearing according to
Wendy.. WHAT DID YOU SAY DEAR?
I am surprised about the non controlled airfields proportion in the States.
We have this image that everything in the States is superbly oganised and
efficient not like the bumbling, amateur English. I think most places even
pretending to be an airfield here have someone on the ground answering radio
calls. Probably not actually Controlling anything but giving landing info.
Plenty of farm strips with just PPR only Of course we have only just
started the Unicom system which you have had for years.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: English/American |
<< Sorry to the List in general, but I'm not the only one here who finds
your continued 'US-bashing' offensive. Our two countries have different
ways to meet aircraft safety requirements ... Ed in JXN >>
I did not interpret Pat's comparison of UK versus US aircraft cert rules
as "US-Bashing." No where once did Pat suggest that their system in
England is better than the way aircraft are certified in the United
States.
It was interesting to me to learn the differences, and makes me continue
to appreciate the system (even with all its imperfections) and freedoms
we have here in America when it comes to building & flying our
homebuilts.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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Right on Richard! I forwarded these to Matt. Let's see what happens.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Pike
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
Clean up your mouth. This list is not a haven for gratuitous
vulgarity.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Blumax008@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
This is a reply from one of the guys about the fire this dumb ass
had. Basically he says...lose the fuckin' Mr. Funnel bullshit.
In a message dated 6/4/2007 9:31:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes:
You certainly did several things right- nobody was hurt. The
problem was the
"Mr. funnel". The gas hoses are grounded with a wire inside the
rubber of
the hose. The problem with filling tanks in the back of the trucks
is that
they are not grounded. Normally when filling a tank one tried to
keep the
metal of the nozzle in contact with the plastic jug. This keeps
the grounded
part of the nozzle in contact with the jug, no fire. If it is set
on the
ground you should have no problem. "Mr. funnel" circumvents the
grounding,
and the slow filtering also increases the static build up. I
cannot remember
for sure, but I have heard of a lot of fires when the Mr. funnel
has been
used. I personally think the possible benefits gained are far less
than the
hazards risked.
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| Subject: | Our similar differences |
After reading todays posts, I'm a little confused.....BlueMax is on a
blue streak.....fuel poured into a funnel "down under" is just going to
fall right out of the cans anyway, unless they're held upside
down.....and the americans and british are two peoples divided by a
common language, apparently. Blue, I agree with what you say, but a
little put off by the manner of speech.
Pat, I 'ave the greatest respect for your insightful postings...carry
on! ...and oh, mike, so glad you did not join the ranks of the
"screaming Alpha" (sailor jargon for those ablaze).. God, I love this
place!!!
......Jim and Jackalope (under
destruction) in Az
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Last year Bill Catalina, the Blue Max, was going to unsubscribe because we
didn't put up with his adult words. Is this the same person?
_http://www.flythecoast.com/_ (http://www.flythecoast.com/)
In a message dated 6/4/2007 1:24:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
flykolb@wowway.com writes:
Right on Richard! I forwarded these to Matt. Let's see what happens.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: _Richard Pike_ (mailto:richard@bcchapel.org)
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
Clean up your mouth. This list is not a haven for gratuitous vulgarity.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! |
Blumax
I really don't think any of the Kolb-ers need, or want, you superb
advice on just about everything. Esp. with your choice of adjectives.
How 'bout going away?
Most sincerely,
Russ Kinne
On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Blumax008@aol.com wrote:
> If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times...get rid of the
> crap. The after market crap everyone & their brother throws on the
> market of any sport appearing anywhere. Keep it simple. Believe me,
> with 30 years experience in the sport behind me, your little Rotax
> or whatever will not know the difference if you've slightly
> miscalculated the mixing procedure or even if you've gotten a bit
> of trash or water in the son of a bitch. That's what the in-line
> filter is designed to do.
>
> I've even run my 503 accidentally with NO oil for 5 gallons with no
> problems...just a little higher than normal temp. Just lose the
> crap like Mr. Funnel and all the rest of the unnecessary bullshit
> that they tell you that you can't live without! Better yet, don't
> buy the crap in the first place. I'd go so far as to tell you to
> lose that expensive stupid ass overpriced parachute that you never
> use. In 30 years I've done some pretty radical crap in ultralights
> & never had to use one. Not to mention the expense of having it
> repacked.
>
> "Don't drink, don't smoke, don't chase women, live an extra two
> years & die anyway!" Greatest bumper sticker I ever saw in my life.
> So what if you're wing falls off...we're all going to die in a few
> years anyway! SAVE YOUR MONEY! Spend it on liquor & women! Live a
> little with the time you've got left! Spend time in the air & not
> on the internet BUYING CRAP YOU'LL NEVER NEED OR USE! Get rid of
> the CRAP!
>
> You old timers like me out there will remember when you could ride
> your bicycle with nothing more on than a pair of cutoffs. If you
> fell off in the gravel & skinned the shit out of your knee it was
> your dumb ass luck & you learned a damn good lesson. Now you've got
> to have these stupid as hell looking crash helmets, special
> bicycling shorts & tops, special gloves & sunglasses, heart rate
> monitors, stopwatches etc. Anyone seen the latest idiots paddling
> Kayaks nowadays? You'd think they were on an around the world
> trip...non-stop!
>
> The most absolutely rediculous example of this was in the Virgin
> Islands when I actually witnessed a SCUBA diver DROWNING under the
> weight of all the crap he was trying to swim with!
>
> DON'T BUY THE CRAP IN THE FIRST PLACE...
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
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Sure looks like it - "Blumax"="Blie max" ? Looking to cause trouble on
the list?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: FS2Kolb@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
Last year Bill Catalina, the Blue Max, was going to unsubscribe
because we didn't put up with his adult words. Is this the same person?
http://www.flythecoast.com/
In a message dated 6/4/2007 1:24:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
flykolb@wowway.com writes:
Right on Richard! I forwarded these to Matt. Let's see what happens.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Pike
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
Clean up your mouth. This list is not a haven for gratuitous
vulgarity.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Regarding MV, I would be willing to bet NO ONE came so close to going, but
didn't than me!! As I have mentioned in the past, I am building a shop
(for building airplanes) and a pool and 40 sq yards of RV parking at my new
home in SW Utah. I am almost finished, and the afternnon of the 18th of May
I was busy chasing around town looking for some special shaped flashing for
my roofing crew that was showing up on the 19th to get started roofing my
shop. I finally found the flashing at 5:00 Friday afternoon. After eating
dinner and what-not I didn't finish my flight planning until 11:45 Friday
night. I was whipped!! I then got up at 5:00 am, with intentions on going,
but I was SO tired I couldn't see straight! I do not fly under these
conditions....period. So, as it turns out, I was about as close to making
it as anyone can get, but no ceegar!! And I probably live the closest, for
crying out loud!!!
So, it is with deep appreciation I salute those you that did make it to
Monument Valley! I know many of you really went to a lot more trouble than
I would have to to make it.....and you did!!
I missed an easy opportunity to fly and meet a bunch of you nice people,
and put it off until the last minute, and then couldn't make it. I even
talked to Arty and Pat Ladd (on the phone) and told them I was planning on
making it.
I will be there next year, and I will be flying my plane (Kolb).
Realizing I miissed out big
time, Mike in SW Utah
>From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
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| Subject: | Re: English/American |
Not trying to disagree with anyone, or make things any worse, but from
what I saw (read), Pat
simply pointed out the "differences between the US and Great Brittain. I
didn't get the feeling he was trying to show us up at all. In fact, if
anything, I get the impression he felt we here in the US have it a little
easier than they do in GB.
Thanks for the patriotism, Ed, but I wasn't left with the impression that
Pat was "disrespecting"
us. Mike in SW Utah
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Jim -
You write that you fill your 6 gal. gas can at the gas
station and add oil, and later run the entire mixture
through Mr. Funnel. I've been told that the Mr.
Funnel manufacturer states that it works only with
gasoline - not with a gas-oil mixture. I can't find
the source. Anyone have any info about this?
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
--- Arksey@aol.com wrote:
> Mike thanks for the info on the fire and you were
> lucky...
> I got from a friend of mine a method he uses to
> fuel his firestar and will
> pass it on for what it is worth. It works well for
> me and also makes sense. I
> was having trouble trying to use mr funnel at the
> gas station filling my 6
> gal plastic tanks. The gas came out faster than the
> funnel would take it. I
> now fill plastic can without the funnel, I also add
> the oil. When I get home I
> pour the gas from the 6 gal can into 1 gal. plastic
> jug, the type that wind
> shield washer fluid comes in. I then put the funnel
> in top of tank in my
> firestar and fill from the gallon jug...It sounds
> like a lot of monkey work but it
> works and easy to do. We still need to know if we
> should ground the plane
> when doing this and it seems to me it would not hurt
> anything.
>
> jim Swan
> firestar ll michigan
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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At 10:22 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
><thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
>
>Jim -
>
>You write that you fill your 6 gal. gas can at the gas
>station and add oil, and later run the entire mixture
>through Mr. Funnel. I've been told that the Mr.
>Funnel manufacturer states that it works only with
>gasoline - not with a gas-oil mixture. I can't find
>the source. Anyone have any info about this?
>
>Arty Trost
http://www.mrfunnel.com/Mr.%20Funnel/FAQ.html
Q. Will the filter work on mixed fuel with 2-cycle oil in it?
A. Yes, but if your 2-cycle oil has a detergent base the detergents
can break down molecules of water and some water might pass the
screen. Usually only a drop or two but if you are concerned, filter
the fuel a second time because unless the sump is full of water, it
is not possible that any water passed the filter.
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Arty et al:
For what it is worth, I have been using the method Jim describes for 15
years and have never had a problem. In addition to what Jim describes, I
hold the gallon jug up to the light before I pour it through the funnel. If
there is water, it will be visible in the bottom of the gallon jug. Even a
very small amount. As Jim says, it seems like "monkey work", but I haven't
found the extra effort a problem.
As for the 2 cycle mix messing up the Mr. Funnel.....From the FAQ page of
their web site ( <http://www.mrfunnel.com/FAQ.html>
http://www.mrfunnel.com/FAQ.html )
Q. Will the filter work on mixed fuel with 2-cycle oil in it?
A. Yes, but if your 2-cycle oil has a detergent base the detergents can
break down molecules of water and some water might pass the screen. Usually
only a drop or two but if you are concerned, filter the fuel a second time
because unless the sump is full of water, it is not possible that any water
passed the filter.
To minimize the chance of static discharge, whether at the pump or at the
plane, I make sure that all components involved in the transfer process are
in constant contact with each other from start to finish. When filling my
cans, the nozzle rests against the neck of the can and I hold the can with
my free hand. When filling the plane, I steady the Mr. Funnel with the free
hand and the mouth of the gallon jug rests on the lip of the Mr. Funnel. My
body ties all the components together, electrically.
As Beauford would say...... Worth what you paid for it!
George Alexander
<http://gtalexander.home.att.net> http://gtalexander.home.att.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [
<mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TheWanderingWench
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fire!!!
--> <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
Jim -
You write that you fill your 6 gal. gas can at the gas station and add oil,
and later run the entire mixture through Mr. Funnel. I've been told that
the Mr.
Funnel manufacturer states that it works only with gasoline - not with a
gas-oil mixture. I can't find the source. Anyone have any info about this?
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
--- Arksey@aol.com wrote:
> Mike thanks for the info on the fire and you were lucky...
> I got from a friend of mine a method he uses to fuel his firestar
> and will pass it on for what it is worth. It works well for me and
> also makes sense. I was having trouble trying to use mr funnel at the
> gas station filling my 6 gal plastic tanks. The gas came out faster
> than the funnel would take it. I now fill plastic can without the
> funnel, I also add the oil. When I get home I pour the gas from the 6
> gal can into 1 gal. plastic jug, the type that wind shield washer
> fluid comes in. I then put the funnel in top of tank in my firestar
> and fill from the gallon jug...It sounds like a lot of monkey work
> but it works and easy to do. We still need to know if we should ground
> the plane when doing this and it seems to me it would not hurt
> anything.
>
> jim Swan
> firestar ll michigan
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Firestar for sale |
A friend of mine is selling his Firestar, I have flown it and it is a nice little
airplane, it has a good running 447 with 300 hours on it. I know the original
builder, he did a good job on it. Somewhere during it's early life it suffered
some leading edge damage on one wing, the L/E tube, and was properly repaired.
It still has the original paint and fabric, has gone through a couple owners prior
to it's present owner, and is presently looking a bit less than sharp, but
I think it needs only cosmetics and being owned by someone who has dope/fabric
skills and wants to take the trouble to spruce it up. If I did not have my MKIII,
I would get it.
Not sure if it can be made part 103 legal, it certainly flies like something that
weighs less than 300 pounds. It does have hydraulic brakes. The BRS chute is
out of currency and needs repacking but is included. It is located about fifteen
miles south west of Johnson City, Tn.
Asking price is $6,500.00
Contact Sherrill Phillips
423-257-3280
423-737-7317
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
PS - tried to post this ad earlier and messed something up. Hope it doesn't end
up getting posted twice... sigh
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| Subject: | Re: No checkouts avail at TNK??? |
In a message dated 6/4/2007 9:34:14 AM Central Standard Time,
donghe@one-eleven.net writes:
> I certainly hope this is a temporary thing at TNK. It seems that
> manufactureing and selling aircraft without the ability to give the service of
> checkrides or demos would be quite a detriment to new plane sales...not to mention
> the effect on the resale of all of our existing aircraft
>
> Don,
> I had a similar problem before I flew my Firefly the first flight! The best
> I could do was an hour in a champ. Guess that was adequate as I havent bent
> a leg YET. It is not what I recommend but was the best I could do, as I could
> not find a Kolber in the Houston area to fly with . At least get some time
> in a tail dragger.
>
> Ed FF#62 do not archive
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