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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Re: UK Regs (pat ladd)
2. 03:12 AM - Re: Monument Valley (pat ladd)
3. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: UK Regs (Dana Hague)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: Re: UK Regs (pat ladd)
5. 04:59 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (ropermike)
6. 05:41 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (David Lucas)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! (olendorf)
8. 06:12 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (WillUribe@aol.com)
9. 06:21 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (olendorf)
10. 06:37 AM - Re: Firestar for sale (robert bean)
11. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: FIRE!!!!! (russ kinne)
12. 06:54 AM - Re: fire!!! (Arty) (Arksey@aol.com)
13. 09:14 AM - MV2007 (John Hauck)
14. 12:38 PM - Re: MV2007 (russ kinne)
15. 01:37 PM - Re: MV2007 (John Hauck)
16. 02:08 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty)
17. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (John Hauck)
18. 05:39 PM - Re: MV2007 (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
19. 05:51 PM - Re: MV2007 (John Hauck)
20. 08:21 PM - Re: MV2007 (Larry Cottrell)
21. 09:21 PM - Wings needed (Mark Shimei)
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On the 30th of April the CAA issued an exemption,>>
Hi George,
that looks like the same stuff that I was referring to but I [picked it
up from another source.
Incidentally, do you have to have a Noise Certificate in the US.? I bet
you don`t
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
NO ONE came so close to going,>>
Hi Mike
Good try. Hard luck. Sounds as though the fact that we only made contact
over the phone was a plus. If I had been able to actually call you wouldn`t
have got even close to going to MV.
I had no idea that when I rang you, beer in hand, from the quiet of a log
cabin in Zion Canyon, that you were rushing round like the proverbial blue
assed fly trying to get ready to fly.
You will have the opportunity to make it next year, take it. . I,
unfortunately will not. Maybe in a couple of years I might make Homers fly
in. Something to look forward to.
Cheers
Pat.
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At 06:00 AM 6/5/2007, pat ladd wrote:
>
>that looks like the same stuff that I was referring to but I [picked it up
>from another source.
>
>Incidentally, do you have to have a Noise Certificate in the US.? I bet
>you don`t
I'm guessing that your exemption is similar to the "foot launch exemption"
that your PPG and PHG guys have been operating under for years now?
Nope, no noise certificate required here. No minimum altitude, either,
under Part 103 :) ... though an ultralight can't fly over any "congested
area" at ANY altitude.
-Dana
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other 10 percent look bad.
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'm guessing that your exemption is similar to the "foot launch
exemption"
that your PPG and PHG guys have been operating under for years now?
Nope, no noise certificate required here. No minimum altitude, either,
under Part 103 :) ... though an ultralight can't fly over any "congested
area" at ANY altitude.>>
Hi Dana,
I wouldn`t know about that. I turned my back firmly against any `foot
launching` after breaking my leg hang gliding many years ago. This
Single Seat Deregulation is a whole new ball game for us and as I am not
going to change my Xtra in for a singhle seater I have not been
following the details.
Re noise cert. A new type of plane or new plane /engine combination HAS
to have a noise test carried out.This certification then applies to all
similar set ups. As the new SSDereg. is expected to produce a series of
different planes/combinations a Noise Cert. will have to be issued to
each one. We think our noise levels are difficult to get down to but
the Germans rules are a lot tougher.
We have no lower height limit except the usual `congested area` rule.
Some countries, Holland I think, have maximum height rules, some have
minimum height rules. It is a mess which is gradually being sorted out
now that we are all members of the European Union. (Oh Yeah!)
Basically we operate under exactly the same rules as GA which seems
pretty sensible to me. Why complicate things?
Pat
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Thanks for all your advice, well, allmost all of it!....I have decided that I will
buy me another "Mr Funnel" and keep filling the way I'm filling now except
I will make a simple ground wire with three clamps and connect the nozzel handle,
jug, and funnel before I start. I will also have a fire extinguisher handy..........As
for Blumax, I dont appreciate being called a dumbass but I'm not
gonna lose any sleep over it! Since your into bumperstickers, I've got one for
you and it fits you perfectlly! Jesus loves you! But everyone else thinks your
an ASSHOLE!
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Re grounding and sparks, I can recall a briefing some years back where the lecturer
told us that when you fill your car at the gas station as you put the nozzle
into the filler point that more often than not a small spark is created as
the two items come together. The saving grace is that; A) the spark is very weak
and B) the fumes in the nozzle area are too rich for the fuel to ignite. Technicaly
speaking each vehicle should be grounded with a ground wire to Earth
and the Pump before refueling starts but from a practical point of view nobody
would do it and the risk is so small it is accepted. Sobering thought eh ?
David.
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| Subject: | Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! |
Russ says "BlumaxI really don't think any of the Kolb-ers need, or want, you superb
advice on just about everything. Esp. with your choice of adjectives.
How 'bout going away?"
Bluemax, I kinda liked it. [Laughing]
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Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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_Click here: YouTube - Gas Station Fire With Rescue_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSr7vyXXo4)
Hi Mike,
Happy to hear no harm was done, unlike the man on this video.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ropermike
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
Hello fellow Kolbers. I read your forum regularly and rarely have anything
to contribute but I want to tell you what happened to me Saturday!
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I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax and it caught on
fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap back on his airplane tank really
fast and no more fire. I was impressed.
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Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar for sale |
That sure is a nice little airplane for the price. If I didn't
already have a plane I'd consider it, AND
woulda saved about 10 bizzillion hours of building. :)
Speaking of which, I've been flying with the new doors and really
love it. It doesn't have that strange
uncomfortable sensation at fast cruise anymore, I do believe that I
can actually unfold
a sectional without it being sucked overboard. Maybe even faster now
but that has yet to be measured.
BB, MkIII, suzuki G10 with antique VW carb, powerfin, ....and doors
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RIGHT ON , ROPERMIKE !!
On Jun 5, 2007, at 7:53 AM, ropermike wrote:
>
> Thanks for all your advice, well, allmost all of it!....I have
> decided that I will buy me another "Mr Funnel" and keep filling the
> way I'm filling now except I will make a simple ground wire with
> three clamps and connect the nozzel handle, jug, and funnel before
> I start. I will also have a fire extinguisher handy..........As for
> Blumax, I dont appreciate being called a dumbass but I'm not gonna
> lose any sleep over it! Since your into bumperstickers, I've got
> one for you and it fits you perfectlly! Jesus loves you! But
> everyone else thinks your an ASSHOLE!
>
> --------
> The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and
> losing!...Mike Hillger
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116609#116609
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fire!!! (Arty) |
In a message dated 6/4/2007 10:26:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
thewanderingwench@yahoo.com writes:
You write that you fill your 6 gal. gas can at the gas
station and add oil, and later run the entire mixture
through Mr. Funnel. I've been told that the Mr.
Funnel manufacturer states that it works only with
gasoline - not with a gas-oil mixture
Hello Arty,
I thought the same as you, that gas mixed with oil would ruin the mr
funnel. I met
George Alexander this last winter in Florida, i got the fueling method from
him and now I see he posted the answer to your question. So you got it from
the horse's mouth. It works well for me and makes me feel like I have done the
best I can to protect myself from fuel contamination. Thanks again George.
Arty also thanks to you and all the rest for the interesting info on the
trip to MV.
Good for you for making the trip....
jim swan firestar ll michigan
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Morning Gang:
A few photos of my recent flight to MV2007 and beyond. I'll try to do
a couple a day to give you some idea of the flight.
Steven Green, mkIII, just west of Russellville, AR, where we spent the
night in the FBO, which was opened up for us to use, plus the courtesy
car. In the back ground is a nuclear power plant. Gives one some
idea of how large the plant is compared to an aircraft with a 30 foot
wing span.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_001.JPG
My early morning flight at MV:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_015.JPG
Got to have an early morning silhouette:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_031.JPG
Lake Powell from a Kolb:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_045.JPG
Interesting rock formations in Southern Utah or Northern Arizona:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_051.JPG
Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, is rather salty:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_068.JPG
The Kolbra and mkIII resting near the black line, Bonneville:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_070.JPG
John Williamson and the Kolbra on short, short final, McDermott,
Oregon:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_087.JPG
A quick stop off at the Alvord Dessert prior to arrival at the Rock
House:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_098.JPG
Fun flying on the Alvord:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_112.JPG
John W flying the Owyhee River Canyon:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_116.JPG
John W taking off from the Owyhee Reservoir State Airport, Oregon:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_137.JPG
Flying from the Rock House over to Rome, OR, for fuel, auto fuel that
is:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_146.JPG
Fill'er up:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_147.JPG
Ha! I beat the 18 wheeler to the gas pump:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_148.JPG
Three musketeers on the Alvord, John W, Larry C, and Miss P'fer:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_151.JPG
Home of Larry and Karen Cottrell, the Rock House in SE Oregon dessert:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_160.JPG
I theenk I got mooned. Three of the four musketeers, now includes
Roger Hankins, Grants Pass, OR:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_169.JPG
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_172.JPG
Miss P'fer (P fer plane) got fancy with her foot work. Can you figure
it out?
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_177.JPG
Larry and Roger on the Alvord:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_186.JPG
High plains and snow just west of Jack Pot, Nevada:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_197.JPG
Jack Pot airport and the casinos. Catus Pete's owned the RV park and
their casino was right next to the parking pad and gas pump. Had
lunch here in the casino. Was reasonable and excellent:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_198.JPG
Great Salt Lake, UT:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_206.JPG
Walden, Colorado, where I spent the first night on the way home to
Alabama. Condensation from my breath froze on the inside of my tent
that night. Elevation was 8,250 feet ASL:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_220.JPG
Beautiful, peaceful morning in NW Arkansas, my last morning of four on
the way home to Alabama. I departed Neosho, MO, at 0610 that morning,
a record for me and Miss P'fer:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_222.JPG
Rice paddies in Mississippi. This photo was shot for Jim Hefner's
wife who misses trees, water, and rice paddies:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_227.JPG
You know you are getting near home when you cross the mighty
Mississippi. This particular tow is pushing 27 barges. That is a
big'un:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_229.JPG
Well, I fooled myself and completed the flight in one sitting.
Hope you enjoy looking at the photos as much as I enjoyed my flight.
john h
mkIII
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John, Thanks for sharing. Your pix make me drool!
Russ Kinne
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On Jun 5, 2007, at 12:05 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Morning Gang:
>
> A few photos of my recent flight to MV2007 and beyond. I'll try to do
> a couple a day to give you some idea of the flight.
>
> Steven Green, mkIII, just west of Russellville, AR, where we spent the
> night in the FBO, which was opened up for us to use, plus the courtesy
> car. In the back ground is a nuclear power plant. Gives one some
> idea of how large the plant is compared to an aircraft with a 30 foot
> wing span.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_001.JPG
>
> My early morning flight at MV:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_015.JPG
>
> Got to have an early morning silhouette:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_031.JPG
>
> Lake Powell from a Kolb:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_045.JPG
>
> Interesting rock formations in Southern Utah or Northern Arizona:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_051.JPG
>
> Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, is rather salty:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_068.JPG
>
> The Kolbra and mkIII resting near the black line, Bonneville:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_070.JPG
>
> John Williamson and the Kolbra on short, short final, McDermott,
> Oregon:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_087.JPG
>
> A quick stop off at the Alvord Dessert prior to arrival at the Rock
> House:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_098.JPG
>
> Fun flying on the Alvord:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_112.JPG
>
> John W flying the Owyhee River Canyon:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_116.JPG
>
> John W taking off from the Owyhee Reservoir State Airport, Oregon:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_137.JPG
>
> Flying from the Rock House over to Rome, OR, for fuel, auto fuel that
> is:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_146.JPG
>
> Fill'er up:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_147.JPG
>
> Ha! I beat the 18 wheeler to the gas pump:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_148.JPG
>
> Three musketeers on the Alvord, John W, Larry C, and Miss P'fer:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_151.JPG
>
> Home of Larry and Karen Cottrell, the Rock House in SE Oregon dessert:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_160.JPG
>
> I theenk I got mooned. Three of the four musketeers, now includes
> Roger Hankins, Grants Pass, OR:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_169.JPG
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_172.JPG
>
> Miss P'fer (P fer plane) got fancy with her foot work. Can you figure
> it out?
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_177.JPG
>
> Larry and Roger on the Alvord:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_186.JPG
>
> High plains and snow just west of Jack Pot, Nevada:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_197.JPG
>
> Jack Pot airport and the casinos. Catus Pete's owned the RV park and
> their casino was right next to the parking pad and gas pump. Had
> lunch here in the casino. Was reasonable and excellent:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_198.JPG
>
> Great Salt Lake, UT:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_206.JPG
>
> Walden, Colorado, where I spent the first night on the way home to
> Alabama. Condensation from my breath froze on the inside of my tent
> that night. Elevation was 8,250 feet ASL:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_220.JPG
>
> Beautiful, peaceful morning in NW Arkansas, my last morning of four on
> the way home to Alabama. I departed Neosho, MO, at 0610 that morning,
> a record for me and Miss P'fer:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_222.JPG
>
> Rice paddies in Mississippi. This photo was shot for Jim Hefner's
> wife who misses trees, water, and rice paddies:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_227.JPG
>
> You know you are getting near home when you cross the mighty
> Mississippi. This particular tow is pushing 27 barges. That is a
> big'un:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_229.JPG
>
> Well, I fooled myself and completed the flight in one sitting.
>
> Hope you enjoy looking at the photos as much as I enjoyed my flight.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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| Russ Kinne
Hi Russ:
Somehow, I thought drooling was a normal product of old age. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Well gang Ms Dixie recived her registration as of today! Only problem is they listed
TNK as the MFG and not me so after a phone call they (FAA) said no problem
they would make the changes and issue a new registration and send it to me
ASAP. I dont know about you guys/gals but once you get them on the phone they
are a real pleasure to work with.
Next is moving her to KLUL and let the fun begin!
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http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=408CP
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Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Final assembly!
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Great news Paul!
You and Charley will be flying before you know it.
Good luck,
john h
mkIII
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In a message dated 6/5/2007 12:15:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Miss P'fer (P fer plane) got fancy with her foot work. Can you figure
it out?
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_177.JPG
Yeah John, I got it figured. I think! You came forward using the left set
of tracks, made a sharp turn to the right, probably using your right brake to
help. The left wheel continued in a nice arc, while the right wheel stayed
still, even going backwards a foot or two, then all wheels going away and
curving to the right to your final parking position.
Was I right?
Some beautiful pictures you have there. Thanks for sharing.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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Bill:
I think you got it. ;-)
Notice the black rubber on the lake bed where I locked up the right
brake.......
john h
mkIII
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----- Original Message -----
From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV2007
In a message dated 6/5/2007 12:15:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Miss P'fer (P fer plane) got fancy with her foot work. Can you
figure
it out?
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_177.JPG
Yeah John, I got it figured. I think!
Bill,
Take a close look at the video that I took of John landing and you
see how it is made.
Larry C
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8252079461989792144
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Thanks to the kind people that have e-mailed me. I am still looking for
someone closer to Florida with a set of Ultrastar wings(or the whole plane
less eng).I have determined that the early firestar wings will be a little
too heavy. Got the chance to talk to Ellery, George Alexander, Tim Cowan,
and Jeremy Casey. What a great bunch of people!! Mark
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