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1. 06:51 AM - Fly-in to Homer's (Terry)
2. 07:08 AM - Re: Fly-in to Homer's (John Hauck)
3. 08:28 AM - Looking for MV photos of Drifters departing (TheWanderingWench)
4. 08:36 AM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (JetPilot)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Looking for MV photos of Drifters departing (JetPilot)
6. 08:45 AM - Re: MV2007 (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
7. 12:46 PM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (olendorf)
8. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: FIRE!!!!! (Charlie England)
9. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: FIRE!!!!! (Larry Cottrell)
10. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: Fly-in to Homer's (Terry)
11. 05:40 PM - Re: FIRE!!!!! (Carl Radcliffe)
12. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: FIRE!!!!! (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Fly-in to Homer's |
Gentlemen,
Latest update to the list of those going to Homer's on the 16th. I will
be contacting Homer tomorrow with a count.
Again for those flying there:
Co-ordinates: N 40 deg 09' 36.3" Also you can check,
Airnav.com for more information.
W 075 deg 32' 46.6"
John Hauck gave the address for those driving there, so you should be
able to look it up on a mapping program.
"Add your name if it's not listed". Please let me know if you have a
change of plans!
Those that said they are coming:
Gene Zimmerman
John Hauck
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Earl Zimmerman
Eddy Zimmerman
Luray Weachter
Steve Green
Ron - from Arizona?
Thom Riddle
Bob Bean
Chuck Davis
George Alexander
Bill Varnes
Alan Mancus
Scott Olendorf
Dave Kulp
Dan Walter
Rick Kelbon
Bob Bennethum
John Donato
& Me
Terry - Firefly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Fly-in to Homer's |
| Jim Hauck
| Gene Zimmerman
| John Hauck
| Wilmer Zimmerman
| John Murr
| Earl Zimmerman
| Eddy Zimmerman
| Luray Weachter
| Steven Green
| Ron - from Arizona?
| Thom Riddle
| Bob Bean
| Chuck Davis
| George Alexander
| Bill Varnes
| Alan Mancus
| Scott Olendorf
| Dave Kulp
| Dan Walter
| Rick Kelbon
| Bob Bennethum
| John Donato
| & Me
Terry:
I added Brother Jim.
I believe John Williamson will make an effort to be there also.
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Looking for MV photos of Drifters departing |
Someone on the list posted 2 photos of our Drifters
taking off from MV - one showing Jeff Warner as he
veered off the runway and came close to decapitating
the photographer!
I can't find that message - and would really like to
have the photo. Can whomever posted it send it to me?
And I understand that there's a video clip of the same
rambunctious take-off. Anyone know who took it or how
to get a copy of it?
Thanks,
Arty
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olendorf wrote:
> I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax and it caught
on fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap back on his airplane tank really
fast and no more fire. I was impressed.
I have never heard of an airplane catching fire because of fueling with plastic
gas cans. Was he doing something strange, or did you see anything that might
have caused this to happen ?
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for MV photos of Drifters departing |
Follow this link for the pictures of the out of control drifter:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=27642
There is also a story to read there. It seems strange your friend did not want
the video, it was offered to him. If I had that close a call, I would at least
want a good video for my trouble :)
Mike
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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In a message dated 6/5/2007 11:21:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes:
Take a close look at the video that I took of John landing and you see how
it is made
Larry,
Thanks for that video. That's about how I envisioned him doing it, but with
a little bit more Hot Rodding than I thought.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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He was just standing there pouring it in. Plane and pilot were standing on grass.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't using a funnel.
After that I always make sure my spout is in contact with the plane while pouring.
I also keep my body in contact with the plane as well.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> olendorf wrote:
>> I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax and it caught
on fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap back on his airplane tank
really fast and no more fire. I was impressed.
>
>
> I have never heard of an airplane catching fire because of fueling with plastic
gas cans. Was he doing something strange, or did you see anything that might
have caused this to happen ?
>
> Mike
Happened to a friend of mine who flies a rotary powered RV-6. I can send
you his email account of what happened, if you like. He stopped the fire
with the same techniques mentioned by others: cap the fuel tank on the
plane & put out the fire in the gas can with an extinguisher.
He won't use auto fuel any more; fuels only from avgas pumps now.
On the other hand, millions of people fuel boats, cars, lawnmowers,
planes, etc from plastic cans every day with no problems.
About a dozen people had car wrecks within 20 miles of each one of us
today. Anyone plan to stop driving? :-)
Charlie
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FIRE!!!!!
>
> JetPilot wrote:
>>
>>
>> olendorf wrote:
>>> I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax and it
>>> caught on fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap back on his
>>> airplane tank really fast and no more fire. I was impressed.
The thing to remember is that you should always have a ground when fueling
your plane. If you insist on using a Mr Funnel, the ground should be
connected to each of the componets of the process, if not then you are at
risk. The fluid passing through the plastic openings build up static
electricity. I use a gascolator to prevent water building up in my tanks, I
also draw from the bottom of the fuel tank, so any water in the system will
be passed on to the gascolator. I have not yet ever found any in any of my
tanks. Of course it is so dry here that spitting could be a problem. I
transfer fuel to my plane using a siphon tube from a 5 gal gas can sitting
on the wing. I always make sure that the tube is touching both tanks and so
far have not had any problem. Hopefully this will always be so.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: Fly-in to Homer's |
>Terry:
>
>I added Brother Jim.
>
>I believe John Williamson will make an effort to be there also.
>
>john h
>mkIII
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>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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>
>
John,
Added Jim and John W. See you there!
Terry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Have been lurking on the list for several years.
I am a 40 some year veteran in chemical manufacturing. It is well
known that the pumping and pouring of a dielectric fluid (non conducting)
can build up tremendous static charges. Great pains are taken to ground all
sections of the system.
Pouring/ pumping such a fluid into a plastic container always entails
some risk.
Grounding of non conductive plastic containers is recommended but not
terribly effective.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Radcliffe" <crad238@verizon.net>
. It is well
> known that the pumping and pouring of a dielectric fluid (non conducting)
> can build up tremendous static charges. Great pains are taken to ground
> all sections of the system.
> Pouring/ pumping such a fluid into a plastic container always entails
> some risk.
> Grounding of non conductive plastic containers is recommended but not
> terribly effective.
Carl,
It is also known that static releases occur when two surfaces containing
a static charge gets close enough for the charge to bridge the gap. It would
also follow that if there was no gap, there should be no release or spark
jump. It is my belief that by its construction and function that the Mr
Funnel causes a bit more of the static buildup than just pouring it into a
plastic gas container, so therefore if one insists on using it he would be
better off making sure that all of the components are at least grounded to
each other. Even if you do not use a Mr Funnel you should endeavor to
maintain contact between the receptacle and pouring spout. Terribly
effective or not.
Larry C
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