---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/12/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:39 AM - Re: New topic: Loctite (Richard Girard) 2. 03:29 AM - Re: Fly-in to Homer'sFly-in to Homer's (Thom Riddle) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: FireFly Tailwheel Spring Failure (robert bean) 4. 07:59 AM - Re: From 3 Blade to 2 Blade prop (lucien) 5. 07:59 AM - Re: EIS (Engine Information System) (JetPilot) 6. 08:27 AM - Re: EIS (Engine Information System) (Bob Noyer) 7. 08:31 AM - Uncle John's Fly-In June 16-17 (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 8. 08:48 AM - Re: FireFly Tailwheel Spring Failure (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 9. 09:23 AM - Re: Uncle John's Fly-In June 16-17 (Arksey@aol.com) 10. 12:55 PM - 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess (Tom Jones) 11. 01:24 PM - Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess (Richard Pike) 12. 02:27 PM - Re: From 3 Blade to 2 Blade prop (planecrazzzy) 13. 02:51 PM - Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess (olendorf) 14. 03:10 PM - Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess (planecrazzzy) 15. 04:27 PM - Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess (Tom Jones) 16. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess (possums) 17. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 18. 09:20 PM - Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess (Tom Jones) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:38 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New topic: Loctite Dwight, The Loctite line of threadlockers are anerobic (sp?) adhesives, meaning they only work in the absence of oxygen. While you might be able to get a small area inside the sleeve to seal well enough to get the Loctite to cure, by and large the effort would be wasted. Nicopress swaging sleeves and stops have worked for over 50 years as they are designed to do. They can be a big enough of a PITA to put on dry, I can't imagine what kind of mess they'd be with a liquid added to the process. MHO Rick On 6/11/07, Dana Hague wrote: > > At 04:14 PM 6/11/2007, Dwight Kottke wrote: > > The Loctite line of thread adhesives hasn't been talked about much here so > I thought I would bring it up. I use it regularly on nuts and bolts in > hazardous locations, but how about a couple of drops on a new cable before > you crimp on a new ferrule? What do you boys think? > > > I wouldn't. The nicopress sleeves are designed to hold the full rated > strength of the cable. Adding anything else could conceivably *reduce*the strength. > > -Dana > -- > -- > Most politicians aren't crooks, but the ones that are sure are making the > other 10 percent look bad. > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:16 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fly-in to Homer'sFly-in to Homer's Bob Bean and I are hoping to arrive at Kolb Airport at about 10:00 AM or so. We will be stopping at Bloomsburg, PA (N13) for fuel en route. Thom in Buffalo do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:19 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Tailwheel Spring Failure I use the same springs on my MkIII in combination with the TNK breakaway wheel. To get it all to work happily together I machined the breakaway internals to break at a greater angle, added a spacer to the internal spring for more positive action, and run the yoke springs at near full compression. I now have more positive control and can make a good turn with no brakes. A 3/32" dome head rivet fits perfectly inside the internal spring. Careful taking it apart because those tiny parts will pop out of sight. BB ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: From 3 Blade to 2 Blade prop From: "lucien" Yeah, the IVO prop is like that in the typical 2-blade configuration. It tends to be stalled when run static, giving an unreliable load when running it on the ground. Once airflow starts going through the prop disk, the blades unstall and you get the actual load you'll see in flight.... Kind of a pain.... you have to do the land-set-fly-land-set thing to get it just right.... My FSII has a 3 blade prop and the original builder fashioned a little boot that goes over the blade that sits between the wings when they're folded. That keeps it from tearing up the fabric. About 6mos. ago, though, I transported the plane from TX to new mexico on its open trailer (don't ever want to go that far on the open trailer again) and at the end of it, the prop had put a depression in the fabric on the one side. I run the clutch so the prop was free to freewheel up against the fabric... oops.... fortunately, going over the spot carefully with a heat gun took the "dent" right out.... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118009#118009 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: EIS (Engine Information System) From: "JetPilot" I love the EIS, it allows you to set all the limits that you are comfortable with for your engine and gives you an alarm if any of those are exceeded. Most of the time your oil pressure gets low, or your EGT gets high when you are not looking at the guage, with the EIS you get a flashing light that you cant miss no matter where you eyes are when it happens. Its well worth doing. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118010#118010 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:53 AM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS (Engine Information System) I like my EIS very much. Have no batt...just runs off 447 and VR. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:48 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Kolb-List: Uncle John's Fly-In June 16-17 I'm planning to fly to the Fly-in at Uncle John's Cider Mill this week end depending on weather. Is anyone else on the list going? I haven't decided which day I'm going but it's close so I could go both days. I don't know if there are any activities planned. Does anyone have any details? I see some phone numbers and haven't called yet but I can if I don't hear. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:45 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Tailwheel Spring Failure I also have the compression springs and the TNK breakaway tail wheel. I set up my springs to be just barely tight but found that as originally configured the tail wheel would not rotate far enough to break and go into full swivel. I had to drill the bellcrank/arm on the tail wheel and attach the springs closer to the pivot point. Now I have a very positive control over the tail wheel and it will break into full swivel just as I hit full travel on the rudder. I have never had the tail wheel break to full swivel with this set up unexpectedly so I'm not sure what you would gain by adding a spacer to the breakaway spring. When I was using the TNK tension springs that came with the tail wheel it would break away in cross winds but not since I started using the compression springs. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bean" Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Tailwheel Spring Failure > > I use the same springs on my MkIII in combination with the TNK breakaway > wheel. > To get it all to work happily together I machined the breakaway internals > to break at a > greater angle, added a spacer to the internal spring for more positive > action, and run the yoke springs at near > full compression. I now have more positive control and can make a good > turn with no brakes. > > A 3/32" dome head rivet fits perfectly inside the internal spring. > Careful taking it apart because > those tiny parts will pop out of sight. > BB > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:40 AM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Uncle John's Fly-In June 16-17 Hi Rick, I plan on going to Uncle John's fly in sat. and maybe sun. depending on weather. here is web site with some info. _http://www.mid-mich-eagles-ultralight-club.com/fathersday.html_ (http://www.mid-mich-eagles-ultralight-club.com/fathersday.html) jim swan firestar ll 503 michigan do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess From: "Tom Jones" I have a kitfox with a 503 Rotax. There aren't many people that will talk about them on the kitfox list so wonder if I might hear some opinions from you folks. Fuel slobers out of the fuel pump weep hole and makes a mess on my firewall. I have only 14 hours on the plane now and thought it was a defective fuel pump so put a new one on but it does the same thing. I zip tied a 3/4 inch plastic tube under the hole to catch the weeping fuel. It is still inconvenient because the catch tube is full after about two hours so I have to remember to empty it often. Is this a common problem with the 503? The people with 582s have never mentioned it. Is there a different remedy for the slobering fuel pump? -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503, Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118081#118081 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:00 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess Sure. Replace it with an electric Facet pump. (Assuming that the pump is below the level of your fuel tanks. In the wings? Not sure where the Kitfox tank is ) Or run a long catch tube down the firewall so it dumps the fuel overboard along the belly. Not as noticable that way... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess > > I have a kitfox with a 503 Rotax. There aren't many people that will talk > about them on the kitfox list so wonder if I might hear some opinions from > you folks. > > Fuel slobers out of the fuel pump weep hole and makes a mess on my > firewall. I have only 14 hours on the plane now and thought it was a > defective fuel pump so put a new one on but it does the same thing. > > I zip tied a 3/4 inch plastic tube under the hole to catch the weeping > fuel. It is still inconvenient because the catch tube is full after about > two hours so I have to remember to empty it often. Is this a common > problem with the 503? The people with 582s have never mentioned it. Is > there a different remedy for the slobering fuel pump? > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV, Phase one > 503, Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118081#118081 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:16 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: From 3 Blade to 2 Blade prop From: "planecrazzzy" I've read about a guy putting a hole in his fabric with the prop... So even with the 3 blade set-up I've had a "foam block" that slips onto the end of the prop , and it rests on the boom tube.... One thing about this site....You can learn from other peoples mistakes. and prevent it from happening to you... ( sometimes ) Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118098#118098 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jaz__mutt_muffs_003_556.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess From: "olendorf" I've never seen more that a couple tiny condensation drops appear in my pulse line. Something is amiss. It doesn't sound normal to me. No fuel should come out of that hole. Is your pulse line full of fuel also? It is better to have the pulse line leaving the engine going up to the pump so if any fuel does get in the line it would drain back to the engine. If you can't move the pump higher then loop the line so it is going up for a few inches first then loop back down to the pump. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118107#118107 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess From: "planecrazzzy" ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I've never had any leaks outa mine..... I have WHITE upholstery under it....a leak would definitely show up.... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118112#118112 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:16 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess From: "Tom Jones" Thanks guys! It sure does appear something is amiss if other 503s don't weep fuel out the fuel pump weep hole. Here is some more information and a couple of photos of how the fuel pump is installed. The pulse port is just under the bottom and in front of the front carb. The pump is on the fire wall 9 inches higher than the pulse port in level flight. The pulse line is 1/4 inch rubber automotive fuel injection line. The front half of the line is mounted level under the carbs then the rear half travels up slope at about 45 degrees to the fuel pump. This is how the kitfox manual shows to do the installation. The pulse line is 20 inches long. Rotax recomends a shorter line. I can't tell if the line is full of fuel because it is not clear. Today after one hour of flight at 6000 RPM the catch tube had almost exactly one ounce of fuel in it. The fuel in the catch tube is dirty black so I am pretty sure it came from the crank case. Any more ideas why this is happening or how I can/should change the installation? -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503, Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118126#118126 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_5085_117.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:14 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess At 07:25 PM 6/12/2007, you wrote: > >Thanks guys! It sure does appear something is amiss if other 503s >don't weep fuel out the fuel pump weep hole. Here is some more >information and a couple of photos of how the fuel pump is installed. >xactly one ounce of fuel in it. The fuel in the catch tube is dirty >black so I am pretty sure it came from the crank case. > >Any more ideas why this is happening or how I can/should change the >installation? > >-------- >Tom Jones >Classic IV, Phase one Is it supposed to be horizontal like that? -- maybe it doesn't matter. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:02 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess the pulse line should only be 12 in long and of an harder hose( ask for pulse line) black ruber line is not an good idea even thow kit fox suggest it I know this because I have a kit fox also if the pump is leaking it will come out the hole . if the crank case is filling up it will come out the hole.some time people will poke a wire in the weep hole to clear it and a hole will develop in the diaphragm. I just rebuilt a fuel pump on a KF LIte and it was leaking fuel out the weep hole just by trying to start the motor a noticeable amount was leaking out the hole by just pulling it over 6 times . Are you going LSA? malcolm michigan And I will be at the fathers day fly in KF N347ex ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 503 fuel pump weep hole makes a mess From: "Tom Jones" > It is better to have the pulse line leaving the engine going up to the pump so if any fuel does get in the line it would drain back to the engine. If you can't move the pump higher then loop the line so it is going up for a few inches first then loop back down to the pump. The pump is 9 inches above the pulse port but the line is level from the port for about 10 inches then a 45 degree slope up to the pump. Fuel may be pooling in the line and working its way up that gradual slope to the pump. I have some clear pulse line on hand. I could put that on with an immediate straingt up 7 inch rise from the port then level to the pump. That would be about 22 inches total pulse line length though. I will see if there is a place closer to the port to mount the pump. > if the pump is leaking it will come out the hole This engine pump combination has done this from the beginning right out of the box. I put a new pump on and it does the same thing. > if the crank case is filling up it will come out the hole The engine runs perfictly. Temps in the green and plugs brown. Turns 6200 on full power climb 800 ft. per minute at 60 MPH. > Are you going LSA? My Kitfox is regestered Experimental amature built. I am a private pilot flying under sport pilot rules -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503, Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118168#118168 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.