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1. 01:55 AM - Re: Funny Stories (pat ladd)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Aileron Forces (robert bean)
3. 07:34 AM - Re: What are you Guys Runnin For Gas? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
4. 08:07 AM - Re: Aileron Forces/Handing Out Advice (jb92563)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Aileron Forces (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 11:28 AM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty)
7. 11:28 AM - Re: What are you Guys Runnin For Gas? (Gary Knapp)
8. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Ms Dixie update (John Hauck)
9. 12:22 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (jb92563)
10. 01:00 PM - Landing Downhill At The Rock House (John Hauck)
11. 02:17 PM - Re: Aileron Forces (Jack B. Hart)
12. 03:30 PM - Re: Ms Dixie update (Paul Petty)
13. 07:19 PM - Re: Aileron Forces (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 08:19 PM - Re: New Hampshire Fly - In (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
15. 11:36 PM - Re: Aileron Forces (Jim Dunn)
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| Subject: | Re: Funny Stories |
incredibly unpleasant result of hitting cow patties at 30 mph with his
landing wheels.>>
Hi
the problem with cow manure, as well as the smell, is the hardness to which
it dries. Landing through manure is bad enough but at least you can clean
it off before it dries. Taking off through it and having to hack it off when
you land is a different story.
Ask me how I know!
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Forces |
I moved mine in about half of Richard P's distance and was happy with
the result. Plenty
of control and just the right stick resistance. Like he says, if not
what you want, just move
them back.
BB MkIIIc, suzuki 3 cyl, 65" powerfin
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| Subject: | Re: What are you Guys Runnin For Gas? |
There is a Fly in In Greenland New Hampshire but I havent seen any date
posted yet for it ,as soon as I hear of the Date I will post it for you
Ellery In Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Forces/Handing Out Advice |
Point is well taken, but my advice was conservative and purposely steered them
away from modifying aerodynamics by making the aileron narrower and of course
changing its behavior.
Making aerodynamic changes on a proven design will get you killed faster than anything
else you can do.
Therefore making small control system changes instead will still allow the aircraft
to fly as designed and any changes if done a little bit at a time is much
safer than other options.
I suppose I could have suggested a gym membership to strengthen the guys arms to
be even more conservative.
If someone has made an aerodynamic change successfully and wants to claim it as
a success then I would expect they should have thoroughly tested the change through
the entire flight envelope to Vne, stalls, spins and the recovery.....both
power on and power off and of course purposely tried to excite the ailerons
to flutter through the complete speed and deflection range......thats a lot
of work to try and get yourself killed.
Like everything else its all opinions and ultimately up to the person who hangs
his butt out in the wind.
People in aviation that use unverified advice fall under Darwins Rule, and dont
pass on their lack of skill or intelligence.....in theory anyway.
Im not a Kolb test pilot yet...will be soon, but I have been for another Ultralight
Twin and an Experimental.
Hows that for straight shooting? !!!
Ray
My ussual 2 cents worth based on experience, knowledge and memories of friends
that have discovered unairworthy modifications the hard way.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Forces |
In a message dated 6/27/2007 10:25:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jbhart@onlyinternet.net writes:
I have an early FireFly on which I replaced the fifteen inch chord ailerons
with nine inch chord ailerons after flying it just four hours. Later I
modified the control linkages. This greatly improved roll rate and reduced
stick pressures. It turned an around the patch quiet air machine into an
any time of the day machine. It is a pure delight to fly in rough air. It
effortlessly forward or side slips. The only thing, that I gave up was a
little wing area, and I had to accept a small increase in stall speed. I
got the stall speed back with vortex generators.
Hi Jack,
A few years ago when we were re covering my Firefly I asked Homer about the
big Ailerons. He recommended that I reduce them to 9". It made a big
difference in FF 007 and very little change in other areas due to reduced wing
area.
Steve
FF 007
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Gang,
Just got word that Ms Dixie is set to get her airworthyness inspection this Saturday
at 9:00am.
Will keep you posted
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Wating for final inspection and cert.
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| Subject: | Re: What are you Guys Runnin For Gas? |
Thanks!
Ellery
Gary
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From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What are you Guys Runnin For Gas?
There is a Fly in In Greenland New Hampshire but I havent seen any
date posted yet for it ,as soon as I hear of the Date I will post it
for you
Ellery In Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
inspection this Saturday at 9:00am.
| Paul Petty
Gang:
Is Paul excited??? Naw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck Paul. I'll talk to Charlie H before he flies.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Does that mean you can fly this weekend or do you have to wait on paperwork?
Best of Luck!
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Ray
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| Subject: | Landing Downhill At The Rock House |
Hi Gang:
I like this photo. Shows a lot of action and enery. Was landing on
the last couple hundred feet, down hill and to the south at Larry
Cottrell's Rock House, Jordan Valley, Oregon, May 2007.
Better put two of them in there. First is just touching down at the
crest of the hill.
These photos were taken by John W.
What the heck. I'll put four in there. We were playing around and
taking flying photos. John W did a better job than I did. Sorry,
John W.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Forces |
From: N27SB@aol.com
A few years ago when we were re covering my Firefly I asked Homer about the big
Ailerons. He recommended that I reduce them to 9". It made a big difference
in FF 007 and very little change in other areas due to reduced wing area.
Steve,
Did Homer tell you why nine inch chord was a good number?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Ms Dixie update |
Thanks Ray and John....it's nut cucting time now! Im very excited to say the the
less
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Wating for final inspection and cert.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Forces |
In a message dated 6/28/2007 5:17:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jbhart@onlyinternet.net writes:
Steve,
Did Homer tell you why nine inch chord was a good number?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
No he did not. 9" was the current standard. Remember, Homer did not design
the Firefly.
steve
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| Subject: | Re: New Hampshire Fly - In |
The fly in at Greenland New Hampshire is 7 / 7 to 7 / 14 for anyone that is
interested in going to it
Ellery in MAINE
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Forces |
I moved the flaperon linkages inboard 3/4" on my Firefly tonight (original
15" flaperon chord). If you do yours, make sure you measure the new hole
positions from the centerline, not the outboard edge of the arm. Turns
out the arm was not welded on centerline and one arm is longer than the
other. Difference is about 1/8". Still better than it was. Air was
smooth as silk after sunset.
Thanks to this list for the suggestion.
Jim
N. Idaho
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