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1. 12:25 AM - Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (R. Hankins)
2. 03:36 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (Tony Oldman)
3. 03:40 AM - Re: Flying characteristics- Kolb Firestar vs. Quicksilver Sprin (lucien)
4. 03:48 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (lucien)
5. 04:36 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (planecrazzzy)
6. 05:01 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (herbgh@juno.com)
7. 05:39 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (Jack B. Hart)
8. 05:43 AM - Re: Firestar aileron chord length (Thom Riddle)
9. 05:57 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (herbgh@juno.com)
10. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (Denny Rowe)
11. 10:17 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (Richard Pike)
12. 11:38 AM - propeller balance? (Larry Cottrell)
13. 12:48 PM - Re: propeller balance? (Richard Pike)
14. 01:44 PM - Fw: propeller balance? (Larry Cottrell)
15. 03:09 PM - Silent Cayuna (DANIEL WALTER)
16. 04:08 PM - Kolb Mark III X - trailering/storage experience (John H Murphy)
17. 04:27 PM - Re: propeller balance? (Thom Riddle)
18. 04:35 PM - Firestar 1 - control cables rubbing elevator torque tube (Thom Riddle)
19. 06:30 PM - Re:propeller balance? (JRatcli256@aol.com)
20. 07:31 PM - Re: Silent Cayuna (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
21. 07:40 PM - Re: Silent Cayuna (Eugene Zimmerman)
22. 09:05 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III X - trailering/storage experience (Charlie England)
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| Subject: | Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
Hello all:
I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally. This product
seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is priced very similarly to
Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet Rotax specs. Any thoughts? Here is
a link to the info:
http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf
Thanks,
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
When it comes to asking opinions on oil to use, you open a whole can of
worms.Ask 10 people get 10 different opinions. I have always used castrol TT
or its replacement Castrol super. I have put up over 500 hours on two
different 503s without having a bearing fail. One of the engines did stick
the top ring but was easily freed up.Cylinders have not been scuffed.After
freeing the top ring this engine was still in-service at 800 hrs. There are
a lot of people using Pennzoil in this part of the world but I personally
have seen no evidence that they out last any other oils. I have seen engines
with stuck rings and others ,mostly early 582s with run bearings that have
been on Pennzoil.Also 582s with run bearings on almost any type of oil
that's available.The other thing to look at is the price you pay for some of
these oils, if you are going to rebuild your engine at say 500 hours the
extra cost of some oils will have exceeded the cost of the rebuild. I think
its a personal choice thing if you believe one oil is giving you better
protection than another then stay with it. Who can put a price on piece of
mind when in a steep climb with a passenger over some unfriendly country
just after take off.
If the replacement oil meets the specs and you are happy to fly with it then
I see no reason that it will not perform as well ,just keep an eye on the
CHT and EXT temps if these are different than what you are used to {
higher } then I would change back.
Just my $00:02 worth
Tony
from down under MK111 classic
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?
>
> Hello all:
>
> I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally. This
> product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is priced very
> similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet Rotax specs. Any
> thoughts? Here is a link to the info:
> http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
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> Roger in Oregon
> 1992 KXP 503
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123738#123738
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| Subject: | Re: Flying characteristics- Kolb Firestar vs. Quicksilver Sprin |
My first UL was a quicksilver MX super, an older design which was the aerobatic
version in the MX series (though I trained in a 2-place sprint).
But I pretty much agree with the comparisons made by the rest of the guys. The
really significant differences flying-wise are the tailwheel aspect and the lack
of dihedral in the Kolb over the stock sprint.
If you have no tailwheel time in anything, you have to get used to that (just holding
the nosewheel off the ground in your trike gear does NOT prepare you for
tailwheel as some guys might think ;)). Fortunately, the Kolb is the best tailwheel
trainer in existence - besides being pretty docile, the prop is up on
the wing in the back and out of the way of any possible prop strikes. What more
could you ask for in a tailwheel plane? ;)
The other thing I remember having to get used to was the lack of roll coupling
with the rudder as someone else mentioned. I've got over 100 hours in my FS II
and sometimes still don't keep my turns completely coordinated. The lack of dihedral
though has so many other advantages, though, I'd recommend removing it
even on the quicksilver (which mark smith can help with).
Otherwise, the transition should be pretty easy. First time I went around the patch
in my FS II I remember it was very similar to flying my quick regarding inertia
and etc....
The other advantage of the Kolb is ease of maintenance. It's strut-braced and uses
the Al tube for the fuselage, a simpler design than the tube structure of
the quick. All I've had to do on my FS II so far is replace the rudder and elevator
cables (old ones had 500 hours on them and were fraying at pully block under
the seat) apart from putting the new engine on it.
PS. speaking of those cables, if you ever do need to replace them do NOT use stainless
steel cable - you'll start getting broken strands at the pully block in
about 20 hours (you should see the logbook for my plane with my attempt at this).
Call Travis and get the galvanized cable from Kolb.... I still don't know
why this happens, I suspect the small size of the pullies breaks the stainless
though the angle doesn't exceed the suggestion in AC 43.13. In any case, the
galvanized cures that problem.....
LS
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LS
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
Well, I'll say what I always say about 2-stroke oil.... The brand isn't that important,
the important thing is the service grade.
Rotax now recommends the API TC spec oil be used in the 2-strokes. Before there
was a TC spec, though, they recommended TCW-III grade oil.
Both of these oil grades will lubricate a 2-stroke, though the TC rating is more
strenuous.
The original owner of my FS II used the Walmart marine oil in that 503, which went
more than 500 hours. the motor was still developing full power and ran fine
at the time I took it off (I only replaced it becuase it was rotting away).
I use the air cooled pennzoil too, but I have the save availability problems as
you and will likely switch to the locally available TCW-III oil when I finish
this last case of pennzoil I have....
LS
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LS
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
I was going to use Koltz , but after seeing the trouble it was going to be just
trying to buy it.....it made me realize that if I'm flying X country ,
what would be an oil that I could find....
I heard stories like this one , So I figured that would be the one I use...
Seems to be doing just fine , although I'm "low hours"
It probably helps that I've got oil injection....Thinner at idle...
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Getting ready for another X country next weekend....Going to a
"Tailwind" Fly-in....Thinking about changing plans & building a Buttercup.
(40mph stall - 140mph cruise)
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lucien wrote:
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> The original owner of my FS II used the Walmart marine oil in that 503, which
went more than 500 hours. the motor was still developing full power and ran fine
at the time I took it off
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> LS
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
Roger
Stick your zip code in the box...Herb
http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:24:45 -0700 "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
writes:
> <rphanks@grantspass.com>
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> Hello all:
>
> I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally.
> This product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is
> priced very similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet
> Rotax specs. Any thoughts? Here is a link to the info:
>
http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B
3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf
>
> Thanks,
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> Roger in Oregon
> 1992 KXP 503
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
At 06:59 AM 7/14/07 -0500, you wrote:
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>Roger
>
> Stick your zip code in the box...Herb
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>http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
>
Better yet:
http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/penaircool2c.html
And they will deliver it right to your door.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar aileron chord length |
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Tapered ailerons are okay with me if that is what
is called for in the plans.
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Thom in Buffalo
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
Jack
I just received abt 30 lbs of goodies from Aircraft Spruce..
Atlanta,,,and I am in Extreme south cent Ky... over 40 dollars shipping
with UPS..
Wondering what the shipping would be on a case of Penzoil ? Herb
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:24:44 -0500 "Jack B. Hart"
<jbhart@onlyinternet.net> writes:
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> At 06:59 AM 7/14/07 -0500, you wrote:
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> >Roger
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> > Stick your zip code in the box...Herb
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> >http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
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> Better yet:
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> http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/penaircool2c.html
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> And they will deliver it right to your door.
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> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
Thay oil will be fine for your Rotax.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3 PA
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? |
Pennzoil seesm to tbe the universal standard oil for Rotax engines, however,
there remains a small pocket of resistance in Northeast Tennessee which has
been using Phillips Injex since 1983 with no failures yet. (Probably close
to 3,000 hours of Rotax/Phillips Injex time) So if you can't find Pennzoil,
and Phillips is available, you might want to try it -
PS - it doesn't leave as greasy a soot as Pennzoil does, for what that's
worth -
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:24 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?
>
> Hello all:
>
> I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally. This
> product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is priced very
> similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet Rotax specs. Any
> thoughts? Here is a link to the info:
> http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> --------
> Roger in Oregon
> 1992 KXP 503
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123738#123738
>
>
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| Subject: | propeller balance? |
Hi,
I am trying to get Possum's video camera to the point that I can use
it, but vibration is killing me. Due to the enclosure I have to hard
mount it to the frame up by the nose cone. I have it as solid as I can
and braced as well. Even with the camera stabilization there is
noticeable vibration. John H and John W helped me set my blade angle
when they were here, but I painted the tip to get it ready for its Air
worthy inspection. I suspected that I got a bit more paint on one tip
than the other, so I rigged up this set up to balance it. Spraying paint
on what appeared to be the lightest tip until it balanced out. Every
thing was level as well. If my methods are correct then the vibration
(still more there than I would like) is not going to go away. Blades
were rechecked and are still right on for angle. The blades were set in
varying positions and did not move from setting.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: propeller balance? |
I got some good movies from my Kolb, but used a non-solid mounting
method. If I remember right, you have a Firestar? So maybe you can use
this? If not, it was free...
If you have the hoop skid for underneath the nose cone like the MKIII
does, you can use that, because that is what I used. I hose clamped
about a 3' length of aluminum tubing to the nose hoop, kinda close to
the fuselage, extending toward the front beyond the hoop. The hose
clamps were twisted up, but it was still good and solid.
Then you take another slightly shorter piece of tubing and suspend it
just below the first tube, ahead of the hoop, by hose clamping short
lengths of bungee cord to each tube, so that the second is parallel to
the first and just below it, supported by the bungees. Now you attach
whatever you are using for a camera bracket to the lower tube. The
camera is now vibration-free and hanging just ahead of the hoop. You
want the tubes long enough to stabilize the camera so that it can't
wig-wag or twist in the wind. I had to add a bit of nose up trim, but
not bad.
It looks like the pits but it works. Just don't nose over on landing...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: propeller balance?
Hi,
I am trying to get Possum's video camera to the point that I can
use it, but vibration is killing me. Due to the enclosure I have to hard
mount it to the frame up by the nose cone. I have it as solid as I can
and braced as well. Even with the camera stabilization there is
noticeable vibration. John H and John W helped me set my blade angle
when they were here, but I painted the tip to get it ready for its Air
worthy inspection. I suspected that I got a bit more paint on one tip
than the other, so I rigged up this set up to balance it. Spraying paint
on what appeared to be the lightest tip until it balanced out. Every
thing was level as well. If my methods are correct then the vibration
(still more there than I would like) is not going to go away. Blades
were rechecked and are still right on for angle. The blades were set in
varying positions and did not move from setting.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Fw: propeller balance? |
Thanks for the tip Mr Pike, but I don't have a hoop. Here is how I have
it mounted on the plane. I think that without having it shock mounted I
am going to get this vibration. Perhaps a three blade would be smoother,
but I guess I will never know.
Larry
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All that training paid off today when my cayuna on the Ultrastar went
silent. Picked a good farmers field and brought her in, other than
dirty tires no damage to me or the plane. The farmer even helped me
push it to shed so I could leave to get the trailer to take it home.
Don't know why it stopped yet but I'll let you know.
Dan Walter
Aeronca Champ (temporarily)
Palmyra Pa.
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| Subject: | Kolb Mark III X - trailering/storage experience |
Does anyone here use a trailer to haul/store their MK III X? The reason I ask is
that I have a 24 foot trailer (Haulmark) that I'm trying to figure out if it
would fit a MK III X? The limiting factor appears to be the inside wheel wells.
It fits my Kolb Firestar II fine. When John Williamson was in town recently
with his Kolbra, we measured it from the nose tip to the back of the wheels.
It just would not fit inside. I would not be able to get the door closed and the
Kolbra wheels were just to wide. The length by the way appears to be fine.
Even though they call it a "24" foot trailer, it actually is a bit longer.
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| Subject: | Re: propeller balance? |
I've had very good vibration free video by mounting the camera on a wing strut
with 1" thick (before compression) foam rubber separating the mount and the strut.
There are countless ways of doing the mounting but making the mount shock
absorbing is the key.
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Thom in Buffalo
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Firestar 1 - control cables rubbing elevator torque tube |
On my FS 1, when the elevator is moved in the nose up direction, well past neutral,
the rudder control cables rub on the top side of the elevator torque tube.
I plan on putting a sacrificial wear strip there to keep it from wearing into
the torque tube more than it has. So far, not much more than the paint is worn
off.
My question is, is this normal on the FS 1? Or is it built wrong. Any ideas will
be welcome.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | RE:propeller balance? |
Gents,
Is it a requirement to paint the prop tips or just a safe thing to do?
John Ratcliffe
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| Subject: | Re: Silent Cayuna |
DANIEL WALTER wrote:
> All that training paid off today when my cayuna on the Ultrastar went
> silent. Picked a good farmers field and brought her in, other than
> dirty tires no damage to me or the plane. The farmer even helped me
> push it to shed so I could leave to get the trailer to take it home.
> Don't know why it stopped yet but I'll let you know.
>
> Dan Walter
> Aeronca Champ (temporarily)
> Palmyra Pa.
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Glad you and the plane are safe! ~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Silent Cayuna |
Congratulations Dan, on a piloting job well done.
Hope you have equal success on the Cuyuna.
Gene
On Jul 14, 2007, at 6:09 PM, DANIEL WALTER wrote:
> All that training paid off today when my cayuna on the Ultrastar
> went silent. Picked a good farmers field and brought her in, other
> than dirty tires no damage to me or the plane. The farmer even
> helped me push it to shed so I could leave to get the trailer to
> take it home.
> Don't know why it stopped yet but I'll let you know.
>
> Dan Walter
> Aeronca Champ (temporarily)
> Palmyra Pa.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III X - trailering/storage experience |
John H Murphy wrote:
>
> Does anyone here use a trailer to haul/store their MK III X? The
> reason I ask is that I have a 24 foot trailer (Haulmark) that I'm
> trying to figure out if it would fit a MK III X? The limiting factor
> appears to be the inside wheel wells. It fits my Kolb Firestar II
> fine. When John Williamson was in town recently with his Kolbra, we
> measured it from the nose tip to the back of the wheels. It just
> would not fit inside. I would not be able to get the door closed and
> the Kolbra wheels were just to wide. The length by the way appears to
> be fine. Even though they call it a "24" foot trailer, it actually is
> a bit longer.
>
How much 'swing' do the gear legs have if you pick up the plane & take
the weight off the wheels? If you get enough motion so that the gear is
now narrow enough, you could use ratcheting tiedown straps or a small
come-along to narrow the gear for transport. It's been done with other
homebuilts.
Charlie
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