---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/14/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (R. Hankins) 2. 03:36 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (Tony Oldman) 3. 03:40 AM - Re: Flying characteristics- Kolb Firestar vs. Quicksilver Sprin (lucien) 4. 03:48 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (lucien) 5. 04:36 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (planecrazzzy) 6. 05:01 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (herbgh@juno.com) 7. 05:39 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (Jack B. Hart) 8. 05:43 AM - Re: Firestar aileron chord length (Thom Riddle) 9. 05:57 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (herbgh@juno.com) 10. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (Denny Rowe) 11. 10:17 AM - Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? (Richard Pike) 12. 11:38 AM - propeller balance? (Larry Cottrell) 13. 12:48 PM - Re: propeller balance? (Richard Pike) 14. 01:44 PM - Fw: propeller balance? (Larry Cottrell) 15. 03:09 PM - Silent Cayuna (DANIEL WALTER) 16. 04:08 PM - Kolb Mark III X - trailering/storage experience (John H Murphy) 17. 04:27 PM - Re: propeller balance? (Thom Riddle) 18. 04:35 PM - Firestar 1 - control cables rubbing elevator torque tube (Thom Riddle) 19. 06:30 PM - Re:propeller balance? (JRatcli256@aol.com) 20. 07:31 PM - Re: Silent Cayuna (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) 21. 07:40 PM - Re: Silent Cayuna (Eugene Zimmerman) 22. 09:05 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III X - trailering/storage experience (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? From: "R. Hankins" Hello all: I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally. This product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is priced very similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet Rotax specs. Any thoughts? Here is a link to the info: http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf Thanks, -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123738#123738 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:42 AM PST US From: "Tony Oldman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? When it comes to asking opinions on oil to use, you open a whole can of worms.Ask 10 people get 10 different opinions. I have always used castrol TT or its replacement Castrol super. I have put up over 500 hours on two different 503s without having a bearing fail. One of the engines did stick the top ring but was easily freed up.Cylinders have not been scuffed.After freeing the top ring this engine was still in-service at 800 hrs. There are a lot of people using Pennzoil in this part of the world but I personally have seen no evidence that they out last any other oils. I have seen engines with stuck rings and others ,mostly early 582s with run bearings that have been on Pennzoil.Also 582s with run bearings on almost any type of oil that's available.The other thing to look at is the price you pay for some of these oils, if you are going to rebuild your engine at say 500 hours the extra cost of some oils will have exceeded the cost of the rebuild. I think its a personal choice thing if you believe one oil is giving you better protection than another then stay with it. Who can put a price on piece of mind when in a steep climb with a passenger over some unfriendly country just after take off. If the replacement oil meets the specs and you are happy to fly with it then I see no reason that it will not perform as well ,just keep an eye on the CHT and EXT temps if these are different than what you are used to { higher } then I would change back. Just my $00:02 worth Tony from down under MK111 classic ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hankins" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? > > Hello all: > > I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally. This > product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is priced very > similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet Rotax specs. Any > thoughts? Here is a link to the info: > http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf > > Thanks, > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123738#123738 > > > -- > 4:08 p.m. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying characteristics- Kolb Firestar vs. Quicksilver Sprin From: "lucien" My first UL was a quicksilver MX super, an older design which was the aerobatic version in the MX series (though I trained in a 2-place sprint). But I pretty much agree with the comparisons made by the rest of the guys. The really significant differences flying-wise are the tailwheel aspect and the lack of dihedral in the Kolb over the stock sprint. If you have no tailwheel time in anything, you have to get used to that (just holding the nosewheel off the ground in your trike gear does NOT prepare you for tailwheel as some guys might think ;)). Fortunately, the Kolb is the best tailwheel trainer in existence - besides being pretty docile, the prop is up on the wing in the back and out of the way of any possible prop strikes. What more could you ask for in a tailwheel plane? ;) The other thing I remember having to get used to was the lack of roll coupling with the rudder as someone else mentioned. I've got over 100 hours in my FS II and sometimes still don't keep my turns completely coordinated. The lack of dihedral though has so many other advantages, though, I'd recommend removing it even on the quicksilver (which mark smith can help with). Otherwise, the transition should be pretty easy. First time I went around the patch in my FS II I remember it was very similar to flying my quick regarding inertia and etc.... The other advantage of the Kolb is ease of maintenance. It's strut-braced and uses the Al tube for the fuselage, a simpler design than the tube structure of the quick. All I've had to do on my FS II so far is replace the rudder and elevator cables (old ones had 500 hours on them and were fraying at pully block under the seat) apart from putting the new engine on it. PS. speaking of those cables, if you ever do need to replace them do NOT use stainless steel cable - you'll start getting broken strands at the pully block in about 20 hours (you should see the logbook for my plane with my attempt at this). Call Travis and get the galvanized cable from Kolb.... I still don't know why this happens, I suspect the small size of the pullies breaks the stainless though the angle doesn't exceed the suggestion in AC 43.13. In any case, the galvanized cures that problem..... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123747#123747 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? From: "lucien" Well, I'll say what I always say about 2-stroke oil.... The brand isn't that important, the important thing is the service grade. Rotax now recommends the API TC spec oil be used in the 2-strokes. Before there was a TC spec, though, they recommended TCW-III grade oil. Both of these oil grades will lubricate a 2-stroke, though the TC rating is more strenuous. The original owner of my FS II used the Walmart marine oil in that 503, which went more than 500 hours. the motor was still developing full power and ran fine at the time I took it off (I only replaced it becuase it was rotting away). I use the air cooled pennzoil too, but I have the save availability problems as you and will likely switch to the locally available TCW-III oil when I finish this last case of pennzoil I have.... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123749#123749 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? From: "planecrazzzy" I was going to use Koltz , but after seeing the trouble it was going to be just trying to buy it.....it made me realize that if I'm flying X country , what would be an oil that I could find.... I heard stories like this one , So I figured that would be the one I use... Seems to be doing just fine , although I'm "low hours" It probably helps that I've got oil injection....Thinner at idle... .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. Getting ready for another X country next weekend....Going to a "Tailwind" Fly-in....Thinking about changing plans & building a Buttercup. (40mph stall - 140mph cruise) .. .. .. .. .. lucien wrote: > > > The original owner of my FS II used the Walmart marine oil in that 503, which went more than 500 hours. the motor was still developing full power and ran fine at the time I took it off > > LS -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123754#123754 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_x_country_flight_to_baraboo_wi_001_134.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? From: herbgh@juno.com Roger Stick your zip code in the box...Herb http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:24:45 -0700 "R. Hankins" writes: > > > Hello all: > > I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally. > This product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is > priced very similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet > Rotax specs. Any thoughts? Here is a link to the info: > http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B 3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf > > Thanks, > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123738#123738 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:02 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? At 06:59 AM 7/14/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Roger > > Stick your zip code in the box...Herb > >http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html > Better yet: http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/penaircool2c.html And they will deliver it right to your door. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar aileron chord length From: "Thom Riddle" Thanks for the feedback, guys. Tapered ailerons are okay with me if that is what is called for in the plans. -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123762#123762 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? From: herbgh@juno.com Jack I just received abt 30 lbs of goodies from Aircraft Spruce.. Atlanta,,,and I am in Extreme south cent Ky... over 40 dollars shipping with UPS.. Wondering what the shipping would be on a case of Penzoil ? Herb do not archive On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:24:44 -0500 "Jack B. Hart" writes: > > > At 06:59 AM 7/14/07 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Roger > > > > Stick your zip code in the box...Herb > > > >http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html > > > > Better yet: > > http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/penaircool2c.html > > And they will deliver it right to your door. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:38 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? Thay oil will be fine for your Rotax. Denny Rowe Mk-3 PA ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:54 AM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? Pennzoil seesm to tbe the universal standard oil for Rotax engines, however, there remains a small pocket of resistance in Northeast Tennessee which has been using Phillips Injex since 1983 with no failures yet. (Probably close to 3,000 hours of Rotax/Phillips Injex time) So if you can't find Pennzoil, and Phillips is available, you might want to try it - PS - it doesn't leave as greasy a soot as Pennzoil does, for what that's worth - Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hankins" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:24 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil? > > Hello all: > > I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally. This > product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is priced very > similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet Rotax specs. Any > thoughts? Here is a link to the info: > http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf > > Thanks, > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123738#123738 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:40 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: propeller balance? Hi, I am trying to get Possum's video camera to the point that I can use it, but vibration is killing me. Due to the enclosure I have to hard mount it to the frame up by the nose cone. I have it as solid as I can and braced as well. Even with the camera stabilization there is noticeable vibration. John H and John W helped me set my blade angle when they were here, but I painted the tip to get it ready for its Air worthy inspection. I suspected that I got a bit more paint on one tip than the other, so I rigged up this set up to balance it. Spraying paint on what appeared to be the lightest tip until it balanced out. Every thing was level as well. If my methods are correct then the vibration (still more there than I would like) is not going to go away. Blades were rechecked and are still right on for angle. The blades were set in varying positions and did not move from setting. Larry C ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:29 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: propeller balance? I got some good movies from my Kolb, but used a non-solid mounting method. If I remember right, you have a Firestar? So maybe you can use this? If not, it was free... If you have the hoop skid for underneath the nose cone like the MKIII does, you can use that, because that is what I used. I hose clamped about a 3' length of aluminum tubing to the nose hoop, kinda close to the fuselage, extending toward the front beyond the hoop. The hose clamps were twisted up, but it was still good and solid. Then you take another slightly shorter piece of tubing and suspend it just below the first tube, ahead of the hoop, by hose clamping short lengths of bungee cord to each tube, so that the second is parallel to the first and just below it, supported by the bungees. Now you attach whatever you are using for a camera bracket to the lower tube. The camera is now vibration-free and hanging just ahead of the hoop. You want the tubes long enough to stabilize the camera so that it can't wig-wag or twist in the wind. I had to add a bit of nose up trim, but not bad. It looks like the pits but it works. Just don't nose over on landing... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: Kolb-List: propeller balance? Hi, I am trying to get Possum's video camera to the point that I can use it, but vibration is killing me. Due to the enclosure I have to hard mount it to the frame up by the nose cone. I have it as solid as I can and braced as well. Even with the camera stabilization there is noticeable vibration. John H and John W helped me set my blade angle when they were here, but I painted the tip to get it ready for its Air worthy inspection. I suspected that I got a bit more paint on one tip than the other, so I rigged up this set up to balance it. Spraying paint on what appeared to be the lightest tip until it balanced out. Every thing was level as well. If my methods are correct then the vibration (still more there than I would like) is not going to go away. Blades were rechecked and are still right on for angle. The blades were set in varying positions and did not move from setting. Larry C ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:01 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: propeller balance? Thanks for the tip Mr Pike, but I don't have a hoop. Here is how I have it mounted on the plane. I think that without having it shock mounted I am going to get this vibration. Perhaps a three blade would be smoother, but I guess I will never know. Larry ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:53 PM PST US From: "DANIEL WALTER" Subject: Kolb-List: Silent Cayuna All that training paid off today when my cayuna on the Ultrastar went silent. Picked a good farmers field and brought her in, other than dirty tires no damage to me or the plane. The farmer even helped me push it to shed so I could leave to get the trailer to take it home. Don't know why it stopped yet but I'll let you know. Dan Walter Aeronca Champ (temporarily) Palmyra Pa. Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III X - trailering/storage experience From: "John H Murphy" Does anyone here use a trailer to haul/store their MK III X? The reason I ask is that I have a 24 foot trailer (Haulmark) that I'm trying to figure out if it would fit a MK III X? The limiting factor appears to be the inside wheel wells. It fits my Kolb Firestar II fine. When John Williamson was in town recently with his Kolbra, we measured it from the nose tip to the back of the wheels. It just would not fit inside. I would not be able to get the door closed and the Kolbra wheels were just to wide. The length by the way appears to be fine. Even though they call it a "24" foot trailer, it actually is a bit longer. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123829#123829 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: propeller balance? From: "Thom Riddle" I've had very good vibration free video by mounting the camera on a wing strut with 1" thick (before compression) foam rubber separating the mount and the strut. There are countless ways of doing the mounting but making the mount shock absorbing is the key. -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123831#123831 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar 1 - control cables rubbing elevator torque tube From: "Thom Riddle" On my FS 1, when the elevator is moved in the nose up direction, well past neutral, the rudder control cables rub on the top side of the elevator torque tube. I plan on putting a sacrificial wear strip there to keep it from wearing into the torque tube more than it has. So far, not much more than the paint is worn off. My question is, is this normal on the FS 1? Or is it built wrong. Any ideas will be welcome. Thom in Buffalo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123832#123832 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:41 PM PST US From: JRatcli256@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: RE:propeller balance? Gents, Is it a requirement to paint the prop tips or just a safe thing to do? John Ratcliffe ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:39 PM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Silent Cayuna DANIEL WALTER wrote: > All that training paid off today when my cayuna on the Ultrastar went > silent. Picked a good farmers field and brought her in, other than > dirty tires no damage to me or the plane. The farmer even helped me > push it to shed so I could leave to get the trailer to take it home. > Don't know why it stopped yet but I'll let you know. > > Dan Walter > Aeronca Champ (temporarily) > Palmyra Pa. > > Do not Archive Glad you and the plane are safe! ~ Earl ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:51 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Silent Cayuna Congratulations Dan, on a piloting job well done. Hope you have equal success on the Cuyuna. Gene On Jul 14, 2007, at 6:09 PM, DANIEL WALTER wrote: > All that training paid off today when my cayuna on the Ultrastar > went silent. Picked a good farmers field and brought her in, other > than dirty tires no damage to me or the plane. The farmer even > helped me push it to shed so I could leave to get the trailer to > take it home. > Don't know why it stopped yet but I'll let you know. > > Dan Walter > Aeronca Champ (temporarily) > Palmyra Pa. > > Do not Archive > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:14 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III X - trailering/storage experience John H Murphy wrote: > > Does anyone here use a trailer to haul/store their MK III X? The > reason I ask is that I have a 24 foot trailer (Haulmark) that I'm > trying to figure out if it would fit a MK III X? The limiting factor > appears to be the inside wheel wells. It fits my Kolb Firestar II > fine. When John Williamson was in town recently with his Kolbra, we > measured it from the nose tip to the back of the wheels. It just > would not fit inside. I would not be able to get the door closed and > the Kolbra wheels were just to wide. The length by the way appears to > be fine. Even though they call it a "24" foot trailer, it actually is > a bit longer. > How much 'swing' do the gear legs have if you pick up the plane & take the weight off the wheels? If you get enough motion so that the gear is now narrow enough, you could use ratcheting tiedown straps or a small come-along to narrow the gear for transport. It's been done with other homebuilts. 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