---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/23/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:40 AM - Re: Re: Off To Oshkosh (Ed Chmielewski) 2. 03:59 AM - Re: needles for 447 (Thom Riddle) 3. 05:07 AM - Re: [ Dennis Kirby ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Eugene Zimmerman) 4. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Off To Oshkosh (Russ Kinne) 5. 06:19 AM - for us non-oshkoshers (robert bean) 6. 06:32 AM - Re: Perfect Kolb? (Denny Rowe) 7. 07:14 AM - Re: for us non-oshkoshers (Michael Sharp) 8. 09:54 AM - Ultrastar Home at last (jb92563) 9. 11:57 AM - Re: Perfect Kolb? (John Codd) 10. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Off To Oshkosh (chris davis) 11. 02:22 PM - Re: Perfect Kolb? (lucien) 12. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: Off To Oshkosh (Charlie England) 13. 03:21 PM - Re: Small Cross Country (planecrazzzy) 14. 06:15 PM - Fuel Efficiency ? was Re: Small Cross Country (Eugene Zimmerman) 15. 06:42 PM - Re: Seized 447 (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 16. 10:09 PM - Re: Re: needles for 447 (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:11 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh Mike, Sorry to upset you, and no need to shout. We're all civil folks here, hopefully. I don't 'open' them, they load automatically. Problem is, when attachments come through, it hangs my connection. Have to close OE, reopen, redial, etc... And I believe Matt has outlined repeatedly the procedures for making a link instead of posting the pic in the message, and the fact he prefers that method. And where's YOUR 'DNA', Mike?? Sheesh... Ed in JXN Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh > > Why must you keep whining about pictures.... > > DON'T OPEN THEM.... > > Your the ONLY ONE COMPLAINING.... > > "I" like pictures....I look for messages with attachments.... > > and I'm also on dial up.... > > Your NOT going to change anything ....and where's your Do not archive > > Did you WANT it saved.....Thanks for the "Clutter" > . > . > . > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > . > . > . > > > [quote="Ed in JXN"]Rick/All, > > Please post a link to pics like this in the future. It really > hamstrings those of us stuck with dial-up service. > > Thanx, > > Ed in JXN > > >> --- > > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125188#125188 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 From: "Thom Riddle" Thanks for the needle solutions for your cases. Following is what I did yesterday. I re-pitched the prop again, this time such that I am getting 6450 rpm at full throttle level flight.... just right. I then flew for 2.3 hours with two stops en-route. The EGTs were running around 1100 +/- 25 during 5500-5800 rpm cruise with no problems in that range. BUT the needle clip is in the #4 (richest) position. Below 5500 rpm the engine is still unstable with RPM varying all over the place. After the flight I checked the plugs and they are about right. I removed the carb and took it apart. All the jets and the jet needle are per Rotax spec and in good condition with less than 70 hours on engine. The float levels are perfect too. Today I plan to order a slightly richer needle jet (2.72 vs current 2.70) and one each of the two jet needles that you guys stated solved your problems. With three new pieces the combinations of possible parts is quite large. I'll test them each one at a time and then in various combinations, if needed. In each case I'll put the clip back in the #2 position to begin with. I'll let you know what finally works for me (I hope). -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125308#125308 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:45 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Dennis Kirby ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > > Poster: Dennis Kirby > > Lists: Kolb-List,Ultralight-List > > Subject: "Magic Bike" Recovery Pictures > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil. > 07.22.2007/index.html > Dennis, Wow! How did you manage to "right" your inverted plane again once on firm dry ground without further damage? Did any mud or water enter your engine while inverted on the lake? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:47 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh FWIW -- Ed's not the "ONLY ONE" who has trouble getting pix -- do not archive On Jul 23, 2007, at 4:39 AM, Ed Chmielewski wrote: > > > Mike, > > Sorry to upset you, and no need to shout. We're all civil > folks here, hopefully. > > I don't 'open' them, they load automatically. Problem is, > when attachments come through, it hangs my connection. Have to > close OE, reopen, redial, etc... > > And I believe Matt has outlined repeatedly the procedures > for making a link instead of posting the pic in the message, and > the fact he prefers that method. > > And where's YOUR 'DNA', Mike?? Sheesh... > > Ed in JXN > Do not archive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:23 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh > > >> >> >> Why must you keep whining about pictures.... >> >> DON'T OPEN THEM.... >> >> Your the ONLY ONE COMPLAINING.... >> >> "I" like pictures....I look for messages with attachments.... >> >> and I'm also on dial up.... >> >> Your NOT going to change anything ....and where's your Do not archive >> >> Did you WANT it saved.....Thanks for the "Clutter" >> . >> . >> . >> Gotta Fly... >> Mike & "Jaz" in MN >> . >> . >> . >> >> >> >> >> [quote="Ed in JXN"]Rick/All, >> >> Please post a link to pics like this in the future. It >> really hamstrings those of us stuck with dial-up service. >> >> Thanx, >> >> Ed in JXN >> >> >> >>> --- >> >> >> -------- >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> Do Not Archive >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125188#125188 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:04 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: for us non-oshkoshers All, yesterday was a fine fine day in western NY. Thom Riddle flew over in his newly acquired FS and joined up with me and my ladyfriend for a 15 minute trip to a great fly in breakfast. Very well attended. Of interest was a huge biplane with a 330hp chev v8 and outboard motor redrive. We left before I got to hear it run. Our Kolbs drew a lot of curiosity seekers. My passenger weighs somewhere near 120 lbs which brought us to about 915 gross. It flew well but until some horsepower-tweaking mods take place to the little suzuki , no heavier passengers will climb aboard. first pic is Thom landing at my strip using the tassel guidance system. http://picasaweb.google.com/blitzsplyk/NewAlbum72307900AM? authkey=k4sMXZWAPJw ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:57 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Perfect Kolb? At your altitude, you will want the 912 or 912s with a 72 inch dia prop. The HKS is not near enough engine for a MK-3 at high altitude and the Jab is limited to a 64 inch diameter prop, that is not as efficient as the bigger slower turning 912 prop. Mk-3, Mk-3 extra or Kolbra are your best bets. Sit in all of them and you will know what you want. Denny Rowe, MK-3 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:20 AM PST US From: Michael Sharp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: for us non-oshkoshers Bob, What kind of tweeks are you going to do? I'd be interested in hearing details. I'm working on a 1.3L zuki and I know some of us would like to hear details of the tweeking of alternative engines... Mike Mark III C Oak Grove MO... Do not archive... robert bean wrote: All, yesterday was a fine fine day in western NY. Thom Riddle flew over in his newly acquired FS and joined up with me and my ladyfriend for a 15 minute trip to a great fly in breakfast. Very well attended. Of interest was a huge biplane with a 330hp chev v8 and outboard motor redrive. We left before I got to hear it run. Our Kolbs drew a lot of curiosity seekers. My passenger weighs somewhere near 120 lbs which brought us to about 915 gross. It flew well but until some horsepower-tweaking mods take place to the little suzuki , no heavier passengers will climb aboard. first pic is Thom landing at my strip using the tassel guidance system. http://picasaweb.google.com/blitzsplyk/NewAlbum72307900AM? authkey=k4sMXZWAPJw ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Home at last From: "jb92563" Hi Guys, I finally got my Ultrastar home....now Im Kolbing too! It needs a bit of work to get it flight ready. I has more hanger rash than I thought.....I will need to do a bunch of Polyfiber repairs to patch the 5 little(~1") tears hear and there. I also have one big tear about 6". I have been reading about the process to make the repairs and it seems simple enough, so I'll need to get one of those Polyfiber repair/practice kits. Anyone know of the best place to get one. Was the US covered with the Light or Medium Polyfiber fabric? The plane came with 2 Cuyuna 430's or UL11-02, not sure which they are yet, that have not run in about 5 years. Seems like I might have one of each since one has a single module with 2 spark wires and the other has 2 modules with 1 spark wire each. The ignition kill switch is disconnected from the engine and I read that using the wrong switch can destroy the CDI module, anyone know what I need so I don't fry the thing? I'll take some pics of the CDI modules/wires and post tommorow in case anyone can identify the correct wires. -------- Ray Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125347#125347 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:03 AM PST US From: "John Codd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Perfect Kolb? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Perfect Kolb? > > At your altitude, you will want the 912 or 912s with a 72 inch dia prop. > The HKS is not near enough engine for a MK-3 at high altitude and the Jab > is limited to a 64 inch diameter prop, that is not as efficient as the > bigger slower turning 912 prop. > Mk-3, Mk-3 extra or Kolbra are your best bets. Sit in all of them and you > will know what you want. > > Denny Rowe, MK-3 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:07 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh Ed Sounds to me like you need to reasses redu or JUST GET A NEW EMAIL PROGRAM !!!!!!Chris ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Chmielewski Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:39:20 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh Mike, Sorry to upset you, and no need to shout. We're all civil folks here, hopefully. I don't 'open' them, they load automatically. Problem is, when attachments come through, it hangs my connection. Have to close OE, reopen, redial, etc... And I believe Matt has outlined repeatedly the procedures for making a link instead of posting the pic in the message, and the fact he prefers that method. And where's YOUR 'DNA', Mike?? Sheesh... Ed in JXN Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh > > Why must you keep whining about pictures.... > > DON'T OPEN THEM.... > > Your the ONLY ONE COMPLAINING.... > > "I" like pictures....I look for messages with attachments.... > > and I'm also on dial up.... > > Your NOT going to change anything ....and where's your Do not archive > > Did you WANT it saved.....Thanks for the "Clutter" > . > . > . > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > . > . > . > > > [quote="Ed in JXN"]Rick/All, > > Please post a link to pics like this in the future. It really > hamstrings those of us stuck with dial-up service. > > Thanx, > > Ed in JXN > > >> --- > > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125188#125188 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:04 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Perfect Kolb? From: "lucien" rowedenny(at)windstream.n wrote: > At your altitude, you will want the 912 or 912s with a 72 inch dia prop. > The HKS is not near enough engine for a MK-3 at high altitude and the Jab is > limited to a 64 inch diameter prop, that is not as efficient as the bigger > slower turning 912 prop. > Mk-3, Mk-3 extra or Kolbra are your best bets. Sit in all of them and you > will know what you want. > > Denny Rowe, MK-3 Agreed, as I fly a similarly sized plane (titan II SS) at 7000' MSL with the 912s... I'd say just go right to the 912s, the power reduction over sea level is substantial, at 6000' you'll be only around 70 to 75% throttle when wide open depending on the density altitude.... I like the looks of the Kolbra myself, though all my Kolb time is in my FS II at this point and havn't flown in the big 2-place Kolbs yet..... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125408#125408 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:29 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh Very true. I got fed up with oversize images & set up my email client to reject anything over 500K. This solves the problem of locking up my phone line, but I don't get to see a lot of stuff I'd like to see. What seems to be lost on people like Mike is that it's pointless to send images bigger than around 100K for viewing on a typical computer screen. The monitor just doesn't have the resolution to show that much detail. It also seems to be lost on him that methods of reading email, like choice of airplane, is personal preference. I find web based email clients and forum based lists extremely clunky & slow, even when viewed on a broadband connection. It's a real shame he takes that attitude, especially when the Matronics list manager has provided him the tools to upload even his huge images if he desires, without penalizing the rest of us. Charlie Russ Kinne wrote: > > FWIW -- Ed's not the "ONLY ONE" who has trouble getting pix -- > do not archive > > On Jul 23, 2007, at 4:39 AM, Ed Chmielewski wrote: > >> >> >> Mike, >> >> Sorry to upset you, and no need to shout. We're all civil >> folks here, hopefully. >> >> I don't 'open' them, they load automatically. Problem is, when >> attachments come through, it hangs my connection. Have to close OE, >> reopen, redial, etc... >> >> And I believe Matt has outlined repeatedly the procedures for >> making a link instead of posting the pic in the message, and the fact >> he prefers that method. >> >> And where's YOUR 'DNA', Mike?? Sheesh... >> >> Ed in JXN >> Do not archive. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:23 AM >> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Off To Oshkosh >> >> >>> >>> Why must you keep whining about pictures.... >>> >>> DON'T OPEN THEM.... >>> >>> Your the ONLY ONE COMPLAINING.... >>> >>> "I" like pictures....I look for messages with attachments.... >>> >>> and I'm also on dial up.... >>> >>> Your NOT going to change anything ....and where's your Do not archive >>> >>> Did you WANT it saved.....Thanks for the "Clutter" >>> . >>> . >>> . >>> Gotta Fly... >>> Mike & "Jaz" in MN ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Small Cross Country From: "planecrazzzy" I goofed in my figures.... later , when I thought about it....I should have added the part that was used in the tanks after the trip (5.3 gals ) So that changes the MPG to 15.27 376 miles , 24.61 gals = 15.27 mpg .. .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125413#125413 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wittman_tailwind_w_10_123.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:14 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Efficiency ? was Re: Small Cross Country Mike, Cool Pict ! :-) Your 15.27 mpg works out to a fuel burn of - 4.25 gal. per hr. @ 65 mph 3.9 gal. per hr. @ 60 mph 3.6 gal. per hr. @ 55 mph Does this sound about right with your experience? I'm interested in finding out what others are experiencing in fuel efficiency. On Jul 23, 2007, at 6:20 PM, planecrazzzy wrote: > > > I goofed in my figures.... > > later , when I thought about it....I should have added the part that > > was used in the tanks after the trip (5.3 gals ) > > So that changes the MPG to 15.27 > > 376 miles , 24.61 gals = 15.27 mpg > . > . > . > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > . > . > . > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125413#125413 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/wittman_tailwind_w_10_123.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:37 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Seized 447 In a message dated 7/22/2007 9:40:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ceddavis@gmail.com writes: Then only clue I have is that I noticed the cooling fan was not turning when I pulled the engine through (after the seizure). Did the fan lock, or belt break? Hi Chuck, It would appear that the fan belt either broke or was slipping (check the fan holding nut to see if it is tight) for the fan not to turn with the crankshaft. That would result in getting the high CHT, as no cooling air would be coming across the heads. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:56 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 Thom, You say the engine only has 70 hours on it, but you don't give its actual age. Is it a new engine run at the national average 30 to 50 hours a year or an older engine that spent some time as a hangar ornament? Is the 70 hours since factory new or since rebuild? The reason I ask is this, the symptoms you describe are a mixture going leaner at higher engine vacuum. The further you get from WOT the worse the problem becomes. It' s beginning to sound like an air leak somewhere in the intake system. How is the idle range set? Is the idle air adjustment near the factory setting (.5 turns out for 447, 1 turn out for 447DC? The idle mixture circuit bleeds into the lower midrange. If you richen up the idle, do you see any changes in the middle and high midrange cruise where the anomalous leaning begins. Have you inspected and greased all the rubber fittings to make sure there are no cracks or delaminations. How is the condition of the crank seals? That's just some of the things I can think of off the top of my head. Something just does not add up for a 70 hour engine to require radical jetting changes. Rick On 7/23/07, Thom Riddle wrote: > > > Thanks for the needle solutions for your cases. Following is what I did > yesterday. > > I re-pitched the prop again, this time such that I am getting 6450 rpm at > full throttle level flight.... just right. I then flew for 2.3 hours with > two stops en-route. The EGTs were running around 1100 +/- 25 during > 5500-5800 rpm cruise with no problems in that range. BUT the needle clip is > in the #4 (richest) position. Below 5500 rpm the engine is still unstable > with RPM varying all over the place. > > After the flight I checked the plugs and they are about right. I removed > the carb and took it apart. All the jets and the jet needle are per Rotax > spec and in good condition with less than 70 hours on engine. The float > levels are perfect too. > > Today I plan to order a slightly richer needle jet (2.72 vs current 2.70) > and one each of the two jet needles that you guys stated solved your > problems. With three new pieces the combinations of possible parts is quite > large. I'll test them each one at a time and then in various combinations, > if needed. In each case I'll put the clip back in the #2 position to begin > with. > > I'll let you know what finally works for me (I hope). > > -------- > Thom in Buffalo > N197BG FS1/447 > > -------------------- > "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." > Albert Einstein > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125308#125308 > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.