---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/30/07: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:13 AM - Re: tail wheel alignment (Dave Bigelow) 2. 05:09 AM - Re: new pics of the Kolb suzuki project (Russ Kinne) 3. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: new pics of the Kolb Suzuki project (Russ Kinne) 4. 06:37 AM - Re: new pics of the Kolb suzuki project (robert bean) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: Seized 447 (jb92563) 6. 09:12 AM - posting links vs pictures (Larry Cottrell) 7. 10:39 AM - Re: new pics of the Kolb Suzuki project (Ron) 8. 10:44 AM - Re: new pics of the Kolb Suzuki project (Ron) 9. 10:51 AM - Re: needles for 447 (Thom Riddle) 10. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: needles for 447 (Richard Pike) 11. 11:43 AM - Re: needles for 447 (Thom Riddle) 12. 11:52 AM - Seaplane base (N27SB@aol.com) 13. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel alignment (gary aman) 14. 12:21 PM - Re: needles for 447 (jb92563) 15. 12:31 PM - Re: posting links vs pictures (Ed Chmielewski) 16. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: needles for 447 (Mike Welch) 17. 01:14 PM - Re: posting links vs pictures () 18. 02:19 PM - Re: posting links vs pictures (Larry Cottrell) 19. 03:24 PM - Re: posting links vs pictures (Bob Noyer) 20. 03:50 PM - Re: posting links vs pictures (JetPilot) 21. 04:03 PM - Re: Seaplane base (Arksey@aol.com) 22. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: posting links vs pictures (Dana Hague) 23. 05:26 PM - Re: new pics of the Kolb suzuki project (planecrazzzy) 24. 07:04 PM - Fw: fishing (Larry Cottrell) 25. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: posting links vs pictures (Jim Baker) 26. 07:59 PM - Re: Fw: fishing (Robert Laird) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tail wheel alignment From: "Dave Bigelow" Mike, Where is your source for the compression springs - looks like a good way to go? -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126299#126299 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:26 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new pics of the Kolb suzuki project Ron My confuser says 'can't find the server 'tinyurl'. I'll keep trying do not archive On Jul 29, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Ron wrote: > > Any of you folks wanting to see the latest pics on my engine > adaptation and some of the problems I am running into take a look > at these pics. I already tested the link so it should work. > > http://tinyurl. com/hl2oy > > Ron (Arizona) > ============= > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:22 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new pics of the Kolb Suzuki project Now I can't get past the 'Join Yahoo" page! Help! do not archive On Jul 29, 2007, at 10:12 PM, Ron wrote: > No ain't scared.. they can go to the Geo list and look there. My > attaching ain't attaching don't know why. Its just like everything > else with this project, "it ain't get's done until there is lots > of pain". > > Ron > > ============== > ---- planecrazzzy wrote: > > ============ > > > Why don't you just attach the pictures....? > > Scared the Dial-up guys will cry.... > > I have Dial-up.... I "Love" attachments/Pictures. > > Whatever , you just "Can't" please them all....... > . > . > > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > . > . > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126266#126266 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ > teflon_coated_cable_guides_002_139.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ > teflon_coated_cable_guides_001_110.jpg > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > -- > kugelair.com > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:08 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new pics of the Kolb suzuki project I'll be watching both you guy's progress with the four bangers. Have to admit one extra piston would be nice on my Kolb. And you also confirm reports that the SPG/russky redrive, although robust and reliable, is a pain to assemble and fit to the engine. Maybe one of these days I'll go the same route. Right now I have arrived at the stage of fun flying with confidence in my airplane and want to put some hours on as is. Happy knuckle banging and keep up the reports. BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Seized 447 From: "jb92563" I found Muriatic Acid at the Do-it-center. Well, I managed to disolve all the aluminum from the liner and found it looks pretty smooth and clean underneath that mess. There were a couple bits that did not come off with the acid and does not foam when I apply more. I think it might have been some carbon. I managed to gently scrape it off with a knife however in one area and have a bit more to do just below the exhaust port. After this I intend to finish the cylinder with a cylinder hone putting in the 60 degree cross hatch with the hone. The piston that seized was at the PTO end so I think I ought to remove some of the cooling fins on the cylinder head next to the fan to make it of the "Flow Though" type to get more air to the rear cylinder head. I noticed that they have these "flow though" heads for sale so it must help some. Any suggestions, opinions or comments are welcome. Ray -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126343#126343 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:26 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: posting links vs pictures I just completed a trip in my Firestar and wrote a description of the trip to my friends. The pictures that are imbedded make a file that is 594 kb total. Not too big, but enough given the history of those who insist on staying with dial up that it is sure to cause complaints, to give me pause to post it to the list. I intend to post it since in my opinion it is the reason that I have a Firestar. The little jewel took me into a place that would take most of a day to arrive at, gave me a day of restful bliss and enjoyment. It did it with as much of a margin of safety as could be expected in that area. I might add that a Cessna could not have duplicated the experience that my Firestar handled with ease. It also brought me back home safely. This to me is what my Kolb is all about. This is warning that a 594 kb file is about to be posted to the list. If you do not wish to see it then I suggest that you visit http://www.mail2web.com/ This is the link that will allow you to visit your email server any where and from any computer and see what you have in your email. You can also delete any message that you do not want to download. As you may have noticed the last one that tried to post a link so that those who wanted to see the picture has had nothing but problems and inability to view the link. I am not sure how to make the problem go away. I myself just upgraded my sat. connection, since I could not handle the slow speed of dial up. I guess that is a decision that each of us have to make. I will post the message this evening at about 6 PM Mountain time. This is the best I can do. Videos will be posted of portions of the trip today. That one can be done with a link. Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:35 AM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new pics of the Kolb Suzuki project Hi Russ. I am sure by now you have seen the comments about the space that sneacked into the url. :-) Too bad there is no way to get into a posted message and do some editing. Ron =========== ---- Russ Kinne wrote: ============ Ron My confuser says 'can't find the server 'tinyurl'. I'll keep trying do not archive On Jul 29, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Ron wrote: > > Any of you folks wanting to see the latest pics on my engine > adaptation and some of the problems I am running into take a look > at these pics. I already tested the link so it should work. > > http://tinyurl. com/hl2oy > > Ron (Arizona) > ============= > > -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:42 AM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new pics of the Kolb Suzuki project Hi Bob In this day and age one almost does not expect to have such problems in terms of fit and finish. But I think its almost an obligation that we disclose such things to one another, for several reasons. I think we owe it to fellow Kolbers and aviators to get the straight poop, for the old Caviat Emptor and the second if the distributor does not get the feed back from us the consumer he will not change, not that I am expecting Vassily to change. He rather argue about that. My respect to old Kissinger is increasing all the time now. I guess they don't have CNC out there in Sibiria,, yet.. or they got CNC but too much Smirnoff. :-) Ron ====================== ---- robert bean wrote: ============ I'll be watching both you guy's progress with the four bangers. Have to admit one extra piston would be nice on my Kolb. And you also confirm reports that the SPG/russky redrive, although robust and reliable, is a pain to assemble and fit to the engine. Maybe one of these days I'll go the same route. Right now I have arrived at the stage of fun flying with confidence in my airplane and want to put some hours on as is. Happy knuckle banging and keep up the reports. BB do not archive -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 From: "Thom Riddle" FOREWARNING - Long Post I finally got a chance to do some more testing and jet changes. Before changing anything, I decided this morning to find out what rpms equated to carb. piston/slide position. I marked the throttle cable at 5 equally spaced points. Idle, WOT, and three intermediate equally spaced places. So now I have 4 approx. equal regions marked. I'll number the points from 1-5 with idle being #1. As it turns out, at WOT (#5) the piston/slide is well up inside the cylinder and the next point marked (#4) was exactly where the bottom of the piston just cleared the top of the air intake. This means that at throttle openings between #4 and #5 no more air is being pumped (assuming same rpm) than at WOT (#5) but more fuel is coming in because the jet needle continues to be withdrawn from the needle jet thus making the fuel passage larger. It seems to me that, THIS, not the size of the main jet, is why the EGTs go down at WOT. The main jet is an ultimate limiting factor but not the whole enchilada. BTW, at WOT I was seeing 6600 rpm this morning in the cool weather when last time I flew in a good bit warmer weather, I was getting 6450 rpm with the identical setup. More about OAT in a moment. At #4 throttle position I was seeing around 6300 rpm and about 1100F EGTs +/- 25 or so. Remember this is with the stock jetting and needles but the clip in the lowest(richest) position. In the next leaner position I was getting over 1200F. At #3 position I was seeing anywhere from 5500-5800 rpm and EGTs about the same as in #4 position. This position equates to a piston/slide position of about 2/3rds open. I suspected I would not be able to get rpm stability below this point but went ahead and reduced throttle anyway and at the #2 position I was seeing 4800 rpm and it was STABLE with EGTs about 1050-1100F. #2 position is when the piston is about 1/3rd or perhaps a little more open. 4800 rpm with the current prop pitch is the slowest engine rpm I can hold in level flight. I was surprised and mystified at the rpm stability because I had not seen this before nor had I seen EGTs this low at this engine speed. After flying for a total of about an hour I landed. After a rest it was beginning to warm up a good bit so I took off for another flight to confirm the engine stability. At the higher OATs the engine was no longer stable below 5500 rpm and adding the enricher did NOT help but hindered the engine running. I landed and changed the jet from 2.70 (stock) to 2.72 and moved the clip up to the next leaner position (#3) instead of #4. I took off and things were looking pretty good and the rpm stability at 4800 was back and EGTs around 1050-1000F. I landed and changed the jet from 2.72 to 2.74. Now the EGTs were way up to 1200F and the instability was back. This makes no sense to me at all since the 2.74 is supposed to be richer than the 2.72 which is supposed to be richer than the 2.70. I changed back to the 2.72 jet and #3 clip position on the stock (15K2) needle and put the airplane away for the day. The thermals were knocking me about too much. I'm not finished testing yet but have come to some conclusions thus far. 1) I'm beginning to doubt the EGT readings on the EIS. I did not check the plugs after this morning's test flights so I need to do that before concluding the EGTs are wrong. 2) This 447 sure is finicky, much more so than the 377 I had. 3) The OAT seems to make a big difference in engine stability at lower than 5500 rpm with a given jet setup. Next step will be to change the needles from stock (15K2) to 15E5U and 11G2 which were fixes for others with finicky 447s. If I can't get it to run right at various OATs without changing jets for every 20 degrees F of temp change, then I will be thinking seriously about the manual mixture control I've read about for the Bing 54s. If I end up doing this then I'll jet for rich and lean as I need it manually. Thanks for any more input you might have. Thom the Experimenter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126383#126383 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:52 AM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 Excellent post, it is great to get something that you can really chew on and think about. Reference your idea for the manual mixture control: years ago a friend had a Hummer with a Zenoah 250 that used a Mikuni pumper carb. Since the high speed needle on the carb was on the pilot's side of everything, we took a short stub of fuel hose and safety wired it to the needle for a u-joint, then stuck a long dowel into the hose and made an extension that ran all the way to the cockpit. Labeled the directions of twist "rich" and "lean", his goal was to keep his EGT gauge at 1100. Never had an engine failure, and he really liked it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 > > FOREWARNING - Long Post > > I finally got a chance to do some more testing and jet changes. Before > changing anything, I decided this morning to find out what rpms equated to > carb. piston/slide position. I marked the throttle cable at 5 equally > spaced points. Idle, WOT, and three intermediate equally spaced places. So > now I have 4 approx. equal regions marked. I'll number the points from 1-5 > with idle being #1. > > As it turns out, at WOT (#5) the piston/slide is well up inside the > cylinder and the next point marked (#4) was exactly where the bottom of > the piston just cleared the top of the air intake. This means that at > throttle openings between #4 and #5 no more air is being pumped (assuming > same rpm) than at WOT (#5) but more fuel is coming in because the jet > needle continues to be withdrawn from the needle jet thus making the fuel > passage larger. It seems to me that, THIS, not the size of the main jet, > is why the EGTs go down at WOT. The main jet is an ultimate limiting > factor but not the whole enchilada. BTW, at WOT I was seeing 6600 rpm this > morning in the cool weather when last time I flew in a good bit warmer > weather, I was getting 6450 rpm with the identical setup. More about OAT > in a moment. > > At #4 throttle position I was seeing around 6300 rpm and about 1100F EGTs > +/- 25 or so. Remember this is with the stock jetting and needles but the > clip in the lowest(richest) position. In the next leaner position I was > getting over 1200F. > > At #3 position I was seeing anywhere from 5500-5800 rpm and EGTs about > the same as in #4 position. This position equates to a piston/slide > position of about 2/3rds open. > > I suspected I would not be able to get rpm stability below this point but > went ahead and reduced throttle anyway and at the #2 position I was seeing > 4800 rpm and it was STABLE with EGTs about 1050-1100F. #2 position is when > the piston is about 1/3rd or perhaps a little more open. 4800 rpm with the > current prop pitch is the slowest engine rpm I can hold in level flight. > I was surprised and mystified at the rpm stability because I had not seen > this before nor had I seen EGTs this low at this engine speed. After > flying for a total of about an hour I landed. > > After a rest it was beginning to warm up a good bit so I took off for > another flight to confirm the engine stability. At the higher OATs the > engine was no longer stable below 5500 rpm and adding the enricher did NOT > help but hindered the engine running. > > I landed and changed the jet from 2.70 (stock) to 2.72 and moved the clip > up to the next leaner position (#3) instead of #4. I took off and things > were looking pretty good and the rpm stability at 4800 was back and EGTs > around 1050-1000F. I landed and changed the jet from 2.72 to 2.74. > > Now the EGTs were way up to 1200F and the instability was back. This makes > no sense to me at all since the 2.74 is supposed to be richer than the > 2.72 which is supposed to be richer than the 2.70. I changed back to the > 2.72 jet and #3 clip position on the stock (15K2) needle and put the > airplane away for the day. The thermals were knocking me about too much. > > I'm not finished testing yet but have come to some conclusions thus far. > > 1) I'm beginning to doubt the EGT readings on the EIS. I did not check the > plugs after this morning's test flights so I need to do that before > concluding the EGTs are wrong. > 2) This 447 sure is finicky, much more so than the 377 I had. > 3) The OAT seems to make a big difference in engine stability at lower > than 5500 rpm with a given jet setup. > > Next step will be to change the needles from stock (15K2) to 15E5U and > 11G2 which were fixes for others with finicky 447s. If I can't get it to > run right at various OATs without changing jets for every 20 degrees F of > temp change, then I will be thinking seriously about the manual mixture > control I've read about for the Bing 54s. If I end up doing this then I'll > jet for rich and lean as I need it manually. > > Thanks for any more input you might have. > > Thom the Experimenter > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126383#126383 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 From: "Thom Riddle" Richard, Thanks for your comments on the "home-made" manual mixture control. I'm sure it works fine but I'm not quite that much of an experimenter so if I can't get satisfactory results with jet/needle changes I'm looking at the one that Greenskyadventures sells. I don't want the automatic HACman, just the manual one. For those who have not seen this, here is a link Manual Mixture Control for Bing 54 http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/manualMixPrelease.htm Automatic Altitude Compensating Mixture Control http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/hacinstall.htm -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126393#126393 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:16 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Seaplane base ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:02 PM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tail wheel alignment I hope my picture sending skills are better than my descriptions. Thanks G.Aman I was reading the description, and about half way through gave up. A picture is worth a thousand words.... A couple pictures would be great to really get an idea of your mod. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126140#126140 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 From: "jb92563" After reading all the posts I cant help but think that due to the instability there has to be a leak somewhere on the carb/intake side. Im not familiar with the 447's but perhaps there is an intake leak at a gasket or a crack in an extension, or even something wrong in the carb. Everytime I have ever experienced erratic engine speeds its because the fuel/air mixture is varying outside of normal throttle control.....airleak, bubbles, restrictions (ie dirt particles in carb) How far is your fuel pickup height from the carb height? Using Fuel pump? Crank pressure to fuel pump leaks, fuel pump leaks (hole in fuel pump diaphram) Just some more ideas to check out. Ray -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126402#126402 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:39 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: posting links vs pictures Larry, Mike, Rick, et al, Wish you guys would actually read what I've said in the past posts, not what you'd infer. I don't 'insist on staying with dial-up' as you put it. I live in a rural area, Verizon is our only phone service, and they refuse to perform any upgrades. So I'm stuck with dial-up, get it? And I do need to view attachments for work, so for those who propose blocking attachments, that won't work either. Part of the problem may be with Verizon's system, as it 'hangs' my connection during most downloads over 150K. They don't know why, I don't know why. Others have also wondered aloud on this list why the embedded pics (which are the minority) are still posted. I see most folks using links, and agree some education may be in order for those who don't know how. Rest assured, if I were to post pics, it would be through links. For those who feel the need to flame, please grow up.... Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: Kolb-List: posting links vs pictures I just completed a trip in my Firestar and wrote a description of the trip to my friends. The pictures that are imbedded make a file that is 594 kb total. Not too big, but enough given the history of those who insist on staying with dial up that it is sure to cause complaints, to give me pause to post it to the list. I intend to post it since in my opinion it is the reason that I have a Firestar. The little jewel took me into a place that would take most of a day to arrive at, gave me a day of restful bliss and enjoyment. It did it with as much of a margin of safety as could be expected in that area. I might add that a Cessna could not have duplicated the experience that my Firestar handled with ease. It also brought me back home safely. This to me is what my Kolb is all about. This is warning that a 594 kb file is about to be posted to the list. If you do not wish to see it then I suggest that you visit http://www.mail2web.com/ This is the link that will allow you to visit your email server any where and from any computer and see what you have in your email. You can also delete any message that you do not want to download. As you may have noticed the last one that tried to post a link so that those who wanted to see the picture has had nothing but problems and inability to view the link. I am not sure how to make the problem go away. I myself just upgraded my sat. connection, since I could not handle the slow speed of dial up. I guess that is a decision that each of us have to make. I will post the message this evening at about 6 PM Mountain time. This is the best I can do. Videos will be posted of portions of the trip today. That one can be done with a link. Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:01 PM PST US From: "Mike Welch" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 Ray, I can't help but think you're onto something that is a distinct possibility. In my experience with working with carburator problems, an erratic behaving carb MIGHT have something other than jets and needles that are causing the problem(s). As I am always led to believe, when you find the "culprit" you will want to kick yourself for overlooking the obvious. That's not suggest that Thom hasn't checked the obvious, but at this point, with the engine rpm and temps seemingly all over the place, I would take a step back and reccommend the following; 1) Insure the gages are accurate and are functioning properly. 2) Spray carb-cleaner around the base and sides of the carb, while the engine is running, watching for any increase in rpms (indicating an air leak) (Build a carb throat inlet extension, if you have to, to make sure no vapors get sucked down the carb, giving you a false reading.) It sounds as though Thom is on top of things, with all the testing and what-not he's doing, but I kind of get the impression the high egt temps sound like a leak, too. FWIW, Mike in SW Utah >From: "jb92563" >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: needles for 447 >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:21:47 -0700 > > >After reading all the posts I cant help but think that due to the >instability there has to be a leak somewhere on the carb/intake side. > >Im not familiar with the 447's but perhaps there is an intake leak at a >gasket or a crack in an extension, or even something wrong in the carb. > >Everytime I have ever experienced erratic engine speeds its because the >fuel/air mixture is varying outside of normal throttle control.....airleak, >bubbles, restrictions (ie dirt particles in carb) > >How far is your fuel pickup height from the carb height? Using Fuel pump? > >Crank pressure to fuel pump leaks, fuel pump leaks (hole in fuel pump >diaphram) > >Just some more ideas to check out. > >Ray > >-------- >Ray >Riverside County, CA > >Do Not Archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126402#126402 > > _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:17 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: posting links vs pictures Ed, May I suggest a possible work-around for you? Dial in, go to your internet providers website, log into your webmail account (I believe Mindspring has this capability) and delete the message while it's still on their server. Bob ---- Ed Chmielewski wrote: > Larry, Mike, Rick, et al, > > Wish you guys would actually read what I've said in the past posts, not what you'd infer. I don't 'insist on staying with dial-up' as you put it. I live in a rural area, Verizon is our only phone service, and they refuse to perform any upgrades. So I'm stuck with dial-up, get it? And I do need to view attachments for work, so for those who propose blocking attachments, that won't work either. > > Part of the problem may be with Verizon's system, as it 'hangs' my connection during most downloads over 150K. They don't know why, I don't know why. Others have also wondered aloud on this list why the embedded pics (which are the minority) are still posted. I see most folks using links, and agree some education may be in order for those who don't know how. Rest assured, if I were to post pics, it would be through links. > > For those who feel the need to flame, please grow up.... > > Ed in JXN > MkII/503 > Do not archive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Cottrell > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:11 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: posting links vs pictures > > > I just completed a trip in my Firestar and wrote a description of the trip to my friends. The pictures that are imbedded make a file that is 594 kb total. Not too big, but enough given the history of those who insist on staying with dial up that it is sure to cause complaints, to give me pause to post it to the list. I intend to post it since in my opinion it is the reason that I have a Firestar. The little jewel took me into a place that would take most of a day to arrive at, gave me a day of restful bliss and enjoyment. It did it with as much of a margin of safety as could be expected in that area. I might add that a Cessna could not have duplicated the experience that my Firestar handled with ease. It also brought me back home safely. This to me is what my Kolb is all about. > This is warning that a 594 kb file is about to be posted to the list. If you do not wish to see it then I suggest that you visit http://www.mail2web.com/ This is the link that will allow you to visit your email server any where and from any computer and see what you have in your email. You can also delete any message that you do not want to download. As you may have noticed the last one that tried to post a link so that those who wanted to see the picture has had nothing but problems and inability to view the link. I am not sure how to make the problem go away. I myself just upgraded my sat. connection, since I could not handle the slow speed of dial up. I guess that is a decision that each of us have to make. > I will post the message this evening at about 6 PM Mountain time. This is the best I can do. Videos will be posted of portions of the trip today. That one can be done with a link. > Larry C > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:21 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: posting links vs pictures >> Wish you guys would actually read what I've said in the past >> posts, not what you'd infer. I don't 'insist on staying with dial-up' as >> you put it. I live in a rural area, Verizon is our only phone service, >> and they refuse to perform any upgrades. So I'm stuck with dial-up, get >> it? The thing that I get is that I live in a much more rural area than you could visualize and I put in Sat. Doesn't cost any more than any other service and gives me 1 mb baud. Larry do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:29 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: posting links vs pictures Sat is $50+/mo, DSL $15, dialup a bit less than $15....so locally sat does cost more, a lot more, but when you can get DSL, it's almost as cheap as dialup. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: posting links vs pictures From: "JetPilot" Ed in JXN wrote: > > > And I do need to view attachments for work, so for those who propose blocking attachments, that won't work either. > > > Did you not read my first suggestion ???? If you use the web based forum instead of the antiquated email system, NONE of this will be an issue. All you need to do is read what you like, and if you want to see an attachment you click on the thumbnail. It does not get any eaiser than that... Why do you continue to ignore this option ??? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126475#126475 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:58 PM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Seaplane base You did good Steve, Looks very nice...I am going to come up and look at it next winter when I am in Florida. Jim Swan Firestar ll 503 N663S Mi do not archive ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:19 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: posting links vs pictures At 06:49 PM 7/30/2007, JetPilot wrote: >Did you not read my first suggestion ???? If you use the web based forum >instead of the antiquated email system, NONE of this will be an >issue. All you need to do is read what you like, and if you want to see >an attachment you click on the thumbnail. It does not get any eaiser >than that... Why do you continue to ignore this option ??? I don't have dialup any more, but I remember what it was like and sympathize with those who do. Browsing the messages in a web based forum is even worse with a slow dialup connection; it's an exercise in agony. Using an email client is the only viable option for dialup users who receive lots of emails, and/or who can't tie up the telephone line all the time: the email program dials up, downloads all incoming messages at once, and hangs up, where you can read and compose replies at your leisure while not connected. Attachments REALLY slow this process down. The Matronics photo share does sound pretty much a PITA, though. May I propose an alternate: create a fee account on a picture hosting service like photobucket.com and upload your images there... and post the link on the bbs. -Dana -- -- "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt" -Cicero, 68 B.C. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:35 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new pics of the Kolb suzuki project From: "planecrazzzy" Hi Ron, There "IS" a way to edit your posts.... But , First you have to "Log-in" so the system knows who you are , and which posts you can edit....( yours only ) .. .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. captainron1(at)cox.net wrote: > > > Too bad there is no way to get into a posted message and do some editing. > Ron > > > > > [b] > -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126501#126501 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:03 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: fishing I decided to remove the pictures, it just isn't worth the hassle. I do have one question though, If you have to receive attachments for work, that makes it tax deductible and worth the effort of obtaining better internet access. Could it be that I, who lives 95 miles from the nearest grocery store have access to more amenities than you? Hi, I decided yesterday to make a trip down in the canyon to go fishing. I had been wanting to do that for a long time, but weather (wind) and other commitments kept getting in the way. The weather while hot (100) finally calmed down a bit and looked favorable, so I packed everything that I thought I would need into the plane for an over night trip. I was sure that the wind would be good in the mornings with the wind coming up in the evening as usual, so my plan was to stay overnight and come back the next morning. The wind was calm and the canyon was deserted. I saw no one at all any where in the canyon. I landed at an old cabin with a dirt floor and set up camp. Then I went to the river to do a bit of fishing. I caught both Bass and Channel Cats on a little Panther Martin lure. One of the Bass was only about 6 inches long and he had managed to get the lure so far down his throat that I couldn't release him so I tossed him on the bank to use for "cut bait". I had gotten snagged on something out in the River and did not want to lose my lure so I stripped down and waded out to retrieve it. The water was really nice and I managed to get the lure back without going in over my head. It seemed like a good idea, so I put every thing on the bank and went swimming for a while. A deer came down to the river to drink as I was working my way up river. The current was only about 3 miles per hour and very comfortable. The river is mostly fairly shallow with pools here and there. I floated the 200 yards or so that I had gone up the River, back to the spot that I left every thing. I went back to the deep pool and filleted the small Bass and tossed a chunk of it in the river with a slip bobber. I was preparing to get comfortable and discovered that the bobber had disappeared. I of course missed that one, but decided that I had better get serious. It was 12:30, hot as could be, and I couldn't keep fish off the bait. I of course missed a lot of the bites since I was using a small bait hook, but not all of them. I finally quit because I was catching so many of them. Since I couldn't catch any more fish, I decided to go for a walk up to the fast water and refill my water bottles. I had brought a "Sweetwater" filter pump with me because I knew that I was going to need more water than I could carry. Some Crystal lite packets made the water taste good even though it was pretty warm. I had returned back to where I had been fishing and watched a Coyote prospecting the river bank trying to fish. He was pretty wet and apparently had been trying to catch some of the Carp basking near the shore. I finally decided that the fish would spoil if I stayed over night and the wind had not come up as I had feared that it would, so I went back, broke camp, and started cleaning fish. I got every thing squared away by 7 PM and although the wind was blowing the opposite direction that I wanted to go, took off heading home. Once I got a bit of altitude the wind changed and gave me the assist that I thought it would. I had as much as a 20 MPH boost in some of the areas. I made it home in good time, and although the landing was pretty interesting due to the wind, got the plane tucked away in the hanger with no problem. Larry ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:16 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: posting links vs pictures X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) > Did you not read my first suggestion ???? And why are you so insistent that you be listened to and obeyed????? (see...one more question mark than you....I must be more insistent, eh?) Play nice. Not everyone has the luxury of being you....... Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:01 PM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: fishing Great story! Sure wish I could see those pictures! :-) On 7/30/07, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > I decided to remove the pictures, it just isn't worth the hassle. I do > have one question though, If you have to receive attachments for work, that > makes it tax deductible and worth the effort of obtaining better internet > access. Could it be that I, who lives 95 miles from the nearest grocery > store have access to more amenities than you? > > > Hi, > I decided yesterday to make a trip down in the canyon to go fishing. I > had been wanting to do that for a long time, but weather (wind) and other > commitments kept getting in the way. The weather while hot (100) finally > calmed down a bit and looked favorable, so I packed everything that I > thought I would need into the plane for an over night trip. I was sure that > the wind would be good in the mornings with the wind coming up in the > evening as usual, so my plan was to stay overnight and come back the next > morning. > The wind was calm and the canyon was deserted. I saw no one at all any > where in the canyon. I landed at an old cabin with a dirt floor and set up > camp. Then I went to the river to do a bit of fishing. I caught both Bass > and Channel Cats on a little Panther Martin lure. One of the Bass was only > about 6 inches long and he had managed to get the lure so far down his > throat that I couldn't release him so I tossed him on the bank to use for > "cut bait". > > I had gotten snagged on something out in the River and did not want to > lose my lure so I stripped down and waded out to retrieve it. The water was > really nice and I managed to get the lure back without going in over my > head. It seemed like a good idea, so I put every thing on the bank and went > swimming for a while. A deer came down to the river to drink as I was > working my way up river. The current was only about 3 miles per hour and > very comfortable. The river is mostly fairly shallow with pools here and > there. I floated the 200 yards or so that I had gone up the River, back to > the spot that I left every thing. I went back to the deep pool and filleted > the small Bass and tossed a chunk of it in the river with a slip bobber. I > was preparing to get comfortable and discovered that the bobber had > disappeared. I of course missed that one, but decided that I had better get > serious. It was 12:30, hot as could be, and I couldn't keep fish off the > bait. I of course missed a lot of the bites since I was using a small bait > hook, but not all of them. I finally quit because I was catching so many of > them. > > Since I couldn't catch any more fish, I decided to go for a walk up to > the fast water and refill my water bottles. I had brought a "Sweetwater" > filter pump with me because I knew that I was going to need more water than > I could carry. Some Crystal lite packets made the water taste good even > though it was pretty warm. I had returned back to where I had been fishing > and watched a Coyote prospecting the river bank trying to fish. He was > pretty wet and apparently had been trying to catch some of the Carp > basking near the shore. > I finally decided that the fish would spoil if I stayed over night and > the wind had not come up as I had feared that it would, so I went back, > broke camp, and started cleaning fish. I got every thing squared away by 7 > PM and although the wind was blowing the opposite direction that I wanted to > go, took off heading home. Once I got a bit of altitude the wind changed and > gave me the assist that I thought it would. I had as much as a 20 MPH boost > in some of the areas. I made it home in good time, and although the landing > was pretty interesting due to the wind, got the plane tucked away in the > hanger with no problem. > Larry > > * > > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.