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1. 04:58 AM - Re: Re: New to the list (possums)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: New to the list (Paul Petty)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Richard Pike)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Wing strut vibration (Richard Girard)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Richard Girard)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: Pics (planecrazzzy)
8. 09:49 AM - Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Steve Spence)
9. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Ron)
10. 10:35 AM - Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Ron)
11. 10:56 AM - Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Ron)
12. 11:00 AM - Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Ron)
13. 05:55 PM - Re: Wing strut vibration (WillUribe@aol.com)
14. 07:45 PM - Re: Pics (jerb)
15. 09:07 PM - last of the video's of Owyhee (Larry Cottrell)
16. 10:10 PM - Re: last of the video's of Owyhee (Mike Welch)
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list |
At 11:27 PM 8/3/2007, you wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>This is my first day on the list.
Here's what the new twin looks like.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8558932262133094065&hl=en
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list |
Tommy,
Welcome to the matronics Kolb list! Lots of great folks here and a few old sore
heads but all great people!
do not archive
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
912 UL 70" warp
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
Very interresting, 220 pounds is the same weight as a fully tricked out
Corvair engine, which would be my first choice for an ultra-reliable
affordable engine. The only thing holding me back is the extra weight, about
80 pounds more than the airframe was designed for. Which is sitting up and
behind your head in the event of a mishap. But keep us posted, I am still
interested.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>
> Today I weighed the Suzuki motor with the SPG-2 reduction drive. The motor
> net weight without intake ECM muffler and radiator tipped the scale at 172
> pounds. I am fairly certain that up and running with all the peripherals
> ready to fly it should be around 220 pounds total. With some real trimming
> I guess I could knock off around 20 pounds.
> I also weighed the Kolb frame today it came in at 312 lb no fabric or
> lexan or instruments.
> can I get some ideas of M3X's empty weight so I can compare.
> I am guessing that my M3X ready to fly will weigh around 580 lbs.
> Your guess is as good as mind at this stage.
> Thanks
> Ron
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing strut vibration |
WARNING: Strong Opinion following!!!!!!!
IMHO the Kolb, any Kolb, with it's welded cage, is the only ultralight based
aircraft that's built like an aircraft and NOT like a lawn chair. There are
things on my MK III that I'd like to change to get rid of some drag and make
it a bit more efficient, but not enough that I'd ever consider getting rid
of it.
Rick
On 8/3/07, huronflyer <herrondr@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
> I fly another ultralight.
> As of today I may consider Kolb, because of some performance differences.
>
> Please I am not trying to be a jerk; a very well know, popular ultralight
> had a bracket fail recently causing the stut and its other strut same side
> to fail.
> Fortunately, they had a BRS.
>
> I went to my planes forum and asked some heavy questions, the result was
> our
> planes attach point is designed better and includes an aluminum/nylon
> plug, to
> overcome unwanted over compression...an inspection of the ronnie bracket
> show
> ed no visible fracture.
>
> Anyhow, I am considering the purchase of a Kolb, but I know nothing about
> its
> design integrity, i.e. struts, etc.
>
> Would you be kind enough to give me some insight.
>
> drh
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127424#127424
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
The reason the Army finally gave up on Wright pushers and bought Curtiss
trainers was so many deaths caused by the engine ripping loose from it's
mounting in otherwise survivable minor crashes.
220 lb., Geez, you could have any of the four cylinder Continentals, save
the IO-240B, or the Lyc O-235 for that weight.
Just MHO.
Rick
do not archive
On 8/4/07, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>
>
> Very interresting, 220 pounds is the same weight as a fully tricked out
> Corvair engine, which would be my first choice for an ultra-reliable
> affordable engine. The only thing holding me back is the extra weight,
> about
> 80 pounds more than the airframe was designed for. Which is sitting up and
> behind your head in the event of a mishap. But keep us posted, I am still
> interested.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:23 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>
>
> >
> > Today I weighed the Suzuki motor with the SPG-2 reduction drive. The
> motor
> > net weight without intake ECM muffler and radiator tipped the scale at
> 172
> > pounds. I am fairly certain that up and running with all the peripherals
> > ready to fly it should be around 220 pounds total. With some real
> trimming
> > I guess I could knock off around 20 pounds.
> > I also weighed the Kolb frame today it came in at 312 lb no fabric or
> > lexan or instruments.
> > can I get some ideas of M3X's empty weight so I can compare.
> > I am guessing that my M3X ready to fly will weigh around 580 lbs.
> > Your guess is as good as mind at this stage.
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
Ron
220 lbs is a bit heavy. My VW is around 170-175 and that is heavy. The empty
weight of my MKIIIC is 598lbs. Add 10 gallons of fuel and my 210 and I have
142lbs for a passenger. I assume the MKIIIX is a bit heaver than a MKIIC and
add 50lbs of engine and you will end up with a 1 to 1 1/2 passenger
airplane.
I see Raven advertises their 1.3 engine at 168lbs and 115HP with turbo. Is
this all advertising? There is a current trend for aircraft engine
manufactures exaggerate. You really need to put that engine on a diet. What
is the power rating on that engine. Someone at Oshkosh last week was telling
me his 1.3 engine with the same redrive you have weighed 220lbs. and
produced 70HP. Lets assume you will be happy with that engine weight what
about power? You really don't want want a under powered and over weight
airplane.
Also I hear people talking about turbo charging their engines to get more
power. Is that a good idea? Aircraft engines are turbo charged only to
maintain power at higher altitudes not to increase rated power. In a
automobile a engine is designed to run at close to 30% rated power with only
short bursts of 100% power. In a airplane you run at 60-70% power all the
time. Assuming you have a engine designed to be turbo charged is it designed
to run at 60% power?
For my own peace of mind I built my VW using parts that are designed to run
in a dune buggy in the 150+ range at 6,000-7,000 RPM. I fly it at cruise
3200RPM and calculate it is producing 50HP. When taking off I turn 3600RPM
and around 80HP. This engine has a history of running reliably at these
power levels in airplanes. We know the 912 series Rotax engines are reliable
at their rated power and their 2 strokes some what less.
Food for thought.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>
> Today I weighed the Suzuki motor with the SPG-2 reduction drive. The motor
> net weight without intake ECM muffler and radiator tipped the scale at 172
> pounds. I am fairly certain that up and running with all the peripherals
> ready to fly it should be around 220 pounds total. With some real trimming
> I guess I could knock off around 20 pounds.
> I also weighed the Kolb frame today it came in at 312 lb no fabric or
> lexan or instruments.
> can I get some ideas of M3X's empty weight so I can compare.
> I am guessing that my M3X ready to fly will weigh around 580 lbs.
> Your guess is as good as mind at this stage.
> Thanks
> Ron
>
>
>
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Sorry Charlie,
You must be talking about yer sef , eh Charlie....
Seems you just don't get along ANYWHERE.....
That's too bad ......
Do you HAVE a plane....?
Maybe your just givin people that "do" , a hard time....
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
PS... THANKS for the "Clutter" Charlie....remember Do not archive ??????
[quote="ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne"]
>
>
>
>
> Might explain why pilots of bigger planes are so bigoted about
> UL's/light planes.
>
> Charlie
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Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
Ron:
Mine is an older heavy cage and weighs in empty with BRS at 663.4, no fuel.
Steve Spence
Mk3X-tra 912-S
Auburn Hills MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>
> Today I weighed the Suzuki motor with the SPG-2 reduction drive. The motor
> net weight without intake ECM muffler and radiator tipped the scale at 172
> pounds. I am fairly certain that up and running with all the peripherals
> ready to fly it should be around 220 pounds total. With some real trimming
> I guess I could knock off around 20 pounds.
> I also weighed the Kolb frame today it came in at 312 lb no fabric or
> lexan or instruments.
> can I get some ideas of M3X's empty weight so I can compare.
> I am guessing that my M3X ready to fly will weigh around 580 lbs.
> Your guess is as good as mind at this stage.
> Thanks
> Ron
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
I am guessing you are addressing this to me. Its a Kolb Mark iii xtra. If you are
going to buy a Kolb I suggest the second thing you ought to do is go to the
Kolb site and read up on everything there.
Normally its also a good idea to provide a brief back quote, its particularly helpful
for those who may be off for a while so they know what you are talking
about.
Ron
============
---- huronflyer <herrondr@yahoo.ca> wrote:
============
Which Kolb are you putting the Suzuki on?
I know a guy with a Geo turbo on a 2place Beaver, which works very well for him
TO from 4000'+ lake in BC.
I am just entering the Kolb scene, I fly another ultralight.
Cheers,
drh
C-IIII, CYEL
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kugelair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
I have been eying my frame designed engine mount support, and although I am not
worried about its strength in normal hard flights I am constantly looking at
it for moment dynamics. After its installed I'll attach some more bracing. I don't
know how many G's it takes to crumple the cage to be fatal, but I certainly
think that with some nominal bracing I can make the mount strong enough to
exceed that value, so it won't be the cause..... I think,,,, .
Ron
=================
---- Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
============
Very interresting, 220 pounds is the same weight as a fully tricked out
Corvair engine, which would be my first choice for an ultra-reliable
affordable engine. The only thing holding me back is the extra weight, about
80 pounds more than the airframe was designed for. Which is sitting up and
behind your head in the event of a mishap. But keep us posted, I am still
interested.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>
> Today I weighed the Suzuki motor with the SPG-2 reduction drive. The motor
> net weight without intake ECM muffler and radiator tipped the scale at 172
> pounds. I am fairly certain that up and running with all the peripherals
> ready to fly it should be around 220 pounds total. With some real trimming
> I guess I could knock off around 20 pounds.
> I also weighed the Kolb frame today it came in at 312 lb no fabric or
> lexan or instruments.
> can I get some ideas of M3X's empty weight so I can compare.
> I am guessing that my M3X ready to fly will weigh around 580 lbs.
> Your guess is as good as mind at this stage.
> Thanks
> Ron
>
>
>
--
kugelair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
My impression of Jeron at Raven is that he is not a B's' artist, but he gotta sell
those conversions. its also possible I am over stating the final weight of
my installation. Maybe I can stuff all the remaining peripherals into 200 lb.
package.
I think I would believe Jeron's figures plus about 10 pounds just to make sure.
:-)
If you go with the regular 13B 16V SOHC 80 hp motor I think you would be also in
the 175 lb. range and if you use Raven's RDU maybe lighter. The SPG-2 ain't
light, its built for lots of HP. I'll go and weigh it again today to make sure
I didn't read it wrong (I had a "helper" yesterday...), before I sit it onto
the mount for positioning study.
Ron
============
---- Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> wrote:
============
Ron
220 lbs is a bit heavy. My VW is around 170-175 and that is heavy. The empty
weight of my MKIIIC is 598lbs. Add 10 gallons of fuel and my 210 and I have
142lbs for a passenger. I assume the MKIIIX is a bit heaver than a MKIIC and
add 50lbs of engine and you will end up with a 1 to 1 1/2 passenger
airplane.
I see Raven advertises their 1.3 engine at 168lbs and 115HP with turbo. Is
this all advertising? There is a current trend for aircraft engine
manufactures exaggerate. You really need to put that engine on a diet. What
is the power rating on that engine. Someone at Oshkosh last week was telling
me his 1.3 engine with the same redrive you have weighed 220lbs. and
produced 70HP. Lets assume you will be happy with that engine weight what
about power? You really don't want want a under powered and over weight
airplane.
Also I hear people talking about turbo charging their engines to get more
power. Is that a good idea? Aircraft engines are turbo charged only to
maintain power at higher altitudes not to increase rated power. In a
automobile a engine is designed to run at close to 30% rated power with only
short bursts of 100% power. In a airplane you run at 60-70% power all the
time. Assuming you have a engine designed to be turbo charged is it designed
to run at 60% power?
For my own peace of mind I built my VW using parts that are designed to run
in a dune buggy in the 150+ range at 6,000-7,000 RPM. I fly it at cruise
3200RPM and calculate it is producing 50HP. When taking off I turn 3600RPM
and around 80HP. This engine has a history of running reliably at these
power levels in airplanes. We know the 912 series Rotax engines are reliable
at their rated power and their 2 strokes some what less.
Food for thought.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>
> Today I weighed the Suzuki motor with the SPG-2 reduction drive. The motor
> net weight without intake ECM muffler and radiator tipped the scale at 172
> pounds. I am fairly certain that up and running with all the peripherals
> ready to fly it should be around 220 pounds total. With some real trimming
> I guess I could knock off around 20 pounds.
> I also weighed the Kolb frame today it came in at 312 lb no fabric or
> lexan or instruments.
> can I get some ideas of M3X's empty weight so I can compare.
> I am guessing that my M3X ready to fly will weigh around 580 lbs.
> Your guess is as good as mind at this stage.
> Thanks
> Ron
>
>
>
--
kugelair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
Hi Steve
thanks I can also make that weight empty. How does it fly and what motor are you
using?
Ron
======
---- Steve Spence <sspence801@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
============
Ron:
Mine is an older heavy cage and weighs in empty with BRS at 663.4, no fuel.
Steve Spence
Mk3X-tra 912-S
Auburn Hills MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>
> Today I weighed the Suzuki motor with the SPG-2 reduction drive. The motor
> net weight without intake ECM muffler and radiator tipped the scale at 172
> pounds. I am fairly certain that up and running with all the peripherals
> ready to fly it should be around 220 pounds total. With some real trimming
> I guess I could knock off around 20 pounds.
> I also weighed the Kolb frame today it came in at 312 lb no fabric or
> lexan or instruments.
> can I get some ideas of M3X's empty weight so I can compare.
> I am guessing that my M3X ready to fly will weigh around 580 lbs.
> Your guess is as good as mind at this stage.
> Thanks
> Ron
>
>
>
--
kugelair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wing strut vibration |
What is a ronnie bracket?
(mailto:herrondr@yahoo.ca) >
Hi,
I fly another ultralight.
As of today I may consider Kolb, because of some performance differences.
Please I am not trying to be a jerk; a very well know, popular ultralight
had a bracket fail recently causing the stut and its other strut same side to
fail.
Fortunately, they had a BRS.
I went to my planes forum and asked some heavy questions, the result was our
planes attach point is designed better and includes an aluminum/nylon plug,
to overcome unwanted over compression...an inspection of the ronnie bracket
show ed no visible fracture.
Anyhow, I am considering the purchase of a Kolb, but I know nothing about
its design integrity, i.e. struts, etc.
Would you be kind enough to give me some insight.
drh
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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If your going to be the internet big dog why not promote posting your
pictures to your own web space and include a link to get to them
rather than consuming megabytes of disk storage space and megabits of
bandwidth each time a huge message containing photos is sent. It
solves everyone's problem plus they have the opportunity to learn how
to set up and use a web site which may lend itself to other
applications. I'm sorry but I've had to operate over dial in when on
the road and it can't handle the bandwidth. There are sites that
will furnish web space if you need it, most ISP service includes a
limited amount of web space with the base service which most people
don't make use of.
jerb
At 05:52 PM 8/3/2007, you wrote:
>
>I guess life is easy for me.
>
>If my car uses too much gas I buy one that doesn't.
>If my house is too big I buy a smaller one.
>If my internet connection is too slow I get high speed.
>I take responsibility for what I can control.
>
>Post the pics!! I like big ones with lots of color.
>
>
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| Subject: | last of the video's of Owyhee |
Well I finally licked my upload problems with Google. It seems that I
had not loaded the "Google uploader program" and was just using the demo
model on the Goggle page. The demo program allowed me to paste a url it
appears that these will have to be copied and pasted to your internet
browser.
These are the last two videos of the trip down the river. I wish the
quality was a bit better, but you can at least see what the country is
like. That is, when it is not focused on the interesting little bug.
Wasn't very big about the size of a gnat . I don't recall ever seeing
one with dots on its wings.
Larry C
do not archive
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4092784047498849736&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2003502307576102721&hl=en
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| Subject: | last of the video's of Owyhee |
Hey Lar,
That bug in the video wouldn't be a ....firefly, by any chance? he he he
Sorry, couldn't resist that one,
Mike in SW Uath
>From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: last of the video's of Owyhee
>Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:04:34 -0600
>
>Well I finally licked my upload problems with Google. It seems that I had
>not loaded the "Google uploader program" and was just using the demo model
>on the Goggle page. The demo program allowed me to paste a url it appears
>that these will have to be copied and pasted to your internet browser.
>
>These are the last two videos of the trip down the river. I wish the
>quality was a bit better, but you can at least see what the country is
>like. That is, when it is not focused on the interesting little bug. Wasn't
>very big about the size of a gnat . I don't recall ever seeing one with
>dots on its wings.
>
>Larry C
>do not archive
>
>
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4092784047498849736&hl=en
>
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2003502307576102721&hl=en
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