---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/10/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:29 AM - Re: W&B (pat ladd) 2. 05:49 AM - Re: CHT & EGT control (icrashrc) 3. 05:52 AM - Re: Gainin new outlook (olendorf) 4. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Gainin new outlook (David Key) 5. 06:32 AM - W&B (Jeff Nelson) 6. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Gainin new outlook (Larry Cottrell) 7. 07:36 AM - Re: W&B (Thom Riddle) 8. 07:54 AM - Re: CHT & EGT control (Richard Girard) 9. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Gainin new outlook (Ron) 10. 10:58 AM - Re: I flew a Kolbra last night (Ralph B) 11. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: W&B (Jeff Nelson) 12. 11:30 AM - Re: CHT & EGT control (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 13. 11:39 AM - Re: W&B (Thom Riddle) 14. 12:52 PM - W&B & Antenna (boyd) 15. 03:14 PM - Re: I flew a Kolbra last night (planecrazzzy) 16. 06:47 PM - Re: CHT & EGT control (Richard Girard) 17. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: CHT & EGT control (Jim Baker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:39 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: W&B xls is Microsoft Excel, >> Thanks Dana, I think Wendy has that on her confuser. Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: CHT & EGT control From: "icrashrc" Trust me. Your exhaust valves, seats, and guides care what the EGT's are. :-) -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128449#128449 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gainin new outlook From: "olendorf" Based on email address; jfitzsy(at)stny.rr.com he is in southern tier of New York State. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128450#128450 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:28 AM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Gainin new outlook I found a Mr FITZSIMMONS that lives with his wife only who own a rectangular North/South facing property over 700 feet long But this one is only 52 and I wouldn't call that mid 50's but check out the property... NICE http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=2301+MCGUIRE+LN+COLUMBIA+MO+65202&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=86.135299,105.820313&ie=UTF8&ll=38.974557,-92.154393&spn=0.011077,0.019956&t=k&z=16&om=1 I think no to Austraila because he's using Road Runner ISP and that service is only available in the United States. They are a high speed internet provider so I'm not sure cost is the real issue about why Mr FITZSIMMONS wouldn't want to pay for flying lessons. If someone lives near Columbia, MO then fly over this property and if it's got a runway cut in it, I'm all in.... ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:00 AM PST US From: "Jeff Nelson" Subject: Kolb-List: W&B I finished my Kolb Firestar rework last night and have a question. My W&B is at 33% and the manual says it needs to be at 20 to 37%. My question is what are you guys getting for W&B and being slightly tail heavy has anyone had any issues? I would rather have it a little tail heavy as I can lean forward to get out of any strange situations. When I had the Luscombe I was amazed at how things changed on the plane when I just leaned forward a little. I will be calling for the inspection this PM. I was happy with my weight, I turned out to be 359 with full fuel and an electrical system w battery. It is still a pull start though. That is another thing as the fuel is burned off my W&B will change. I guess I will do a W&B with the tank empty tonight. If anyone is interested I can post the W&B. Let me know. I also installed a IVO 2 blade prop. I can't believe how much smoother it runs over the old wood prop that was on it. Thanks Jeff Nelson Kolb Firestar KXP N1655E Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:26 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gainin new outlook ----- Original Message ----- From: "olendorf" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:52 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gainin new outlook > > Based on email address; jfitzsy(at)stny.rr.com > he is in southern tier of New York State. > I personally am a bit too old and cranky to be playing guessing games. He asked for help and advice and it was given in an attempt to get him safely in the air. He has in effect said that he values that advice, but it probably doesn't apply to him. Lots of people would do anything, including personally helping him do this safely, yet he wants to play games????????????? Thanks but no thanks! Larry C ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:54 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: W&B From: "Thom Riddle" Jeff, I get the impression from your post that you are talking about your CG without you, the pilot, sitting in the airplane. If I am interpreting your post incorrectly, sorry. However, if I'm interpreting it correctly, please note the following: The acceptable CG range is meaningful only with the aircraft loaded (you and fuel and gizmos you carry) and in flight stance, not tail on the ground. You should be interested in the CG location with you in the airplane and full fuel but also with you in the airplane and minimum fuel, since you will use the fuel in flight. Your aircraft empty weight(no fuel) and CG location in flight stance is needed so you can calculate what various loading (different pilot weights) will do to the CG in flight. Your empty weight CG location does not have to be within the acceptable range, in fact rarely will be in a Kolb. I hope this clarifies the meaning and significance of the acceptable CG range numbers. -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128466#128466 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:56 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CHT & EGT control I don't have a four stroke on a Kolb, yet, but the HKS on my trike can definitely be unloaded and just like a two stroke, CHT goes down and EGT goes up. I think the difference here is that the trike has variable angle of incidence unlike a conventional aircraft. Rick do not archive On 8/9/07, Dana Hague wrote: > > > At 04:33 PM 8/9/2007, jb92563 wrote: > > >I figure the most important is the CHT and I figure that throttleing down > >is the way to cool things down a bit if you start to overheat? > > Unless your carb is screwed up and running too lean in the midrange, then > throttling back could make it even worse... > > -Dana > -- > -- > "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public > debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and > controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest > Rome become bankrupt" -Cicero, 68 B.C. > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:31 AM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gainin new outlook That's pretty good. I did a quick search via Google but it did not give me all the details. There used to be a "who is" site that was really good, but I couldn't find it. So the mystery is solved partially,,, now is the why? ;-) Ron do not archive ========================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I flew a Kolbra last night From: "Ralph B" Here's another picture of the Kolbra. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 20 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128497#128497 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/marks_kolbra_128.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:03 AM PST US From: "Jeff Nelson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: W&B Sorry yes I did include myself in the percentage calculation with full fuel and all the gizmo's and the empty weight I had included 5 gal of fuel so with me and everything the full weight is at 565 and my understanding from the paperwork I have this is within the gross weight. I was just asking is where are other people at for their CG. As you know this is a big part of the certification process and needs to be right. Thanks Jeff From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: W&B Jeff, I get the impression from your post that you are talking about your CG without you, the pilot, sitting in the airplane. If I am interpreting your post incorrectly, sorry. However, if I'm interpreting it correctly, please note the following: The acceptable CG range is meaningful only with the aircraft loaded (you and fuel and gizmos you carry) and in flight stance, not tail on the ground. You should be interested in the CG location with you in the airplane and full fuel but also with you in the airplane and minimum fuel, since you will use the fuel in flight. Your aircraft empty weight(no fuel) and CG location in flight stance is needed so you can calculate what various loading (different pilot weights) will do to the CG in flight. Your empty weight CG location does not have to be within the acceptable range, in fact rarely will be in a Kolb. I hope this clarifies the meaning and significance of the acceptable CG range numbers. -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128466#128466 _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:09 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CHT & EGT control Richard Thanks for the input. I figured the EGT would go up like it does in a 2 stroke. As for your comment about "variable angle of incidence" not available in a regular aircraft? I think you fail to understand the fact that both types of aircraft have the ability and need for changing the angle of incidence. You do that by shifting your weight and we do it by elevator deflection. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CHT & EGT control I don't have a four stroke on a Kolb, yet, but the HKS on my trike can definitely be unloaded and just like a two stroke, CHT goes down and EGT goes up. I think the difference here is that the trike has variable angle of incidence unlike a conventional aircraft. Rick do not archive On 8/9/07, Dana Hague wrote: At 04:33 PM 8/9/2007, jb92563 wrote: >I figure the most important is the CHT and I figure that throttleing down >is the way to cool things down a bit if you start to overheat? Unless your carb is screwed up and running too lean in the midrange, then throttling back could make it even worse... -Dana -- -- "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: W&B From: "Thom Riddle" Jeff, My FS 1 CG is at 33.4% with full fuel and me, 33.0% with tank near empty. do not archive -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128505#128505 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:47 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: W&B & Antenna Fei for everyone's information..... I am still hanging in there... and have answered many post off list... and have even sent W&B as well as Antenna attachments to those who needed them.... I have been so busy this summer that sometimes I only check on email every few days... but I do answer those in need. Boyd Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I flew a Kolbra last night From: "planecrazzzy" Mark German's Kolbra... .. .. .. Gotta Fly... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128539#128539 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_flight_to_bloomer_wi__zanks_fly_in_010_387.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_flight_to_bloomer_wi__zanks_fly_in_007_131.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_flight_to_bloomer_wi__zanks_fly_in_006_411.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:02 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CHT & EGT control Blame it on the heat. What I meant was variable thrust line. The angle between the thrust line and the wing is fixed on a Kolb, or other conventional airplane (yes I know about the F8U and the A7 which could jack up the angle of incidence, but I don't know of any others). On a trike, the wing is free to move in pitch and roll, while the thrust line to the carriage (the trike part) is fixed. Hope that makes more sense. Rick Do not archive On 8/10/07, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > > Richard > > Thanks for the input. I figured the EGT would go up like it does in a 2 > stroke. > > As for your comment about "variable angle of incidence" not available in a > regular aircraft? I think you fail to understand the fact that both types of > aircraft have the ability and need for changing the angle of incidence. You > do that by shifting your weight and we do it by elevator deflection. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 10:54 AM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: CHT & EGT control > > I don't have a four stroke on a Kolb, yet, but the HKS on my trike can > definitely be unloaded and just like a two stroke, CHT goes down and EGT > goes up. > I think the difference here is that the trike has variable angle of > incidence unlike a conventional aircraft. > > Rick > > do not archive > > On 8/9/07, Dana Hague wrote: > > > > > > At 04:33 PM 8/9/2007, jb92563 wrote: > > > > >I figure the most important is the CHT and I figure that throttleing > > down > > >is the way to cool things down a bit if you start to overheat? > > > > Unless your carb is screwed up and running too lean in the midrange, > > then > > throttling back could make it even worse... > > > > -Dana > > -- > > -- > > "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public > > debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and > > controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest > > > > "Ya'll drop on in" > > takes on a whole new meaning > > when you live at the airport. > > > > * > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:12 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: CHT & EGT control X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) > > Trust me. Your exhaust valves, seats, and guides care what the EGT's are. :-) Well, sort of...but not in the way you're thinking.... http://www.warmkessel.com/jr/flying/td/jd/59.jsp Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.