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1. 02:01 AM - Re: CHT & EGT control aka close encounters (pat ladd)
2. 02:04 AM - Re: CHT & EGT control (pat ladd)
3. 03:15 AM - training in a Kolb, Houston area (Jimmy Young)
4. 04:51 AM - Re: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Michael Sharp)
5. 07:58 AM - Mark III with an HKS (DANIEL WALTER)
6. 08:56 AM - Emailing: Nose Art 001 (pat ladd)
7. 09:00 AM - Emailing: Nose Art 002 (pat ladd)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (Michael Sharp)
9. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Ron)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (Eugene Zimmerman)
11. 03:11 PM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 002 (Richard Girard)
12. 03:19 PM - motors (tc1917)
13. 03:31 PM - Re: motors (planecrazzzy)
14. 04:10 PM - Re: motors (Jim ODay)
15. 05:01 PM - Re: motors (Richard Girard)
16. 05:01 PM - Re: motors (Richard Girard)
17. 05:28 PM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (George Alexander)
18. 06:08 PM - Re: motors (Steven Green)
19. 06:19 PM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (Michael Sharp)
20. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (Eugene Zimmerman)
21. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: Kolb List WITHOUT pictures attached (already in use) (Ed Chmielewski)
22. 11:18 PM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (henry.voris)
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| Subject: | Re: CHT & EGT control aka close encounters |
great cloud of aluminum a couple hundred below, >>
Hi,
unless we fly near a known airfield or low level track we tend to assume
that we are alone up there. T`aint so
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: CHT & EGT control |
A-7 Corsair II right at my altitude>>
Isnt it amazing that with all that sky........
cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | training in a Kolb, Houston area |
I have had a long time desire to fly and own an ultralight. It is time
to quit dreaming about it and do it. I went up for the first time in mid
July with an instructor who owns a Challenger II and had a great
experience. I may go through the full training process with him.
However, I plan to eventually own and fly a Kolb, and as a result I am
looking for an instructor who trains with a Kolb in the greater Houston
area. Any advice from any of you regarding such a person? Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy in Houston
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
Unless something has changed, Vassili doesn't have an adapter for the VW. I think
Lar Contacted him about it a few months ago.
Mike,
Missouri
Zuki 1.3...Kolb Mark III
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Ron <captainron1@cox.net> wrote:
Richard
Why don't you call Vassily up there in Canada, he will be happy to talk to you.
Mention to him that Ron from Arizona suggested that.
I have not weighed the SPG-2 I think its on the heavy side, I am estimating it
to be around 30 pounds if not a bit more. It ain't light, it is about as tough
as they get, its over built.
http://www.airtrikes.net/engines.shtml
Ron
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---- Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
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Ron
In theory I agree with you I would prefer a gear drive. When I first got my
cog belt drive I complained to the guys at Valley about the vibration. They
had some vibration with their wood props but much less than I had with the
relatively heavy PowerFin. The have been working for years on something that
would dampen the harmonic resonance of the VW engine. I know they tried a
few rubber dampeners and later a sprag clutch with less than desirable
results with their cog belt drives. Finally they came out with the one way
slipping belt system that they are also using on their V twin engine. I have
some concern about the life of the belts as I see belt shavings on my engine
case but there isn't any visible wear on the belts. Also the wear indicator
on the drive doesn't show anything after the 15 hours I have put on them.
They sent me a set of belts that they had run for app. 5 hours so that I
wouldn't have to do the after run in adjustment while on the way to Oshkosh.
They have run the belts 100+ hours so far on their air boat so they should
last that long and there test bed airplane is building hours every day. I
think they put 10 hours that drive/plane just at Oshkosh.
Sorry I got carried away but my point is a redrive needs to be tuned to a
engine to get smooth operation. My redrive is a series 3 drive and is the
result of considerable work that is very likely needed on a gear drive unit.
Rotax has the opportunity to use a considerable development budget to tune
their redrive for their engines and just in the last year or so developed
the slipper clutch for the 912S engine.
To put a SPG-2 drive on a VW might be easy but maybe not? What is the weight
on the redrive? What ratios are available in the 1.6 to 1.7 area? What does
the drive cost? Do they have a drive shaft and a mounting adapter for the
VW? Do they have a dampener built in the drive? Do they offer different
dampeners that would allow tuning for the VW or even your Suzuki.
Good luck on that project. We need Rotax alternatives to force Rotax into a
better pricing structure. In fact every one prices new engines around Rotax
prices.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron"
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>
> Hi Richard
> The only thing I don't like in the GP motor is the belt driven design. Its
> a personal preference, as I have been told that they are as reliable as
> the steel drives. But still I rather have metal transferring the power via
> a shock absorber.
> I am not sure if there is any metal gear box for the VW conversion, but I
> would certainly go for one if there was. The Rotax 912s will have no
> advantage over a VW with a metal gear box similar to an SPG-2 drive. Rotax
> has a big advantage over a Suzuki DOHC because of weight for the total
> package.
> I have not flown my project yet so I can't say if there is a performance
> penalty in comparison, but I am sure there will be none with a VW powered
> unit, because of the lower weight, and with the GP motor you will have
> way more HP than even the Suzuki 1.3 DOHC.
> I can always throttle back is my motto, or derate a motor. But if it ain't
> there, then I ain't got it. :-)
> Ron
> ==========================
>
> ---- Richard Girard wrote:
>
> ============
> Gary, Rick, all, Check out Great Plains Aircraft, they have redrives for
> both ends of the VW.
>
> http://www.greatplainsas.com/gpasproducts.html
>
> Rick
>
> do not archive
>
> On 8/12/07, gary aman wrote:
>>
>> Just thought on a pusher,the pointy end of the engine would be forward
>> and
>> the bell housing mounting points make a solid attach for redrive
>> system,just
>> a thought.
>> GAman
>>
>> *Richard & Martha Neilsen * wrote:
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> I'm very happy with the current setup which drives the prop off the
>> pulley
>> end of the VW crank. It would seem that it would be better to drive the
>> prop
>> off the flywheel end but it isn't done very often. The current setup is
>> smooth and works so well that I would wouldn't fix it. I will leave it so
>> some one else to sort out a redrive on the flywheel end assuming that
>> would
>> really be better. I might switch to a gear drive if it was light and
>> smooth
>> enough. but I would need proof it is better.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* gary aman
>> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:29 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>>
>> I believe you have the best of both worlds in a rock solid engine and a
>> slow turning large disc .You and they should be very happy
>> together.Havethey found a way to drive off of the big end of the shaft?
>> I've built and
>> raced VW s back in the 70's and have high regard for them.
>>
>> *Richard
>> & Martha Neilsen * wrote:
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> It isn't a fluke. High RPM direct drive engines on Kolbs just don't
>> perform very well. You can add extensions which I did with my direct
>> drive
>> VW to cut noise or add power but it really didn't help anything. John W
>> had
>> a Jabiru and New Kolb tried them for a while but they don't recommend
>> them
>> any more. In England where the 912 hasn't been certified they don't have
>> a
>> choice. The horsepower to weight figure sounds great but it is thrust
>> that
>> moves airplanes and high RPM props just don't produce thrust as
>> efficiently
>> as low RPM props. I hear people say that it works better on higher speed
>> airplanes which maybe true but world war II airplanes used reduction
>> drives
>> on V12s and radial engines. I don't consider WWII aircraft slow so there
>> must have been some advantage for them too.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Richard Girard
>> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:03 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V
>>
>> Gary, Have you tried an extension to get the prop a little further from
>> the wing and pod? You'd have to check with the Jabiru folks to see if the
>> bearings can handle the extra leverage the extension adds to all the
>> usual
>> prop forces, but if can be used, it might help reduce your noise level.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> On 8/12/07, gary aman wrote:
>> >
>> > Dan,
>> > There may be others who have a jabiru mounted on their Kolb,but I
>> > for
>> > one do not recommend it.It is a fine engine and runs sweetly with super
>> > fuel economy easy starting hot or cold,but turning a direct drive 3000
>> > rpm
>> > propeller in a Kolb's wing wash produces more noise than you can
>> > control.You will not believe the lengths I have gone to trying to
>> > isolate the cabin from this din.Any geared option would serve you
>> > better.Keeping the prop rpm under 2200 or 2300rpm makes a big
>> > difference.A geared engine w/3.47-1 would be my choice.
>> > G Aman,235hr on the Jabiru with my ears still
>> > ringing
>> >
>> > *lndc * wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
>
> --
> kugelair.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Mark III with an HKS |
Hey Guys, How are you guys doing with your HKS's
, do you think there would be dnough power for a Mark III ?Anybody out
there try a HKS on a Mark III ? How about a Mark II ?
Thanks, Dan
Dan Walter
Palmyra, PA
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| Subject: | Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
HI All,
I think that it was Russ who asked me for my `girlie pics` when I
mentioned the Nose Art on my Xtra. Here it is. I hope others are
interested. As I have never tried sending pics before please forgive me
if it takes 5 hours to download.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Emailing: Nose Art 002 |
OK. Here is one to show just where the pic is fixed
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
Pat,
LOVE IT!!!
Anyone else have nose art on their bird?
I collect nose are off of WWII warbirds, would be nice to have a Kolb page also...
Thanks Pat!!
Mike
Missouri Zuk 1.3
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pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
HI All,
I think that it was Russ who asked me for my `girlie pics` when I mentioned the
Nose Art on my Xtra. Here it is. I hope others are interested. As I have never
tried sending pics before please forgive me if it takes 5 hours to download.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V |
Hi
John, Richard
I looked at the GP site and at their best high HP motor, which iirc puts out around
120hp. Even with the increased weight it seems to me that the p/w ratio would
favor the VW powered motor.
Don't get me wrong if I had the money I'd buy a 912s or a 914.
I still like the big Hirth 2 cycle though, and now I regret not buying it back
a few years ago when one of the Listers pointed me to one for around 2.5K.
Ron (Arizona)
============
Ron, Where the 912 has an advantage over the VW is weight, about 60 lb.
worth. Those Austrian engineers went to great lengths to keep the engine as
light as possible. And if your talking about the 912S your giving up 20 HP,
too.
I like VW's a lot and as a child of the 60's I've owned my share. I even
owned a "Thing", and the Vanagon is on my favorite vehicle list since my son
looped one on Hwy 80 with me sleeping in the back, but I've walked into VW
parts depts carrying the latest broken bit and singing the "Volkswagen, does
it again" commercial jingle too many times. Maybe all the development work
has solved some of the problems, but I've lost the #3 exhaust valve head on
type 1, type 3, and type 4 engines and they don't run worth a darn on three
cylinders.
Rick
On 8/13/07, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> The Rotax 912s will have no advantage over a VW with a metal gear box
> similar to an SPG-2 drive.
>
> > Ron
>
> Ron:
>
> Where did you get that info?
>
> Have you flown the 912ULS and VW with gear box to come to a valid
> conclusion, or just pulled that one out of your fourth point of contact?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
Dear Homer,
Where are the airplane vandals when you really need them.
Gene
On Aug 14, 2007, at 11:54 AM, pat ladd wrote:
> HI All,
> I think that it was Russ who asked me for my `girlie pics` when I
> mentioned the Nose Art on my Xtra. Here it is. I hope others are
> interested. As I have never tried sending pics before please
> forgive me if it takes 5 hours to download.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
> <Nose Art 001.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 002 |
Now this is a pic someone on dial up would be happy to wait for.
Rick
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On 8/14/07, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> OK. Here is one to show just where the pic is fixed
>
> Pat
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Got a question to anyone who has done this or has the knowledge. I have
ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 on my slingshot. I called the DAR who
originally inspected it for the airworthyness cert and he gave me some info
that I dont quite understand. Can anyone clarify for me the procedures for
changing this engine and prop? I know I must report the change and put all
the information as per the regs in the books but am not sure what the
paperwork is and who to. Going through the FARs on line is like trying to
read the serial numbers on transaxles while they pass by on the road. I
think I have to call FSDO tomorrow and ask for some info. anyone done this
recently?
also, just found out that there is a hornets next over certs for e-lsa
registering for their airworthiness cert. something about having to have it
inspected by the proper people for conditional inspection prior to having an
airworthiness inspection. an inspection before an inspection? the dar says
that this is something new and has to be done, another hoop for us to jump
through. man, they sure make it easy to register and stay legal, dont they?
can someone give me some information that a human can understand -- a human
going on 62 that has ingested too many gas fumes in his life. ted cowan,
alabama
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Hi Ted,
As far as "I" know....If you have your "Repairmans Cert"
You just log it in the proper log books.... and fly "off" another 40 hrs in
your original "approved" test area....
( because the engine isn't cerified )
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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On the E-LSA item, I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon with the FSDO to inspect
my FSII. I spoke with the inspector a couple of times on questions he had
on my paperwork.
Nothing has been asked about the "Condition Report" and I completed the inspection
and paperwork and my signature is on the document. I used the form I got
from the EAA in the E-LSA Transition Kit.
The questions that have come up are:
Q: "How much flight time is on the bird?" A: More than 5 hours.
Q: Will you agree to this entry in your log book, "-----" (right out of the operating
limitations published by the FAA) A: Yes
That is it. He said he did not see any other items. He also told me that this
is all new and the instructions he has for guidance new as well. He has done
some P Parachutes but this will be his first fixed wing unit.
I expect the actual inspection to be OK and tomorrow I will be legal.
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Ted, Clarify a few things for me if you would. Have you already been issued
your experimental certificate and operation limitations?
Rick
On 8/14/07, tc1917 <tc1917@hughes.net> wrote:
>
>
> Got a question to anyone who has done this or has the knowledge. I have
> ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 on my slingshot. I called the DAR who
> originally inspected it for the airworthyness cert and he gave me some
> info
> that I dont quite understand. Can anyone clarify for me the procedures
> for
> changing this engine and prop? I know I must report the change and put
> all
> the information as per the regs in the books but am not sure what the
> paperwork is and who to. Going through the FARs on line is like trying to
> read the serial numbers on transaxles while they pass by on the road. I
> think I have to call FSDO tomorrow and ask for some info. anyone done
> this
> recently?
> also, just found out that there is a hornets next over certs for e-lsa
> registering for their airworthiness cert. something about having to have
> it
> inspected by the proper people for conditional inspection prior to having
> an
> airworthiness inspection. an inspection before an inspection? the dar
> says
> that this is something new and has to be done, another hoop for us to jump
> through. man, they sure make it easy to register and stay legal, dont
> they?
> can someone give me some information that a human can understand -- a
> human
> going on 62 that has ingested too many gas fumes in his life. ted cowan,
> alabama
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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oops, should be operating limitations.
Rick
On 8/14/07, Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ted, Clarify a few things for me if you would. Have you already been
> issued your experimental certificate and operation limitations?
>
> Rick
>
> On 8/14/07, tc1917 <tc1917@hughes.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Got a question to anyone who has done this or has the knowledge. I have
> > ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 on my slingshot. I called the DAR
> > who
> > originally inspected it for the airworthyness cert and he gave me some
> > info
> > that I dont quite understand. Can anyone clarify for me the procedures
> > for
> > changing this engine and prop? I know I must report the change and put
> > all
> > the information as per the regs in the books but am not sure what the
> > paperwork is and who to. Going through the FARs on line is like trying
> > to
> > read the serial numbers on transaxles while they pass by on the road. I
> >
> > think I have to call FSDO tomorrow and ask for some info. anyone done
> > this
> > recently?
> > also, just found out that there is a hornets next over certs for e-lsa
> > registering for their airworthiness cert. something about having to
> > have it
> > inspected by the proper people for conditional inspection prior to
> > having an
> > airworthiness inspection. an inspection before an inspection? the dar
> > says
> > that this is something new and has to be done, another hoop for us to
> > jump
> > through. man, they sure make it easy to register and stay legal, dont
> > they?
> > can someone give me some information that a human can understand -- a
> > human
> > going on 62 that has ingested too many gas fumes in his life. ted
> > cowan,
> > alabama
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
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when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
Nose Art for Original Firestar..... (Image 75KB)
Named "The Dash" . Taken from the statement about the stuff on your gravestone.......
Not the dates that are important, but the "DASH" in between.
Gene: Homer would approve.
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Michael Sharp wrote:
> Pat,
>
>
> Anyone else have nose art on their bird?
>
>
>
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Ted,
I made the switch from a 582 to 912S. I called the FSDO and asked the same
question. (This was before LSA) The best I recall it required the
following:
New weight and balance.
New data plate on the plane.
5 hour test period.
Logbook entry stating that the plane still flys. (or something like that)
This is just from memory so I have probably missed something.
I bet you will love the 912.
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: "tc1917" <tc1917@hughes.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: motors
>
> Got a question to anyone who has done this or has the knowledge. I have
> ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 on my slingshot. I called the DAR who
> originally inspected it for the airworthyness cert and he gave me some
> info that I dont quite understand. Can anyone clarify for me the
> procedures for changing this engine and prop? I know I must report the
> change and put all the information as per the regs in the books but am not
> sure what the paperwork is and who to. Going through the FARs on line is
> like trying to read the serial numbers on transaxles while they pass by on
> the road. I think I have to call FSDO tomorrow and ask for some info.
> anyone done this recently?
> also, just found out that there is a hornets next over certs for e-lsa
> registering for their airworthiness cert. something about having to have
> it inspected by the proper people for conditional inspection prior to
> having an airworthiness inspection. an inspection before an inspection?
> the dar says that this is something new and has to be done, another hoop
> for us to jump through. man, they sure make it easy to register and stay
> legal, dont they? can someone give me some information that a human can
> understand -- a human going on 62 that has ingested too many gas fumes in
> his life. ted cowan, alabama
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
My father's nickname was "Bull" Growing up I thought it was because he was as big
as a Bull. As I grew older I found out it was because he was full of BULL..
He helped me with the building untill his death. Prolly what slowed me down, I
kept seeing him "dope" fabric...
I have this worked out as a tribute to him...
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The air up there in the clouds is very pure and fine...And why shouldn't it be?-
--It is the same the angels breathe.
Mark Twain,
Roughing it' 1886
Mike
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Thank You George,
:- )
and thanks for setting an example of how to share nose art by
posting a link.
I used to sometimes read email from the ,,,,,,,"Kolb",,,,,,, list
with grandchildren on my lap eating popcorn.
On Aug 14, 2007, at 8:27 PM, George Alexander wrote:
> Gene: Homer would approve.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List WITHOUT pictures attached (already in use) |
Mike,
Who'd it help?
BTW, 'uses' is plural, so doesn't need the apostrophe in this case.
But you musta knowed thet....
Ed in JXN
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-----Original Message-----
>From: planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 13, 2007 8:10 PM
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb List WITHOUT pictures attached (already in use)
>
>
>Maybe "YOU" don't get it...."I" have Dial up.....
>
> Yep ! You just CAN'T please them all....
>
> Oh well, it did help "some" people.
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
14aug07
Pat,
Thanks for the inspirational nose art... (Kinda far back on the plane for the
nose? Guess you don't want her to get cold in the breeze...)
I have heard that those who endure winter (You know winter... freezing, dark,
NO FLYING, months of boredom, punctuated by bouts of mastodon hunting in the snowdrifts.
And you thought, us guys from Hawaii don't know anything about winter.)
are drawn to women of a rather robust persuasion... Something about the thermal
budget and survival increasing with her surface area...
Attached is a photo of my girl. Tinkerbell is out in front to give her the proper
incentive to activate the Acme Pixie Dust Ejector (On right; replacing the
pitot tube.) during moments of darkness and near panic.
You know Pat, if I had a girl on my FireFly with the extra floatation of yours,
I'd feel a lot better about flying over open water. Maybe us island guys just
think different...
Cheers
Aloha,
--------
Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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