---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/15/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (pat ladd) 2. 04:39 AM - Re: Kolb List WITHOUT pictures attached (already in use) (planecrazzzy) 3. 04:56 AM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (pat ladd) 4. 05:22 AM - Plane english (James Fitzsimmons) 5. 06:16 AM - Re: Plane english (Eugene Zimmerman) 6. 06:50 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Jeremy Casey) 7. 08:55 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Eugene Zimmerman) 8. 08:58 AM - Re: motors (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 9. 09:57 AM - Icom A-5 for sale (Charlie Kirtland) 10. 06:24 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Jeremy Casey) 11. 06:57 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:44 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 Tinkerbell is out in front>> Yes she is!. We can all do with a bit of Fairy Dust. When I posted the pic to the list one of the options I ws offered by the program was to install it as wallpaper on my opening screen. This I did. Wendy, peering at it across the room has just said `Why have you got that picture of a twisted baguette on the screen` Heigh Ho! Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb List WITHOUT pictures attached (already in use) From: "planecrazzzy" Thanks fer da Engrish lesson dar Ed ....iot I went back and fixet it , Glad to hear you hanging .. .. .. on every word... .. .. .. KMA ! .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129290#129290 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:00 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emailing: Nose Art 001 I collect nose are off of WWII warbirds,>> Hi , i have a book of nose art somewhere. The trouble is that most of them are so badly executed. Usually botched up by one of the ground crew. It is only the rebuild and museum pieces that have good pic done with all the help of transfers and modern techniques.etc Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:44 AM PST US From: "James Fitzsimmons" Subject: Kolb-List: Plane english Lookin for opinions. Which one? A FSII 2002 (completed date). Good fabr ic, paint very good,couple patches, all points of continuity sound, standar d gauges, no damage. But UL2-02, 106 on Hobbs. Nicely done ship. Or A , 87 vin. FS, Fabric of same vin. Many patches, say 20 or so. Paint g ood. Same gauges, Sound continuity. 460 hrs on original Hobbs and log. Has 447 Rotax w/ elec. start. 78 hrs. on new motor. Both ships at 7gs. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:23 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Plane english A good engine on failed fabric will come down faster and hit harder than a failed engine on good fabric. On Aug 15, 2007, at 8:22 AM, James Fitzsimmons wrote: > Lookin for opinions. Which one? A FSII 2002 (completed date). > Good fabric, paint very good,couple patches, all points of > continuity sound, standard gauges, no damage. But UL2-02, 106 on > Hobbs. Nicely done ship. > Or > A , 87 vin. FS, Fabric of same vin. Many patches, say 20 or so. > Paint good. Same gauges, Sound continuity. 460 hrs on original > Hobbs and log. Has 447 Rotax w/ elec. start. 78 hrs. on new motor. > Both ships at 7gs. > > Do not archive. > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:34 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly See below... Hi Jack H: Help me out here a lilttle. If I understand the above statement correctly, you could not make your FF stall with VGs installed. It mushed rather than broke cleanly. Now it breaks cleanly and does not mush? What is the advantage of that? I bet it will stall with VGs. john h mkIII John, I have had same experience with the VG's...different airframe though...same fix and same results. Explanation... Original configuration, if plane was slowed and the stick brought back slowly it, would slow, slow, slow...and then eventually stall. Then added VG's to the main wing...now you could slow down and start pulling the stick back...it would slow, slow, slow (approx. 7 MPH slower than before) but if you were gentle with the deceleration, you would hit the elevator rear stop before you got so much as a "buffet" of an impending stall. In other words with the considerably slower airspeed the elevator was not able to generate enough downforce to raise the nose enough to stall the wing...this was coupled with the fact that the VG's allowed the wing to go to a higher angle of attack before stalling anyway. Slower speed = less elevator authority + wing capable of higher AOA than before = an "elevator limited plane", similar to a Ercoupe. The "bad" thing about that is this...you have a plane that while not "stalled" is actually dropping like a rock. Just like the day out at Joneslite in Smiths Station, Al. when you demonstrated the Kolb "mush" to me where we were not really "stalled" (at least never got a drop out of it) but had a rate of descent that would have been ugly on Short,short,short final. Same situation with main wing only VG's on my plane...if you actually used the new and improved super-slow speed capabilities on landing and a steep approach you were going to not have enough elevator authority to get the nose up real quick to arrest the descent and arrive "politely"...;-) Added the VG's under the horizontal stab and the elevator effectiveness improved to the point that even with the super slower new stall speed I was again able to still pull the nose up high enough to stall it (the elevator was again strong enough to overpower the wings desire to fly). This translated into some amazing new STOL ability...slower approaches + total control to arrest the descent rate from a steep approach = SHORT landings... The main wing only VG's are great for making a stall-proof airplane...physically not being able to pull the stick back and get a stall could be a real safety plus...thousands of Ercoupes can't be wrong. (to be totally honest you could snatch the stick back at a higher speed and get an accelerated stall or pull hard in a steep bank and get it to break...but no typical approach control input would do it...) But to get good gentle landings I had to basically keep the same approach speed as before VG's because even though I could fly slower, I couldn't FLARE any slower than before...add the VG's under the horizontal stab and you're back to an airplane that will stall if you tell it to...it will just be slower than before when it does... Clear as mud? Jeremy Casey Hoping to finish up a Kolb "Superfly" by this fall...then the RANS S7 can rest a bit... ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:20 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Jeremy, Inquiring minds want to know. What is a Superfly? How is Super different than Ultra? On Aug 15, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote: > Jeremy Casey > Hoping to finish up a Kolb "Superfly" by this fall...then the RANS S7 > can rest a bit... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:57 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: motors From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" "tc1917" asked: << I have ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 ... Can anyone clarify for me the procedures for changing this engine and prop? >> Ted - I went through the same process two years ago, when I swapped out the Verner engine with a 912ul on my Mark-III. Assuming your aircraft is registered as Experimental/Amateur-Built, the FAA considers an engine change a "major" modification, and thus, you are required to regress to your Phase-I flight test restrictions for a 5 hour period. This means you gotta fly solo and stay in your 25-mile radius of your home airport for the new 5-hour flight test period. After you verify that all is well with the new engine on your Slingshot, you make the logbook entry stating so, and are then free to again exercise all the regular privileges of your Phase-II Operating Limitations. You do everything (the modification, flight testing, logbook entries, etc.). The FAA does not need to be involved. p.s. - Good choice on the 912ul - you'll not regret your decision! Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:19 AM PST US From: "Charlie Kirtland" Subject: Kolb-List: Icom A-5 for sale Folks, I have an Icom A-5 radio that I haven't used in quite a while. The radio has been used very little and is in very good condition. The radio comes with a belt clip, wall charger, headset adapter, a BP-200L Ni-MH battery, a spare battery pack (for alkalines), and an instruction manual. I'd like to have $225 plus a small amount for shipping. I can send a photo of the stuff to anyone interested. I can also E-mail a complete detail sheet noting specs, features, etc., if needed. Contact me at ckirtland1@comcast.net. Charlie ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:16 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Jeremy, Inquiring minds want to know. What is a Superfly? How is Super different than Ultra? Cage from a Firestar KXP that got trashed from being outside not tied down during a pop-up afternoon thunderstorm (wings and tail feathers busted up, cage fine) Build 22' wings (ala Slinghot/Firefly), 7 ribs, bunch of bracing (ala Slingshot) really stout drag strut...single lift strut like all the Kolbs except the Firefly... Add 9" chord ailerons like a Slingshot uses...fab the flaperon mechanism like the Firefly/SS/Firestar2 and get rid of the original Firestar aileron mechanism... Fab a support to mount a 10 Challenger tank Build a set of tail feathers but cut the boom tube down to Slingshot length. Rig it with the lower angle of attack (and decalage of course) of the Slingshot and add Slingshot-like gear legs to get the deck angle right to get a 3 point landing out of it with the lower wing AOA. Weld up a flip-over canopy frame (ala Slingshot). Mount the 503 sitting under the workbench... You basically have a single seat Slingshot. It will only have 52HP but also should be about 100 pounds lighter than a 582 Slingshot. Will have same wing area, flaperons, and tail dimensions and tail rigging of a Slingshot (just little lower wing loading from being lighter). With the lighter weight and the 52 HP of the 503 it will actually have a better power/weight ratio than a 582 Slingshot...that combined with the lower wing loading should mean better takeoff and climb than a 582 Slingshot (which is awesome...) Sound fun? ;-) Jeremy Casey ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:45 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Sounds like fun. If I were doing it, I would use the 6" tube for the main spar tube like the MKIII & Kolbra use. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:23 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly > > > Jeremy, > Inquiring minds want to know. > What is a Superfly? > How is Super different than Ultra? > > > > Cage from a Firestar KXP that got trashed from being outside not tied > down during a pop-up afternoon thunderstorm (wings and tail feathers > busted up, cage fine) > > Build 22' wings (ala Slinghot/Firefly), 7 ribs, bunch of bracing (ala > Slingshot) really stout drag strut...single lift strut like all the > Kolbs except the Firefly... > > Add 9" chord ailerons like a Slingshot uses...fab the flaperon mechanism > like the Firefly/SS/Firestar2 and get rid of the original Firestar > aileron mechanism... > > Fab a support to mount a 10 Challenger tank > > Build a set of tail feathers but cut the boom tube down to Slingshot > length. > > Rig it with the lower angle of attack (and decalage of course) of the > Slingshot and add Slingshot-like gear legs to get the deck angle right > to get a 3 point landing out of it with the lower wing AOA. > > Weld up a flip-over canopy frame (ala Slingshot). > > Mount the 503 sitting under the workbench... > > You basically have a single seat Slingshot. It will only have 52HP but > also should be about 100 pounds lighter than a 582 Slingshot. > > Will have same wing area, flaperons, and tail dimensions and tail > rigging of a Slingshot (just little lower wing loading from being > lighter). With the lighter weight and the 52 HP of the 503 it will > actually have a better power/weight ratio than a 582 Slingshot...that > combined with the lower wing loading should mean better takeoff and > climb than a 582 Slingshot (which is awesome...) > > Sound fun? ;-) > > Jeremy Casey > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.