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2. 03:54 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Thom Riddle)
3. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II to Firefly (gary aman)
4. 09:50 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Thom Riddle)
5. 10:09 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Eugene Zimmerman)
6. 10:24 AM - Re: Mark III with an HKS (JetPilot)
7. 11:50 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Jeremy Casey)
8. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Mark III with an HKS (Richard Pike)
9. 12:24 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Thom Riddle)
10. 12:29 PM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (jb92563)
11. 12:57 PM - 447 fuel line, again (N27SB@aol.com)
12. 01:07 PM - Re: Plane english (jb92563)
13. 01:17 PM - Re: 447 fuel line, again (Richard Girard)
14. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (John Hauck)
15. 01:27 PM - TNK Early Bird Roast (N27SB@aol.com)
16. 01:31 PM - Re: 447 fuel line, again (N27SB@aol.com)
17. 01:32 PM - Re: 447 fuel line, again (Bob Noyer)
18. 02:38 PM - Re: TNK Early Bird Roast (possums)
19. 04:21 PM - Two stroke oil (Richard Girard)
20. 06:37 PM - Re: TNK Early Bird Roast (N27SB@aol.com)
21. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II to Firefly (gary aman)
22. 09:47 PM - Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (jb92563)
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I just thought I would give the 'list guys' (gals included), the heads up on
my engine. I am exchanging a 582 blue head on my slingshot for a 912UL
soon. I will be going to the New Kolb Factory fly-in the end of september.
I am trailering it so I can bring my purty wife. I intend on selling the
engine complete at that time, everything is mounted on the engine, oil
injection bottle, rad., etc., ready to fly. I will send pics if you desire.
I will offer the option of a IVO ground adjust three blade for $5500 or the
brand new Warp on it now for $6000 complete and ready to mount on your bird.
If you are building or going to build, this is a great deal. I have just
about two hundred twenty hours or so on the engine. It runs great and will
demo it for you at the fly in. That is where I am going to pick up my new
912UL and fixtures. If you are really, really insistent, I will take it off
and you pick it up at my place before then but then I wont have anything to
fly when I get there and you might not get a ride in my slingshot. Just
wanted to let the good people of this list know of this opportunity. Ted
Cowan, Alabama 334-480-0822
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II to Firefly |
Jeremy,
Your superfly project sounds like fun for sure. One question: Why do you refer
to the Rotax 503 dual carb engine as 52HP?
I suspect you are just repeating what you've heard/read from many aircraft kit
sales organizations. I've seen this myself countless times. However, all the official
Rotax Engine websites, including Kodiak list this engine's max horsepower
at 37 kilowatts which equates to 49.6 HP using the American standard of 550
ft-lb/sec. method.
FWIW, there are other types of "horsepower" including the following:
37 KW = 49.61 HP (550 ft-lb/sec)
37 KW = 50.31 HP (metric)
37 KW = 49.60 HP (electric)
37 KW = 49.60 HP (water)
37 KW = 3.77 HP (boiler)
There is only one type/measure of kilowatts which is a pretty good reason to specify
power in those units.
The reason I'm saying this is that since the actual HP of the 503 is 49.6 and not
52, your lb/hp calculations are off by nearly 5%. Still sounds like a fun project,
even with 2.4 HP less than you thought.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II to Firefly |
Jeremy is more than likely using the saddle horse co-efficient of power,not the
Budwieser Beer wagon draft horse type,which of course was obvious to us non-engineer
types By the way,did anyone else get a little .004 kick on their condescension
meter? Nah,it's probably the rainy weather .The humility has been really
high this week.
Jeremy,
Your superfly project sounds like fun for sure. One question: Why do you refer
to the Rotax 503 dual carb engine as 52HP?
I suspect you are just repeating what you've heard/read from many aircraft kit
sales organizations. I've seen this myself countless times. However, all the official
Rotax Engine websites, including Kodiak list this engine's max horsepower
at 37 kilowatts which equates to 49.6 HP using the American standard of 550
ft-lb/sec. method.
FWIW, there are other types of "horsepower" including the following:
37 KW = 49.61 HP (550 ft-lb/sec)
37 KW = 50.31 HP (metric)
37 KW = 49.60 HP (electric)
37 KW = 49.60 HP (water)
37 KW = 3.77 HP (boiler)
There is only one type/measure of kilowatts which is a pretty good reason to specify
power in those units.
The reason I'm saying this is that since the actual HP of the 503 is 49.6 and not
52, your lb/hp calculations are off by nearly 5%. Still sounds like a fun project,
even with 2.4 HP less than you thought.
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Thom in Buffalo
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II to Firefly |
Gary,
No offense taken, though it appears you might have been trying. If you knew me,
I doubt you would have said anything about "condescension" or used the word "humility"
in a sarcastic manner.
All I was doing is sharing some facts, which is part of the charter for this list
and the primary reason I think most of us participate. I have learned so much
from the guys on this list that have shared what they know that I don't or
didn't before their sharing. I figure giving back a little from what I know that
others may not, is the proper thing to do, and plan on continuing to do so
when I think it appropriate.
If you (and others perhaps?) wish to continue thinking that the 503 engine is a
52 HP engine when the factory says otherwise, go right ahead. Doesn't bother
me in the least.
Happy aviating!
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Thom in Buffalo
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II to Firefly |
On Aug 15, 2007, at 9:23 PM, Jeremy Casey wrote:
> Sound fun? ;-)
Yeah,
But for even more fun ,,,,,,,,,,,,, use a 582 engine with more power
and less weight.
The 582 with a B box is 3.2 lb. lighter than the 503 and has 14.8
more horses.
http://www.kodiakbs.com/PDF/2strokeweight.PDF
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III with an HKS |
The MK III flys well with 100 HP, I think an 80 HP 912 is the minimum I would want
on that plane.
The HKS is the right power for a Firestar II, not the MK III. I think the HKS
would be horrible on a MK III or maybe not even fly at all.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Firestar II to Firefly |
> Sound fun? ;-)
Yeah,
But for even more fun ,,,,,,,,,,,,, use a 582 engine with more power
and less weight.
The 582 with a B box is 3.2 lb. lighter than the 503 and has 14.8
more horses.
<snip>
true...true.
When I bought the damaged plane that became the basis for this little
project it came with a 447, but a 503 DCDI became available and I like
the dual ignition...so it will go on and the 447 will hibernate under
the bench full of oil in all the appropriate places. I'll have to live
with 49.6HP for now ;-)
Jeremy
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III with an HKS |
Nope, not the right answer.
Kolb marketed the MKIII with the 503 for several years, and I flew one built
to minimum weight with a dual carb 503 on it. With two people, it was slow
climbing, but better than a Cessna 152. An HKS makes more power than a 503,
so you would get performance about mid way between what you get with a 503
and a 582.
Obviously it would be much less fun than with 65, 80, or 100 HP, but it
would certainly be airworthy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III with an HKS
<snip>
I think the HKS would be horrible on a MK III or maybe not even fly at all.
>
> Mike
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> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II to Firefly |
Jeremy,
49.6 hp on a single seat "Superfly" should be plenty. I'd like to see that machine
fly some day. That was not sarcasm, BTW, it was an expression of honest desire
to see this airplane. Neat idea.
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Thom in Buffalo
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
Now youve got me thinking ....I need nose art on my Ultrastar too.
Perhaps we should have some people put ideas here.....sketch em and scan em and
send them in.
For those that don't know how....theres always Kinko's or the relatives digital
camera.
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | 447 fuel line, again |
Just the other day I realized that the fuel line pump ball combo on my Flats
Skiff is the same one that came with it 8 years ago. And that I had one
hanging on the wall from a prior boat twice that old. Both are still soft and
pliable and work fine.
The 447 is a different set up than most other engines in that your are
running mixed fuel through the lines rather than straight gas. If you used Auto
fuel line the oil tends to breakdown the rubber. The clear UL line is only good
for about a year.
I just got back from the Yamaha boat shop and the counter guy there confirms
what I thought. The Yamaha Fuel Bulb set P/N 6Y1-24306-55 is far better
than anything on the market. For 32 bucks you get 10 foot of line and a
superior pump bulb. or you can buy the hose by the foot for $3.60.
I plan to splice in a bypass loop and install as normal. If anyone knows of
a better source for this hose let me know.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Plane english |
Covering would be more important than anything else.
I think the Rotax and Cuyuna are the same reliability from what I have read here.
I am fixing up a Cuyuna UL II-02 as we speak. I may be test running it this weekend.
I also have a spare Cuyuna 430 with 50 hrs on it.
Cuyuna UL II-02 is 38hp@ and the Rotax 447 is 40 Hp
Parts available for both.
I think the newer covering is the better bet. You can replace the Cuyuna eventually
if you prefer but you should get some good life out of it yet.
I'd pick the newer one hands down.
My 2 cents
Ray
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: 447 fuel line, again |
Try Bing alcohol resistant fuel line from any of the usual suppliers, it's
about $1.20 a foot, or you can get the Tygothane line Lockwood sells for
$.70 a foot.
Rick
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On 8/16/07, N27SB@aol.com <N27SB@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Just the other day I realized that the fuel line pump ball combo on my
> Flats Skiff is the same one that came with it 8 years ago. And that I had
> one hanging on the wall from a prior boat twice that old. Both are still
> soft and pliable and work fine.
>
> The 447 is a different set up than most other engines in that your are
> running mixed fuel through the lines rather than straight gas. If you used
> Auto fuel line the oil tends to breakdown the rubber. The clear UL line is
> only good for about a year.
>
> I just got back from the Yamaha boat shop and the counter guy there
> confirms what I thought. The Yamaha Fuel Bulb set P/N 6Y1-24306-55 is far
> better than anything on the market. For 32 bucks you get 10 foot of line and
> a superior pump bulb. or you can buy the hose by the foot for $3.60.
>
> I plan to splice in a bypass loop and install as normal. If anyone knows
> of a better source for this hose let me know.
>
> Steve
> do not archive
>
>
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"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
> Now youve got me thinking ....I need nose art on my Ultrastar too.
> --------
> Ray
Ray:
"Real Ultrastars" don't have a nose. They have a nose skid, of sorts.
Usually bend and break before one gts much skid out of them.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | TNK Early Bird Roast |
The 3rd annual Custom Air cookout will be Thursday afternoon before the TNK
Homecoming begins. Bryan and I will be hosting the cookout for the guys that
fly or drive in a day early. Sorry but there will be no chicken sausage this
year because I am Kitchenless. I will however be making a big pot of "Travis
Sauce"
Steve and Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: 447 fuel line, again |
Thanks Rick, but both of those look like they need to be replaced in about a
year.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: 447 fuel line, again |
"Better hose", try Mark Smith mark@trikite.com
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: TNK Early Bird Roast |
At 04:26 PM 8/16/2007, you wrote:
>The 3rd annual Custom Air cookout will be Thursday afternoon before
>the TNK Homecoming begins. Bryan and I will be hosting the cookout
>for the guys that fly or drive in a day early. Sorry but there will
>be no chicken sausage this year because I am Kitchenless. I will
>however be making a big pot of "Travis Sauce"
>
>Steve and Bryan
WHAT....about the chicken festival??
That's the only reason I ever came!
Pack up the wife, the kids, fun for the whole family.
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Does anybody out there use Bluemax oil? What ratio?
Rick
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: TNK Early Bird Roast |
Sorry Possum, guess you did not know but the Italian Chicken Sausage I
usually make is unrelated to the Chicken Festival. The Festival should still
be
in full force so feel free to bring all your Kin.
steve
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II to Firefly |
You're right Thom, I don't know you well enough to be pok'in fun at you.My apologies
.I get it all the time from the grandkids,big answers to small questions.I'll
try to resist in the future.
Gary,
No offense taken, though it appears you might have been trying. If you knew me,
I doubt you would have said anything about "condescension" or used the word "humility"
in a sarcastic manner.
All I was doing is sharing some facts, which is part of the charter for this list
and the primary reason I think most of us participate. I have learned so much
from the guys on this list that have shared what they know that I don't or
didn't before their sharing. I figure giving back a little from what I know that
others may not, is the proper thing to do, and plan on continuing to do so
when I think it appropriate.
If you (and others perhaps?) wish to continue thinking that the 503 engine is a
52 HP engine when the factory says otherwise, go right ahead. Doesn't bother
me in the least.
Happy aviating!
do not archive
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Thom in Buffalo
N197BG FS1/447
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"Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
Mine has a nose cone and shortie windshield.
Have to have a place for instruments and nose art ;-)
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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