---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/17/07: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Re: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (possums) 2. 04:25 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (possums) 3. 04:53 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Thom Riddle) 4. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (John Hauck) 5. 05:25 AM - Re: TNK Early Bird Roast (ckirtland1@comcast.net) 6. 05:36 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (N27SB@aol.com) 7. 05:42 AM - Re: TNK Early Bird Roast (N27SB@aol.com) 8. 05:43 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Eugene Zimmerman) 9. 06:09 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Eugene Zimmerman) 10. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Mark III with an HKSMark III with an HKS (robert bean) 11. 06:49 AM - Re: TNK Early Bird Roast (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)) 12. 07:57 AM - Re: training in a Kolb, Houston area (jb92563) 13. 08:35 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (herbgh@juno.com) 14. 08:44 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (herbgh@juno.com) 15. 09:10 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Eugene Zimmerman) 16. 09:27 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (herbgh@juno.com) 17. 09:34 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (jb92563) 18. 09:53 AM - W&B (boyd) 19. 10:02 AM - Re: training in a Kolb, Houston area (lcottrell) 20. 10:08 AM - hks on a mkIII (boyd) 21. 11:22 AM - Re: 447 fuel line, again (N27SB@aol.com) 22. 01:38 PM - Need radio work (Lanny Fetterman) 23. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 24. 02:47 PM - Re: Need radio work (Russ Kinne) 25. 02:48 PM - TNK Early Bird Roast (possums) 26. 03:03 PM - Re: Need radio work (Jim Kmet) 27. 03:07 PM - Re: Need radio work (Mike Welch) 28. 03:19 PM - Re: training in a Kolb, Houston area (planecrazzzy) 29. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Richard Girard) 30. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II to Firefly (possums) 31. 04:46 PM - Re: Need radio work (Richard Girard) 32. 04:57 PM - Re: Need radio work (John Hauck) 33. 05:08 PM - Re: Need radio work (Richard Girard) 34. 05:39 PM - Re: Need radio work (possums) 35. 05:55 PM - Re: Need radio work (Ron) 36. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 37. 09:19 PM - Re: FS 447 Good News / Bad News (huronflyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:24 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 At 12:46 AM 8/17/2007, you wrote: > >Mine has a nose cone and shortie windshield. > >Have to have a place for instruments and nose art ;-) > >-------- >Ray The only "nose art" we got down here. http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/DeadPossum.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:09 AM PST US From: possums Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly At 09:23 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote: >Cage from a Firestar KXP that got trashed from being outside not tied >down during a pop-up afternoon thunderstorm (wings and tail feathers >busted up, cage fine) Same thing here .... crashed in the lake - Firestar KXP but: I rebuilt the cage, rebuilt the wings, bought a new engine, (I really like my new 503 - 732+ hrs) ..got the same nose cone, stick - .....But I figure it's taking up the same space/time continuum So I don't need to buy a "carbon credit". My Great Grandfather left me his hammer (he was a carpenter from Ireland) ....But the "head " was "eioj" Iron and rusted really bad, so I had to replaced it. And the handle was broken..so I had to replace it too.. But...I figure it's taking up the same space and it's an antique - except for the parts. >Build 22' wings (ala Slinghot/Firefly), 7 ribs, bunch of bracing (ala >Slingshot) really stout drag strut.. Me too - except 8 ribs and 26' 9" wings ...tip to tip. bunch of bracing (ala Slingshot) really stout drag strut..like you said. + angle bracing per Hauck. You should change your wing tips?.It would save you about 18 inches. AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION - It will cost you at LOT to go to 22' wings. Work on the tips and add a little wing, it's nice to stall at 30 -mph with VGs. They work, and that's the truth! http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/ >.single lift strut like all the >Kolbs except the Firefly... Me too - the doubles only "slows you down" 8 mph unless you're doing loops - you don't need them. >Add 9" chord ailerons like a Slingshot uses...fab the flaperon mechanism >like the Firefly/SS/Firestar2 and get rid of the original Firestar >aileron mechanism... >Fab a support to mount a 10 Challenger tank >Build a set of tail feathers but cut the boom tube down to Slingshot >length. >Rig it with the lower angle of attack (and decalage of course) of the >Slingshot and add Slingshot-like gear legs to get the deck angle right >to get a 3 point landing out of it with the lower wing AOA. > >Weld up a flip-over canopy frame (ala Slingshot). > >Mount the 503 sitting under the workbench... > >You basically have a single seat Slingshot. It will only have 52HP but >also should be about 100 pounds lighter than a 582 Slingshot. > >Will have same wing area, flaperons, and tail dimensions and tail >rigging of a Slingshot (just little lower wing loading from being >lighter). With the lighter weight and the 52 HP of the 503 it will >actually have a better power/weight ratio than a 582 Slingshot...that >combined with the lower wing loading should mean better takeoff and >climb than a 582 Slingshot (which is awesome...) > >Sound fun? ;-) > >Jeremy Casey ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II to Firefly From: "Thom Riddle" Possums, I like the Horner style wing tips! I had that STC mod on the Piper Cherokee I had several years ago and it made a big improvement over the standard Hershey Bar wing tips. Since I've got to fix one wing tip on the FS 1 anyway, I just might do both of them this way. Thanks for the TIP. (pun intended) -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129561#129561 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:31 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 > The only "nose art" we got down here. > > http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/DeadPossum.jpg Flying to low again. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:53 AM PST US From: ckirtland1@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Early Bird Roast Steve, I sure hope you know what you're allowing when you tell Stan to "feel free to bing all your Kin". You know that Stan is from the South and noticed Stan said he'd "pack" them. How do you think you'd be after "packing"? :-) Sorry Stan. Charlie -------------- Original message -------------- From: N27SB@aol.com Sorry Possum, guess you did not know but the Italian Chicken Sausage I usually make is unrelated to the Chicken Festival. The Festival should still be in full force so feel free to bring all your Kin. steve
Steve,
 
I sure hope you know what you're allowing when you tell Stan to "feel free to bing all your Kin". You know that Stan is from the South and noticed Stan said he'd "pack" them. How do you think you'd be after "packing"?     :-)
 
Sorry Stan.
 
Charlie
 
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From: N27SB@aol.com
Sorry Possum, guess you did not know but the Italian Chicken Sausage I usually make is unrelated to the Chicken Festival.   The Festival should still be in full force so feel free to bring all your Kin.
 
steve
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:21 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Hey Possum, I like the wingtip, do you think it is effective? Steve http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:09 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Early Bird Roast No problem, dogs and burgers are cheap and if we run out we'll just send Helen out on a highway run between Kolb and London. Plenty vittles to be found there. steve do not archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:11 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/etzim62@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/ P2100044.jpg http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/etzim62@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/ P2100045.jpg On Aug 17, 2007, at 7:22 AM, possums wrote: > At 09:23 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote: >> Cage from a Firestar KXP that got trashed from being outside not tied >> down during a pop-up afternoon thunderstorm (wings and tail feathers >> busted up, cage fine) > > Same thing here .... crashed in the lake - Firestar KXP but: I > rebuilt the cage, > rebuilt the wings, bought a new engine, (I really like my new 503 - > 732+ hrs) ..got the > same nose cone, stick - .....But I figure it's taking up the same > space/time continuum > So I don't need to buy a "carbon credit". > My Great Grandfather left me his hammer (he was a carpenter from > Ireland) ....But the "head " was > "eioj" Iron and rusted really bad, so I had to replaced it. And the > handle was broken..so I had to replace it too.. > But...I figure it's taking up the same space and it's an antique - > except for the parts. > >> Build 22' wings (ala Slinghot/Firefly), 7 ribs, bunch of bracing (ala >> Slingshot) really stout drag strut.. > > Me too - except 8 ribs and 26' 9" wings ...tip to tip. bunch of > bracing (ala > Slingshot) really stout drag strut..like you said. + angle bracing > per Hauck. > You should change your wing tips?.It would save you about 18 inches. > AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION - It will cost you at LOT to go to 22' > wings. > Work on the tips and add a little wing, it's nice to stall at 30 - > mph with VGs. > They work, and that's the truth! > > http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/ > > >> .single lift strut like all the >> Kolbs except the Firefly... > > Me too - the doubles only "slows you down" 8 mph > unless you're doing loops - you don't need them. > > >> Add 9" chord ailerons like a Slingshot uses...fab the flaperon >> mechanism >> like the Firefly/SS/Firestar2 and get rid of the original Firestar >> aileron mechanism... >> Fab a support to mount a 10 Challenger tank >> Build a set of tail feathers but cut the boom tube down to Slingshot >> length. >> Rig it with the lower angle of attack (and decalage of course) of the >> Slingshot and add Slingshot-like gear legs to get the deck angle >> right >> to get a 3 point landing out of it with the lower wing AOA. >> >> Weld up a flip-over canopy frame (ala Slingshot). >> >> Mount the 503 sitting under the workbench... >> >> You basically have a single seat Slingshot. It will only have >> 52HP but >> also should be about 100 pounds lighter than a 582 Slingshot. >> >> Will have same wing area, flaperons, and tail dimensions and tail >> rigging of a Slingshot (just little lower wing loading from being >> lighter). With the lighter weight and the 52 HP of the 503 it will >> actually have a better power/weight ratio than a 582 Slingshot...that >> combined with the lower wing loading should mean better takeoff and >> climb than a 582 Slingshot (which is awesome...) >> >> Sound fun? ;-) >> >> Jeremy Casey > <1 Wing tip.jpg> > <3 Drawing 2.jpg> > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:17 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly A few more perspectives showing my modified wing planform. http://picasaweb.google.com/imhisson2/NewAlbum42707610PM Gene On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/etzim62@earthlink.net. > 02.11.2006/P2100044.jpg > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/etzim62@earthlink.net. > 02.11.2006/P2100045.jpg > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:19 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III with an HKSMark III with an HKS As one who has some experience in a low powered/heavy MkIII, last time I weighed it, about 600 lbs empty. According to the hp/ torque graph I have for the 3 cylinder Suzuki, it will make 60 hp at 5500 rpm. Unfortunately mine has never seen more than about 5200. Maybe in a dive. The way I'm propped now I get about 4800 in a normal climb, 5000 in a shallow climb. 4800 equates to about 57 hp. In addition I have a foot chopped off each wingtip. On the plus side, it is a joy to fly, well-balanced, light on the controls, except perhaps when trying to compensate for a strong one wing thermal. And the engine, tho puny, requires little gas, no decarboning, no guts inspections, no oil mix and is famously robust. Maybe someday I'll go for more HP so I can carry something larger than an obese chipmunk as a passenger. But for now I'm happy with it. BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:49 AM PST US From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Early Bird Roast Many thanks to Steve and Brian for the great meal and great times before our Homecoming. Kolb Flyers and builders are # 1 Travis @ Kolb ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Early Bird Roast No problem, dogs and burgers are cheap and if we run out we'll just send Helen out on a highway run between Kolb and London. Plenty vittles to be found there. steve do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: training in a Kolb, Houston area From: "jb92563" Thats the smart way to get trained. What model Kolb are you thinking of getting? Maybe the others can chime in and let you know what OTHER plane flies similar to a Kolb so that if you cant find a Kolb instructor perhaps something close would be the next best thing. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129593#129593 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly From: herbgh@juno.com Eugene Wouldn't you know it...lawn boy lawn mower...:-) Herb do not archive On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:42:58 -0400 Eugene Zimmerman writes: > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/etzim62@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/ > > P2100044.jpg > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/etzim62@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/ > > P2100045.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly From: herbgh@juno.com Thinking about wing tips.. I read that the whittman tip was low drag? Similar to the current Kolb design.. Herb do not archive. On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:42:58 -0400 Eugene Zimmerman writes: > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/etzim62@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/ > > P2100044.jpg > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/etzim62@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/ > > P2100045.jpg > > > > On Aug 17, 2007, at 7:22 AM, possums wrote: > > > At 09:23 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote: > >> Cage from a Firestar KXP that got trashed from being outside not > tied > >> down during a pop-up afternoon thunderstorm (wings and tail > feathers > >> busted up, cage fine) > > > > Same thing here .... crashed in the lake - Firestar KXP but: I > > rebuilt the cage, > > rebuilt the wings, bought a new engine, (I really like my new 503 > - > > 732+ hrs) ..got the > > same nose cone, stick - .....But I figure it's taking up the same > > > space/time continuum > > So I don't need to buy a "carbon credit". > > My Great Grandfather left me his hammer (he was a carpenter from > > > Ireland) ....But the "head " was > > "eioj" Iron and rusted really bad, so I had to replaced it. And > the > > handle was broken..so I had to replace it too.. > > But...I figure it's taking up the same space and it's an antique - > > > except for the parts. > > > >> Build 22' wings (ala Slinghot/Firefly), 7 ribs, bunch of bracing > (ala > >> Slingshot) really stout drag strut.. > > > > Me too - except 8 ribs and 26' 9" wings ...tip to tip. bunch of > > bracing (ala > > Slingshot) really stout drag strut..like you said. + angle bracing > > > per Hauck. > > You should change your wing tips?.It would save you about 18 > inches. > > AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION - It will cost you at LOT to go to > 22' > > wings. > > Work on the tips and add a little wing, it's nice to stall at 30 - > > > mph with VGs. > > They work, and that's the truth! > > > > http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/ > > > > > > > > > > > >> .single lift strut like all the > >> Kolbs except the Firefly... > > > > Me too - the doubles only "slows you down" 8 mph > > unless you're doing loops - you don't need them. > > > > > >> Add 9" chord ailerons like a Slingshot uses...fab the flaperon > >> mechanism > >> like the Firefly/SS/Firestar2 and get rid of the original > Firestar > >> aileron mechanism... > >> Fab a support to mount a 10 Challenger tank > >> Build a set of tail feathers but cut the boom tube down to > Slingshot > >> length. > >> Rig it with the lower angle of attack (and decalage of course) of > the > >> Slingshot and add Slingshot-like gear legs to get the deck angle > > >> right > >> to get a 3 point landing out of it with the lower wing AOA. > >> > >> Weld up a flip-over canopy frame (ala Slingshot). > >> > >> Mount the 503 sitting under the workbench... > >> > >> You basically have a single seat Slingshot. It will only have > >> 52HP but > >> also should be about 100 pounds lighter than a 582 Slingshot. > >> > >> Will have same wing area, flaperons, and tail dimensions and > tail > >> rigging of a Slingshot (just little lower wing loading from > being > >> lighter). With the lighter weight and the 52 HP of the 503 it > will > >> actually have a better power/weight ratio than a 582 > Slingshot...that > >> combined with the lower wing loading should mean better takeoff > and > >> climb than a 582 Slingshot (which is awesome...) > >> > >> Sound fun? ;-) > >> > >> Jeremy Casey > > <1 Wing tip.jpg> > > <3 Drawing 2.jpg> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:42 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly 30 years and still tickn. Who says 2-strokes are not reliable? On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:32 AM, herbgh@juno.com wrote: > > Eugene > > Wouldn't you know it...lawn boy lawn mower...:-) Herb > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly From: herbgh@juno.com Eugene no doubt you have egt and cht and tach strapped to the handle somewhere?? :-) Herb do not archive On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:07:31 -0400 Eugene Zimmerman writes: > > > 30 years and still tickn. > Who says 2-strokes are not reliable? > > On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:32 AM, herbgh@juno.com wrote: > > > > > Eugene > > > > Wouldn't you know it...lawn boy lawn mower...:-) Herb > > > > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II to Firefly From: "jb92563" I like your wing tip counter weights. You should put fins on them and paint them up like AIM-9's -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129610#129610 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:06 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: W&B For anyone that is interested.... I have redone my W&B spreadsheet in word perfect 8 ,,, note that the spreadsheet will not calculate.... it is only useful to show you what entries to put in the cells of your spreadsheet program.... Also converted it to asci text,,, I did not line up the columns as well as I should have but it will let you know what to put into the cells of your spreadsheet program.... for ease of meaning I put the additions in long hand instead of using an @sum function... If you would like I could forward the spread sheet in quarto pro excel dbase 123 Paradox I don't know how they will convert in other than the quarto pro and excel programs. Dbase 123 and paradox,,,,, you will be on your own. Also if you have special requirements,,,, I can output in different versions of the listed software. Do not archive. Boyd ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: training in a Kolb, Houston area From: "lcottrell" I went up for the first time in mid July with an instructor who owns a Challenger II and had a great experience. I may go through the full training process with him. However, I plan to eventually own and fly a Kolb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I took my Sport Pilots license in a Challenger. With the exception of landing, ( the Challenger will float seemingly forever, unlike a Kolb) if you can fly a Challenger a Kolb should be so much nicer, and easier to fly. I personally think a Challenger would be a good trainer for the transition. I did find the Challenger very dificult to keep in coordinated flight. It seemed to me that the tail was always wanting to be in front. As I say the Challenger will float for a long time, but the training actually allowed me to improve my landing a lot. The reaction of the two will be different, The Challenger has a much cleaner (seemed to me) airframe that will hold its inertia much longer. I however would not even consider trading my Firestar for a Challenger though. Larry C -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129616#129616 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:11 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: hks on a mkIII I think at sealevel the mkIII would be ok with the HKS... but at altitude.... the 912 was my minimum. Boyd Brigham city ut... 4226 ft msl da over 6000 most of the summer. Do not archive. >>>>>>>>> Nope, not the right answer. Kolb marketed the MKIII with the 503 for several years, and I flew one built to minimum weight with a dual carb 503 on it. With two people, it was slow climbing, but better than a Cessna 152. An HKS makes more power than a 503, so you would get performance about mid way between what you get with a 503 and a 582. Obviously it would be much less fun than with 65, 80, or 100 HP, but it would certainly be airworthy. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:32 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 fuel line, again After some research on the internet it looks like the tubing I am using is probably VITON. No wonder it cost so much. It is a good choice for the application because of its high resistance to UV and practically all solvents and fuels. But it's a bit pricey at around $5/ft from McMaster-Carr. On the other hand you may not ever have to replace it. steve do not archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:32 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Need radio work Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much. I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I announce where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of like yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew with my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned that I have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my biennial flight review next year. Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything that I can use to learn radio skills. Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:44 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V Rick I'm just curious how you figure that a VW is 60 Lbs. heaver than a 912? My VW with is maybe 10lbs more. Now I took steps to save weight any where I could but I didn't cut 50 lbs off. If your figuring the stock generator and fan into this weight maybe. Also I had my share of engine problems in my old beetle and bus but never had a valve brakeage problem. They are a bit sensitive to valve adjustments and I just don't like adjusting them so I installed hydraulic lifters in my engine. Also there isn't much stock VW about the engines they build today. You do have to use a bit of common sense about sitting on the ground with the engine running and no cooling air flowing over the engine. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V Ron, Where the 912 has an advantage over the VW is weight, about 60 lb. worth. Those Austrian engineers went to great lengths to keep the engine as light as possible. And if your talking about the 912S your giving up 20 HP, too. I like VW's a lot and as a child of the 60's I've owned my share. I even owned a "Thing", and the Vanagon is on my favorite vehicle list since my son looped one on Hwy 80 with me sleeping in the back, but I've walked into VW parts depts carrying the latest broken bit and singing the "Volkswagen, does it again" commercial jingle too many times. Maybe all the development work has solved some of the problems, but I've lost the #3 exhaust valve head on type 1, type 3, and type 4 engines and they don't run worth a darn on three cylinders. Rick ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:30 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need radio work La--y my co-fuser will -ot prit " - " 's - the letter after "M". Sorry. Bloody aggravati-g! I suggest you take a ha-dheld to a-y tower-co-trolled airport a-d simply liste- for as lo-g as you c a-. You'll hear both sides, a-d a lot of differe-t stuff. Could eve- tape it & liste- to it a few times later. Are-'t you the sled driver? Good luck do -ot archive On Aug 17, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote: > > Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio > very much. I announce when I am about to enter the active runway > for take off, and I announce where I am in the landing pattern. > ( I`m usually alone at the airport and no one is listening to me , > but I announce anyway, kind of like yelling clear prop when no one > is within a country mile of me.) I flew with my instructor today > from an airport with a control tower and learned that I have very > poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my biennial > flight review next year. > Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no > one to talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or > DVD or anything that I can use to learn radio skills. > Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:57 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: TNK Early Bird Roast At 08:25 AM 8/17/2007, you wrote: >Steve, > >I sure hope you know what you're allowing when you tell Stan to >"feel free to bing all your Kin". You know that Stan is from the >South and noticed Stan said he'd "pack" them. How do you think you'd >be after "packing"? :-) > >Sorry Stan. > >Charlie Sorry Charlie - I been to the "county fair" in Euharlee ---- up your way. Fun ... but the guys told me to forget about the 16 year olds, they was already divorced and had two kids, at least the purty ones. How do you think you'd be after "packing" - packin what?? BTW I have flown to your strip in Shannon 8 times now, morning, noon and night the night thing was "on accident" as they say up north. Ain't nobody there - you guys quit fling or what? do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:55 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need radio work Lanny, the FAR-Aim has a section in the AIM section on "Correct Phraseology", when using the radio both when talking to ATC & the Unicom.Also, a product called Comm 1 communications is available, but it will cost you about $100. bucks. The FAR-AIM is cheaper, but Comm1 lets you interact with your computer & I have seen them On E-Bay. Further, your Flight reveiw, (According to the FAR`S) is supposed to include "One Hour of flight Instruction, & one hour of ground instruction" & the Manuvers & topics are up to the instructor. You already know, you can`t "Fail a flight review", but its up to the instructor to sign you of for the successful completion of the flight review. Why not let the instructor earn his money during the ground portion & help you with communication? You`re going to pay him/her anyway. Jim Kmet MK-3C, CFII ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny Fetterman" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Need radio work > > Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much. > I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I > announce where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the > airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of > like yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I > flew with my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and > learned that I have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them > before my biennial flight review next year. > Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to > talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything > that I can use to learn radio skills. > Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:10 PM PST US From: "Mike Welch" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Need radio work Lanny, I know it runs a few bucks, but I would imagine what you need is in this CD offered by KING SCHOOLS. I am sure it has quite a few important additional pointers about airport ettiqette, charts, and a few other tidbits. http://www.kingschools.com/ProductDetail.asp?itemNo=GOS%20CO25 Funny story. Back when I was taking flight training, I landed at Sacramento Executive Airport, with my instructor. This was very early in my training, so my radio skills were, let's say "primitive." Anyway, after we(I) pulled off the active runway I came to a stop, while my instructor showed me where to turn the radio to. This, of course, takes almost a minute, so the airport "ground control" guy, not used to such amateur behavior, says to me, "Executive Ground, 52Alpha, are you planning on visiting with us today, or are you just planning on parking next to the runway?" Having a very good sense of humor, I replied we wanted to go to the terminal. He said, "ok, you do that" I think it was just plain funny, at least it was at the time. Mike in SW Utah >From: Lanny Fetterman >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Need radio work >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:37:51 -0400 > > > Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much. >I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I >announce where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the >airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of like >yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew with >my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned that I >have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my >biennial flight review next year. > Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to >talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything >that I can use to learn radio skills. > Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF > >Do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: training in a Kolb, Houston area From: "planecrazzzy" I had to have 5 hrs training in a "LIKE" aircraft for insurance purposes.... Did'em in a T-Bird.... Basicly flying anything that "light" will be a good transition.... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129649#129649 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00327_956.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00328_165.jpg ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:15 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V Rick, I can't find the list of engine weights I have in some remote subdirectory, so I used this list from Great Plains Aircraft. I also checked what the AeroVee folks claim. http://www.greatplainsas.com/specsfd.html http://www.sonexaircraft.com/eshop/cart.php?target=product&product_id=16424&category_id=268 Start with the best weight at 160lb. then add a redrive, and you're at 180 to 190 installed. Compare this to the 128 to 134lb. (Rotax Installation Manual page 7-2) for a 912 and even if you get real generous on the weight of the sump tank and lines you're still at a least difference of 40lb. and a max of 60. Rick On 8/17/07, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > > Rick > > I'm just curious how you figure that a VW is 60 Lbs. heaver than a 912? My > VW with is maybe 10lbs more. Now I took steps to save weight any where I > could but I didn't cut 50 lbs off. If your figuring the stock generator and > fan into this weight maybe. > > Also I had my share of engine problems in my old beetle and bus but never > had a valve brakeage problem. They are a bit sensitive to valve adjustments > and I just don't like adjusting them so I installed hydraulic lifters in my > engine. Also there isn't much stock VW about the engines they build today. > You do have to use a bit of common sense about sitting on the ground with > the engine running and no cooling air flowing over the engine. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIC > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2007 4:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V > > Ron, Where the 912 has an advantage over the VW is weight, about 60 lb. > worth. Those Austrian engineers went to great lengths to keep the engine as > light as possible. And if your talking about the 912S your giving up 20 HP, > too. > I like VW's a lot and as a child of the 60's I've owned my share. I even > owned a "Thing", and the Vanagon is on my favorite vehicle list since my son > looped one on Hwy 80 with me sleeping in the back, but I've walked into VW > parts depts carrying the latest broken bit and singing the "Volkswagen, does > it again" commercial jingle too many times. Maybe all the development work > has solved some of the problems, but I've lost the #3 exhaust valve head on > type 1, type 3, and type 4 engines and they don't run worth a darn on three > cylinders. > > Rick > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:43 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II to Firefly At 12:31 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote: > >I like your wing tip counter weights. > >You should put fins on them and paint them up like AIM-9's YES - I did that "at first", but they broke off and you have to buy the whole rocket - just to get the fins $20 and I superglued them on last time and they still broke off after 50 hrs. But the little counter weights have lead in the ends. So even tho they look like rockets they are still counter weights. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:10 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need radio work Lanny, I learned to fly GA in the Seattle area where a lot of the small strips used the same CTAF (common traffic advisory frequency) and on any given day there was a lot of traffic within radio range. Here's a sample of what I was taught as the proper way to communicate my intentions. "Harvey traffic, Cessna 54088, 5 miles SW landing 16, full stop, Harvey." "Harvey traffic, Cessna 088, downwind, right traffic 16, Harvey." "Harvey traffic, Cessna 088 has cleared the active, Harvey". The idea is to get your intentions out as fast as possible to avoid tying u p the radio frequency. By repeating the airport at the beginning and end of the transmission, you keep some poor pilot 40 miles away from wrenching his neck trying to find the plane that isn't there. Hope this helps. Rick On 8/17/07, Mike Welch wrote: > > > > Lanny, > > I know it runs a few bucks, but I would imagine what you need is in thi s > CD offered by KING SCHOOLS. I am sure it has quite a few important > additional pointers about airport ettiqette, charts, and a few other > tidbits. > > http://www.kingschools.com/ProductDetail.asp?itemNo=GOS%20CO25 > > Funny story. Back when I was taking flight training, I landed at > Sacramento Executive Airport, with my instructor. This was very early i n > my training, so my radio skills were, let's say "primitive." > Anyway, after we(I) pulled off the active runway I came to a stop, while > my > instructor showed me where to turn the radio to. This, of course, takes > almost a minute, so the airport "ground control" guy, not used to such > amateur behavior, says to me, "Executive Ground, 52Alpha, are you plannin g > on visiting with us today, or are you just planning on parking next to th e > runway?" Having a very good sense of humor, I replied we wanted to go t o > the terminal. He said, "ok, you do that" I think it was just plain > funny, > at least it was at the time. > > Mike in SW Utah > > > >From: Lanny Fetterman > >To: kolb-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Kolb-List: Need radio work > >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:37:51 -0400 > > > > > > Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio > very much. > >I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I > >announce where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the > >airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of > like > >yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew > with > >my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned tha t > I > >have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my > >biennial flight review next year. > > Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have n o > one to > >talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or > anything > >that I can use to learn radio skills. > > Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF > > > >Do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Now you can see trouble=85before he arrives > > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection _0507 > > =========== =========== =========== > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:55 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need radio work Rick G: I think the idea is to be brief and expedite, but not so fast us senior citizens can not understand what you are saying. john h mkIII The idea is to get your intentions out as fast as possible to avoid tying up the radio frequency. Rick ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:20 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need radio work John, Who are you calling a senior citizen? I resemble that remark. Rick do not archive On 8/17/07, John Hauck wrote: > > Rick G: > > I think the idea is to be brief and expedite, but not so fast us senior > citizens can not understand what you are saying. > > john h > mkIII > > > The idea is to get your intentions out as fast as possible to avoid tying > up the radio frequency. > Rick > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:45 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need radio work At 06:02 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote: > >Lanny, the FAR-Aim has a section in the AIM section on "Correct >PhraseologyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com >Steve, > >I sure hope you know what you're allowing when you tell Stan to >"feel free to bing all your Kin".\ >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >From: possums >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need radio work > >At 06:02 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote: >> >>Lanny, the FAR-Aim has a section in the AIM section on "Correct >>Phraseology", when using the radio both when talking to ATC & the >>Unicom.Also, a product called Comm 1 communications is available, >>but it will cost you about $100. bucks. The FAR-AIM is cheaper, but >>Comm1 lets you interact with your computer & I have seen them On E-Bay. >>Further, your Flight reveiw, (According to the FAR`S) is supposed >>to include "One Hour of flight Instruction, & one hour of >>ground instruction" & the Manuvers & topics are up to the >>instructor. You already know, you can`t "Fail a flight review", but >>its up to the instructor to sign you of for the >>successful completion of the flight review. Why not let the >>instructor earn his money during the ground portion & help you with >>communication? You`re going to pay him/her anyway. >> >>Jim Kmet >>MK-3C, CFII >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny Fetterman" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:37 PM >>Subject: Kolb-List: Need radio work >> Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much. I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I announce where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of like yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew with my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned that I have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my biennial flight review next year. Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything that I can use to learn radio skills. Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF Don't try harder - just talk. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:54 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need radio work I solved my talking problems as a student by using the old Army of who where what. Who = Kolb 123 student pilot, where= 6 miles south east of Hardlanding airport what = inbound for landing Kinda placed me where I knew what to say and when. Ron ============ ---- Lanny Fetterman wrote: ============ Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much. I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I announce where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of like yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew with my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned that I have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my biennial flight review next year. Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything that I can use to learn radio skills. Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF Do not archive -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:32 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V That's interesting. You do have to be careful how you build a VW engine too keep it light. You also have to be careful what weights you pick for comparison. I see you figured 20-30 lbs for the redrive when my redrive is 9 lbs and all the listed engines have a slick magneto (under powered, expensive and heavy) mine doesn't. I have seen a number of weights listed for the 912 Rotax and most realistic weights are a bit higher than you indicate. Bottom line my MKIIIC with a full silver coat paint, fully enclosed, all instruments, luggage trays, a bunch of patches and radios weighed 598lbs empty weight wet (oil & unusable fuel) when I redid the motor mount a few years ago. Seems like I even forgot to remove my survival kit. This isn't light for a MKIIIC but there aren't too many 912 powered planes that are 60 lbs. lighter. In fact it seems like most are about the same weight. I don't know how Rotax figures their weights and the weight you came up with. Maybe they use some fairy dust on their scales. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V Rick, I can't find the list of engine weights I have in some remote subdirectory, so I used this list from Great Plains Aircraft. I also checked what the AeroVee folks claim. http://www.greatplainsas.com/specsfd.html http://www.sonexaircraft.com/eshop/cart.php?target=product&product_id= 16424&category_id=268 Start with the best weight at 160lb. then add a redrive, and you're at 180 to 190 installed. Compare this to the 128 to 134lb. (Rotax Installation Manual page 7-2) for a 912 and even if you get real generous on the weight of the sump tank and lines you're still at a least difference of 40lb. and a max of 60. Rick On 8/17/07, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: Rick I'm just curious how you figure that a VW is 60 Lbs. heaver than a 912? My VW with is maybe 10lbs more. Now I took steps to save weight any where I could but I didn't cut 50 lbs off. If your figuring the stock generator and fan into this weight maybe. Also I had my share of engine problems in my old beetle and bus but never had a valve brakeage problem. They are a bit sensitive to valve adjustments and I just don't like adjusting them so I installed hydraulic lifters in my engine. Also there isn't much stock VW about the engines they build today. You do have to use a bit of common sense about sitting on the ground with the engine running and no cooling air flowing over the engine. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V Ron, Where the 912 has an advantage over the VW is weight, about 60 lb. worth. Those Austrian engineers went to great lengths to keep the engine as light as possible. And if your talking about the 912S your giving up 20 HP, too. I like VW's a lot and as a child of the 60's I've owned my share. I even owned a "Thing", and the Vanagon is on my favorite vehicle list since my son looped one on Hwy 80 with me sleeping in the back, but I've walked into VW parts depts carrying the latest broken bit and singing the "Volkswagen, does it again" commercial jingle too many times. Maybe all the development work has solved some of the problems, but I've lost the #3 exhaust valve head on type 1, type 3, and type 4 engines and they don't run worth a darn on three cylinders. Rick http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FS 447 Good News / Bad News From: "huronflyer" Nice info Ray. Like going back to ground school. I need all the refreshment I can get... too much seat of the pants lately, of course mine wants to float a bit [Wink] This Kolb idea is getting addictive. 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