---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/18/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:19 AM - Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Thom Riddle) 2. 04:31 AM - Re: Need radio work (Thom Riddle) 3. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: Mark III with an HKS (Tony Oldman) 4. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Need radio work (Richard Girard) 5. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V (Jeremy Casey) 6. 09:16 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Jeremy Casey) 7. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Need radio work (Bob Noyer) 8. 01:25 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (John Hauck) 9. 01:55 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Richard Pike) 10. 02:02 PM - Things to see from a Kolb in the air (Eugene Zimmerman) 11. 02:17 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Eugene Zimmerman) 12. 02:54 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Richard Pike) 13. 03:50 PM - P-51 crashes into P-51 ( Pictures ) (planecrazzzy) 14. 05:07 PM - Re: P-51 crashes into P-51 ( Pictures ) kobe (Southern Reflections) 15. 06:51 PM - Re: P-51 crashes into P-51 ( Pictures ) kobe (planecrazzzy) 16. 07:56 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Eugene Zimmerman) 17. 08:16 PM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:24 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V From: "Thom Riddle" Rick, I have no idea what the installed weight of our 912UL is but our Allegro 2000 is about 50 lb. heavier than your MkIIIC w/ VW. Our Allegro is a very light S-LSA compared to most w/ 912ULS engines at about 750 lb. empty. Most of that extra weight is heavier airframe components. Bottom line is your 598 lb empty weight is a good weight with plenty of power from a reliable engine that is cheap to maintain. Hard to beat. -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129693#129693 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need radio work From: "Thom Riddle" Lanny, Another way to get used to the radio, at least the listening and understanding part, is to go to www.liveatc.net and listen to the ATC at several airports. These are live broadcasts of actual aircraft/atc conversations. I'd try the smaller airports so you won't be overwhelmed. It also helps to pick one in your part of the country so the language is one you are accustomed to hearing. It is free and really helps you get used to the rhythm, order and cadence. I agree with John H., as we age our ability to understand rapid fire speech diminishes and there is nothing gained by being fast if you are not understood. Most of us fly from airports that are not all that busy anyway, so the need for speed is just not there. Be relaxed and speak in a normal conversational tone but leave out all the unnecessary words. As Sergeant Friday on Dragnet used to say, "Just the facts, M'am." -------- Thom in Buffalo N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129695#129695 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:55 AM PST US From: "Tony Oldman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III with an HKS I fly a MK111 with a 503 and have done so for 300hrs . It gives a cruise of about 70 mph at amsl .Climbs about 700 ft pmt with two up . its a very nice machine to handle that performs very well . The only failing that I have had is that in very high winds the ruder control is marginal. That is in a wind speed of 30 + mph and turning into wind on short finals you need to push the nose down and give it plenty of power to line up with the runway Very safe very easy and know surprises . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III with an HKS > > Nope, not the right answer. > Kolb marketed the MKIII with the 503 for several years, and I flew one > built to minimum weight with a dual carb 503 on it. With two people, it > was slow climbing, but better than a Cessna 152. An HKS makes more power > than a 503, so you would get performance about mid way between what you > get with a 503 and a 582. > > Obviously it would be much less fun than with 65, 80, or 100 HP, but it > would certainly be airworthy. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JetPilot" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:24 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III with an HKS > > > > I think the HKS would be horrible on a MK III or maybe not even fly at > all. >> >> Mike >> >> -------- >> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you >> could have !!! >> >> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129473#129473 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 16/08/2007 1:46 p.m. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:33 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need radio work Lanny et al, By fast I meant brief and succinct. You don't have to speak like a high school debater on a meth amphetamine buzz, just clear about your intentions. I don't need to tell ground control anything more than where I am and where I want to go. I.E. "Renton ground, Cessna 54088 at BEFA with Zulu, taxi takeoff." What the ground controller now knows about Cessna 54088 is that it's at the Boeing Employees Flying Assn., The pilot has the latest ATIS information ( Zulu ), and he wants to taxi to the active runway to takeoff. It doesn't happen often, but I've heard controllers chew a pilot out in a not too pleasant manner after a rambling transmission. In one memorable case, the controller told the pilot to hold position until he had the ATIS info and knew what he wanted to do. He was still being held when I had finished a mile long taxi, done my runup, changed to tower frequency and done my first touch and go. Just remember that radio communications are simplex, that is, they aren't like a telephone where you can just talk over someone else. While you have the key open no one else can communicate on that frequency, even the pilot calling in with a life threatening emergency cannot get through if you're yakking it up. Rick On 8/18/07, Thom Riddle wrote: > > > Lanny, > > Another way to get used to the radio, at least the listening and > understanding part, is to go to > > www.liveatc.net > > and listen to the ATC at several airports. These are live broadcasts of > actual aircraft/atc conversations. I'd try the smaller airports so you won't > be overwhelmed. It also helps to pick one in your part of the country so the > language is one you are accustomed to hearing. It is free and really helps > you get used to the rhythm, order and cadence. > > I agree with John H., as we age our ability to understand rapid fire > speech diminishes and there is nothing gained by being fast if you are not > understood. Most of us fly from airports that are not all that busy anyway, > so the need for speed is just not there. Be relaxed and speak in a normal > conversational tone but leave out all the unnecessary words. As Sergeant > Friday on Dragnet used to say, "Just the facts, M'am." > > -------- > Thom in Buffalo > N197BG FS1/447 > > -------------------- > "Blind respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." > Albert Einstein > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129695#129695 > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:01 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V I seem to remember Dennis Souder pulled a 912 install off the factory Slingshot and weighed it ready to run minus prop and it was something like 165? (Shooting from memory here but I bet it's in the archives.) Jeremy Casey -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V Rick, I can't find the list of engine weights I have in some remote subdirectory, so I used this list from Great Plains Aircraft. I also checked what the AeroVee folks claim. http://www.greatplainsas.com/specsfd.html http://www.sonexaircraft.com/eshop/cart.php?target=product &product_id=16424&category_id=268 Start with the best weight at 160lb. then add a redrive, and you're at 180 to 190 installed. Compare this to the 128 to 134lb. (Rotax Installation Manual page 7-2) for a 912 and even if you get real generous on the weight of the sump tank and lines you're still at a least difference of 40lb. and a max of 60. Rick On 8/17/07, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: Rick I'm just curious how you figure that a VW is 60 Lbs. heaver than a 912? My VW with is maybe 10lbs more. Now I took steps to save weight any where I could but I didn't cut 50 lbs off. If your figuring the stock generator and fan into this weight maybe. Also I had my share of engine problems in my old beetle and bus but never had a valve brakeage problem. They are a bit sensitive to valve adjustments and I just don't like adjusting them so I installed hydraulic lifters in my engine. Also there isn't much stock VW about the engines they build today. You do have to use a bit of common sense about sitting on the ground with the engine running and no cooling air flowing over the engine. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Suzuki 1.3 DOC 16V Ron, Where the 912 has an advantage over the VW is weight, about 60 lb. worth. Those Austrian engineers went to great lengths to keep the engine as light as possible. And if your talking about the 912S your giving up 20 HP, too. I like VW's a lot and as a child of the 60's I've owned my share. I even owned a "Thing", and the Vanagon is on my favorite vehicle list since my son looped one on Hwy 80 with me sleeping in the back, but I've walked into VW parts depts carrying the latest broken bit and singing the "Volkswagen, does it again" commercial jingle too many times. Maybe all the development work has solved some of the problems, but I've lost the #3 exhaust valve head on type 1, type 3, and type 4 engines and they don't run worth a darn on three cylinders. Rick http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com when you live at the airport. __________ NOD32 2469 (20070818) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:50 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Build 22' wings (ala Slinghot/Firefly), 7 ribs, bunch of bracing (ala Slingshot) really stout drag strut.. Me too - except 8 ribs and 26' 9" wings ...tip to tip. bunch of bracing (ala Slingshot) really stout drag strut..like you said. + angle bracing per Hauck. You should change your wing tips?.It would save you about 18 inches. AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION - It will cost you at LOT to go to 22' wings. Work on the tips and add a little wing, it's nice to stall at 30 -mph with VGs. They work, and that's the truth! Have flown my share of big wing homebuilts.wanted a "toy" that would handle as such.yea stall will go up but the beating from thermals will go down thanks to the higher wing loading too.everything is a tradeoff. Flew a clip-wing Challenger single place and compared to the 2 place long wing I flew at the time the clip-wing single was a hoot to fly and the 2 place long wing was a pig. When I run across this cage the first thing through my head was mini-Slingshot . Also the wings were toast already so I was starting from scratch anyway. Jeremy P.S. I posted a lengthy explanation of some VG experience the other day.fully understand the benefits of VG's and the "Superfly" will have them too.;-) P.P.S. The RANS S7 with VG's indicated 26 at "stall" solo.but AS indicators are pretty inaccurate that slow.although the GPS says it's real close.then again just a puff of wind at those low numbers will affect the GPS too.. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:27 AM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need radio work This is from Flying Tales of The Grey Baron: Sayah Yo Reequest The following interchange was overheard between Washington National Approach and a Southern Belle (the tail number has been changed to protect the innocent), and with apologies for attempting to reproduce her accent. The time is about 4PM on a weekday; a year before the strike. Approach is very busy with airline traffic. Marginal VFR. Turn off your squelch and listen: Washington Nashnul A-proach, this is Novembuh Oh-oh-oh Cholly Ho-tel about five miles from Washington. Wez now three point five. Ovah." Zero Charley Hotel, National Approach. Whats your request? Washington Nashnul A-proach, Novembuh Oh-oh-oh Cholly Ho-tel is VFR, and wed lak to lan at Washington Nashnul. Ovah. Zero Hotel, say type aircraft and position. Washington Nashnul A-proach this is Novembuh Oh-oh-oh Cholly Ho- tel. Weuh a Pipuh Cherokee Six. It looks lak wez about ovah the bridge. Ovah. Piper Charley Hotel. Maintain VFR. Squawk zero four fife two and ident. ...and so on, with the Piper cluttering up the frequency with the complete tail number and message address each time. Meanwhile she descended without clearance to 1500 feet. Approach in complete exasperation, tells her her transponder is not working. She turns it from STBY to ON. She is again reporting over a bridge, and wanting landing instructions. Approach, about to leave his tree, says: Charley Hotel, we have maybe 15 bridges in the Washington area. Due to heavy traffic suggest you try Hyde Field or Washington Virginia airports. Frequency change approved. Good day." regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:23 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Jeremy: Some day I would like to do a side by side comparison with one of these super slow flying aircraft and my non-VG equipped mkIII. Might give me some idea of what I am missing, flying around in a hawg that weighs way too much. I offerred the right reverend Pike the opportunity to rub it in, the VG thing that is, doing a side by side, but he said that would not be fair. Still waiting. I don't mind getting whupped. Promise not to whine too loud if I do. john h mkIII P.P.S. The RANS S7 with VG's indicated 26 at "stall" solo.but AS indicators are pretty inaccurate that slow.although the GPS says it's real close.then again just a puff of wind at those low numbers will affect the GPS too ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:24 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly I still don't think it would be fair, but just to even the odds, maybe we could talk Travis into riding with me while we do it... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Jeremy: Some day I would like to do a side by side comparison with one of these super slow flying aircraft and my non-VG equipped mkIII. Might give me some idea of what I am missing, flying around in a hawg that weighs way too much. I offerred the right reverend Pike the opportunity to rub it in, the VG thing that is, doing a side by side, but he said that would not be fair. Still waiting. I don't mind getting whupped. Promise not to whine too loud if I do. john h mkIII P.P.S. The RANS S7 with VG's indicated 26 at "stall" solo.but AS indicators are pretty inaccurate that slow.although the GPS says it's real close.then again just a puff of wind at those low numbers will affect the GPS too ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:11 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Kolb-List: Things to see from a Kolb in the air http://picasaweb.google.com/imhisson2/BarnFire ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:38 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly John, I agree with the preacher. It would not be fair. But I'd love to give it a try with my modified Firestar. I have never had an aircraft best me yet in a slow-flight challenge except the slow Jelly Fish and I can match even some of them. Gene On Aug 18, 2007, at 4:24 PM, John Hauck wrote: > Jeremy: > > Some day I would like to do a side by side comparison with one of > these super slow flying aircraft and my non-VG equipped mkIII. > Might give me some idea of what I am missing, flying around in a > hawg that weighs way too much. > > I offerred the right reverend Pike the opportunity to rub it in, > the VG thing that is, doing a side by side, but he said that would > not be fair. Still waiting. I don't mind getting whupped. > Promise not to whine too loud if I do. > > john h > mkIII > P.P.S. The RANS S7 with VGs indicated 26 at stall solobut AS > indicators are pretty inaccurate that slowalthough the GPS says > its real closethen again just a puff of wind at those low numbers > will affect the GPS too > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:25 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Will you be there Gene? Of course, I would want Travis on the ground if I was matched against your Firestar... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Zimmerman" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly > > John, I agree with the preacher. It would not be fair. > > But I'd love to give it a try with my modified Firestar. > I have never had an aircraft best me yet in a slow-flight challenge > except the slow Jelly Fish and I can match even some of them. > > Gene > > On Aug 18, 2007, at 4:24 PM, John Hauck wrote: > >> Jeremy: >> >> Some day I would like to do a side by side comparison with one of these >> super slow flying aircraft and my non-VG equipped mkIII. Might give me >> some idea of what I am missing, flying around in a hawg that weighs way >> too much. >> >> I offerred the right reverend Pike the opportunity to rub it in, the VG >> thing that is, doing a side by side, but he said that would not be fair. >> Still waiting. I don't mind getting whupped. Promise not to whine too >> loud if I do. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> P.P.S. The RANS S7 with VGs indicated 26 at stall solobut AS >> indicators are pretty inaccurate that slowalthough the GPS says its >> real closethen again just a puff of wind at those low numbers will >> affect the GPS too >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- >> ============================================================ _- >> forums.matronics.com_- >> =========================================================== > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: P-51 crashes into P-51 ( Pictures ) From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, I just recieved an e-mail with a "power point" attachment It has a series of 16 pictures , when the P-51 landed on the other one Then flipped over and crashed.... If you want me to send it to you..... Write me ....Put "Kolb" in the subject line ... planecrazzzy@yahoo.com .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. PS I already sent it to Richard,Bob & Big Lar -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129758#129758 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:46 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: P-51 crashes into P-51 ( Pictures ) kobe ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Kolb-List: P-51 crashes into P-51 ( Pictures ) > > Hey Guys, > I just recieved an e-mail with a "power point" attachment > > It has a series of 16 pictures , when the P-51 landed on the other one > > Then flipped over and crashed.... > > If you want me to send it to you..... > > Write me ....Put "Kolb" in the subject line ... > > planecrazzzy@yahoo.com > . > . > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > . > . > PS I already sent it to Richard,Bob & Big Lar > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129758#129758 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: P-51 crashes into P-51 ( Pictures ) kobe From: "planecrazzzy" The people who wrote "ME" ,were sent the power point pictures... I tried to add your address from this site.....it wouldn't pass , even though I exchanged the "at" sign.....If you want me to send it to you.... Write me , I'll copy & paste yer address onto it... KOLB.... .. .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129771#129771 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:25 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly Richard, "Fleeting are the delights of a delusion." Me and my Firestar are both phatt What do I get if I win? :-) Gene On Aug 18, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > Will you be there Gene? > Of course, I would want Travis on the ground if I was matched > against your Firestar... > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:10 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly All the honors and privileges of an Aviation Superstar. Too bad there aren't any... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Zimmerman" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly > > Richard, > "Fleeting are the delights of a delusion." > Me and my Firestar are both phatt > What do I get if I win? :-) > > Gene > > On Aug 18, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > >> Will you be there Gene? >> Of course, I would want Travis on the ground if I was matched >> against your Firestar... >> >> Richard Pike >> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.