---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/25/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - I need a Firefly (Al Bumhoffer) 2. 05:45 AM - Re: I need a Firefly (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 06:19 AM - I need a Firefly (N27SB@aol.com) 4. 06:22 AM - Re: I need a Firefly (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 06:24 AM - Re: I need a Firefly (N27SB@aol.com) 6. 10:13 AM - Re: Firefly Landing speed (planecrazzzy) 7. 01:02 PM - Re: Firefly Landing speed (Jim ODay) 8. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: Firefly Landing speed (APilot@webtv.net) 9. 05:48 PM - Safety rings (Richard Pike) 10. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: Help to fix careless mistake (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 11. 10:14 PM - Re: Re: Help to fix careless mistake (rlhingtgen@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:34 AM PST US From: "Al Bumhoffer" Subject: Kolb-List: I need a Firefly I sold my beloved Firestar II and have started to shop for a Firefly. Does anyone on the list know of one for sale?. I would consider a stalled project, also. Thanks .. Al Bumhoffer, Planeless in Elkton, MI 989-375-2733 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:57 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I need a Firefly In a message dated 8/25/2007 7:47:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, abum@airadv.net writes: I sold my beloved Firestar II and have started to shop for a Firefly. Does anyone on the list know of one for sale?. I would consider a stalled project, also. Thanks .. Al Bumhoffer, Planeless in Elkton, MI Al, Fireflys may get a bit scarce due to demand. My FF 007 will be available as soon as my new one is complete. Remember, you can always have one built by Bryan Melborn since it is a Part 103 legal bird. steve do not archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:06 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: I need a Firefly _Click here: Search Results_ (http://barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search&PHPSESSID=81a028cde9ba54d3145ffcbc6bd765c7) Here are 2 on Barnstormers The one by Mark Anliker was built by Bryan Melborn. steve do not archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:18 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I need a Firefly _http://barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search&PHPSESSID=81a028cde9ba54d3145ffcb c6bd765c7_ (http://barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search&PHPSESSID=81a028cde9ba54d3145ffcbc6bd765c7) steve http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:45 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I need a Firefly Sorry, it just won't paste the whole address, Just type in firefly in the search engine Steve do not archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly Landing speed From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, In my Firestar II , I approach at 50 which seems fairly fast... 40 is a little tricky.....and close to loosing elevator authority on mine..... I'm going into a short field at tommorows Fly-in , I'm thinkin 45 My plane wants to glide and glide when I come in at 50 ( ground effect ) ....I have to force in down so I can use the brakes to slow down.... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN PS Fly-in Aug 26 - Wannamingo - Cherry Grove -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130978#130978 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly Landing speed From: "Jim ODay" I am learning: when I get some calm air, I think I will try to slow the short final down. I am OK at 60 for now, but it the ground does come at you in a hurry, I can get to 40 mph in about 2 seconds. Feel it down to the RW, touch down and stick it on. Seems to be working OK for me, this method with wheel landings. Just got down from a nice 1 hour flight. I seemed to be getting tossed all over the place in thermals. If I stayed low, ~ 500 agl it was smoother, but 1000 agl was like a roller coaster. First mid day flight - prior flying has been done early AM or late PM light. So I have not flown in any turbulence until today. I did think about rivets, pins, bolts, fabric ..... put my hand through the motion, ... kill switch .... BRS handle ... nothing seems to be falling apart ... calmed down and enjoyed the flying. The pelicans were cruising at 500 agl and the hawks were at 1000' today. I guess pelicans favor smoother air. I guess the technique to use is maintain the airspeed constant and let the moving air take me up and down. The ups and downs cancel each out .... Is that the Kolb way? Maybe some of you buzzards can comment. And, the video link above. I saw this before and it blew the myth that when the motor quits, you are going strait down. Till I saw that, I thought there was some truth to what some had said that the Kolb cannot glide. Thanks for posting that again. (any idea of the glide speed?) Got to mow grass now --- no more flying for me today. :( -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130990#130990 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:58 PM PST US From: APilot@webtv.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly Landing speed best glide is usually 1.3 times stall speed on most airplanes as is best rate of climb, and 1.2 is very close to minimum sink speed. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:36 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Kolb-List: Safety rings Found an alternative source for the steel safety rings that go in the end of the clevis pins we use to put our quick disconnect items together with - Hobby Lobby. The jewelry section has 16mm split rings, ten for a dollar, and they are very stiff and resistant to easy opening. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:15 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Help to fix careless mistake In a message dated 8/23/2007 10:44:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jb92563@yahoo.com writes: I read that coating a surface the rivet is in contact with before riveting is NOT an approved method for aircraft construction. For what it's worth ($0.02) L. Pazmany, a major aircraft designer, wrote in his Pazmany PL-4A Construction Manual (Ref. pg 14 item 4-2-4 Installing Pop Rivets) "Take each rivet and dip it into the Zinchromate", and then later at the end of the instruction item he adds, "When using Zinchromate or Epoxy for dipping rivets, it is unavoidable that they will find a way into the riveter, plugging it". He then goes on to explain how to clean the tool using MEK. He also has an item explaining how to clean the manufacturing oils (and finger print oils) off of the aluminum, then treating with Alodine and then applying Zinchromate, before assembly. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Help to fix careless mistake From: rlhingtgen@aol.com In practice at major aircraft manufacturing facilities, it is not uncommon to install fasteners wet with MIL-S-8802, a polysufide sealant. -----Original Message----- From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:18 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Help to fix careless mistake In a message dated 8/23/2007 10:44:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jb92563@yahoo.com writes: I read that coating a surface the rivet is in contact with before riveting is NOT an approved method for aircraft construction. ? ? For what it's worth ($0.02) ? L. Pazmany, a major aircraft designer, wrote in his Pazmany PL-4A Construction Manual (Ref. pg 14 item 4-2-4 Installing Pop Rivets) "Take each rivet and dip it into the Zinchromate", and then later at the end of the instruction item he adds,?"When using Zinchromate or Epoxy for dipping rivets, it is unavoidable that they will find a way into the riveter, plugging it".? He then goes on to explain how to clean the tool using MEK.? He also has an item explaining how to clean the manufacturing oils (and finger print oils) off of the aluminum, then treating with Alodine and then applying Zinchromate, before assembly. ? Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. 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