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1. 04:28 AM - Re: Help to fix careless mistake (planecrazzzy)
2. 09:26 AM - Cleaning before alodining and other processes (Richard Girard)
3. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Firefly Landing speed (APilot@webtv.net)
4. 11:00 AM - Name that plane!! (Mike Welch)
5. 11:27 AM - Re: Name that plane!! (Mike Welch)
6. 12:15 PM - Re: Name that plane!! (David Key)
7. 12:22 PM - Re: Name that plane!! (Mike Welch)
8. 01:14 PM - Re: Name that plane!! (grabo172)
9. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Name that plane!! (Mike Welch)
10. 02:06 PM - Re: Name that plane!! (planecrazzzy)
11. 02:18 PM - Re: Name that plane!! (Chuck Stonex)
12. 02:39 PM - Cherry Grove Fly-in (planecrazzzy)
13. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Name that plane!! (Mike Welch)
14. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Name that plane!! (Richard Girard)
15. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Name that plane!! (Mike Welch)
16. 05:53 PM - Re: Name that plane!! (planecrazzzy)
17. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Name that plane!! (Richard Girard)
18. 09:02 PM - Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? (clearprop)
19. 09:19 PM - Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? (lucien)
20. 09:27 PM - Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? (APilot@webtv.net)
21. 10:31 PM - Kolb MkIII FX (Mike Welch)
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| Subject: | Re: Help to fix careless mistake |
This is probably meant for "Steel" rivets....
and if MEK cleans the Rivet gun , What would it do to the rivets ?
MEK is a big part of the Stitts process..., seems like it would be a mess.
Stainless Steel rivets wouldn't need this....
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
> "Take each rivet and dip it into the Zinchromate", and then later at the end
of the instruction item he adds, "When using Zinchromate or Epoxy for dipping
rivets, it is unavoidable that they will find a way into the riveter, plugging
it". .
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> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Cleaning before alodining and other processes |
I discovered the best cleaner I've ever used when my arms started growing
shorter as I tried to read. In the machine shop, cutting oil would get
splashed on my glasses and then get smeared all around as I tried to clean
them with a shop rag. I tried several things, none of which worked very
well, not even the perennial aircraft windshield cleaner, Lemon Pledge.
I was at the point of buying cheap bifocals at the Dollar General store and
throwing them away when they became too scratched by my shop rag cleaning
method, when I accidentally discovered the perfect instant cleaner.
Scrubbing Bubbles bathroom cleaner.
Spray it on, let it bubble for a few seconds, then wash it off. My glasses
were as sparkling clean as the day the lenses left the molding machine.
I've been using it as a cleaner for aluminum parts prior to alodining for
the last seven years. It removes all oily contaminates, finger prints and
the denatured alcohol I use to remove the adhesive from plastic coated skin
quality aluminum sheet, effortlessly. Since the acid used to etch the
aluminum before applying the hexavalent chromium alodine solution is diluted
50% with water, I don't even bother to dry whatever water drops don't run
off. The alodined finish comes out nice and uniform that requires no extra
effort to get an equally uniform primer finish with minimal primer.
A word of caution, Scrubbing Bubbles has a warning on the back about using
it on acrylics. Strange, considering so many shower surrounds are made of
the stuff. I asked a friend, a retired college chemistry professor, about
the ingredients and the acrylic warning. He said it was mostly surfecants,
hence its ability to just float the dirt away, but couldn't see anything
that would directly attack acrylics.He could only guess that if the
chemicals were trapped against the acrylic in a seam or crack they might
create a reaction over time. I have seen no reaction around the lenses of my
glasses, but they only have a maximum life of six months in my hands, so the
test is invalid for very long term exposure. I've used it on the lexan on my
MkIII for over a year now with no visible adverse reaction, but again, the
test is of too short a duration to be any guarantee.
Worth what you paid for it.
Rick
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"Ya'll drop on in"
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when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Landing speed |
Before you get too set on an approach speed remember this: A headwind
will initiate a wind gradient. For example: a 20 mph headwind will
cause a wind gradient at about 12 feet, more or less. Therefore the
wind velocity will change from 20 mph to about 15 mph or less at 12
feet. Of course, with a 30 mph headwind the gradient will rise a little
and the difference in wind velocity will be more. What does a pilot do?
Most carry more airspeed so that they will not be stalled or near stall
speed when the descend through the gradient. Or, you can land like a
bird or a Navy pilot with a circle approach which takes you down through
through the gradient on base leg where you will not notice the hazard.
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| Subject: | Name that plane!! |
Hello all,
I recently came across this photo of a plane. Anyone care to venture a
guess as to what it is????
Thank you, Mike in SW
Utah
Oh, BTW, I DO know. Kudos to the first guy or gal that gets it right!!!
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| Subject: | Name that plane!! |
My first photo was rejected. Hope this one gets through. Mike
> Hello all,
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> I recently came across this photo of a plane. Anyone care to venture a
>guess as to what it is????
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> Thank you, Mike in SW
>Utah
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>Oh, BTW, I DO know. Kudos to the first guy or gal that gets it right!!!
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| Subject: | Name that plane!! |
Let me guess...Fergy came out with a new design!!
>From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Name that plane!!
>Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:26:47 -0700
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>My first photo was rejected. Hope this one gets through. Mike
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>> Hello all,
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>> I recently came across this photo of a plane. Anyone care to venture a
>>guess as to what it is????
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>> Thank you, Mike in SW
>>Utah
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>>Oh, BTW, I DO know. Kudos to the first guy or gal that gets it right!!!
>
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| Subject: | Name that plane!! |
Nope! Not a Fergy bone in it's body. Mike
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>From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Name that plane!!
>Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:14:20 -0500
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>Let me guess...Fergy came out with a new design!!
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>>From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Name that plane!!
>>Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:26:47 -0700
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>>My first photo was rejected. Hope this one gets through. Mike
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I recently came across this photo of a plane. Anyone care to venture a
>>>guess as to what it is????
>>>
>>> Thank you, Mike in
>>>SW Utah
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>>>Oh, BTW, I DO know. Kudos to the first guy or gal that gets it right!!!
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Name that plane!! |
mark IIIX?
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| Subject: | Re: Name that plane!! |
IN IT's DREAMS!!!
>From: "grabo172" <grabo172@sc.rr.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Name that plane!!
>Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:13:25 -0700
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| Subject: | Re: Name that plane!! |
The Only picture "I" see , is a Mark III X
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Name that plane!! |
Kolb Extra?LEBTFChuck
> From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> To: kolb-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE:
Kolb-List: Name that plane!!> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:26:47 -0700> > My f
irst photo was rejected. Hope this one gets through. Mike> > > Hello all,>
>> > I recently came across this photo of a plane. Anyone care to venture a
> >guess as to what it is????> >> > Thank you, Mike in SW > >Utah> >> >Oh,
BTW, I DO know. Kudos to the first guy or gal that gets it right!!!> > ___
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| Subject: | Cherry Grove Fly-in |
The Winds were High , not too many people flew in this year.....
Hey Ralph , You've had your plane 20 years ( Good weather Flyer ? )
Anyway , I took a couple of pictures of some of the Kolbs that "Did" fly in
One of the pictures Shows the Windsock in the background sticking
straight out....
Had a Tailwind going back ( GPS 106 GS )
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| Subject: | Re: Name that plane!! |
Nope. It is not a Kolb MkIII Xtra. Close, but no ceegar!
Mike
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>From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Name that plane!!
>Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:06:02 -0700
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| Subject: | Re: Name that plane!! |
A Mark IIIC with rhinoplasty?
Rick
On 8/26/07, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Mike
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> >From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
> >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Name that plane!!
> >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:06:02 -0700
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| Subject: | Re: Name that plane!! |
Rick nailed it. Yes, a MlII Classic doing its best imitation of an Xtra.
Rick wins a cupie doll.
This my MkIIIC well on its way to being converted to an imitation Xtra.
Some history: Our good chap Pat Ladd (of British persuation) crunched
his MkIIIX into a building, messing up the frame at the left wing mount. He
replaced his frame, and gave his old frame to John Brown. John was kind
enough to take precise measurements and photos of this stripped down frame
(the lower portion of the frame was NOT affected at all by the accident,
only the wing mount area).
I then proceeded to cut away virtually ALL of the frame from the hips
forward. Virtually NOTHING is interchangable between the two, MkIIIC to
MkIIIX. Angles are different, dimensions are different. Actually, nothing
is the same. But, with essentially a set of plans I reconstructed the
entire front end, including adjustable rudder pedals, elevator trim, etc. I
then made the NEW side swinging doors. The front end where the nosecone
mounts came out so EXACT, that I could have used a stock nosecone!! Wished
I had, too. I fabricated the nosecone that you see, and it was a Lot of
work!! (But, seeing as how I am between careers, I have more time than
money.)
Now, I know it is NOT a true Xtra. But, when I am finished you'd be hard
pressed to tell the difference!!! There WILL be subtle differences, but
they will be just that, subtle!! I got my chrome moly tubing from A/C
Spruce, used oxy/acetelene & TIG for the welds, and shaped the nosecone from
urathane carving foam, and then glassed over the final shape.
Left to go: A) I have to finish the nosecone fiberglass.
B) Finsih the doors, to contour to new widened shoulder
posts. At first, I was going to leave this place alone, but a true Xtra is
quite a bit different here(than a M3C), so I decided to come closer to the
Xtra shape even at this location. I am leaving the original posts, for
strength, and adding a couple of tubes for a more modern appearance.
C) Clean and prep the fuselage, and then repaint the
fuselage. And then recover the new frame.
At this point, I would say I am about 90% finished toward the MkIIIC to
MkIIIX conversion. The frame portion is virtually completed. Brakes
reserviors, and pedals installed, rudder and trim linkages hooked up, doors
done, except for minor change,
Oh, and I decided to stay with my DOOR MOUNTED THROTTLE, similar to what I
had before the changes.
This may not be for you, but I am doing it MY way~~~!!! Mike
in SW Utah
PS. Little pieces of yellow string indicate a fully welded, inspected
joint. Kind of like a checklist....after inspecting a joint, and it looks
good, it gets string. If it doesn't have string, I can't verify it is
finished, yet!
>From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Name that plane!!
>Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:37:59 -0500
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>A Mark IIIC with rhinoplasty?
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>Rick
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>On 8/26/07, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Nope. It is not a Kolb MkIII Xtra. Close, but no ceegar!
> > Mike
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> > >From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
> > >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Name that plane!!
> > >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:06:02 -0700
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| Subject: | Re: Name that plane!! |
Most of us have a "reason" behind naming our planes....
My plane is "Miss Lucky Stars" , because , When I'm flying
I'm Thanking my "Lucky Stars"
This conversion should "inspire" some kind of name...( Classix ? )
Anywho, Let us know if you already have a name in mind.....
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| Subject: | Re: Name that plane!! |
Cyrano
Rick
On 8/26/07, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Most of us have a "reason" behind naming our planes....
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> My plane is "Miss Lucky Stars" , because , When I'm flying
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> This conversion should "inspire" some kind of name...( Classix ? )
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> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? |
I'm trying to figure out how to get instruction in a Kolb aircraft. No one seems
to have one for instructional use. Ideally I'm trying to fly a Firestar. I read
in one of the threads here that the J3 Cub has similar flying characteristics
as the Kolb. Any truth to this? There is a fellow in town who gives dual instruction
in his Cub. I guess if I can master the J3 Cub I can fly a Kolb???
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? |
clearprop wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out how to get instruction in a Kolb aircraft. No one seems
to have one for instructional use. Ideally I'm trying to fly a Firestar. I
read in one of the threads here that the J3 Cub has similar flying characteristics
as the Kolb. Any truth to this? There is a fellow in town who gives dual
instruction in his Cub. I guess if I can master the J3 Cub I can fly a Kolb???
Possibly, but even the cub will probably still handle like an airliner compared
to the Firestar ;)
Seriously, I don't know as I've never flown in a cub. But I can say my FS II flies
most like my old quicksilver than anything else I've flown. Basically once
I got used to the tailwheel handling on the ground, I more or less jumped in
it and went flying due to its similarity to the quicksilver.
The biggest problem will be the flare. Kolbs are like most UL-like planes; they
roundout and flare a lot lower to the ground than the average front-engined tractor.
They're much lower inertia as well, so the energy budget is very different
than in bigger planes.
My original UL instructor had about 1000 hours in a cub and, while he said it flew
somewhat like an ultralight, it wasn't quite the same.....
So I'd keep looking around until you find an actual Kolb to train in....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? |
The Century of Fllight simulator's J-3 Cub is almost exactly comparable
to my Mark III Classic in speed, rate of climb, glide and wheel
landings. It does not do slips like my Classic and the full stall
landings do not bend the gear. It is good practice and a whole lot
cheaper than renting a J-3. In the beginning, I taxied mine about 6
hours over the roughest terrain that I could find to see what was going
to fall off of the engine. It was a good thing to do because a couple
things did break under vibration. During that time, I got very familiar
with ground handling, including forced ground loops. Once relaxed and
in control, the flying part is easy. And the landing part is easy when a
wheel landing is used using a touch down speed which is the same as a
high speed taxi speed.
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Mike,
I do think you have a good idea regarding naming my new creation, and,
although I DO think "Classix" is rather clever, it will by far, more
resemble an Xtra, than a Classic. It is with that thought in mind that I
have decided to personally refer to it as a "Kolb MkIII FX". "F" refering
to fake.
Now, I realize others name their planes with a more affectionate tone, and
I may do that, too, later, but for now I will just stick to a new model
designation.
Mike in SW Utah
What?? No questions about my door mounted throttle??
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Name that plane!!
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>Most of us have a "reason" behind naming our planes....
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> My plane is "Miss Lucky Stars" , because , When I'm flying
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> I'm Thanking my "Lucky Stars"
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> This conversion should "inspire" some kind of name...( Classix ? )
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> Anywho, Let us know if you already have a name in mind.....
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>Gotta Fly...
>Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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